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The investigation. Hes a decorated vietnam veteran and former fbi director. Why does the president keep saying this . Well, hes attacking muellers team because this is a political fight. There is obviously some legal components to this, but in the end, this is a political fight. If you look at what the clinton team did with ken starr, james cargo came out and declared war on starr and the investigation and dick morris wrote an entire game plan for how they were going after ken starr. They went after al domada who was investigating whitewater at the time. These are political fights. If you look at whats gone on with what Rudy Giuliani has done in the last week, its clear theyve shifted to a stance to politically talk about this and try and play off it. Thats what the president said this morning, this is called me fighting back, and thats because in the end this is a political arena theyre fighting in, and he believes he can prove there are members of the team that have given the democrats and are therefore conflicted and this is a partisan witch hunt. Thats his message. Rick, did the clintons or the clinton team, did they send out false allegations about kenneth starr, or did they just say it was a political witch hunt . Because the crux of my question was about the president tweeting false information. Well, i think the difference here, and what the clinton folks were not exactly fighting marcus of queensbury rules every day. They were certainly able to shift people when they had to achieve their political ends. This president , however, has taken it much, much further. The clinton folks not even the clinton folks went out and said, oh, ken starr is part of a sinister kabal trying to destroy us and hes part of this gigantic conspiracy. Yes, they did. Not to the same degree as this where theyre just absolutely making statements of fact that are so disconnected from reality. But look, this is the president doing professional wrestling, this is the president doing hes talking to one narrow silo of his voters, the fox news, fox friends audience in the morning, making sure theyre revved up on this thing, that their hepped up on this thing. In the normal strategy, everybody is entertained. Donald trump has a unique, generous level of being a liar in chief like weve never seen before in any president in history. I know that you want to respond to that, mike. Julia, stand by. Mike, the people you mentioned were not the president of the United States. You were talking about carbal and others. Those were his associates doing that. Why is the president of the United States doing it . The president is tweeting things. He doesnt have his entire white house and surrogates outside the white house attacking the investigation the way clinton does. Of course he does. Really. Who is the james carval going after mueller and talking about the conflicts of interest isnt that giuliani . Youve got an entire organization in the white house invested in pushing this. Kellyanne conway does nothing else but serially lie on the position on mueller. They have an entire white house staff dedicated to one thing only. Theyre not talking about the business of the country, theyre talking about the business of protecting donald trump. You also have a lot of members of the house who have decided their oath to the constituents, the constitution, comes second to protecting donald trump. And oh, by the way, there is a Certain Television network that has dedicated 24 hours a day to running stories of the most lurid conspiracies and the most egregious statements of fact about folks like Robert Mueller and his investigative team. The president isnt standing alone holding his iphone in one hand tweeting violently against the hoard this is mike, let juliet go. This is a guy working for himself. I think all the president has left is the tweets. They are what they are. He doesnt have much of a legal defense. People are indicted, people are making plea arrangements with mueller. You have the whole mike cohen thing which is unfolding in ways that have got to be terrifying for trump, not just on the Stormy Daniels front but on the russian front. So in some ways this is all hes got left, and we should just tweet it as sort of the last lying statements of someone whose legal strategy is clearly unknown. The only legal strategy weve seen so far is a bunch of lawyers quitting. And so if he thinks he can win this way, its not just convincing mueller, its actually convincing judges who have these cases before them, grand juries who have already determined that dimindictments allowable, men who have voluntarily pled to testify against the president of the United States. Theyre not all going away because of tweets. Julia, you mentioned Michael Cohen. The Washington Post published an extensive story about Michael Cohen. It includes stiff royalty penalties, that includes doctors with whom he helped establish medical clinics and lawyers with which he worked, adding that he spent much of his personal and professional life with immigrants from russia and ukraine. What does that tell you . It tells me that the narrative of Michael Cohen as some innocent, sort of dufus guy who fell in love with trump is it a lie. Michael cohen has an enterprise that he actually was sort of the legal brains, in quotes, behind. What we have learned about Michael Cohen is that he willingly engaged in the kind of contact that is absolutely illegal, so this notion of him as a dupe is just ridiculous. Hes an adult male who should be judged that way. One other quick thing about Michael Cohen. We have been talking about Michael Cohen in the context of Stormy Daniels. I just want to remind viewers that Michael Cohen is mentioned four times in the steele dossier. The idea that Michael Cohen is a fixer on the Stormy Daniels front for trump but not in some ways implicated in the other stuff mueller is looking at is ridiculous. Hes a key player across both sides of all the troubles that are facing the trump white house. Okay, i want rick and mike to weigh in, but first, rick, im going to get you. This is from this is the wall street journal. This is a quote from them talking about preparing the president for a mueller interview. An informal fourhour practice session, mr. Trumps lawyers were only able to walk him through two questions given the frequent interruptions on National Security matters along with mr. Trumps loquac ir krrl. Mike, what do you think of that . The idea that donald trump has the Attention Span of a toddler on espresso does not surprise anyone. This is not a man who is able to focus on things for much longer than the ablock of fox friends in the morning. Im not convinced donald trump is trainable in terms of preparing him for testimony, which is why any attorney with any sense of reality wants him to stay as far away as he can from the grand jury, and as far away as he can from Robert Mueller, because they recognize the immediate peril which will occur as soon as donald trump opens his mouth. Mike, go ahead. Do you want to respond . I understand where his lawyers are coming from. They dont want him to sit down for that reason. Thats a far cry from saying, we dont want him to sit down because hes guilty of collusion with the russians and its going to come out if he sits down and answers these questions. Theres a huge difference there. It has been 14 months and going, and going at 17 million and going and going, and the real reason they dont want him to sit down is once you start talkinginvestigator, if you Say Something incorrect, even if it has nothing to do with what the investigation is about. He got confused about someone signing a lease on something and then he corrected himself. If mueller had him on something, that wouldnt be the direction they would go, they want to have him on something. They want him to talk and get in trouble from that, not from what the original purpose of the investigation was, which was russian collusion by the trump campaign. We have no way of knowing that. We have no way of knowing any of this, but we spend hours on here speculating as if President Trump is guilty, and someone tries to point out that maybe we dont know anything because hes not guilty. Julia, he was talking about during a deposition that it wasnt true whether he signed a lease or not. Your memory is not 100 . Memory, and chances are whoever the lawyers are at the time this conversation happens, his lawyers will go back and factcheck it. So the idea that the president is going to go to jail or be guilty of collusion based on some mistake or error, whether it was 1979 or 1986 when he signed the lease, is just absolutely ridiculous. I actually think people who supported donald trump should applaud bob mueller for wanting to interview the president. This is actually a really Serious Investigation that we have to remember was approved by Donald Trumps Justice Department in terms of the mandate, and i think mueller is actually showing trump incredible respect in many ways to say, look, there are big accusations here. Already people who have pled to serious, serious things. We have indictments both here and in russia, and so tell us your story. Tell us what you knew. Because there is a lot of evidence out there that shows that whether its collusion or the Money Laundering or the sex or whatever it is, a lot of that information is getting very close to you, president of the United States. And so i dont get this whole idea that the trick notion of they just want to trick donald trump. Maybe theyre actually treating him like an adult and the president of the United States to say this is serious stuff, explain yourself, because we respect we respect the office, right . I think you should view it that way. I think its weird that you think that his silence in any way helps his office. Have him do written answers, then, so he doesnt have to sit down for an interview. Thank you, rick, thank you, julie, mike. I appreciate your time. The new York Attorney general quitting amid allegations of emotional and sexual abuse. David axelrod is going to talk to us about schneiders resignation. Plus explanation on Rudy Giuliani. So were committed to helping veterans through job training when their service ends. And to hiring 10,000 veterans and military spouses to be part of our workforce in the next 5 years. Because no matter where you serve. Or when you serve. Tmobile stands ready to serve you. So we provide halfoff on all family lines for military. With expedia you could book a flight, hotel, car and activity all in one place. This is bills yard. And bill has a noweeds, not in my yard policy. But with scotts turf builder weed feed, bill has nothing to worry about. It kills weeds and greens grass, guaranteed. This is a scotts yard. Heres breaking news tonight. New yorks attorney general resigning amid assault allegations. I want to bring in senior commentator david axelrod. David, thank you for joining us. Eric schneiderman has resigned after four women accused him of violence. They called for his resignation. Two of the women spoke on record saying he had hit and choked them. Both sought medical attention because of the alleged abuse. Two others asked to stay anonymous. In a statement schneiderman denied assaults to anyone. Its a developing story. Whats your reaction to this news . Well, he resigned, so obviously he felt that there was a problem here. You know, i read the new yorker account. It was pretty well reported. So i think he did the right thing by resigning, and i think others who call fed for his resignation did the right thing as well. You cant ride the white horse and then, you know, when the mud komd comes, it really shows up. These are terrible allegations against him, so i always believe people are due their day in court, but in the court of public opinion, its very hard to read this and not say, you who called yourself an ally of the me too movement should stay in office. Again, hes denying it, but he says allegations unrelated to my professional conductor the operations of the office. They will effectively prevent me from leading the office work at a critical time. Hes saying hes doing it because he wont be able to i guess there will be such a cloud over him. I understand that. Eric schneiderman is a battler. Hes a pugna cic pugnacio us gu. The president has been griping at associates that giuliani has failed to shut down the Stormy Daniels hush money saga, and he says his media appearances are raising more questions than they are answering. Has giuliani done anything other than make life more difficult for President Trump right now . Was that a job, don . Was he supposed to put out the Stormy Daniels fire . Because i think instead of grabbing the water tank, he grabbed the kerosene and he just heated the whole thing up. He has been a mitigating disaster for the president , and im sure that amid the president s legal team, among his white house staff, there is nothing but consternation. And i have to believe hes going to pull the plug on rudys show. He reviews these things, he throws people on tv and he sees how they play, and then he pulls this. This has a mooch feel to it. This feels like a scaramucci moment to me. They said nobody knows the Justice Department as well as him and the support on his side. Do you believe that to be the case with what happened last weekend and this weekend . I dont doubt hes knowledgeable about the Justice Department. He obviously knows about mueller. But he didnt look like a very proficient lawyer. Im not questioning his legal credentials, but i dont know any lawyer ive spoken to will do anything but mess his client up in the last five days. He went out to clean up the last round and he made more mistakes, made things more complicated. Even more. Sg so i think rudy was glad to be back in the fray. He had been kind of sent offer to t off to the side by trump, he wasnt given a job, and he wanted to make a splash. Instead he made a mess. The president is going to make a decision on the iran deal tomorrow, a few days ahead of the deadline. We know the president doesnt like that deal. Reading the tea leaves, do you think hell get out of this . I would be stunned if he didnt. We know that there were reports he was very frustrated with Rex Tillerson because tillerson didnt think he should pull out. We know the defense secretary has said much the same. You know, whats been clear about donald trump in the last few months is that hes pretty much decided to go it alone. He makes his own decisions whether its on north korea or trade, and hes indicated this is the thing that he wants to do, and hes going to do it. I think its driving a wedge between our alloies and its ony going to accelerate iran getting a nuclear weapon. I dont know if hes studied the details of the policy. This is something he promised was an obama achievement or viewed as such, and we know how he feels about that. I think hes going to take an ax to it. Lets draw down a little bit more on that. Talking about the implications of American Foreign policy and those alliances with other members of the deal if the president wont stay in this deal. Yeah. No, i think the french, the brits, the germans have all expressed themselves on this. We had two leaders come here to the United States to implore him not to pull out of the deal. You know, when you lock arm in arm with your allies on Something Like this and then just idly walk away from it, it creates doubt. It creates tension. It creates problems. And thats whats going to happen here. Its going to be interesting to see how they react, because he may exit the deal but they may not. So we will be on separate sides of this. Then of course we have to see how the iranians deal with it. Theyve indicated they may take it as an abrokwgation of the de and go back to working on their nuclear program. That remains to be seen. But i think this is being done for domestic political content, not as a means of securing, you know securing the nuclear potential of iran or capping it. I dont think thats what this is about at all. This was something that played well to the crowds when he was running for president , and now he wants to follow through on it. And the fact that it was associated with obama makes it a tempting target for him. David axelrod, always appreciate your time. Thank you, sir. All right, don. Good to see you. When we come back, a new poll says a majority of americans think things are going well, but what do think about whether the president is personally doing his job . Well tell you next. Does your Business Internet provider promise a lot . Lets see who delivers more. Comcast business gives you gigspeed in more places. The others dont. We offer up to 6 hours of 4g Wireless Network backup. Everyone else, no way. We let calls from any of your devices come from your business number. Them, not so much. We let you keep an eye on your business from anywhere. The others . Nope get internet on our gigspeed network and add voice and tv for 34. 90 more per month. Call or go on line today. A new cnn poll tonight shows most people are happy with trumps america. 57 of those polls say things are going well, but their feelings about the president is a very different story. Cnn contributor selena zeto, author of the book the great revolt, politics reshaping america. Its there finally the president says he doesnt have time to read books but he gave you a shoutout. He did. He said your book has much to tell in the way of his election victory and that the forgotten men and women are forgotten no longer. So people who dont support the president , because we know why they support him, right . We had this poll. But why should they read this book . This book has something for everyone in it because it explains what this coalition is and it takes it beyond the sort of, you know, trump voters are angry and theyre this or theyre nostalgic and their stuck in a place that isnt there anymore. And it looks at seven different archetypes that we found going to the traditional blue states that went red, and we went into the counties that voted obama, obama, trump. 600 voters we spent time with out on the road in michigan, kansas, minnesota and iowa. All of them are completely different from each other. Its a very interesting coalition. But one of the things i think thats really important is that this is a movement that people still arent listening to what its saying. And it doesnt just impact the ballot box. It impacts spending, it impacts how we watch television, sports, wa the way we buy things ive never seen you so excited. I am, im really excited about this. Well talk more for sure about whats in this book and much of what youve talked about on this program and other cnn programs, including this book, im sure. Lets talk about the polls now, because we had this new poll out today, bill, and how do you explain the success of a president who has a disApproval Rating consistently higher than his Approval Rating . I think its an interesting poll, actually. Look, the country is at peace and is prosperous. 57 of the public generally approve or are happy with the way the country is going. The president s Approval Rating is only 41 . If you had this pretty good 15 or 16 months in the economy, quite good, really, and no Foreign Policy disasters yet, the president should have been in the mid50s and he should have expanded his coalition. People were asked if they would rather have Hillary Clinton for president and 34 said they would. He hasnt expanded his coalition at all of the normally the president wins and then tries to convince the people who didnt vote for him to vote for him. You have a pretty good chance of bringing people over to you. The way trump conducts himself in office, i think, limits his ability to appeal to more people. And if youre a trump supporter, you have to think, what if there is a recession . What if there is a Foreign Policy crisis . That number for the president , which is already low, could go down a lot. We talk about evangelical support for this president. An overwhelming number of people believe the president had an extramarital affair. He holds steady support among white evangelicals, and yet this is what Kelsey Graham said in 1988. The god of the bible says that what one does in private does matter. If he will lie to or mislead his wife and daughter, those with whom hes most intimate, what will prevent him from doing the same to the American Public . We call them king cyrus followers. Ku had nothing to do with the israelites, but they did follow him out. They didnt have shared values, they didnt have any shared religion, but he would protect them. And the evangelicals made a decision in 2016 somewhere in the beginning of the primary that they were going to go with they were going to be more pragmatic with their vote. They were going to go with someone who had their back. They werent going to do what democrats who didnt have a litmus test right, they were reflective. Whats most important to us . Protecting religious liberties and the Second Amendment and the Supreme Court. Bill, quickly i want to get your response, because many people just see this as pure hypocrisy. What do you think . I think the Supreme Court is very important to them, but its one thing to make a tough, hardheaded calculation and say im jewish. We dont worship king cyrus i dont know how much we know about king cyrus but hes not necessarily a model for personal bha behavior. The way Kelsey Graham talks about President Trump, hes doing good things, and my evangelical friends are pretty unhappy whats happening with the evangelical movement. Its not my religion so im not getting into that, but its one thing to make a hardheaded decision to say hes better than clinton. The hundreds of people we interviewed, we only brought out three and brought their lives to life. But they dont theres no worship there of him. They dont hold him up on a pedestal, but they do like how he has their back. And they dont like his personal behavior. Theres very little, if any, condemnation of this president. Oh, yeah. His behavior, yes. What he brings to the table for them, they made this decision, were going to be pragmatic. Lets talk about the nra and what happened last week at the nra. The president made this claim. Watch this. Kanye west must have some power because you probably saw i doubled my africanamerican poll numbers. We went from 11 to 22 in one week. So polling among black americans is actually at 7 . Talk about the numbers of voters about the president and race, and they say this. They say, the professional left focuses heavilily on the racerelated questions in analyzing the trump vote, but they were rarely sighted by trump enter viewers in this book. He talks about very old people in charlottesville and upcoming its pretty interesting. There are several archetypes within the book who are white but they have adopted black children. And so they have this different world view, so yes, some of the things that hes again, its not that hes personally popular, its as though he is the result of this but hes not the cause of it. Ask hes the one that brings this whole movement is not about him. Bill, i have to go, but can you understand why that infuriates many africanamericans . Yeah, it infuriates me. Hes downgrading the races. Its called the great revolt. Good luck. When we come back, the senate thinking the white house is worried could book roy moore on steroids. I gi go home, and i repeat. E, i kill it. My career is moving forward, but my Student Loans are going nowhere. Itll take me 20 years to pay them off, but i finally found a way to pay them off sooner, and save money by refinancing with sofi. Sofi has helped over 200,000 people get ahead of their debt, and they can help you move forward too. See how much you can save in just two minutes at sofi. Com sooner about the performance. 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Do you think its going to work is this. I dont think so, because i think thats one the republicans need to keep on the board. I was watching this ad, though, that someone from out of the country used to say yeers ago. It. I realized theyre looking for an sob and i think theyre running against him splitting that vote. I take they would be willing to toss away good opportunities. In a weet this mornin twee morning, senator john thune said, quote, lets hope and pray that does not happen. It would not be good. Why are republicans so afraid of blankenship running. Are they afraid were becoming maybe the new normal gop . Remember, Donald Trump Endorsed Louis Strange and you ended up with roy moore instead. It doesnt necessarily carry that much weight. The voters decided that roy moore was. I think theres a couple reasons why cucumber doesnt this would em bolden. You know, manchin has a much better chance at winning if blankenship is the republican nominee. Im paraphrasing here, whackiest of whackiest. And ronler mackie made that statement after the, but you have calculated that a third of the people want elections and i dont think we would win with that strategy. I think donald trump should go to a full manchin if blankenship wins the nomination and beg him that they will promise to support him against blankenship in a general election. Joe, you sat by patiently. Let me go with an even bolder idea. Blankenship wins and Mitch Mcconnell says, its better to be in the country. Whats striking here is in a tweet this morning. And his personal. Because he went to jail. Hes a convicted. We dont want to lose the seat. From the president of the United States, do we have a i think it might have been a rare moment of selfawareness when he realized the glass house he currently lives in. But i dont think he thinks that way. I dont think a criminal record means anything. I think he likes those kind of candidates. I think it goes to the craziest s. O. B. In the race. The great part about his tweets is you know exactly what he thinks, and in this case it was, it doesnt matter if he was a criminal, it doesnt matter if he loses races, were sticking with this guy. When we come back, has the president created a new low bar when it comes to the presidency . Lets fly, lets fly away just say the words and well beat the birds down to acapulco bay its perfect for a flying honeymoon they say come fly with me lets fly, lets fly away come fly with me lets fly, lets fly away do ndo not misjudgenity quiet tranquility. With the power of 335 turbocharged horses the lincoln mkx, more horsepower than the lexus rx350 and a quiet interior from which to admire them. The lincoln spring sales event is here. For a limited time get 0 apr on the lincoln mkx. Plus get 1000 bonus cash. Your new brotherinlaw. You like him. Hes one of those guys who always smells good. His 5 oclock shadow is always at 5 oclock. You like him. 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You write in the daily beast . Sn he has, in short order, created the low bar presidency, an administration in which we have grown to expect that the spokespeople mislead, the cabinet officials are corrupt and that the commander in chief is learning on the job. You the existential question is whether the low bar presidency ends when trumps leaves office. Trump has done things that change the trajectory of america, and they have done things that have led us to the point where we are. But donald trump has broken a lot of new arms, and were really inundated every day with these different crises and scandals and tweets, and, you know, we have to cover them, but i think its interesting to take a step back and think of the cumulative effect and impact that Donald Trumps presidency is having on us and what well do when hes gone. I think there is a danger of two things happening. Number one, i think there is a danger of in some cases is changing, our expectations are changing. And then, the second thing that concerns me is, i worry that there are other future president s and possible demagogues who are watching how this works. Now, the next guy could be fine. The next president , you know, sometimes theres a backlash, but i think that the trend is linear, and i do worry that the genie is out of the bottle and somebody is watching what donald trump is doing, maybe somebody who is more competent and potentially more dangerous. If you care about defending liberal democracy, as i do, this is something to be worried about. I just hope next president , whenever that comes if it comes in the next two years or six years, is really boring. A return to normalcy. And doesnt blow up my show every night at 9 45 or 9 59. But scott, listen, i want to get your take on this, because i believe you believe that trump didnt create our culture, our culture created trump, but in that scenario, where is the accountability for this president . Well, the accountability will come at the ballot box. Matt raised a good point, in that presidencies do create a backlash. Joe can weigh in on this, after the clinton years, we had a reaction to that, we went with bush. Weve had reactions to presidencies over time, and so, the question for the trump era is, are we going to have a complete backlash against what matt argues is a stretching of the norms . I have great confidence in american institutions, i have great confidence in the institution of the presidency, and presidency have certainly treated it in ways i wouldnt have preferred them treat it in the last 50 years in some cases, but we typically bounce back. We typically see people come in and then put their own stamp on it, and often that stamp is a reaction or an overreaction in some cases, to what came before, so, i think the Biggest Issue facing trump is on the trust issue, and clearly they have had some issues with trust, during the campaign and during the presidency. The Biggest Issue will come in a crisis. If there is a true, deep national crisis, that is when people are going to expect the truth and nothing but the truth. And will they believe him . All day every day. Thats when the rubber will hit the road. The question is, will they believe him . Since taking office, trump has made, according to the Washington Post, over 3,000 false or misleading statements. My concern is, in all of this, is, does the truth matter . Do facts matter anymore . They dont in this current environment. They absolutely dont. Thats sad. The irony is, trump ran on draining the swamp and has made corruption the hallmark of his administration. If you strip all of it away, hes seeking to enrich himself, cabinet officers are seeking to enrich themselves, you know, a quarter of them are gone already. Weve got one thats got 11 different federal investigations hes apart of. But to the bigger question that i think matt properly framed, politics is a game of imitation. People imitate what works. So, thats why the midterms and the 2020 elections are so important. If it works, if trump succeeds, then im not confident going forward. It will be our liberal democracy under attack, but it will give voters a chance to stand up and say, this is, were rejecting this. This suspect what ameriisnt wh about. I think youll find what will be a positive overreaction. I mean, the classic case of alltime was probably, you know, nixon and then the ford short presidency with jimmy carter running on a platform of, you can trust me. Im not richard nixon. So, i think the next candidate will, you know, i think whether its in the republican primary or the democratic candidate will build it on trust. Its going to be up to the voters. If we go the wrong way, it is very difficult to see in the Short Intermediate term how we turn that around. If youre talking about the elections, especially in the midterms, because matt, you write, the longterm danger of americans becoming complacent, that voters will keep sub standard elected officials in power. Do you think the upcoming midterms as a good indicator of that . I think that right now, we are at a crossroads. And, you know, i think that what the kinds of candidates that get elected are going to tell us something about the American Public. If people like blankenship not only win the republican primary, which i think would be bad enough, but go on to win the general election, that is not a good sign for this great experiment. I think its interesting, though, you know, i talk to people about, do facts matter, they say, well, all president s tell mistruths or whatever, which is true, you know, things dont turn out to be true, and the one answer that they always give is, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. I say, give me another one. There are 2,999 more that this president has done, why doesnt that both ert you, and there is never an answer to that. But to matts point, this is an experiment, this democracy, and experiments can go the wrong way and what trump is doing to undermine democracy with an authoritarian overtone, thats why the elections are important. The answer to that is ideology. Thank you, gentlemen. Thats it for us tonight. Thanks for watching. Ill see you right back here tomorrow. I gi go home, and i repeat. E, i kill it. My career is moving forward, but my Student Loans are going nowhere. Itll take me 20 years to pay them off, but i finally found a way to pay them off sooner, and save money by refinancing with sofi. Sofi has helped over 200,000 people get ahead of their debt, and they can help you move forward too. See how much you can save in just two minutes at sofi. Com sooner peopbut theyre different. Nd. Its nice to remove artificial ingredients. Kind never had to. We choose real ingredients like almonds, peanuts and a drizzle of dark chocolate. Find your favorite and give kind® a try. Good evening. John berman here in for anderson. There is breaking news tonight in the form of reporting from the wall street journal. When the president and his team will decide when the president will testify in the mueller probe. May 17th is the date they reportedly want to decide. May 17th, you might remember, is the oneyear anniversary of Robert Mueller being appointed special counsel. The journal details some mock q and a sessions the president has been involved