News, analysis and interviews with politicians and observers. Mueller lately. Seems like every ten days or so, this whips back up. You have the manafort trial, as jeff mentioned. I also think he probably doesnt distinguish too much between what mueller is doing and what prosecutors in new york are looking into with cohen. You have that sort of implied threat from cohen over the trump tower meetings. And all this stuff is together. Also at a time when we know his team wants him to focus on what mueller is doing as far as election hacking. We know that trumps team wanted him to try to own this issue, to focus on what we have now, over two dozen russian nationals and companies that have been targeted by mueller. It seems like some real work is being done there to sort of unwind what happened during the 2016 elections, but its hard to for this administration to focus on that or do anything
of New Washington rules. So we dont Know If Mueller will abide by that traditional thinking. But people who know him say he is a traditionalist. He wants to do this by the book. That means, you know, labor day is creeping ever closer. We have about a month. The president s team is certainly aware of that, you know, traditional deadline. So they sense that the clock is ticking down to could be ticking down to something. And i was told this morning that it is what we have talked about so many times around this table and elsewhere, and that is the president , even as he says and is forced to say last week that Russia Meddled in americas election, that the minute he believes the minute he gives an inch on that, then the Conversation Shifts to the legitimacy of his presidency. He would rather have the public fight and the dialogue about meddling rather than the legitimacy of his presidency. So thats what a trump source said to me just this morning. Manu, i want to ask you about Something ElseRudy Giuliani
said on cnn with Alisyn Camerota this morning. The whole collusion was the reason for the mueller probe. Heres what he said. Youre saying that Paul Manafort did not have any power in the campaign . I didnt say that. I said he had a discreet, important area. What im saying is he was never involved in intimate Business Relationships with donald trump. Four months. Youre not going to be colluding about russians, which i dont even know if thats a crime, colluding about russians. You start analyzing the crime. The hacking is the crime. Okay. First of all, colluding im not a lawyer, but i guess i play one on tv. Colluding is not a crime, but the idea of collusion leads to criminal activity like conspiracy. Yeah, conspiracy to violate Election Laws is absolutely a crime. The word collusion, theres no specific statute that says thats a crime if youre simply colluding, but the action and
intent of colluding can lead to all sorts of things, conspireing to defraud the united states, false statements presumably if one of the witnesses said something that wasnt true. So theres a legal side about this, but theres also the political side. Look at the explanations that the trump team has given about collusion since 2016 and contacts with russians. Hope hicks initially said there was no contact whatsoever between anyone in the campaign and russians. Then it was, oh, well, no one actually colluded. Now its well, collusion is not a crime. So what does it mean . Maybe it means that they understand what bob mueller is looking into, they are Feeling Pressure from the mueller team, and the president may be moving the goalposts a little bit. Clearly theres a lot more that the trump team appears to be concerned about. Also, just embedded in that statement that Rudy Giuliani just made was a little bit of wiggle room on the notion that maybe collusion is something that could be entertained. Im guessing that the president
heard that and went, what . Did you see my big sharpie letters . There was no collusion. He also tried to make clear that trump was not at that Don Junior Trump Tower meeting with the russians. It was more of a narrow denial than theyve done in the past. I wonder if it has anything to do with the report from last week about the fact that trump may have known about this. And giuliani has said to me theyve been getting a lot of additional inquiries from reporters about various meetings that may or may not have happened. Anyway, we have a lot more to talk about on this subject. Everybody stand by. Up next, the president s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, weve been talking about him. Hes working overtime defending his client. Its already been an exhausting day. Remember when you said you would stay all day to talk about this . Okay. Ill stay one more time. But youve got to get me some coffee. When i found out i had agerelated macular degeneration, amd, i wanted to fight back. 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Whats in it for Michael Cohen to say that the president knew about that meeting . Why is he lying about that . Youve got to be kidding me. How does that help . Hes the big fish. You dont give up what is cohen going to do . A couple taxicab drivers to get him out of jail . Okay. So lets talk about that. Youre a big fish. Im a huge fish. Yeah, i mean, hes obviously very concerned about what Michael Cohen may be saying, may be willing to tell the special counsel, what he may be willing to say to the Southern District of new york where cohen is under a lot of pressure, facing a criminal investigation, and the president does not know where this is going. It is also interesting that, you know, the reports of whether or not the president himself knew about that trump tower meeting in advance. If it is the case, then it could open up other people within the trump orbit to significant legal pressure, including donald trump jr. , who testified before the Senate Judiciary committee of not of saying his father did not know in advance about this meeting and according to our reports from last week, cohen is ready to say that donald trump jr. Did tell his father about that meeting. So Michael Cohen presents a significant threat to the president if he does go forward with any of these reports. Thats probably one reason why giuliani is saying what hes saying. Because you brought up your reporting, i want to skip to the whole question about whether or not Michael Cohen is required to or should go back to congress. Lindsey graham, republican of south carolina, says he should because he testified, as you said, answered questions, rather, for hours and hours and hours. Democrats are saying, well, we tried and we couldnt. Watch this. Michael cohen has already appeared before Congress Talking about a lot of things, and this idea that he told trump about the russian meeting before it happened is, to us, very much new news. So mr. Cohen, if you got something new to say, you need to come to congress and say it under oath. But at each time when we asked them, okay, make don junior answer, the republicans would say, were here under a voluntary interview scheme. Thats a voluntary scheme they set up because they didnt want to subpoena them and bring them in. So they protected them at every
single stop. And since they ended their investigation, weve learned about cambridge analytica. Weve learned about roger stones extensive contacts. Were learning more about Michael Cohen. As we discuss what we just heard, i want to tell our viewers were looking at the president at the white house waiting for the italian prime minister, who looks like he just drove up. Hes going to greet the prime minister. Theyre going to go in for a meeting in the oval office. Well hear from them hopefully then and more formally later this afternoon. I dont think we can hear anything. Somebodys try to ask a question. Hang on. Okay. So as were watching that, lets discuss the whole question about Michael Cohen and whether or not they tried to ask the questions about trump tower on capitol hill. Frankly, i think rudy
giuliani and lanny davis, Michael Cohens lawyer, are trying to confuse the American Public about what is going on. And they have a really good political reason to do that. Of course, this whole investigation could end up being a political process if it goes to impeachment. So theyre doing exactly politically what makes sense. But i think that congress has a responsibility to have these guys come up, have them testify in an open way, where the public can hear, like was done in watergate, so the American People can actually cut through some of the spin and hear whats happening. And i wonder if there will be an increasing amount of pressure on congress to do just that. Because its really hard for anyone, certainly for voters with midterms coming up, to understand what exactly is going on here and what is true and what isnt. Thats a great point. Im guessing that ship sailed a while ago. Real quick, Chuck Grassley would not say this morning whether or not Michael Cohen should come before his committee. Thats interesting. Before we go to break, though, i want to talk about the human drama here. Were talking understandably about the legal aspects, the
political aspects, but this guy, Michael Cohen, was the person who famously infamously said he would take a bullet for the president. Now hes turning them metaphorically on the president. Listen to what Rudy Giuliani said. We dont hear a lot of allusions to history or literature, but we did this morning. He turned out to have a close friend betray him like brutus put the last knife into cesar. Take me into the president s sort of emotional and mental state on the notion of this guy who was so loyal to him that he did his dirty work, frankly, and now hes in a public spat with him and a legal spat. I mean, there are few things that infuriate donald trump more than somebody who he believes is supposed to protect him who does not have his back. You heard him for weeks and weeks say, you know, michael
cohens a good guy, hes going to do the right thing. He was outraged when the prosecutors broke into his office and said this was beyond the pail. Now that he realized he actually he knows he has the information. Hes known that for a long time, that he has whatever he might need to possibly potentially damage the president in a very profound way. Now that he realizes hes willing to do that and that Michael Cohen feels he has a big enough legal problem that hes entertaining that possibility, he is just he couldnt be more infuriated with him. I think this is part of the larger Public Relations effort that giuliani is trying to paint him in the eyes of the public as a desperate person whos willing to lie to bring down the president. The public and the prosecutors. Those are two key things. He admitted it this morning. Everybody stand by. Coming up, what a difference a few days makes, especially when it comes to negotiating with the president of the united states. So youre not worried about a government shutdown. Well, thats not going to happen. Duncan just protected his family with a 500,000 Life Insurance policy. How much do you think it cost him . 100 a month . 75 . 50 . Actually, duncan got his 500,000 for under 28 a month. Less than a dollar a day. His secret . Selectquote. In just minutes, a selectquote agent will comparison shop nearly a dozen highlyrated Life Insurance companies, and give you a choice of your five best rates. Duncans Wife Cassie Got A 750,000 policy for under 22 a month. Give your family the security it needs at a price you can afford. Oh oh ozempic® vo people with type 2 diabetes
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gop leaders thought they had all agreed they would take off the table ahead of the Midterm Elections. Listen. Im told based on people who were briefed on the meeting the president was amenable to the suggestion, agreed he would be patient on things like wall funding and agreed he didnt want to step on the cabinet nomination. Now everything can change based on a tweet, based on how the president feels. Things are kind of on a good path at the moment. Oh, he was so right to be skeptical and use every kind of condition in that sentence as possible. Someone maybe should have knocked on wood. 20 minutes later, the president tweeted. Heres what he said. I would be willing to shut down government if the democrats do not give us the votes for border security, which includes the wall. You can sum up the republican sentiment this way. One senior gop aide tells cnn the president was just, quote, letting off some steam at our expense, per kwususual. Talk about expenses. Phil mattingly joins me live from the hill. I have to say, phil, im starting to think maybe the president was trolling you. Reporter yeah, i mean, look, to say that on Live Television and then 20 minutes later have the president try and undercut the entire point and all of your reporting, it hurt a little bit, to be completely honest with you. But as you noted, the evergreen caveat of there could be a tweet. So smart. Reporter the issue, dana, is that this is kind of one of the Under The Radar success stories, one thats in large part driven by the president. You remember when he signed, grudgingly, that 1. 3 trillion omnibus in march. He made clear he was never going to do that again. And as such, that has been a Driving Force behind bipartisan negotiations, particularly in the senate. Senator richard shelby, senator pat leahy to actually Reach Agreement on spending bills, something that hasnt happened on the hill for years. You know as well as anybody, careening from Shutdown Crisis to Shutdown Crisis, continuing resolution to continuing
resolution. They are on pace by the end of this week, the senate will have pass the seven Appropriations Bills. The house has already moved through committee all 12 of theirs. The basic idea is get as many done as possible and then have a very small continuing resolution to deal with before the end of october and get it off the plate before the election. Heres the issue. I think this has always been the case. Its really twofold. One, the president s insistence on wall funding. Two, im told Nick Mulvaney wants to cut spending, something that because theres a bipartisan deal isnt really on the table right now. The latter will be dealt with later. The former, as i noted in that clip, was that they had a meeting, Speaker Paul Ryan and Mitch Mcconnell with the president , where the president made clear to them, im told by multiple people, he would wait for the wall fight until after the election. Thats basically the plan. The bottom line, dana, is this. There will be a shutdown fight. Leaders just want it to be in december, not in september. Now, as i noted, aides are saying they think hes just trying to blow off steam, they think the fight will still happen in december. But the idea this is still up in
the air and still really at the mercy of 280 characters means that even though this is moving well right now, anything could happen. I still think he was trolling you, but well see. I guess trolling you is maybe less consequential than shutting the government down. So well see. Thank you so much for that report, phil. And phil made a really important point about the Under The RadarSuccess Story on capitol hill with the Congress Actually doing their job. I pause at success because is it really success . If you do your homework, are you told that youre successful . Are you told youre just doing your homework and thats your job . The job of the congress is to fund the government. Theyre supposed to pass 12 Appropriations Bills and send each of them separately to the president s desk every single fiscal year. But the norm has been they couldnt get their act together for various reasons, and theyve been sending these giant
spending bills and wednesday up in this shutdown. They have been working in a bipartisan way. I think Congress Never gets credit for things, understandably, and the times they do things, they should get credit. Having said that, we are now at the beginning of a fiveweek recess for the house of represe representatives. Senate is still there because they have nominations theyre going to work on. Check out this calendar were working with here because of the house all going home to campaign and work at home. You really only have 11 legislative days. They come back on the 4th, the end of the fiscal year is the 30th. So this is a real deadline, even though it seems very far away. I think the deadline is real. Im not so sure the shutdown is real. We know trump is kind of capable of anything here. He wanted to blow up the budget earlier this year against basically the wishes of everyone in his administration. They talked him out of that. So i think the threat is real, but i sort of think that the reality is closer to what mitch
mcconnell is saying. This discussion just happened a couple days ago. Congress, as you point out, is gone for a while here. The president is wound up about a number of things. He likes to create a lot of news. Theres i think he even understands the political risks that this would cause. And our latest reporting at the Wall Street Journal put a Phil Mattingly caveat in there, its only the latest reporting, i havent talked to anyone. Put your phone down, mr. President. But our reporting at the Wall Street Journal is that trump and Mcconnell Have become quite close since the Tax Legislation. The relationship was frayed after the health care bill. Its become tighter after the Tax Legislation to the point where trump actually checked in with mcconnell during the West Virginia primary to see how he could help before he tweeted, which is kind of astonishing for the era were in now. Given all those facts, i think i mean, we at the wall
street journal, we sort of are Spitballi Spitballing questions ahead of trumps News Conference this afternoon. A threat of the shutdown, i was arguing, should be pushed down the list. Its the third topic were talking about here today for a reason. It just doesnt seem like it seems like even this president understands what hes doing here. It could also blow up his Supreme Court nomination fight. A prolonged shutdown could undercut any effort they have to keep the house, the senate. It looks like trump is the one whos responsible for this. So im very skeptical. If trump wants to dig in, hes probably going to get rolled by Mitch Mcconnell and paul ryan. Hell have to accept a shortterm increase. When we say blowing off steam, for him thats dont forget about my border wall, fund my border wall. And he does think the border wall and immigration are good politics for him. The president said he wants the midterms to be fought over immigration. His assessment that many republicans on the Campaign Trail and in congress do not agree with. Theres a little bit of a political dispute over how much immigration should play in the midterms, but it does feel like a shutdown is certainly not inevitable. Okay. I agree with all of you, but that doesnt mean we cant put up a fun fact. The last time there was a shutdown, it was in 2013 over health care. You know what happened in that Midterm Election . Afterwards in 2014, there actually was a net gain on the gop side of nine seats in the senate and 13 in the house. To be fair, there was a democrat in the white house. But it was republicans who led the shutdown. Okay. Up next. You sound like steve bannon there. No comment. Up next, 85 years young, Supreme CourtJustice Ruth Bader ginsburg reveals her Retirement Plans or lack thereof. Nts ordinary versus overachiever. Behr premium plus, behr through it all with a toprated paint at a great price. Find it exclusively at the home depot. Whos already won three cars, two motorcycles, a boat, and an r. V. I would not want to pay that insurance bill. [ ding ] oh, i have progressive, so i just bundled everything with my home insurance. Saved me a ton of money. Love you, gary you dont have to buzz in. Its not a question, gary. On march 1, 1810 [ ding ] frederic chopin. Collapsing in 226 [ ding ] the colossus of rhodes. [ sighs ] Louise Dustmann [ ding ] brahms lullaby, or wiegenlied. When will it end . [ ding ] not today, ron. Run off in the florida primary next month. In the ad, desantis and his family remind voters that he has the president s support and that the feeling is mutual. He reads stories. Then mr. Trump said, youre fired. I love that part. People say rons all trump, but he is so much more. Big league, so good. And talk about the retirement of another Supreme Court justice is just that, talk. At least if its ruth bader ginsburg. She says shes in no rush to hang up her robe. In fact, she says she hopes to stay on the bench for another five years at least. Shes 85 and remarkably fit. We cant get enough of this video of her planking. Its from cnn films documentary about her life. Ive heard she does 20 pushups three times a week or something. I mean, we cant even get off the floor. We cant even get down to the
floor. Thats true. And after sitting on the fence, senator rand paul says hell support the man hoping to fill Justice Anthony kennedys seat on the Supreme Court. The Kentucky Republican tweeted after meeting judge kavanaugh and reviewing his record, ive decided to support his nomination. No one will ever completely agree with the nominee unless, of course, you are the nominee. Each nominee, however, must be judged on the totality of their views, character, and opinions. Meanwhile, an undecided red state democrat meets Brett Kavanaugh today. Senator joe manchin says hes hearing from hundreds of West Virginians concerned about the nomination. Manchin says hell examine kavanaughs opinion on health care as a new round of ads target the senator. Joe manchin isnt being straight with West Virginians, saying his vote on kavanaugh is about health care, a dishonest Talking Point he got from liberal chuck schumer. Tell joe manchin you wont be
fooled by his tricks and you wont forget how he votes on kavanaugh. Back around the table. Manu, this is the first democrat to meet with kavanaugh so far. Hes in a real pickle. He is. Manchin. He is. If he votes for kavanaugh, hes going to infuriate the democratic base. I know its a conservative state, but he does need to get those liberal voters out to the polls and look at the primary that he just went through in West Virginia. He did not get a lot of support from those same core democratic voters. So hes in a bind because hes getting hit from the right and left. This is going to be a difficult vote. And the way hes setting it up is talking pretty extensively about kavanaughs writings and views on obamacare, which is, you know, somebody said it was risky. I think its actually kind of clever because that is an issue that is universally a big one among people who voted for trump and manchin and even those who didnt. That is an issue that activates the core democrats he
needs to have on his siede, but he also steers clear of talking about abortion rights, gay rights, all of the social sort of cultural hotbutton issues that could alienate the republicans and swing voters he would need to win that race. So thats clearly where hes going to have his focus in order to potentially limit his liability if he does decide to vote for kavanaugh. A lot of pressure on him and the other red state democrats. Never mind those two moderate republican women. Okay. Up next, were going to go to california and have some information and updates on those raging wildfires burning across parts of Northern California and one familys heartbreaking story. Thats ahead. Yep. Youre on the hook for the rest. So consider an aarp Medicare Supplement insurance plan, insured by Unitedhealthcare Insurance Company. A plan like this helps pay some of what medicare doesnt. So you could end up paying less. And these are the only plans of their kind endorsed by aarp. Selected for meeting their high standards of quality and service. Call Unitedhealthcare Insurance Company now to request this free Decision Guide, and learn more. Like, Medicare Supplement plan, give you the freedom to go with any doctor who accepts medicare patients. Its nice to have a choice. And your coverage goes with you, anywhere you travel in the country. We have grandkids out of state. They love our long visits. Not sure about their parents, though. Call unitedhealthcare and ask for your free Decision Guide today. I knew at that exact moment. Im beating this. My main focus was to find a team of doctors. Its not just picking a surgeon, its picking the care team and feeling secure in where you are. Visit cancercenter. Com breast
its a coming. The fire is coming in the back door. Come on, grandpa. Im right down the road. He said, come and get us. Emily said, i love you, grandpa. And junior says, i love you. Come and get us. Come and get us. I said, im on my way. My wife was the greatest woman in the world and my grandkids were excellent. A heartbreaking story from 76yearold man, rather, that you just heard describing a final phone call with his loved ones. He lost his wife and two grandchildren in that massive wild fire burning through parts of Northern California. At least six people have died. Several more are missing. I want to get straight to cnns dan simon who is joining me live now from reading. Dan, i cant even imagine having to conduct that interview. It sounded like he just understandably wanted to talk. Reporter well, it is one of
the most difficult interviews i have ever conducted, dana. This is a man who is broken after losing the most important people in his life, his wife was taking care of their great grandchildren. They had raised them since birth. Theyre talking about james who they call junior and emily and on thursday night 7 00 p. M. Ed decides hes going to leave the house really to run a quicker land. Then about 15 minutes later he gets a frantic phone call that the flames were quickly approaching his house. Ill let ed pick up the story from here. I raised them and took care of them, taught them everything they know, me and grandma. I left and went to town. My wife called me and said, we can see the fire way over there, you need to come and get me. Im on my way. I throwed down everything. I got up on the hill and there was two or three or four lanes of traffic wouldnt let me down in there. Weve been there for days in the same situation but we didnt
know the fire was coming down in there. They told us the fire was going south. Well, as you can imagine, he is feeling a tremendous amount of guilt over what happened but, dana, he also points out nobody ever told him that he should evacuate. That goes to show you how fast this fire spread. Let me explain where we are, dana. This is redding. This is lake redding estates. Much of the neighborhood looks much like this. Were talking about 700 homes, more than 700 homes that have burned to the ground. Fire crews are now beginning to make some progress. This fire is 20 contained. That doesnt sound like a lot but 24 hours ago it was 5 contained. We now understand that the fire is burning away from populated areas. Dana . I mean, there just arent any words. As we see at the bottom of our screen there are still seven missing as this is continuing to
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a. J jmpj. Sulsgberger. The president responded with a series of tweets saying, quote, he wont allow our great country to be sold out by the Antitrump Haters in the dying new hampshi hampshirenewspaper industry. Your publisher is one of my heroes. It isnt the fake news. Thats bad. Thats really bad. But the enemy of the people is dangerous. Well, absolutely. I mean, this was lets not forget, it was supposed to be an off the record meeting that the president chose to divulge and gives the lies of the made up sources and conversations that never happened. This is an example of one of these things that was supposed to be a discussion between the publisher and the president. Be that as they may, they did talk about fake news. The president said some Foreign Countries have banned fake news and a. J. Sulzberger pointed out those are autocratic countries and he came to the meeting intending to sulzberger pointed those are autocratic countries and he came to the meeting intending to raise the point that this is giving rise to raise of threats to journalists and weve had to get protection 24 7. The president was surprised we didnt have it. This was an opportunity for the president to air some of his grievances. A. G. Sulzberger shared what it was on the Journalism Industry and journalists and the country more prodly. He didnt learn anything from it, the president , because this