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Confrontation with a homeowner during which shots were fired. Kim jongun has arrived in russia. We are waiting to see where and when he meets with Vladimir Putin to discuss a potential arms deal. The war on ukraine. And who. Weighing in on the trump indictments. He says it shows the u. S. Political system is rotten. Congress is back. Speaker Kevin Mccarthy has his work cut out for him. He is juggling a potential Government Shutdown and pressure from the hard right to impeach President Biden. And after all the hype, quarterback Aaron Rodgers debut with the New York Jets lasted less than five minutes. Cnn this morning starts right now. Here is where we begin. Scary developments in this ongoing manhunt for an escaped murderer in pennsylvania. Sources tell kyw that a man matching Danelo Cavalcantes description stole a rifle with a scope in a violent confrontation with a homeowner last night. That homeowner opened fire but its not known if the fugitive was hit. Police rushed to the area. Its about 20 miles north of the prison where he escaped. People in the area were warned to lock their doors and stay inside. Local School District is closed today. We are expecting a Police News Conference in over an hour from now. Joining us is scott duffey, a retired fbi special agent. He was involved in an 18day manhunt for convicted killer who escaped a Pennsylvania Prison back in 1999. I appreciate your time. Im trying to get a sense the suspect now armed with a weapon. How does that change the dynamic for Law Enforcement . So that changes everything. Good morning to both of you, phil and poppy. So what we had before, and it lasted about 11 days, was a dragnet. So he escaped prison. He didnt get very far. Got into a wooded area in that Chester County route 152, longwood gardens, a very different difficult terrain for Law Enforcement to get eyes on him, right. Other than these trail cams that were popping up and giving Law Enforcement indication that he was still in perimeter. And then after about 11, 12 days, he breaks that perimeter. Its not shocking. Its disappointing. But it is part of the fugitive game where, you know, its a catandmouse game. So the chase is on. You led a manhunt for a murderer in the same state . 99. You guys got him after 18 days. Are the circumstances in this case now harder . I would say the circumstances are harder for the fact of the recent developments as of last night to early this morning, is that he stole a gun. So 1999, so were looking at two very similar individuals, right. Both escaped convicts. They both were charged and convicted of murder. And so that is the worst of the worst. So they escaped. Norman escaped and stole a car and made his way back to his home territory, which was Chester County, and bouncing between three states, stealing one car to the next. Its not known what his goal was necessarily. There were some talks about him trying to find some treasure, something that might have been buried from their time as the johnston gang. But this guy, danelo, were trying to figure out his game plan. He escaped. He, obviously, is trying to figure out where he is going to go. The predictable behavior was predicted in the sense that what did he do when he scaped the perimeter . He went to a territory that he is known with. I am a little bit surprised that he hasnt kept making that trek, wherever he is going to go. And so i thought it was going to be the dragnet. Then he broke free. So now Law Enforcement pulls back and an investigation takes place where they pretty much go to family, friends, associates, known locations, whatever he was doing in the short time he was in the Chester County prison, whoever weihe was communicating with would be things Law Enforcement would be look at. If the reports are true he obtained a gun, its an absolute different game. There is a fight. There is flight. He did the flight. Now it looks like he is trying to put up a fight. This does change the way things are happening. The idea of a game plan, do you think he has one . The movements seem to have been kind of divergent. Do you think he has a game plan here . He was a shortterm game plan. He succeeded in his 12 days within that perimeter that was always changing. Law enforcement is on top of this. But we are talking about trees and grass and unlocked doors that are unending. And so he has a game plan, and that game plan is to stay out. And so when you have that shortest day shortterm game plan and now getting a gun, whatever he believed was a way to continue to escape Law Enforcement, but now breaking into a house or a shed are wherever he got this gun and arming himself, its it appears to me that his game plan is now to fight. And whatever that fight is going to be, Law Enforcement is going to bring that fight to him. Well, scott duffey, as a former fbi agent, appreciate your he caexpertise. New pictures out of massachusetts. Heavy rain triggered this intense Flash Flooding you are seeing in parts of the state overnight. Left drivers trapped in vehicles, entire roads impassable in some areas. Officials say 11 inches of rain fell in some parts of that state. Wow. You know what . They have approached 30 inches of rain since june 1. So very, very wet summer. That really saturated the ground and then they get another 7 inches from this month and within the past day another 5. That set the scene for flooding. This is what was really the peak of the Rainfall Event in massachusetts in Worcester County. The storm system responsible is exiting the new england coastline. We are in a bit of a break. Look at this. This is yet another cold front thats going to bring more rainfall to the area tomorrow. The potential for Flash Flooding exists there. Fitchburg, massachusetts, in a onehour period, 3 inches of rain. The storm total higher than that, exceeding a half a foot, even nine inches in some locations. You can see rainfall totals. The good news is the Flash Flood Emergency that was in place across Worcester County expired 8 00 a. M. Local time. We have a Flood Warning in effect, the resulting effects from the ongoing rain that has taken place overnight. That has come to an end. This is the break. Again additional rainfall in store with a cold front approaching from the west. There is our Flash Flood Threat for the day tomorrow. And then, poppy and phil, we need to focus on whats going to happen to lee. Will that bring rainfall to massachusetts . Potentially new england . Still a little too early to tell. We are monitoring to closely. Thank you. This just in. A source telling cnn House Speaker Kevin Mccarthy expected to meet with House Republicans this week to make a forceful pitch that oechg an Impeachment Inquiry is the next step. Hard line conservatives have been fighting to open a probe into President Biden. Lauren fox joins us now. This development seems like everything has been headed this direction. Now it seems like they are here. What happens next . Yeah, House Speaker Kevin Mccarthy seems to be leaning more and more into this idea of opening an Impeachment Inquiry and later this week he is going to make that pitch to his conference in a private Conference Meeting where they are going to discuss the updates on their investigations thus far into President Biden and his son hunter biden. Like you noted, the votes likely are not there now to open an Impeachment Inquiry. While you dont have to put this on the floor of the house for a vote to formally launch the inquiry. That is the expectation that Kevin Mccarthy wants that to show republican unity. There is work left to do on that front. That is just one of the fights that are looming right now, phil, in the House Of Representatives. Of course, right now all eyes on whether or not the house is going to be able to coalesce to keep the government funded past the september 30 deadline. Thats the other fight Kevin Mccarthy will be having with the conference. They are going to get back to washington today. They will have a vote on the floor at 6 30. As Leadership Aides have been telling me, the hope is once members come back to washington, once they feel the urgency of that deadline approaching them be able to come up with a plan to keep the government funded. Whatever they come up with in the House Of Representatives has to get in the house of senate and they are unified when it comes to the appropriations process. They have a plan moving forward. So its going to be different for mccarthy, if he cant get republican unity, to move anything in his conference without getting republicans in the house and senate onboard. Phil. Yeah, 18 days. No House Republican Spending Bills through the house floor and we are in the closeddoor meetings phase. Everything is going great. Appreciate the reporting. Thank you. Right now kim jongun on the move inside of russia. Am he is on his way to meet with Vladimir Putin. We are learning new details about this highstakes meeting. What putin just said about the legal cases against former president trump. We are lucky to be joined in studio by christiane amanpour. Thats next. Just the three of us girls. I never thought twice about feeding her kibble. But about two years ago, i realized she was overweight. She was always out of breath. Thats when i decided to introduce the farmers dog to her diet. Its just so fresh that she literally gets bubbles in her mouth. Now shes a lot more active, shes able to join us on our adventures. And were all able to do things as a family. Get started at betterforthem. Com bobby my store and my Design Business . Were exploding. 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What is your read on the dynamics of russia, china, north korea, at the moment . I have been talking to officials, american officials, the u. S. Ambassador to japan, rahm emmanuel. His first commentary is, if Vladimir Putin seeks to rebuild the imperialist negotiation of a Russian Empire by reaching out to russia and iran, that signals weakness by Vladimir Putin and russia. North korea is a pariah state. Its been under sanctions for years and years and years. At the very most, it has ammunition to give to russia or whatever. Nobody believes that what it gives to russia, if it does, will dramatically affect the status quo on the battlefield in ukraine. It also points out how stretched russia is, that it would need to reach out in that kind of way. Obviously, north korea is probably the one coming tin in hand for whatever it can get from russia. What you have is a group of countries, iran as well, russia trying to get Drone Technology and the like, that russia is having to rely on. All of which are under sanctions. Any such deals would be a violation of International Law and south korea, u. S. Ally, big power in the regional, called on respect to respect and acknowledge and behave responsibly under the International Rules of the road. While the white house said, the National Security advisor, that north korea will, quote, pay a price if this moves forward, you tilt your head. The question is does the u. S. , does the west really have any power over either of these countries in this . I mean, sanctions, sanctions and more sanctions. There are so many already. That is true. The more they isolate them, they think they can keep them at bay. Certainly the strategy right now in that region, you put russia to a little bit to one side, is to not contain as President Biden said, but to try to, you know, build a deterrence against china and any, you know, adventures that china might want to play. All off this plays into the w bigger China Situation as well. It goes to show that russia is kind of desperate. You have done so reporting on how the world is viewing this moment in the United States. I want to play something that president Vladimir Putin said this morning. Take a listen. Translator all that is happening with trump is a persecution of a political rival for political reasons and this is done in front of public of the United States and the whole world. Russia meddling in u. S. Affairs is not new. I was kind of saying the quiet part outloud. I would say he would say that, wouldnt he . Trump considered a friend of Vladimir Putin. He said it himself. He showered positive praise on Vladimir Putin, the strong man. Positive praise on kim jongun, if you remember, going to meet him twice. I covered both of those meetings. Nothing came of it. And nothing has come of trumps soc socalled friendship with Vladimir Putin. More challenge to the United States and to the International World order. Having said that, Vladimir Putin, iran, north korea, the lot, would probably absolutely prefer all the dictators and pariahs of the world will prefer to see a nondemocratic with a small d, authoritarian figure back in power in the white house because they think thats better for them and they are confronted now with a very stiff challenge to propping up democracy around the world and trying to, you know, push Back Authoritarianism under the would and the coalition he managed to get through and staying strong over ukraine. There is a development this morning in this u. S. Effort to get Five Americans released from prison in iran. This is about a waiver to banks, to release 6 billion of iranian money to banks in qatar. With some restrictions. Its a development the right is criticizing but necessary to get them out . First, i want to say this your interview, too. Yes. Firstly, the right, whoever you say are criticizing, have gone into these deals before. President trump himself has released iranian prisoners in iranian prisoners in a swap to get americans out of iran. There has been iranian money given back in the past. Iranian money in order to get americans who are wrongly detained back to their families. What this one is about, and i have been reporting this for a while when i got that interviewed with the longest held american iranian in prison, the most extraordinary interview that i have ever conducted. Its never happened before. It was so utterly compelling, so sad, this american had been held for 8 1 2 years in an iranian jail just for being american. And so, yes, this is iranian money, not american taxpayer money. That south korea, not america, south korea owes to iran for oil that south korea bought from iran. That the United States then stopped the transaction because of the sanctions. Now they want to get their people back, rightly so, their five iranians, who have been released from the jail, who are under house arrest in tehran waiting for this final piece of the deal. Hopefully, they will be able to come back soon and that involves qatar sending a plane, getting it them out of iran, taking them to qatar, back to the u. S. , and this is the last apparently, you know, stumbling block, the idea of getting waivers, because iran is so heavily sanctioned it cant even get its own money back. Its really your interview with him pushing this forward and you have kept this issue and voices at the fore, which is so much of what you have done for this network for 40 years. 40 years 40 years. Extraordinary for you to say that was one of the most extraordinary interviews. You know, the notorious gulag to could you step back . I learned about Tv Journalism watching you in the balkans. I thought that was normal. It was not. It was extraordinary. The 40 years. What stands out to you . 40 years ago, i was a desk assistant. I joined cnn, you know, out of college practically and went there. But i really new this was the kind of reporting i wanted to do. I went with a mission to abforeign correspondent, you know, go to the worlds crises and try to explain them to people, make them relevant to the American People and the rest of our global audience. On the one hand, its a massive adventure. On the other hand, a huge responsibility given cnns massive and important platform and reach. But i feel that, you know, its a cliche, but you really do have to shine that light in places where many dont go. Iran has always been a pariah. Im half iranian. Since i started work, i sort of had to juggle and straddle this position, having empathy for those who are victims of that regime, including wrongfully detained americans, and so when i got the chance, for instance, to interview siamak. I did not know what the con fence to him would be. What would the consequence be to him . Nobody has ever done that before. Called out he phone privileges by vir u of being there for 8 1 2 years. He moved from, you know, Harsh Solitary Confinement into a more, well, less harsh, and with the other fellow americans. But as you said, the balkans, that taught me what it means to tell the truth, that in the balkans, when there was a clear aggressor the searchian regime, a victim, the bosnian state that declared independence, it is the first War In Europe since world war ii. Not ukraine, russia there were war crimes. I learned to be truthful, not neutral. Thats what i want to end with. Your words have changed so much. Well, you know, you cant draw false moral equivalents when it doesnt exist. Thats not the truth. Thats a lie. I am really, really, you know, learned my lesson the hard way and i wont let it. Go. We celebrate you and admire you. Thank you. Starting today, what is considered to be the biggest Antitrust Deal Trial in decades. 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Injuries among them spiked last year, according to Occupational Safety and Health Administration data reported by the wall street journal. Went up to this level. Reporter this is what is left of an on the job injury that earnest says could have been much worse. He works at Washington Dulles as a ramp agent for contractor swiss port. In february, he was taking bags by hand from a flight when he slipped. His left leg stuck between the body of the airplane and a baggage loader. When i pulled my leg out, i sat on the box for about four to five minutes and it was just my leg was burning. Reporter swiss port says the health and safety of employees is the highest property and it fully supplies with applicable labor regulations. The number of on the job injuries declined in 2021 when travel cratered. But injuries quickly returned to and exceeded prepandemic levels. Just last week, Massachusetts State Police say a Forklift Operator at boston logan was pinned by a metal beam and killed while servicing a jetblue flight. It is absolutely essential that as we move forward that we bring these workers out from the shadows. Reporter u. S. Senator ed markey, democrat from massachusetts, says the legislation to improve Airport Service worker pay will lead to less turnover and safer conditions. The higher the morale, the Safety Standards will be maintained at the highest possible level. Reporter airlines have added employees since the pandemic downturn, but Safety Experts say there is intense pressure on are contractors to quickly Service Aircraft with limited staffing. I think you need more oversight. You need heftier fines. You need a recommitment on the part of the air carriers to treat these people fairly. Reporter is it getting less safe . Yes, because people keep on doing one person does a job of three people. Reporter he is still working for swiss port, but on light duty. He thinks new protections for workers like him will be a heavy lift p but it could save lives. If things were done the proper way, i think people wouldnt be injured. We are finding out more about the conditions. In arizona, about a dozen of them filed a labor complaint. They say they are forced to work on hot planes, often without airconditioning, and sometimes without water. This as the faa just put out a safety bulletin reminding airlines to be extra vigilant after these recent incidents. Thank you. This morning the Justice Department and google set to face off in an historic trial. Its considered to be the biggest Antitrust Case in decades and could have major implication. It folks on goougs search engine. According to the Justice Department, 9 of all searches start with google. Doj alleges that they have stifled competition and harmed consumers by paying billions of dollars to device manufacturingers to be tdefault engine. Google maintains, people dont use google because they have to. They use because they want to. Joining us is sara fischer, Senior Media Reporter at axios. Im fascinated by this case because its been so long since we have seen something this big and the Biden Administration has made that type of thin a focal point of their antitrust agenda, anticompetitive agenda, but this is is the biggest test by far they have had. Absolutely. And the thing to remember, phil, this isnt the only lawsuit that google is facing from the doj. You will recall they sued google this year for ad tech dominance. These lawsuits will play off of each other. If they go down if one, its possible they could go down in another. We have not seen the u. S. Government go after a Big Tech Company like this since microsoft in the late 1990s. And by the way, the Ripple Effect of that was huge. The only reason google was able to become the behemoth it was today because the doj imposed strict penalties, some appealed, but that forced microsoft to lose a lot of momentum to google on things like search and browser. Today they are still fighting to catch up. Yeah, that was 1998, and it was because of the court ruled against microsoft in their Anticompetitive Practices using Monopoly Power against net scape. Remember that . But these things scheme a little bit different this time around, sara. I wonder if you think google, u. S. V. Are google will go the way u. S. V microsoft went. We dont expect google to be broken up. Likely, some sort of settlement with a payment or a remedy that they have to change that are practices in some way. The reason is, poppy, this is not the same structure when the doj went after microsoft. If you look at the search ad market, even though google is dominant in search browser usage, the market has become a little bit more competitive. Think about apple into search advertising,zon has a huge business. Eu is trying to get back into it. Tiktok, social media firms. So it is a very different landscape. I do expect there to be for google but not breakup. I want to note that their defense is people use google because they want to, not because they have to. It will be interesting to see. Absolutely. Sara fischer, i want to get to the Charter Cable agreement. I think we need more time to talk about that. So i will say please come back tomorrow because we are out of time. But this deal and ramifications and repercussions going forward, we have to dig into this. Appreciate your time. We will get into that later this week. Thank you. Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers carted off the field with an injury minutes into the game. What it means for the season. Bob costas joins us next. 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The jets coach said he believes that rodgers suffered an Achilles Injury and its, quote, not good. Joining us is cnn contributor bob costas. Bob, i think everybody had a hard time with this, jets fans or not. I knew the extent to which this kind of spread when my wife texted me this morning and said i am sad about Aaron Rodgers. Explain this moment and kind of whatever it means. Well, you know, long suffering really does sum it up. The jets have only been to the super bowl once. They won in january of 1969. Their quarterback was one of the most glamorous people in all of sports, broadway joe name ath. He is 80. In most of the years since, they didnt come close to the super bowl. They have a good defense. They were disappointed in the number one draft choice a couple years ago, zach wilson. So they go get Aaron Rodgers. Truly one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. And that electrified their entire offseason. He is a tremendous presence. They are going to be terrific this year. Thats what everybody thinks. Then on the fourth play of the game he suffers an injury. Glass were negative but they are almost certain an mri, which will happen later today, later this morning, will confirm that he has a torn achilles, which means that he is out for the entire teenager. Bestcase scenario, slim chance, an ankle sprain and then hed still miss several games. The irony of this, if there is one, and as joe buck put it, who had the call last night on espn, he said this is the definition of a victory that comes at an almost unacceptable cost, and who is the hero at the end of the game . In contrast to Aaron Rodgers, a marquee name, xavier gibson, who played college ball in texas, wasnt even drafted at all. Signed as a free agent. It was a big deal on the hbo show hard knocks when they told him he made the team. He is a Cinderella Story. So the big glamour guy is out and the Cinderella Story wins the game. Momentarily, there is jubilation in jet land. But there is a lot of apprehension about what happens next. Totally. Just thinking about all the folks who didnt draft him, what they are thinking this morning. Bob, achilles tear, if its that i have been informed those who know more about this than i, some basketball players, kobe came back after that. Have any professional Football Players come back after that at full strength . Some. I dont know what the percentage is, injury and then among those who sustained that injury, how many came back to play well. But i think that its possible. A Football Player is different than a basketball player. There is a lot more up and down for a guy like the late great kobe bryant than there would be for Aaron Rodgers. But you have push off to have authority in your throws. There is a Question Mark hanging over Aaron Rodgers. Bob, i have to ask because there were of the formulation of 7,000 different memes of tom brady and jets uniforms last night. They were going through social media. We saw them back in the Patriots Jersey to be honored at the stadium. What are we thinking . Is it possible . I guess nothing is impossible, but tom has flatly said that itch to play, which got the better of him a couple of times, has gone away. He said a couple of days ago, looks like he is in shape for a normal human, but he says he is not in game shape. Thats the natural place people think because other than president ial campaign, who has been out a longer period of time, who would match the glamour and resume of Aaron Rodgers other than tom brady . Did john put you up to that, phil . Jtds thank you, my friend. Thanks. All right. Covid regulations becoming a big Talking Point among some republicans heading into 2024. New reporting on that ahead. And this 13day manhunt in pennsylvania. Police now say the escaped murderer is armed after reports of a violent confrontation with a homeowner. We are awaiting a News Conference in next hour. Stay with us. Well be right back. 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I can tell you in florida, we did not and we will not allow the dystopian visions of paranoid hyper conned racks control our health policies, let alone our state. Joining us from the washington post, joyce i want to start with you. You have some new reporting on this, about a focus group that you had access to. Republicans going its really interesting because we have seen isolated examples of some of these Covid Restrictions coming back, but thats the keyword there, isolated, but i think that they viewed the last Covid Pandemic as ultimately positive for them because so many people were frustrated with the lockdowns, and so this time around this was a Breaking Point Focus Group that was commissioned by the political podcast breaking points and this time around theyre bringing it back because so many voters are fearful that theyre going to fall back into the 2020 Covid Pandemic lockdowns. Now, what i found really interesting about this focus group was five out of eight believed that there was something called a plan demic which was an unfounded claim that Covid Lockdowns are connected to democratic attempts to rig the election and despite that trump still came out on top, which indicates to me that, you know, the ron desantis his major thing has been Covid Lockdowns, you knew, i did x, y, z when i was governor so ive proven leadership. Thats not really resonating with them. They still think trump is best to handle an alleged plandemic which there is no evidence that is going on. The president in 2020 when the lockdowns who was that again . It was donald trump. Thats fascinating. I dont understand it. Its just like the disconnect of it i dont get t he can just say things, no one cares about reality sometimes. Why are you staring at me like that . Im just listening and learning. One thing we did see in the courts when it came to Covid Restrictions, Vaccine Mandates and Mask Restrictions they get struck down consistently by the courts. Especially this court. The Supreme Court but also the intermediate courts really low success rate. Its interesting to hear. I honestly didnt realize that restrictions were starting tomorrow could back. Are we going to see people challenging them again and if so i think they will have success. But are they . This isnt some widespread severity you see a couple School Districts here and there, clarify this for me if im wrong, joyce you know as well, this isnt some widespread effort, i havent heard anything from Biden Administration officials about a sweeping effort. It is not a widespread effort, there are isolated efforts, thats what these 2024 republican candidates are talking about on the trail, they are using isolated incidents and suggesting however indirectly that we will not go back to major lockdowns. You still are hearing from voters on the trail like when im out in iowa talking to voters. Desantis supporters that ive spoken to do use this as a reason why they are supporting him, you know, the way that he handled the Covid Pandemic in florida is something that they approve of and would like to see him in leadership. We talk about joe manchin, erin did a great interview with joe manchin last night and i just want to play part of that and get your take. Here it is. My state of West Virginia, filing dates dont even start until january of next year so theres no urgency for me. Ive got so much to do in front of me right now to get done and to prevent bad things from happening and once you become an announced candidate for anything you become a target. I might be a suspected target now in so many different arenas but still yet i have the ability to sit down with my democrat and republican friends and not be a threat to either one of them. Her question obviously was are you going to run on the no labels thirdparty ticket or a thirdparty ticket. He has been such a thorn on the side of the Biden Administration on a number of issues and that interview just left it was so illuminating because it was like he might do this. What do you think . Its interesting when you look at this from both sides of the issue. So you hear democrat and republican senators saying this could be bad for biden if he runs because, you know, they are both democrats, he would be running against the incumbent technically, but then on the other side, i mean, no democrat in the senate has aligned himself more closely with trump during the trump administration, voting with him on issues and legislation that trump championed and really wanted to get across the finish line and so theres a lot of crossover there with trump voters and what could be manchin supporters. Now, locally in West Virginia there obviously are both very popular politicians, but and this is also one of the things that were seeing in the president ial race with desantis is like if you are popular within your state that doesnt necessarily mean that youre going to be popular nationally. Thats a big question. It could shake things up in the general. Joyce, can i ask you about Tommy Tuberville the alabama senator, republican, has long had a hold or has been locking up the senate by requiring to go through the entire senate process, im not going to go through the procedural can we please . We dont have that much time left. You go through august, he comes back, has not budgeted at all, has made clear to not just democrats but republican colleagues not moving at all. How does this end at this point . I mean, this is why people are frustrated with washington. One senator can hold up 300 plus nominations and by the end of the year it could be double that, up to 850 nominations. These are top generals and admirals in the military across every single Defense Department division, army, marines, air force each branch. Each branch, yes. How does it end . I mean, the option is either he lifts his hold or what the Armed Services chair has said is that it would take 84 days to get through every single nomination if they were to vote on each individual person which just does not seem like a likely or efficient use of time. There are no legal pathways to press him. This is about right. The rules of the senate. Its all political power. In other nonmilitary settings the president could appoint acting. Weve seen acting ags, i believe its different. You all would know best. You cant have acting. Its why there are four chiefs that are currently unfilled, its an open question and one that i think even Tommy Tuberville doesnt have the answer to. He thinks he could extend in perpetuity. Until manu told him he cant. 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