like a place that matched my politics and my history. >> okay because like you know, john brown gun club, john brown was certainly not right wing was we find now. all right. let talk about john brown. he was a 19th century abolishist who decided to take out an armory with 21 of his friends. needless to say, it didn't go well. he tried to get more people to go with him, but even hair yet tubman was like, i'm good on that. but good luck in heaven. but his example continues to resonate with many white activists today. what member of the club were you? >> 11 or 12. i joined about a year ago. i'm a semiobservant jew, and seeing the violence in charlottesville made me want to do something.