that's all the time we have. i hand it over to don lemon. 360 will be back tomorrow. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. the magnitude of this day is unbelievable. it is historic. it is a moment when our country is on the brink. on the brink of what could turn into a constitutional crisis and potentially on the brink of military acts in syria. a furious president trump surrounded by grim-faced military leaders in what was planned to be a meeting of syria, his arms folded, blasted the fbi raid today on his personal attorney michael cohen. >> i just heard that they broke into the office of one of my personal attorneys, good man,
and it's a disgraceful situation. it's a total witch hunt. i've been saying it for a long time. i've wanted to keep it down. we've given, i believe, over a million pages' worth of documents to the special counsel. >> so let me be absolutely clear about this. the president is absolutely wrong. nobody broke into michael cohen's office. and nobody, not even the president, is above the law. a dozen fbi agents armed with search warrants legally seized documents from cohen's office, his hotel room, and reportedly his home. a source telling cnn those documents are related to stormy daniels. another source telling cnn the search warrant was very broad and included bank records. but ominously, president trump views this as an attack on him and on the country. sources telling cnn tonight that the cohen raid sent the president over the edge, because his attorney is like a surrogate
family member. >> it's a disgrace. it's frankly a real disgrace. it's an attack on our country and it's an attack on what we all stand for. so when i saw this and when i heard it, i heard it like you did. i said, that is really now on a whole new level of unfairness. >> so he believes it's unfair and it's an attack on him. and he believes it's politically motivated. never mind that these are the facts. it's his own hand-picked deputy attorney general overseeing the mueller investigation. and today's raid was authorized by the u.s. attorney in manhattan who was hand-picked by guess who? president trump. >> they found no collusion whatsoever with russia. the reason they found it is there was no collusion at all. no collusion. this is the most biased group of
people. these people have the biggest conflicts of interest i've ever seen. democrats all, just about all, the democrats are a couple republicans that worked for president obama. >> do you see the body language there? the mueller investigation is not over. so the president is wrong, wrong when he claims they found no collusion. and the fact is, robert mueller is a republican. but sources warn the president's anger could lead to him firing mueller. >> why don't i just fire mueller? >> yes, fire the guy. >> well, i think it's a disgrace what's going on. we'll see what happens, but i think it's a really sad situation when you look at what happened. many people have said, you should fire him. again, they found nothing. and in finding nothing, that's a big statement. >> remember the investigation is not over yet. they haven't found nothing. and it's not just mueller who could be on the president's
austin, you heard the president. he is angry. cnn is reporting the raids on michael cohen's office, reporting a raid on one of his homes as well. at least a dozen fbi agents involved. this is aggressive. >> it's aggressive, but i think we need to be clear about what was going on here. this would have been executed pursuant to a search warrant, which means that the fbi obtained permission from a judge to enter these facilities. they would have had to show probable cause that in these locations and in specified places, documents, devices, they were going to find evidence of a crime. and a judge would have had to agree to that in order for them to do it. this was -- i think calling it a break-in is really characterizing this as something that it's not. and the crimes here apparently
are related to bank fraud, which is obtaining money through illegal means from a financial institution, and potentially campaign finance violations, likely contributions that would have been disclosed as required by law. >> let's talk a little more about that, because our gloria borger is reporting that the search warrant was related to stormy daniels, and search warrant was very broad in terms of items sought and the search included bank records. why do a raid like this instead of calling up michael cohen's attorney and saying, we need you to turn everything over? >> i think there is a false assumption that everything is handled, when you're talking about courts of law with gentlemen's agreements saying, why don't you fight this in a court of law? they may not be comprehensively
giving you everything you need, so you have the right to get a search warrant, especially since there could be something fleetingly going away, like certain documents. don't confuse the two investigations. this was a referral by special counsel mueller handed over to an independent u.s. attorney who is of manhattan, somebody who was chosen by the president. the president actually had a hand of interviewing, much to the chagrin of many people, who replaced the people he fired just last year. the reason that's significant here is that there is an illusion that somehow mueller has been orchestrating this entire thing. what happened is a referral meaning, i may have seen something. this may interest you. it is not within my particular mandate. if you would like to, or you feel so desired to do so, please investigate it. it was not a mandate for the sdny u.s. attorney to do
anything about it. it showed an exercise of prosecutorial discretion, and backed up by more than just mueller. a magistrate and the sdny attorney. so the president has conflated the term to be a witch hunt to include these two things that are quite distinct. >> quick question before i go to michael. the attorney-client privilege, does it apply here or not apply here, laura? >> we have to see, because every communication between michael cohen and donald trump did not necessarily fall under privilege. it would have to be counsel sought him on legal advice. if someone was in the room on a communication, cc in some way, it would not apply. and if the communication between the attorney and the client was somehow in furtherance of a crime, then poof, it goes away, would not be honored. this is not up to mueller, this is up to a court of law to decide. >> michael, you've worked with mueller, correct? >> yeah. >> i've got a couple questions for you here.
the first one is why would the southern district of new york be investigating or looking into possible election crimes? >> because it's a crime to willfully violate the federal election laws. and they were given a referral, it appears, from mueller to say that this may be ongoing and worth your inquiry. we don't know also, though, whether or not this pre exists mueller's investigation. it could well be that the stormy daniels aspect of this is one aspect. there may be other women similarly situated or other people similarly situated that the investigation was ongoing, just like we had in flynn, where it was ongoing when mueller stepped into it. he found something additional. it was related. he passed it on. the rule of law was upheld and the process was adhered to. and so that's what prosecutors do. they look at crime and make prosecutorial decisions about whether it's worth prosecuting.
>> and mueller can't -- if he finds something that looks like a crime or something unusual, he just can't ignore it, right? >> that's right. and if the reporting is accurate and it's early and we have to be very careful to not be, you know, too far ahead of ourselves, but if mueller came across something he thought needed a criminal investigation and worthy of inquiry and it's outside his mandate, then he is to go to rosenstein. rosenstein then makes the decision whether to leave it with mueller and expand the mandate, or take other action as appropriate. it appears from the reporting that he felt other action is appropriate, was the appropriate step to take, and he gave it to new york. >> then what laura said, because she said don't conflate or confuse the two. these are different investigations. this raid was actually referred, as we said, by mueller to the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. then on top of that was authorized by the u.s. attorney in manhattan, jeffrey or jeff
b b berman, who is the president's own pick for that office. so the idea that this is a witch hunt just seems ridiculous. >> if you look at the deciding officials that would be involved in a case like this, and you have to remember, don, that when you go into an attorney's office, it really requires permissions at the highest level. so you probably had christopher wray, the head of the fbi, rod rosenstein, the acting attorney general. the interim u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, berman, and the head of the criminal division in the main justice department, all of whom are seasoned lawyers, all of them happen to be republicans, which i think is irrelevant, but the notion that that crew would somehow conspire to engage in a witch hunt against the president's lawyer for allegations of campaign finance violations doesn't hold
true to me. >> i agree that it's relevant, but i think it's important to point out that the president keeps saying it's a witch hunt, it's the democrats, why aren't you looking at hillary clinton or barack obama, when these are his own hand-picked people. i don't know who is better to answer this, if it's osha or if it's laura. the reason i ask why didn't the federal government investigate this, would that be the eeoc? is that laura? >> i'll jump in, mike. it's true it is the fbc. the notion that the fbc has been a toothless dog when it comes to a lot of these cases, because you have to have the majority rule but also have to be unanimous issues about these very issues, about campaign finance, et cetera. even when they had the opportunity like the john edwards case to look at these examples of what may be campaign
contributions, this counsel don mcgann was on the committee and he said, let's not go ahead and prosecute this the same way, although it ended up having an acquittal and hung jury. the fact that you have these kids being wrang he would by the fbi or the fbc could be because they've been a notable toothless dog in some ways. >> she can speak all of next segment. the justice department and the fec have concurrent jurisdiction in matters such as this. the fec does the civil side of it, the u.s. attorneys does the criminal side of it. they both have concurrent jurisdictions, one criminal, one civil. >> osha, he keeps saying this was a break-in. these are anything but unlawful.
this was anything but unlawful. this was a break-in raid, correct? >> this was pursuant to a search warrant. one thing going off what laura said that the president needs to understand is that this is happening. the fact this has referred to was beyond mueller. it's not going to stop the investigations. it's not going to stop the investigations coming out of other offices across the country. if mueller goes himself, the same thing will happen when he fired comey. these are now in the criminal justice system. judges have seen the evidence. search warrants have been issued. grand juries have been on it, indictments have been done.
i think he is sorely mistaken if he thinks that getting rid of mueller will stop anything that's already been started in our justice system. >> she has spoken. don't go away. we have much more to come on the raid. the break-in of michael cohen couldn't have come at a worst time when the trump team is coming up empty. lincoln mkx, more horsepower than the lexus rx350 and a quiet interior from which to admire them. the lincoln spring sales event is here. for a limited time get zero percent apr on the lincoln mkx. hurry in today to your lincoln dealer. in birds eye protein blends. ok. they're delicious side dishes with the protein of beans, whole grains... ...and veggies! mmm, good.
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his anger tonight over the fbi raid of his attorney michael cohen. anger, sources fear, could push him over the edge. osha, let me ask you, maggie hagen reported tonight in the "new york times" and she tweeted, trump is angrier than he's ever been, including the two news cycles. what that translates to is unclear, but mboth trump and cohen believe this is really mueller and that farming it out to sdny was a figure leaf. both sources say that this has crossed the red line that trump laid out for mueller going outside his purview. has he crossed the line? >> we need to understand that when mueller has an appointment with rosenstein, he has a
subject kind of scoped. if he encounters something that's beyond the scope, he doesn't just shrug his shoulders and walk away. what if he discovers a human trafficking ring or pornography? does he say, oh, that's beyond my scope, carry on! no. the department of justice is required by law to investigate any evidence of criminal activity. so it will be passed on, as it was in this case. what this tells me is that rosenstein is actually taking his oversight responsibilities very seriously. he's not allowing mueller to continue something that might be very far outside his scope, not letting him cross that red line. instead he is allowing the regular prosecutors in the appropriate offices of the department of justice go along with this. and again, in this case it's a u.s. attorney that was interviewed by trump himself. so, again, as i mentioned before, he will be disappointed if he believes that getting rid of mueller or rosenstein or sessions is in any way going to
stop this ball from rolling. >> this is coming at a time when the president's legal team is really diminished, and some say frankly they are outgunned by mueller's team. is that the way you see it, laura? >> i see the time ing is very curious given last week the president looking to sit down with mueller and his professional team. yet again you have someone conflating two issues, most likely investigations, with the hope that if you undermine the credibility of the investigation, it will give the president of the united states political cover to possibly say either he won't voluntarily sit down with that team per advice of counsel, or he'll be subpoenaed by mueller and his team and will be able to plead the fifth and say, it's not political suicide here. what i'm doing is not going to answer questions in a witch hunt because we know that mueller is farming things out for fig leaf purposes as well. i think the fact he had his
diminishing legal team is only going to exacerbate the president's narrative that for him to feel he has cover that mueller is run ning a witch hun and he's trying to hoodwink the entire american public, none of which have played out in the facts. >> so it was told to lou dobbs that he wants to consider impeachment. >> and the grounds for impeachment is following the law? it's not really a sensible position. what rod rosenstein did is what he swore under oath to do, which is uphold the law, as did christopher wray. the base of it, it appears, is they don't like how they're exercising their constitutional obligations because it is pillaring someone that they like politically.
that's not what impeachment is about. that doesn't meet any one standard of definition of a high-crime misdemeanor style abuse of office, so i think it's rhetorically sort of convenient but not practically doable. >> what kind of charges can come from all of this? go on. >> i was just going to point out that increasingly, the deep state is consisting almost entirely of republicans, which is very odd. and i think that should be a clue that the only deep state that exists right now is the deep state of denial in the white house and among his lawyers that this is getting very bad for them. and he needs to get better legal advice on how to handle it, including potentially not talking about obstruction of justice on television like he did today. >> michael, what did you want to say? >> i'm agreeing with asha for sure. i think the whole criminal
justice system works best when each side is well represented. i think it behooves the president so take a step back, find a competent team so they can address the issues that are raised in a prudent, lawful and sober way, and i think we'll all be advantaged by that. there is no good in having a president without representation adequate to those who are looking into allegations of wrongdoing. i just hope he steps back, finds good counsel, lets them build a team for him, let them meet with mueller and make a forward path sobek get this resolved and behind us, whatever that is. >> hey, laura, two things if you can answer quickly. what kind of charges might stem from this? >> from michael cohen, you're looking at possibly bank fraud or tax-related issues, perhaps campaign finance issues. the president doesn't seem to have an exact link to this yet so i can't state what charges will be brought against him or anyone else. >> you talked about these kinds
of cases, attorney-client privilege, can be waived. has this come up before? >> the notion of a waiver bwoul be different. that's saying i do not want my client to be held to that amount of silence. it will not protect communications. if they're made to forward a crime or hide criminal activity. also the notion that it can only exist if it was between the attorney and client. not outside entourages, not third parties who are around, not anybody who was bc'd or cc' d around it. just one on one, no one else around in furtherance of legal advice, they'll be protected. if it's about business or anything else -- >> could he talk to michael cohen now and it would be privileged? >> he could talk about issues, but i suspect there is a cone of
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years ago, far from when donald trump ever thought of being in office. >> can i stop you there? this is about mueller's investigation. >> that's disingenuous, don, let's be honest. your show and this network for months and months have screamed russia, russia, russia. guess what? there's nothing there that connects to president trump. >> how do you know? are you part of the investigation? how do you know that? no, no, no, no, no. how do you know that? are you part of this investigation? >> no, because if you take 20 lawyers, biased lawyers who hate the president, tens of millions of dollars, the full investigatory power of the united states government and you can't find anything after a year of having been investigating -- >> the people who are running this investigation were hand-picked by the president of the united states, skand many o the people who are running this investigation or part of this investigation are also
republicans. how did all of a sudden robert mueller, who is beloved by the right wing and donald trump and everyone, all of a sudden become a pariah because he's all of a sudden doing his job? >> being a republican hardly means you're in favor of president trump. >> he says it's a witch hunt by the democrats, and he says most of the people on the team are either democrats or have donated to democratic entities. >> they're republicans who can't stand the president, and by the way, i think the republicans sadly are as complicit in what's going on now in terms of these swamp tactics as the democrats are. let me just be very blunt. the president needs to fire jeff sessions. he needs to fire rosenstein. he needs to fire mueller. this is a sham investigation. this is his own justice department trying to usurp the power of the presidency. if the congress wants to investigate this, they're a co-equal branch, go at it.
but his own justice department -- >> if he's innocent, why would he fire those people? >> it's not about innocence. it's because they're creating a witch hunt atmosphere that's really, in many ways, i think reminiscent of what we see in dictatorships. when you raid the president of the united states' private attorneys, residents and offices, and when you say we're going to pierce attorney-client privilege, what you're admitting here is we have nothing on russia, nothing significant, nothing we can hang our hat on, but we are going to find a way or make a way to impeach the president of the united states. let's just be honest. that is the end goal here. that is the goal of the washington swamp. it's the goal of the media, is to impeach the president. and the president has to say enough. we have business in this country to attend to. >> that's quite a tale you weave there, but go on. >> it's quite a tale and it happens to be the truth. it's why the president needs to take action. >> let somebody else talk. go ahead, dana.
>> are we done now? >> we're hardly done. >> i'm one of those true republicans that can't stand this president because he has hijacked the republican party, and he has hijacked democracy. that being said, frankly, don, the trump apologist has sidetracked so much, i kind of forgot your question. can you refresh my memory? >> i said the president has called the raid of cohen an attack on our country and an attack on all that we stand for. is that appropriate? >> yes, it's appropriate, and i'm going to tell you why. one of the things that differentiates the united states of america from many other countries, including dictatorships, is that in this country nobody, nobody, not the president -- >> do you think it's appropriate to call it an attack on our country? >> no, i think it's appropriate for michael cohen to be investigated and to be raided. because in the united states of
america, one of the things that distinguishes us from many other countries is that in this country, nobody, not the president of the united states or his minions or his personal lawyer or whomever, is above the law. they are all subject to the law, and they all need to behave legally. so i do think it is appropriate for him to be raided. look, follow the trail. follow the money trail. i mean -- you know, i actually marvel at the fact that donald trump has gotten as far as he has gotten with his limited intellectual curiosity, vocabulary of about a four-year-old, and the worst damn lawyer that any of us have ever seen. this guy couldn't even get an mba executed. >> dana, you've been demeaning the president in this manner for so long. he went to an ivy league school and he's a self-made billionaire. i wish i were that dumb, i don't
know about you. let's get to point about our democracy -- >> are you going to answer the question or continue to pivot. it takes time and we only have one segment. because you really talk and talk and talk, and -- >> steve, make your point. >> i'm trying to. i'm trying to. >> so at this point there's three of us in this panel. you spoke all you wanted to without any of us interrupting. i now spoke and it's charles' turn. >> he answers to no one which is why he needs the truth. >> a lot of people try to downplay the whole stormy daniels story. they're saying, oh, this is about an affair. we know it's not about an affair he had years ago. this is possibly breaking lawsuit, campaign finance, breaking election laws, and that's what it appears this may
have come down to. >> wouldn't that be incredibly ironic if this piece of it becomes the thing, becomes the biggest thorn in his side? around that story has always been just an incredible amount of smoke. what did cohen tell his bank when he was getting the loan? he said he got a loan, i guess, a second mortgagor something. what do you tell them? you can't lie to them and say it's for one thing if it's for another. why did the detectors and they reported it, did the president know about the agreement which he says now he did not know about it. did he know about the payment? did the president pay him back? would he ever ask the president to pay him back? there's a lot of smoke and mirrors on this, and the easiest way not to get in trouble is telling the truth.
i don't know yet if they have told that truth, but something about their activity around this caught the eye of mueller and his investigators. they referred it to another group of fbi investigators, attorneys of new york. they went to a judge. a judge evaluated what they brought to them, and he said, it looks like this warrants the search warrant. so something there is tripping a lot of triggers. >> and there are six major things that you have to attain in order to get -- before obtaining a search warrant, investigators had to obtain the evidence. the warrant had to come from an assistant attorney general or the attorney general. he had to confer with the department of justice before receiving it. privileged communications between cohen and his science. a clean team, including lawyers
and agents not working on the case. we must ensure that the. researchers had to develop a review process for the seized material. >> that's a. >> it's a lot of hoots, but don, i want to know, what happened to russia? where did russia a go. >> i know we're krumplged for time, but this is an important conversation. as i said from the very beginning when you started to talk, these are two. . tell trump not to pleat up with porn stars, and he's married, and drop his trousers. >> okay, guys. i got to go. i gotta go.
>> if you don't want that to come out, don't say it. >> remind me of the question, don? >> we'll be right back. &
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he's so viscerally angry. it does raise the risk of the mueller investigation, whether he replaces sessions or -- he's clearly angry about this. >> and many trump supporters and his spokespeople are conflating the two investigations into one. this is not robert mueller's investigation. >> no, there is a referral, but this is a separate investigation, and it's also important to note that even if mueller is ousted that the southern district of new york investigation will continue. so these are -- you know, this is an incredible moment when we have two separate federal investigations of criminal behavior. >> and again, he called this an attack on our country, an attack for all that we stand for. but even while all of this is going on, i want to talk about what's happening now. i want to talk about what's going to happen with syria. >> it may be more likely to happen in syria because of the
events today. >> do you think it's a wag the dog situation? >> i don't know, but i do -- i think that it was likely this was going to happen, anyway. i think it's almost 100% certain that it's going to happen now after this. >> you heard the president say today, talk about the timing, he said u.s. would be withdrawing from syria soon, remember. john mccain is basically -- he's blaming those words at least for the chemical attack. here's what he said in a statement. he said, president trump last week signalled to the world that the united states would prematurely withdraw from syria. bashar assad and his russian and iranian backers have heard him and emboldened by american inaction, assad has reportedly launched another chemical attack against innocent men, women and children, this time in douma. is he right? was assad emboldened by president trump's words? >> it's a little harsh and i don't think it's fair to blame
president trump for the use of chemical weapons. that's on president assad, that's on iran and that's on russia. but it is true that assad has repeatedly used chemical weapons back since 2012 because the international community, in part represented first by president obama, most recently by president trump, has kotolerate it. a year ago president trump fired 69 cruise missiles at a million dollars each into the ground. that was a one-off event that didn't change the calculations of assad. and from that point of view, mccain is right that trump did not stand up to it, that when he talks about pulling troops out of syria that that, i think, does make assad a little more likely to think, yeah, he can do whatever it takes to win in that area of eastern bouta.
>> this is the end of the t tomahawk missiles you're talking about. there was an attack on 80 people. 48 people died saturday in douma. president trump called putin out by name for backing animal assad. why do you think the president is calling putin out now? >> i don't call the president reprehensible for not calling him out. i was glad he called him out now. but it sure does look like he is going to fire missiles at syria, but the problem is, does he have any -- military force is important when it's harnessed to some sort of broader vision, when it's harnessed to a strategy. i don't see what that strategy is in the case of syria. i don't see what that gives us leverage to do. this is a really dangerous moment in syria with the israeli
strikes apparently having killed four iranians. we're really concerned whether there will be another israel-lebanon war. i don't have confidence in president trump using his military toolbox in ways that will avoid problems with russia and with iran, and in ways that will actually advance syrian interests and our interests and global interests on the ground there. >> we'll know what's going to happen soon. the president indicated today as well that we will know. >> i think it's coming. >> thank you, nicholas. appreciate it. when we come back, evidence that scott pruitt lied about controversial raises given to friends who
controversial pay raises. what can you tell us? what do you know. >> as you mentioned, last week i reported that scott pruitt had signed off on two really hefty pay raises for two of his staffers back from oklahoma. what was controversial, though, was not so much the raises themselves which, yes, were quite large, but the white house refused to sign off on these. when that happened, pruitt ordered his aides to sir cup ve -- circumvent the process. and then they interviewed pruitt and he denied any knowledge. what i can report today though is that an e-mail is currently circulating the agency which n which sarah greenwall, one of the aids who received the raises said pruitt was in fact the one to sign off on these. i have two administration official whose have seen the
e-mail confirming that to me. what's happening right now, don, is epa officials know there's an investigation into these raise says so they're trying to corral all the relevant materials that may appear to contradict what pruitt said in his fox news interview. this one is troubling them the most, though, because it's not really something they can explain away. >> let me ask you this, because you're saying there's an e-mail floating around. it's not from pruitt. the epa spokesman said there no evidence in the e-mail that pruitt knew about the pay raises or that he even saw the e-mails. that is correct? >> what the e-mail says, it's sarah green wawall telling hr t c confirm that her raises have been processed and she says the adm administrator approved these raises. the statement i got in my professional opinion seemed to indicate they were confirming
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