You can see it weeknights 6 25 p. M. Eastern at facebook. Com Anderson Cooper full circle. Right now the news continues. I want to hand it over to chris cuomo for cuomo prime time. Chris . All right. Thank you, anderson. I am chris cuomo. Plm to prime time. We have new information about what may be next for Michael Cohen. If hes going to deal with any more authorities. And the president s latest legal misstep. Trump has twisted his story once again about the payments made by his lawyer to help his campaign. And this latest one has him tied up in knots. We have trumps former lawyer, whom he called for advice about how to handle the cohen situation. What he thought then and now. And you know the president is on his heels with what just happened because he whipped out his what about defense. What about obama . He did it too. No, he didnt. We have the facts ahead. And a convicted felon gets some
very high praise from the president , raising a question. Will Paul Manafort soon be getting a pardon . What do you say . Lets get after it. The president has basically said it all when it comes to the payments. I deny the women. I deny knowing anything. I deny knowing before. Now he says i only knew after. And i made the payments, so there is no problem. These comments coming just one day after Donald Trumps former personal attorney pleaded guilty to eight criminal counts and said in front of the judge and at risk of losing his plea deal, which seems to make the most sense. Trump directed him to do it all. Lets bring in trumps adviser and attorney for over 20 years, also a former prosecutor, and author of a forthcoming back, the courtroom is my theater,
jay goldberg. Welcome, counselor. How are you, chris . Im doing well. Well, the title of your book how are you, chris . Im doing well. The title of your book wraps well into what were dealing with here, which is the theater of the absurd. What do you make of the situation with Michael Cohen and how did you know it would come to this . Well, i said to the president as early as april, after it was announced that there would be a that there had been a search and a seizure, that Michael Cohen would turn into a government witness, that donald had to be careful, that there would be Tape Recordings and that it would be very dangerous, that the public might not understand the role that a government witness seeking to win the favor of the government plays in our Criminal Justice system. What disturbed me is that the
people take at face value the fact that Michael Cohen will say certain things, but its been a verty in our system that people who seek to win the applause or cooperation of the government generally and often change their testimony to satisfy the government. And i want the public to know that Michael Cohen cant be counted on to tell the whole truth simply because hes testifying for the government. Well hes likely to say things that will yes. Listen, i understand that in the System People often will play to advantage. And if it helps them get a better deal for themselves, theyre more inclined to say certain things. But as a former prosecutor you know, youre not supposed to frontrun false testimony. They have a duty to figure out whether or not Michael Cohen is believable on these same matters. And at least with respect to the
Chris Cuomo asks the tough questions to newsmakers in Washington and around the world. The possibility of a perjury trap or a conspiracy but they can only get you if you lie to them. They can only get you if you lie to them, though no, thats not true. But theyre going to have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that what you said was a lie. If the question is did something happen on tuesday . And trump says it happened on wednesday. If Michael Cohen says it happened on tuesday and the government has some support for that proposition its got to be material. Trump will be involved in a perjury trap. Its got to be material. What i asked you, though, counselor you did a nice job there twisting it around on me. Ill give you that. But let me pull you back with the original question. Do you believe he could sit in the chair and tell the truth the whole time . I think theres a question whether, from past experience, i could count comfortably on him testifying. In fact, when i spoke to him in april, i said to him do not
focus on the bigger question. Think about that. His friend, a counselor who knows him, says yeah, i think theres an issue about whether hed be able to tell the truth the whole time sitting across and hed be concerned the prosecutors are out to get him. Think about that. Now, what does this tell us . Well, if the president is going to say this now, hes going to now argue in the alternative, even if i did know about the scheme to pay off my own peccadillos, i still did nothing wrong. And what is the Alternative Theory . Obama is the Real Campaign criminal. Many are covering these as competing claims. Not here. No false equivalence e y allowe. Facts ahead. Stop dancing around the pain thats keeping you awake. Advil pm gives tossing and turning a rest and silences aches and pains. Fall asleep faster, stay asleep longer with advil pm. Fall asleep faster, stay asleep longer with tripadvisor, finding your Perfect Hotel at the lowest price. Is as easy as dates, deals, done simply enter your destination and dates. And see all the hotels for your stay tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites. To show you the lowest prices. So you can get the best deal on the right hotel for you. Dates, deals, done tripadvisor. Visit tripadvisor. Com
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2 dogs and jake over here . That would be great. That would be great. That okay with you, jake . Get a portfolio that works for you now and as your needs change from Td Ameritrade investment management. All right. We did a lot of scrubbing on the facts for you tonight. Why . Because we knew President Trump wouldnt admit to what his former lawyer Michael Cohen made clear in court, that trump directed cohen to commit crimes. We knew he was going to go bad on cohen personally. But theres another line of attack that may be his weakest yet. Remember we played you the tape on this show that made it clear that trump was aware of what cohen was doing before he did it. So and you heard his lawyer just say yes, hes lying about that. So the new line is this. Obama did the same thing. In fact, he likes this excuse so much, so nice, he used it twice. Once in a tweet and then this. They didnt come out of the campaign. They came from me. And i tweeted about it. I dont know if you know. But i tweeted about the payments. But they didnt come out of campaign. In fact, my first question when i heard about it was did they come out of the campaign . Because that could be a little dicey. And they didnt come out of the campaign. And thats fake. But they werent thats not its not even a campaign violation. If you look at president obama, he had a Massive Campaign violation but he had a different Attorney General and they viewed it a lot differently. Here we dont just listen. We test. First off, the only thing that trump is right about is that there was a violation involving the Obama Campaign, a big one. Youve got to remember, every conspiracy theory, like every lie, theyre all fed by a kernel of truth. But this story that hes telling
is all cob except for that one kernel. Obama didnt do anything personally. His campaign. Okay . Obama for america. They did plenty. They failed to report 1,300 contributions within 48 hours as required by law. And that campaign received some contributions. It also exceeded allowable limits. In total, the contributions amounted about 2 million. So the Campaign Paid a percentage. 375,000 in fines. It sounds like a lot. And it was. But relatively, in the words of one election attorney, obama was the first billiondollar president ial campaign. So proportionally, its not that out of line. Regardless, it was still wrong. And trump and anyone else who says this type of violation is nothing needs to remember how little control we have on Campaign Contributions to begin with. So reporting really counts. All right. Im digressing. Heres what really matters here. Okay . Now, what happened here in the cohen case is a different animal entirely. This has nothing to do with the Campaign Apparatus and everything to do with trump, his lawyer, and their sneaky scheme to avoid more damage to his campaign. Cohen admitted to making illegal Campaign Contributions for the principal purpose of influencing an election. And he tied it directly to the president , saying he was acting at the president s direction. He said someone then running for federal office. Obviously its donald trump. When he paid off Karen Mcdougal and Stormy Daniels. So the president s argument that cohen didnt commit a crime just isnt true. How do we know . Title 52 of the u. S. Code. All right . Now, you compare that to the Obama Campaign violation. Its like comparing apples to, you know, elephants. The obama matter was settled as a civil matter with the f. E. C. All right . Cohen intentionally committed a crime and is going to prison. And by the way, if the president wants to compare his campaign to obamas, this is why i popped this up. Trumps team also got in trouble in 2016 for improperly handling Campaign Contributions. About 1,100 donations were made to Trumps Campaign in violation of Campaign Finance laws including donations that exceeded the allowable limit in a year. So not only did obama not do what trump did, but yes, trump did do what obamas campaign did. Now, cohen paying his peccadillos, for his peccadillos. Him saying he didnt know. The real problem here is lying. So first trump said i know nothing about these women, i know nothing about what cohen did. Then he said, well, all right, i know a Little Something but i didnt know anything before, i only knew after. Thats what hes saying today. But we know about the tape. The tape that we got here on this show that makes it clear that at a time before cohen made a payment trump clearly knew and was directing him. Listen. I need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david so that im going to do that right away. Ive actually come up and ive spoken to Allen Weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up with so what are you going to pay . Funding yes. And its all the stuff. You never know where that company you never know maybe he gets hit by a truck. Correct. So im all over that. Spi spoke to allen about it. When it comes down for the financing which would be what financing . Well have to pay something pay cash. No, no, no. Ive got no, no, no. That was before he made the payment. You hear trump. He knows whats going on. Hes lying to your face when he says he didnt know until after. So now hes saying you know what, forget about what i said about what i knew or what i didnt know and when, i paid all of it back. So first of all, we dont know that for a fact. But lets assume it. Lets give the president the benefit of the doubt. I paid all of it back, so no one contributed anything for me. I call this going the full buckley versus vallejo, for you scotus scholars. Thats a case that says you can spend as much of your own money as you want on your own campaign. Money is seen as political speech. But even if that were true, the president still didnt report it. Anywhere. And that alone would trigger the statute and put him in violation of the law. So then he says, please, no one gets prosecuted for that. Tell john edwards. His Hush Money Scheme was handled in similar fashion and he was tried. He was prosecuted. He was acquitted but after a
full trial. And then today trumps Sarah Sanders took it a step further. Not only did trump do nothing illegal, as cohen accuses, but listen to this. No. Im not going to play it for you. She says he did nothing wrong. Okay . So lying to you is not wrong. Lying repeatedly about criminal conduct is not wrong. I showed you the facts. You can conclude quickly that this trumpian bar of no crime means i did nothing wrong, that my friends is wrong. So what is going to happen with all this politically . The democrats are playing it in an interesting way. Okay . Theyre not talking impeachment. Theyre saying no, no, no, were not ready for that, lets see what happens. But they are now using it as a way to perhaps stop Trumps Supreme Court pick. Is that going to work here . Were going to be talking about that and see if the cohenmanafort developments are a game changer the way Chuck Schumer says they are. What do you say . A great debate for you. Next. Sarah always chooses to take the stairs. The president told you, dont believe what youre reading or seeing. Is that because what youre seeing and hearing prove that hes lying . Lets ask our great debaters to take it on. Jennifer granholm and steve cortes. Steve, lets see if we can go 2 for 2 on the candor meter. His former Attorney Says youve got to focus on collusion, but in terms of whether or not hes lying about these payments, yeah, hes lying and the public has a right to be upset about that. Will you own that reality as well . Well, listen, we have to be very careful about the facts here. And chris, when you keep playing that tape, youre misrepresenting the facts because that tape is talking about the payments to Karen Mcdougal which were made by American Media and assuming that david is david pecker in that tape the fact of the matter is neither trump nor cohen ever paid them. So youre conflating two stories. The Stormy Daniels payment is totally different from the Karen Mcdougal payment. So trump can truthfully say that
he didnt know about that no, no, no. Because there was no payment. I give you that they are different payments. I never said anything else, by the way. Ive always represented that was about Karen Mcdougal and david pecker. However and also, youre assuming that david pecker doesnt say the same thing that Michael Cohen does. Youd better check your facts. However, the point remains the same, steve. Ill bounce it over to you, jennifer granholm. He says trump did not pay david pecker. He didnt pay American Media. He didnt pay Karen Mcdougal. Its about what he knew about what was being done on his behalf. Thats why Michael Cohen had to plead guilty to two counts. One for they were discussing paying for something and they never paid for it. Facts are important here, chris. They discussed paying. They never did in that case. No. You are making a distinction that makes no difference in the analysis. It makes all the difference in the world. I can talk about buying a house. If i dont buy it i didnt buy it. Did you know that we were considering you buying a house and how to do it . Did you know or not . Thats thats not material. Its absolutely material. Hes not lying because he didnt do it. Thats not the standard of whether or not hes lying about knowing about what was going on. Jennifer granholm, whats your case . I mean, really, steve, bless your heart for trying to get trump out of this soup, but he knew that he was paying off women. Thats the bottom line. And its a good thing that weve got evidence other than Michael Cohens testimony. Theres the tape. And who knows what other evidence that the Mueller Investigation has thats Documentary Evidence or Testimonial Evidence from other people. What is Allen Weisselberg saying . We dont have any idea whats behind the scenes. But as to this notion that trump did not know, its totally by the tape. And even if he knew doesnt matter hes not a crime. And i paid all the money that
was paid by Michael Cohen so nobody contributed anything for me. Theres still the Recording Requirement in the statute, steve. So there would still be a legal aspect thats not true. Thats not true. If and again, we have to be careful here. Election law is clear. If an expenditure would have been made, irrespective of the campaign, thats the phrase thats used in election law, if it would have been made anyway then it is not deemed Michael Cohen said he made it to Michael Cohen the felon and dishonest rat said that. And were going to take his word as gospel truth the president sure disagrees with you about what Michael Cohen is. He said he was a good man. An honorable man. Hes suddenly George Washington who cant tell a lie. Michael cohen was facing really serious crimes because he faces crimes that had nothing to do with President Trump. Because of that the prosecutors were able to squeeze him and put him in the corner as they often do because of what he did they were able to squeeze him. And admit to a noncrime because its not a crime. You spend money on your campaign and you dont record it its a crime. Now, im not saying that theyre going after the president for it. I dont think they can. Not just in substance but in style. I dont think they can do it with him in office. And i think thats why they didnt even use his name in the information. But it does go to lying. I give it to jay goldberg for being honest about that, that the president s not telling the truth. Now we have the question before i let you guys go of the implications. I get having this argument, jennifer granholm. I dont understand using it as leverage on the kavanaugh nomination. During the clinton situation you had Stephen Breyer come up and he went right through in the process. It wasnt used as a bargaining chip. Why use it as one now . Because this particular nominee has an unusually expansive view of executive power. He was selected by donald trump because donald trump picks people who are going to help
him. They went through his entire record, and they know that this particular nominee believes that president s should be above the law, immune from prosecution, immune from subpoenas. He even went so far as to say the unanimous Supreme Court decision that called for the release of the watergate tapes shouldnt have come down that way. So this particular nominee was selected by donald trump because donald trump knew the Mueller Investigation was coming. This nominee does not like independent counsels. So youve got to look at all of it in that context, that he was picked out by trump for the purpose of protecting himself because he knew that A Mueller Potential Case was going to come to the Supreme Court. Steve cortes, im short on time but in the interest of fairness give me a button. Theres a lot of conjecture from jennifer. If you want to stop a Supreme Court nominee, control the presidency and the senate look at his record. The democrats have done neither. So to me thats the way if you want to stop a nominee. Not by making up wild
accusations only from Michael Cohen that are totally uncorroborated no, no, no. Youve got to look at his written record. Im not talking about weve got to look at all of it. Jennifers right about that. His words. Hold on. Weve got to leave it there. But we will look at everything. Theyre going to have the hearings. Were going to be testing it here. And im going to be using you two to help the audience understand the issues better. Steve, jevon, thank you. Thanks. Troubles for President Trump extend beyond Campaign Finance violations. Why . Because cohens lawyer says his client has information he can share with people like the new York Attorney general, who may be looking at the trump foundation, like the mueller probe. Maybe information on what the president may have known about the fruits of russian hacking. Okay . Were going to see what a former top spy thinks about the potential here. Former cia director michael hayden. Next. When you start sleeping on a tempurpedic,
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investigation, the Southern District of new york, and they appear to be peeling this back one layer at a time so that we find the truth. And chris, i was struck listening to other parts of the show and some of the things that the president s been saying, it reminded me of an instant 30 years ago when i was the Military Attache in the Peoples Republic Of Bulgaria during the communist period. I was talking to a bulgarian communist, political officer, actually. We got into an argument about something. Ive forgotten the topic. I simply said to him at one point, colonel, youve got to tell me, what is the meaning of truth to you . And he came back to me, truth, michael, is what serves the party. And i think were seeing a dose of that here in North America that i never expected to see. Well, look, you just heard his selfdescribed friend, his counselor of over 20 years, someone he called about how to deal with the cohen situation, say yeah, hes lying about what he knew about the payments. And the people are going to have to judge him for that. But its not a crime. I mean, its just an afterthought for people who seem to know the president that yeah, hes lying, thats what it is. Thats a new thing for us to deal with. No, it really is. And thats why i was reminiscing about this experience in a communist country. I saw it there. I never expected to see it here. Now, were talking about moving forward on the investigation with Michael Cohen. And ive heard several of your guests point out you cant rely on what he says because hes under duress, the government can coerce him. And without trying to draw too close a parallel here, chris, we used to hold some folks at cia too that we were trying to pressure to tell us things that we needed to know. And i will tell you, the most powerful tool we had in making sure they tell us the truth wasnt our ability to put pressure on them. The most powerful tool we had was all the other things we knew
because we could use that knowledge then to keep them off balance, to press them and to make them tell us more than they would otherwise be willing to tell us. I think when it comes to Michael Cohen in terms of collusion and other things that mr. Mueller and others are investigating i think they know an awful lot. And so i think they will actually be able to get to the truth no matter how much mr. Cohen is incentivized to embellish his story for his own personal gain. You know, a guy i consult with all the time whos a retired former prosecutor said know dont be so simple in your analysis, dont make it sound like everything has to rest on Michael Cohen. He can just be a corroborating asset for investigators, that other people were in the room, theyll go to those people, theyll push on those people, theyll see if they corroborate what cohen does. They may see it coming, they may not. So theres a lot of different ways this may go, especially if hes willing to sxwopt supposedly he is. General hayden, you are always a
plus, sir. If you thank you for the value added. Thank you. All right. Im going to ask you a question. What matters more, the murder of a young woman or the legal reckoning the president suffered yesterday . What a horrible question. Why would anyone even dare to compare those two things . Well, some are doing exactly that. Lets see it for what it is. Next. David. Whats going on . Oh hey thats it . Yeah. Thats it . Everybody two seconds dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance. Through the Tuition Assistance program, every day mcdonalds helps more people go to college. Its part of our commitment to being americas best first job. At at t innovations, we give you more for your thing. Here were adding tv and movies from our unlimited plan to the powerful new Samsung Galaxy note9. The perfect device for entertainment productivity. So, its essentially the ed helms of devices . How so . Well hes both very entertaining and very productive. You think . Yeah, i do. And thats my completely unbiased opinion. Buy a galaxy note9 and get one free. More for your thing. Thats our thing. I want to show you a picture of Mollie Tibbetts. She was just 20 years old. She should have been just starting her second year in college. By all accounts she had everything going for her and was well liked. And one night she goes out for a run last month. Never comes home. Yesterday investigators were led and they found her body. They were led there by the man they suspect of killing her. His name is cristhian rivera. Officials say he is in the country illegally. And now what was done to her has been coopted for political purposes, including the president who seized on yet another murder to make the point that his Immigration Position must be embraced. Lets bring in don lemon. This Isnt The First Time weve seen this. And its very powerful stuff. Because the murder is wrong. The murder is heinous and ugly. And but for the fact that this man was in this place illegally it wouldnt have happened. But how its used and what it is set up as is a Dividing Line is also an ugly situation. Yeah. Listen, my heart goes out to mollie first of all, Mollie Tibbetts and her family. It should not have happened. It is awful, chris. But its we can want to fix our Immigration System without demonizing immigrants or Illegal Immigrants. And i just want to say that this is 2015 National Academy of Sciences Study found that immigrants are in fact much less likely to commit crimes than natives. And the 2017 study found that Illegal Immigrants are 44 less likely to be incarcerated than natives. Legal immigrants are 69 less likely to be incarcerated than native, meaning native americans. Listen, we have problems with crime. And thats committed by people who are american, who were born here, people who are here illegally, that should not happen, and unfortunately there are people who are here illegally who commit crimes as well. But we should not use those people as a political pawn and not use the facts. We can want people to come here legally. We should want them to stay within the law, just as we would want our president to stay within the law as well and to tell the truth. We can want all of those things at the same time. True. Doesnt preclude the other. Give me a quick taste, what do you have coming up . Dan rather to talk about everything thats happening now. He lived it. He lived watergate. Yeah. I want of course, im going to ask him, does this, you know, history doesnt repeat itself, but it often rhymes. If this is rhyming or just repeating itself. Dan rather, to me, is a lend. He used to sit in one of these chairs for a very long time through some of the most Tumultuous Times in American History and want to get his
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is what they like to call an illegal alien or something worse. Kate steinle, now Mollie Tibbetts. They put their faces out there almost Like Campaign posters. And the political pitch follows soon thereafter. If youre not with the president on how to deal with illegal entrants and really, his hostility toward all immigrants, you are disrespecting these victims and their families and putting others in danger. I dont accept that. Now, i do agree, of course, these murders are horrible. They do show a good reason to prevent illegal entry. Because, yes, but for the killers being here illegally, that is the fact and these two young people would be alive if not for that fact. So would a lot of other people who are not young white women who have been murdered by illegal entrants. However, the idea that murder is a likely consequence of illegal
entrance is bogus. It is a flawed premise, and it is an ugly premise. Why . There is no good data that shows illegal entrants are more of a threat to hurt you. In fact, the data shows they are less of one. Now, trump pilled a number out. 63,000 victims since 9 11. A lot of you echo it to me. It is bs, it is as exaggerated as the larger point that he and his folks want to make. Demonizing people because of their decision to take a shortcut and get here the easy way. And that is what causes illegal entrants most of the time. I wonder if these sympathizers would be as full throated about these tragedies if the killers were white citizens, if the victims were not young white women. If that were the case, would we see a video like this from trump today . Mollie tibbetts, an incredible young woman, is now permanently separated from her family. A person came in from mexico, illegally, and killed her. We need the wall. We need our Immigration Laws changed. Permanently separated. Obvious as it is offensive. So he cares about Mollie Tibbetts more than people who dont believe in separating kids from parents . Or treating undocumented eed immigrants like dogs . Please. What that tells you, that even in this moment, talking about Mollie Tibbetts, he still has to play to political advantage and proof that he still Doesnt Twawant to own what he did to those kids and many of them are still waiting to get back with their parents. We have not forgotten. The president still doesnt think it is wrong. And he thinks grandstanding about tibbetts gives him high ground. Well, it does not. Nor do the people covering this like some kind of gotcha have high ground. Why . These are the same people that tamp down some police use of force cases, and say those cases are being politicized. They mitigate facts. They play the coverage very close to the vest because we dont want it to be about politics, but then they do this. They put families like the tibbetts, like the steinles, like the rich family in the glaring. Seth rich. Remember him . His death, his murder, all about democrat deviousness, until it wasnt. Until the family said, stop doing this to us, theres to proof of what youre saying, go away. And once the political intrigue ran out of the story, did you see dogged coverage by the same people about what happened to seth rich . These victims matter, all of them, because they were stolen from this world and they will never be replaced by their family. But the argument is this