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The others . Nope get internet on our gigspeed network and add voice and tv for 34. 90 more per month. Call or go on line today. This is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. It is a little past 11 00 p. M. Here on the east coast. We are live with new developments. Shock waves still be felt in the white house tonight over Rudy Giulianis bombshell admission that President Trump repaid his fixer Michael Cohen for that 130,000 hush money payment to porn star Stormy Daniels. Sources tell cnn the whole thing was a story cooked up by Rudy Giuliani and the president leaving the rest of the team in the dark. Yul giuliani telling cnn, quote, the strategy is to get everything wrapped up and done with this so that it doesnt take on a life of itself own. I want to bring in now Stormy Daniels attorney Michael Avenatti. Its already a life of its own. Thank you for joining us. Were not going away anytime soon. You were on the show last night following that interview with Rudy Giuliani, where he admitted that the president has repaid Michael Cohen. Since then hes spoken to a number of different outlets. Is he helping his case . Is he cleaning up what he said . No, hes helping our case. In fact, if we need a car for him from studio to studio, we will, don. How is he helping your case . Because every time he speaks he makes another admission or stupid statement that makes our case. Ill give you an example. This morning he went on fox friends and made a statement about the importance or the need for the payment to have been made when it was. I think he posited the question, can you imagine if this would have come out in the mid october 2016 debate with hillary . He actually tied the payment to the election by positing that question. I mean, thats fantastic for us. Every time he speaks, every time the president speaks our case only gets better. Hold on, lets play it. Youre saying Stephanie Clifford made these allegations, told Donald Trumps lawyer i denied them. Then said it wasnt true. However, imagine that came out october 15th, in the middle of the last debate with hillary clinton. So to make it go away, they made this cohen didnt even ask. He did his job. He made it go away. He said cohen made it go away. Did you have proof before this that the president knew about this or that he reimbursed cohen before Rudy Giuliani went on television . Yes. But you were surprised he admitted it publicly . We didnt think it would be this easy, don. We didnt think that the president s lawyer would go on national television, not one show, and then try to backtrack from it or walk it back, but on multiple shows. Hes been on shows now for about 24 hours, saying the same thing time and time again and all of this is going to be fodder for the depositions well take of mi Michael Cohen and mr. Trump. And were very much looking forward to it. You said you had proof he reimbursed. We have evidence, yeah. You have evidence that the president knew about all of this. Yeah. Okay, so would that be communications with her former attorney . Do you know what Stormy Daniels attorney, Keith Davidson, spoke to Michael Cohen about . And was it they say they had to get this done before the election . I want to be clear about this. There is no question that this payment was linked to the timing of the 2016 president ial election. No question. There were Extensive Communications between Michael Cohen and Keith Davidson in october of 2016, tying the payment date of the 130,000 to the need for the payment to be made in advance of election day in 2016, period. Theres evidence of those communications. Theres going to be testimony about communications between those two. Any suggestion that this payment, this 130,000 payment that was initially made by Michael Cohen, that the timing was just a coincidence, is complete nonsense. And don, let me just say this. Right now im pulling whats called an avenatti. Im not pulling a giuliani. And heres the difference. When you pull an avenatti, you actually have facts in evidence to back up what you say. When you pull a giuliani, you just appear to fox and spew a bunch of nonsense that you dont actually have any proof for. So what is your next move then . What has this done for your case legally . Do you just sit back and watch the interview . Thats actually not a bad strategy in this case right now. Were not going to telegraph our next move. If we were going to do that wed be operating like the president s legal team. Were going to be smart and strategic and methodical about how we go about this. I want to make sure i get this right. The nonpartisan Government Watchdog Group common cause filed complaints against trump and cohen with the Justice Department saying trump may now be on the hook for breaking Campaign Finance laws. Were other laws broken . Well, i think other laws may have been broken, relating to potentially how this was done, money laundering, bank fraud. Im going to go back to something i said pretty consistently in the last 24 hour. If the reimbursement of this 130,000 was legit, and completely above board, and there was nothing to hide, then why did they go to such efforts to hide it . Why create this llc . Why create bogus legal invoices . Why go through the process of paying multiple payments until you gross up the amount to 130,000 plus taxes . Why wouldnt mr. Giuliani send a wire for 10,000 . Theyre never going to have a good explanation for that, don. And the reason is there is no good explanation. They conspired to hide this payment, to bury this payment. And they then proceeded, when somebody began to call them on the carpet on it, namely us, they nthen proceeded to lie to the American People reel. So lets talk more about the timing. Rudy giuliani spoke with bob costa over at the Washington Post. I want to read it. Giuliani says, the original payment from cohen was sometime right before the election. The repayments took place over a period of time probably in 2017, probably all paid back by the end of 2017. That and probably a few other situations that might have been considered campaign expenses. And costa said, do you know how those payments were struktdured in 2017 . Giuliani said, dont know, dont know. Actual, i think they probably in 2018, they were paid in the personal funds because they never considered this a campaign payment. This was considered more a harassment case. What does the timing of the reimbursements say to you . I dont think the timing of the reimbursements matter. And let me say this, don, i think if you look at timing of cohen and the wall street journal article where he said he facilitated the payment, used this word facilitated. He also said at no point in time was he reimbursed by the campaign or trump organization. So the first time i saw this payment, i said, the use of the word facilitated is rather suspicious, because it doesnt say he paid it. And i also thought it was interesting that it did not mention mr. Trump individually. I dont think theres any question that as of the release of that statement, that date of march of or february of 2018, that Michael Cohen had already started receiving reimbursement or had already been reimbursed. Rudy giuliani said there was no daylight between him and the president. So do you think last night all of this was some sort of strategy and if so what is the motivation . I think it was a strategy. I think it was an effort by mr. Giuliani and mr. Trump to try to get out in front of this. That may be a legitimate strategy, four months ago. Before you appear on air force one on video and lie to the American People, before you have your personal attorney Michael Cohen lie to the American People, before you have Michael Cohens personal attorney, david schwartz, lie to the American People. Before you have the White House Press spokespeople take the podium and lie to the media and the American People. You dont get out in front of something after three or four months of lies. What is the the end game here . To sue, get money, for her to speak, to reveal lies . What is the end here . Don, we have been very consistent in our approach to this for weeks now. The end game is as follows. We want the nda invalidated. We want Michael Cohen held responsible for his defamatory statements about my client. We want donald trump held responsible for his defamatory statements against my client. And we want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth laid bare for the American People so they can know what happened in connection with this and they can make their own determination as to whether this is acceptable conduct, period. So is that an adjudication or an admission from those individuals . Its a full disclosure. A disclosure of all the information, documents, all the payment receipts. It is laid out for the American People. Well let them decide. And to the extent that the other side has a different narrative that they want to try to apply to that evidence and facts, so be it. Thank you, michael. I appreciate it. When we come back, Rudy Giulianis media bombshell tour left Even White House insiders reeling. So is the new strategy rudy and the president against the world . Is that what it is . And how will the Trump Legal Team handle that . But one blows themisturizer all out of the water. Hydro boost from neutrogena®. With hyaluronic acid to plump skin cells so it bounces back. Neutrogena® multiple sources telling cnn that Rudy Giulianis bombshell comments have thrown President Trumps legal team in disarray especially the revelation that the president repaid Michael Cohen 130,000 to cover the Stormy Daniels hush money payment. I want to bring in ryan lizza, harry lipman, and cnn legal analyst Michael Zeldin who was Robert Muellers special assistant at the Justice Department. So good to have you on. Im going to start with you. Our Gloria Borger is reporting that the media blitz angered some blindsided some members of the justice team. How did this benefit trumps legal strategy . Its very hard to see. And you can imagine emmet flood a real pro whos onboard feeling completely blindsided. Giuliani seems to have somehow managed to increase trumps exposure on both flanks. On the one hand, the revelation or admission that trump knows about the payment puts him a giant step closer to coconspirator liability with cohen for whatever Campaign Finance violations there may be. And on the other, the reiteration of the narrative that he really didnt know anything about the hush agreement when it was made, makes it harder to enforce the nda, makes it more likely hell have to sit for a deposition. Theres just dozens of headaches this will create down the road, and you have to imagine it was not at all cleared with the people who are now supposed to be actually in charge of figuring out trumps legal strategy. Well, see if our other legal mind on the panel agrees. Do you agree with that, michael . Yes. In fact i think that what Rudy Giuliani did, whether he did it in coordination with the president or some think i thought he was freelancing and now theyre trying to in retrospect describe to the American People what happened yesterday and today, i think exactly as harry says. That this makes the president of the united states, then candidate trump, an accessory to the Campaign Finance violation. And depending on the facts and depending on the timing of the repayment it may well be that its a willful violation, which would make it a criminal offense. Otherwise its just a Campaign Finance reporting violation which is civil violation directed mostly at the campaign and not so much the individuals involved in certain actions. Good point. So if its a Campaign Violation then the campaign has to pay it, and it would be civil, right, depending on the timing . It would be a reporting violation. That the campaign should have reported the loan, and they failed to do so. What does that mean . How much money . Is it a slap on the wrist . What is it . The federal Commission Moves sorry, someones talking to me. I said the federal Commission Moves at a glacial pace and its hard to know whether its in our lifetime, what penalty they impose. But it wont be significant. And then for Michael Cohen, what does that mean for him . Is it a criminal exposure . Well, again, depending on intent whether it was a willful violation makes it a criminal violation. If its not, its just a recordkeeping violation. But theres no easy way to understand cohens contribution whether it be his services or the money as being not an excessive contribution beyond the limits that are allowed for individuals. More on that later because i want to talk about the fec and the rules. I want to bring ryan in here to talk a little bit more about giuliani. Is giuliani the new voice of trump . Do they not only have an undisciplined client but an undisciplined colleague as well, or spokesperson . Yeah, i think the best explanation that ive heard for this is these are two men of about the same age, who know each other well from new york politics, view the world in similar ways, talk about the world in similar ways. Both deeply immersed in the conservative media environment that can be a bit of an echo chamber. And, you know, you could see the two of them sitting around saying, you know, weve got to get ahead of this Campaign Finance thing. Oh, i know, ill go on fox and say you paid it. And then, you know, thatll get us square with Campaign Finance laws. Perhaps the kind of thing you want like a young associate at your law firm to do a little doublechecking on in whether that helps or hurts you legally. But i think giuliani genuinely believed he was helping their legal case by saying that trump made the payment. Do you think the president thinks he helped the case . Do you really think that . Its like with a lot of things with trump he gets an idea in his head, or someone brings him an idea. He says, yes, execute that. He likes the initial thrust of the argument. He likes the initial way it plays in the media, but then theres some blowback. This reminds me, frankly, the whole scaramucci episode. Originally trump thought it was great scaramucci went on this crazy rant with me. Then the more he thought about it, he thought, this guy is a loose cannon, and hed be a terrible communications director, ive gotta get rid of him. Soy wonder if the same thing is going on with giuliani. The initial reports were last night that giuliani talked with trump before that interview with hannity and after that interview with hannity. Giuliani reported to the Washington Post that trump had no problem with it. But now we have 24 hours of universally negative coverage or a lot of additional questions and thats when trump starts to think, maybe it wasnt such a good idea. Adding fuel to the fire. Lets talk more about this about the legal part of this. Because besides the issue, you know, if the president knew about the payment to Stormy Daniels theres also an issue of the payment being a Campaign Finance violation. Anything given, loaned or advanced to influence a federal election. And anything not given if they pay an expense, thats counts as a contribution. There are some exceptions like payments that began prior to candidacy. The payment of Stormy Daniels was made in the homestretch of the election, buts giuliani says it wasnt campaign money. So, harry, how do you explain that . Is it a campaign it was made for the campaign . So it certainly seems as if it was, and giuliani only bolstered the case when he went on television and said imagine if it came out on october 15th. It seems clear what that was. And on your segment Michael Avenatti says there was evidence of it. I want to underscore what michael was saying, if this is simply a lawyer violation, the fec doesnt have a history of being vigorous or quick about it. But theres the potential for a criminal offense here, not fec but actually the Justice Department if its a willful violation. And this does altogether begin to feel like a really sort of nefarious scheme to try to keep the truth from coming out until the election had passed. And that is the sort of thing the law has a checkered history they tried to apply against john edwards and ended up with egg on their face. But theres reason to think this sort of tells a story of concerted action to really keep the truth from coming out. That could be a criminal offense. Right. And may i add to that, don, and i agree with harrys analysis. And when you see words out of giulianis mouth like this money was funneled through the law firm and that an llc, a limited liability corporation, was set up with purposes of channelling that money. And then the repayment of that was done through these 35,000 retainer for no work types of payments, that does speak to willfullness. And i think one of the things for the prosecutors is to see how this was treated on the taxes of both cohen and the trump organization. Was this income that was attributed to cohen . Was it not . Was it a loan . Giuliani talked about the taxes. He said part of it last night was to help out with taxes. Giuliani is a third party. Giuliani is speaking on behalf of the president. Maybe hes speaking from what the president told him. Does that mean he knows Michael Cohens side . No, i dont think he knows it necessarily. The point i wanted to make is how cohen treats this on his taxes whether its income or repayment of a loan, whether trump takes it as a business expense, deduction, all that stuff will indicate the intent of the parties that takes it between a civil or criminal willful violation. Theres a lot of stuff the prosecutors can gather which will impact that analysis. All right. Thats a very fine point there. Listen, i want to talk about other things that happened during this interview because, ryan, this is Rudy Giuliani calling Jared Kushner disposable in the same breath saying ivanka trump is offlimits to the mueller investigation. If they do do ivanka, which i doubt they will, the whole country will turn on him. Theyre going after his daughter. What about his soninlaw . They talked about him. I guess jared is a fine man. You know that. But men are, you know, disposable. But a fine woman like ivanka, come on. So saying that in context of a federal investigation is stunning. Is there more behind it, do you think . Could she be on muellers radar, do you think . You know, shes not a name that comes up very often in all of the reporting on this case, right . Jared obviously is someone that has come up quite frequently. And i just think its very, very strange that Rudy Giuliani seems to think the criteria for prosecution is whether the American Public is sympathetic to the target of an investigation or not. You know, im not a lawyer, but i dont think thats how its supposed to work. And my question, don, is where does that come from, this idea of putting ivanka on a pedestal, better not touch her the 1950s called. Right. But then if jared is disposable, this is a bit of arm chair psychiatry in guessing, but was this like a conversation giuliani had with the president and he was sort of reflecting it back . Thats why i said to michael is giuliani just simply regurgitating what the president has said to him regarding Michael Cohen, regarding ivanka, regarding jared . Were speculate, but that was the vibe of that interview is this is giuliani and trump in a room getting each other worked up. And he comes and repeats it on television. Thanks, you guys. I appreciate it. 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Mark mckinnon is the executive producer of showtimes the circus, and a former adviser to president bush and george mccain. Love having you on. Ive been wanting to talk to you about this since last night when this happened. The white house was blindsided by giuliani in that interview. Youre a communications expert. How would you rate this performance . Well, im reminded of mark twains great adage that telling the truth is so much easier. Because you dont have to remember anything. Part of the problem is, theres so many story lines that people are trying to keep up with. I just think the president is continuously putting the people who work for him in untenable positions to defend what hes saying. Because its clearly in fact, ill just quote a New York Times report that just came out that says that sources close to giuliani said mr. Trump and his aides see lying to or misleading the news media as far less troublesome than lying to investigators. Thats sort of the strategic shift they made now. Lying to the press, thats okay because theres no sort of criminal liability there. So the press comms team is put in the position of being blindsided all the time like they have been in the last 24 hours, and its very difficult to watch. Weve been reporting on that on this show you call out the lies. But you wonder if people even care its going to affect this president at all. Listen, i want to giuliani is apparently speaking directly with the president and then putting information out unfiltered. And you heard the white house sources telling dana bash, that managing that Stormy Daniels story is now out of control. Can anyone put the lid on rudy . Is this just an opening act for him . I think its exactly what trump wanted. I think its exactly what a lot of people expected having seen Rudy Giuliani in the last couple of years and he just likes to throw the grenades and let the shrapnel fly. And thats whats so dangerous, and i think its a great discussion by your legal experts. They talked about all the new sort of potential avenues of legal liability because it was just such a, you know, such a provocative move on giulianis part which i think reflects Donald Trumps instincts. But its not what i think most lawyers would have recommended. And i think i think it is a oneonone trumpgiuliani strategy without a lot of input from the other legal team would be my guess. But its precisely what donald trump wants to do, which is just to make it a political attack and not a legal strategy. Lets get back to the lies. Because my take at the tom of the show at 10 00 i talked about the lying and gaslighting and on and on and on, and that this administration theyve made a decision to lie to the press, which means lying to American People. And the only way thats going to change, mark, is if they get rid of the enablers in congress, the enablers in the white house, the enablers in the senate. Do you think anything will change after this . Or what could possibly change because theyve made a decision as you say, to lie to the American People. Well, its a great point, don. But what i would observe there may be an Inflection Point here. I think there comes a point where, theres been a lot of stuff people see as inconsequential, doesnt relate to my life, this is not a surprise from donald trump, we kinda heard this during the campaign. But suddenly it gets to be sort of a very suspicious thing when, you know, clearly said one thing and clearly saying another thing under threat of legal exposure. And what i was going to say you talk about the enablers, well, neil caputo on fox today had a pretty rough direct we played some of it. Yeah. It was quite something, i thought. So that could be a real signal which you might call enablers or people who are sympathetic to the president saying enoughs enough. Yeah, it was quite stunning. I tweeted it out. I said every american and especially Trump Supporters should watch this fox news segment. Lets talk about your show instead of shows on this network thanks. Youve got another episode of the circus this sunday at 8 00 p. M. And you talk to a lot of folks about the president s effects on the National Political climate including a very high profile republican. Lets listen in and well talk. Now youre running for Public Office in the trump era. How is that different . I dont know that its different. You express what you believe. I think for people for whom this is their occupation, politics is something they have to succeed at or their life has been a failure, i dont feel that way. Its different for me. I raised my family, had an active community in church and i see politics as a way to make a difference. And if People Choose someone else, fine, i can go back to my life. He doesnt know its different to run in this era . Thats shocking. John follows up on that. We get a different answer. The best part youre going to watch is mitt romney curling. And you mean with the sweeper, the broom and everything . Yes, hes curling on the ice. So this episode because congress is out of town we decided to go across the country and get a sense of, you know, how the trump factor is playing in races around the country. Went to wisconsin, utah, florida, georgia, and now im in texas for the Nra Convention and trumps speech tomorrow. But whats fascinating is mitt romney is a great example on the of trumps impact on a lot of republicans. As you mentioned earlier, the republicans in congress that have kind of bent to trumps will. Romneys one of them. Because he was, as you recall, he lit up donald trump in one of the toughest speeches ive ever seen by anybody, you know, a year and a half ago. Now suddenly hes running for the senate again and hes really changed his tune because he knows that its Donald Trumps Republican Party now. If he wants to get elected, hes gotta kiss the ring. Theres Campaign Romney and governing romney. And i still think theres Great Potential for governing romney. But as long as youre running a republican primary and trying to get a nomination in a republican state youre going to get a lot of trump affection. Thank you, i gotta run. Kick it hard. All right. Well be right back. But one blows themisturizer all out of the water. Hydro boost from neutrogena®. With hyaluronic acid to plump skin cells so it bounces back. Neutrogena® i accept i dont i even accept i i used thave a higher risk of stroke due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem. But no matter where i ride, i go for my best. So if theres Something Better than warfarin, ill go for that too. Eliquis. 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Lets discuss now. Dont think it went past me that i was saying Prayer Breakfast in one and porn star in the same breath, actually. Good evening to both of you. Hi, don. Hi, don. Alice, Rudy Giuliani admits the president did in fact reimburse his attorney for porn star hush money. You say evangelicals are getting tired of the do as i say not as i do from the president. Why now . They admit theyre in an uncomfortable place and they say the latest revelations so to speak over the last 24 hours makes it difficult for them to defend. But some of us had a dinner this evening, and after all is said and done they still say that they cannot be focused on the porn stars and the playmates and the payouts. Do you have people reaching out to you . Ive spong spoken with several of them today and this evening, some of us had a dinner. And theyre not focused on a lot of these issues because theyre focused on hisless approximates. While none of them are going to step up to microphone and defend whats going on, they say, look, donald trump has never claimed to be an evangelical christian and as long as he continues to defend religious liberty and he stands for life and will support conservative Supreme Court justices, theyll continue to stand behind him as difficult as it is. And they say, look, the access hollywood may have actually helped him. We saw what kind of person he was. We know that hes someone thats had affairs wait, wait. I gotta get tara in. Go ahead. Okay, well, first of all maybe today should have been a national day of repentance given whats gone on, and given the fact that donald trump seems to think that he never needs to ask for forgiveness for anything. Not quite sure where thats in the bible. I also dont understand this whole thing about evangelicals saying theyre just going to give him a pass on his moral character. That was never the case before. Why has that changed now . I would like to know where in the bible it says that being an evangelical means becoming a Political Party over what the mission is, which is supposed to be spreading the word of christ, the gospel, living up to what christs life is supposed to be, being the light of the world. How is what theyre doing now accomplishing that . Its not. Im sorry, how are you winning souls . By making excuses for someone whose a charlatan, a liar, an adulterer, a potential sexual deviant. The list goes on and on for donald trump and he still just gives lip service to these evangelicals and they say hes prolife. Actually, he wasnt. Hes prochoice. Hes only prolife now because hes conning people into telling them what they want to hear including evangelicals. How in the hell did the access Hollywood Tape help him . Well, she said they knew what he is. And thats when they should have yelled stop, this is unacceptable, embarrassing, not what the gospel of jesus preaches. Evangelicals are really responsible for why donald trump is where he is by giving him a pass and theyre hypocrites for it. You want to respond to this, alice . I like you, tara, he wasnt my first choice or second or fifth choice for republican nominee but unfortunately he was the last man standing. And when it got down to the final choice between he and hillary clinton, evangelicals realized he have to get behind someone that we understand is going to help support our agenda with regard to life and these important issues. And, look, they dont originally they gave him a mulligan. As long as a lot of these things happened many years ago. Lot of mulligans. Exactly. And they were able to forgive him. But the latest allegations with regards to payouts and the conflicting time lines and conflicting stories, theyre having some heart burn over it. Then they need to speak up, alice. They need to speak up. I gotta go. Theyre not speaking out. Theyre clapping there like happy seals. No one is speaking out and they need to. Heartburn, but not soul burn. Theyre going to have to pray about that. Yeah, lot of prayer. Lots of people on their knees praying. Well be right back. Hi. Im the only bed that actually senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you both effortlessly comfortable. Does your bed do that . Im the new sleep number 360 smart bed. Lets meet at a sleep number store. Youre more than just a bathroom disease. Youre a life of unpredictable symptoms. Crohns, youve tried to own us. But now its our turn to take control with stelara® stelara® works differently for adults with moderately to severely active crohns disease. Studies showed relief and remission, with dosing every 8 weeks. Stelara® may lower the ability of your immune system to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. Some serious infections require hospitalization. Before treatment, get tested for tuberculosis. 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Do you go to kids with lots of religions . Theres only one other sikh. Oh, really . So do kids ever make fun of you because of your religion or because you cover your hair . I had some issues like that last year, because i moved to a new school. A kid would make fun of me for having long hair. So when the kids were bothering you, you never thought, i should go home and take this off and get a hair cut and try to blend in . I actually think that im lucky to be a sikh. Im happy that im that. Nice, thats well said. Thats definitely going to be on tv just so you know. Hes definitely going to be on tv, he just made the cut. What a cute kid. Man of my word. Kamau is here, host of united shades of america. Well get to your show in just a minute. But i need to ask you about a couple things going on. Sure, sure. In the news, hot topics. Is this hot topics . Im on the view. Scott spoke with the president today about plans to hold a series of race summits at the white house why are you making a face . [ laughter ] black athletes and artists will be invited. It was inspired by kanye west. Why does he need a summit in order to communicate with black people . Because he doesnt know black people. He didnt have black people in his life. He knows darryl scott. But he has to have a summit, cant just get him on the phone. This is that tokenism, the kanye effect, which is spread throughout showbusiness and all of america. Like theres this talk towards were going to do something, but its not doing anything. Thats not helping the neighborhoods, thats not helping chicago. This is West Virginia Senate Candidate don blankenship. He called Mitch Mcconnells fatherinlaw, i think he said a wealthy china person and then doubled down and said it was not racist. Now hes put out this ad. Watch this. Im don blankenship. Swamp captain Mitch Mcconnell has created millions of jobs for china people. [ laughter ] so many things. The idea that creating jobs for china people is a bad thing. But china people, thats a new one for me. China people. Is he just not even bothering . Trump has given people permission to not bother. To not pretend. But its also sad that this might actually help him. What does that say about us . If it does help him, that says a lot about us. But look to doug jones in alabama, we had his opponent, roy moore, people were afraid, what if that guy gets into office, so people mobilized to make sure that didnt happen. I think the same thing can happen there. I want to talk about united shades of america, the sikh religion. Its sikh. Why are they so misunderstood in america . Because most people dont even know theres a sikh religion. But when they see a man with a turban and a beard, they assume it was a muslim. And theyre victims of hate crimes, because theyre targeting muslims, which they shouldnt do, sikhs are targeted in the process. So sikhs have said, its hard to beat us up because were not muslims, but also dont target muslims. That again speaks to our ignorance. Make more friends with people who dont look like you. The browning of america, a lot of people are afraid of that, and thats whats happening. Im doing it in my house, me and my wife, browning more babies up every day. Look at you with that terrorist fist bump. [ laughter ] you guys google. The news season of united shades of america continues sunday night at 10 00. Well be right back. But one blows themisturizer all out of the water. Hydro boost from neutrogena®. With hyaluronic acid to plump skin cells so it bounces back. Neutrogena® last year we shared the story of Khali Sweeney. A top ten cnn hero from detroit who leads boxing to bring kids on a path to success. 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