Len downey will be here with some lessons from the year 2000. Nikole hannahjones, david zuraw zurawik, many more coming up. First, there are new signs of democratic backsliding all around us. Is america slouching toward autocracy . If so, what prodemocracy steps should be taken . And by who . And whats the role of the press during times like this . I have answers coming, i promise. First, look at the evidence with me. Every day it is something new. Political scientists are issuing starker and starker warnings about erosions of democratic norms in the United States. Warnings about things like this, President Trump stoking fears about voter fraud. Saying the election will be rigged unless he wins. There are so many disturbing stories in the news, many of them that tie back to the governments failures in ways that point toward authoritarianism. Look, americas failure to control the coronavirus pandemic is related to all of this. The country is nearing 200,000 plus deaths and yet the falsehoods continue from the Trump Administration undermining career scientists who have been trying to get this virus under control. The cdc, for example, bowing to pressure from the administration. The New York Times has had great reporting on this in the past few days. The president continues to talk about a vaccine as if its right around the corner and everybodys going to be fine, spreading false hope. These disturbing stories in the news. I always wonder, how does the rest of the world see this . How does the rest of the world view this . So, were going to get to that in a moment. There aren have been headlines this week about bill barr that have shocked political is scientists and others and then the president s continued attacks on the media. He actually said one of the worst things hes ever said about the press the other day at a rally in minnesota. This was on friday. The president s been up there talking lately about cnbc anchoranchor ali velshi. First, he gets his name wrong. The president said he works at cnn but he works at msnbc. He celebrates the fact that velshi was hit and injured while covering a peaceful protest in minnesota last spring. Lets play the president s words so you can see for yourself. I remember this guy welshi he got hit on the knee with a canister of tear gas and he went down. He was down. My knee, my knee. Nobody cared. These guys didnt care. They moved him aside and they just walked right it was the most beautiful thing. The most beautiful thing, he says. And his supporters cheered. Lets show what actually happened, first of all, it didnt happen the way the president described. We can show that video of what actually happened. Velshi was hit by a rubber bullet. While he was not in any sort of sense intruding, he was not in the way of police. It seemed like he was targeted at the time. Well show you the video of what actually happened here. This was in minneapolis. This was months ago, but for some reason the president keeps bringing it up and keeps mocking this reporters injury. Thats not democracy. Thats an autocratic thing to do. To sow hatred of the press and celebrate a reporter being injured. He was putting himself in harms way in order to explain what was happening on the streets of minneapolis. He did not break any law. He was not in the way of the police. The president doesnt care about any of that. He brought it up against last night at a rally. So, let me show you the statement from msnbc because i think its important that news outlets show solidarity at moments like this. They are right when they say, freedom of the press is a pillar of our democracy when President Trump mocks injuries while putting himself in harms way to inform the public, he endangers thousands of other journalists and undermines our freedoms. Thats absolutely correct. This is not just about msnbc and not just about ali velshi. Its about the role of the press and the society, the role of the press in a democracy, right . I lot of people dont care about the president s words anymore, theyre worthless, he he contradicts himself all the time and lies through his teeth, but his supporters, his base does listen and does believe what he says. So, when he mocks and celebrates a reporters injury, they hear that loud and clear. Its dangerous. And its autocratic. Of course, were in the season of democracy, the season of an election, and americans are exercising their freedom. Their freedom to vote. The elections already under way and we should cover it that way. We see the lines in fairfax, virginia, for example. We see in other states lines of people making sure they cast their vote early. But in virginia, lets put that video back up, in virginia a group of poll workers and some voters said they felt intimidated when a group of Trump Supporters showed up and held sort of a mini rally, a peaceful protest near the voting center. That happened on saturday. The New York Times headline was pretty clear, saying those folks felt intimidated outside. That doesnt happen in the United States. Its not supposed to happen here. So, we have to cover these events cleareyed. There has always been a segment of the population, a minority of the population that has authoritarian preferences. Basically the desire for a stronger leader to provide protection, fewer checks and balances to get in the way. Theres always been a minority of americans who would cheer for someone being shot at a protest. Hit by a rubber bullet. Thats always been a minority of the country. Trump has activated that segment. Created permission structures for those americans to get very loud about their authoritarian preferences. And thats what we see with this talk about ali velshi back in minnesota. So, i guess what im wondering this morning, what i want to find out from our guest is whether americans are too close to these stories to see whats going on. Do people in other parts of the world see creep canning authoritarianism much more clearly than reporters in d. C. And new york . What does it look like from the outside . Lets talk about it with reporters from around the world. With us now from london is a Foreign Correspondent for the guardian, luke harding. In india, rana ayyub and in kenya, johnallan namu. First, johnallan, to you what does america look like today from nairobi . Its interesting that you ask that because i was just reflecting on whats been going on in america. And its very orweillian, how authoritarian starts to establish itself. This is how it starts. You demonize people who have an opposing view and start to divide people into different sections or subcommunities in order for each to win in whatever fight youre winning. It looks fairly clear whats happening in the states. Although i have to add a caveat to that. Because of the strength of your institutions, having been built over time, be i think what donald trump might come away with is a very new and interesting kind of authoritarianism that, perhaps, isnt as complete as weve seen in other parts of the world but is certainly far, far, far away from what americans have experienced. Its true that americans are too close to this story to understand what is going on. And they should wake up before november. From nairobi to mumbai, rana, you were an investigative journalist, well known throughout india, what do you view whats happening in the United States with President Trump in relation to m on. Di . Everything you say about whats happening with President Trump, calling journalists out, mocking them. I thinkist dangerous living in a parallel reality with that republicmodi. They have displayed this bromance over the years. The muslim ban, in hindu nationalism, in mocking china. Hard line sentiments to basically and that i was there at the rally where millions of indians were present and the moment he spoke about muslim extremism, there was a loud cheer. Whats happening . I like many indians is viewing whats happening in america with a great deal of apprehension and fear and anxiety because this is what authoritarian regimes all over the world that are repeating. Despite their failure in dealing with the pandemic, i mean, india is right behind america with million cases. And despite their failure, despite unemployment, the fact we end up electing reelecting these leaders are is unfortunate. Its disheartening to see whats happening in america. Its something very close. I hope americans wake up and realize that this is this really cant continue. Or that it can happen here, right . It can happen here and maybe it is happening. What about you, luke n london, youre the author of many books including shadow state. Do you see whats happening in Eastern Europe and russia as what is happening now in the United States . Yeah, brian. I do think theres some kind of depressing parallels. I spent four years in moscow where attacks on journalists were happening all the time, where authoritarianism was rampant, where the courts did what they were told, where institutions are being hollowed out made servile and you see similar trends in the trump presidency. I have to say speaking from london to you, it looks like a rolling horror show. One of the questions that keeps churning in my head is if joe biden wins and is able to become president , whether he can reverse everything. Whether he can have restoration of his presidency and we can go from a worm hole back into 2015. Im not convinced he can. I think the forces with which donald trump represents are too powerful, too potent. It looks from the outside as if america is sleepwalking towards what you might call a cold civil war. I know that sounds a bit hyperbolic, but those forces and the fact that people are living in different cognitive bubbles, those who listen to fox, those that watch cnn, parallel realities where theres no mutual understanding. I think that american democracy is in the most precarious place its been in the 21st century. I think theres no guarantee necessarily that it will continue if trump wins again in november. Let me get a sentence from each of you about answers. If the United States is experiencing an autocratic attempt, if there is this democratic backsliding happening, what should the press do differently . Luke, first to you and then the others. Well, i think we just have to insist on factuality. What weve seen, its interesting youre talking to india and countries where there are rightwing populists in tower, is to attack truth and construct narrative. Its no longer about whats real. Its about who tells the best story and who has an emotional resonance with viewers and voters. I think what we need is we need proper news. We need cnn, we need good investigations. We also need people to give us their money, actually, to fund decent journalism. Yeah. Its tough. S. Mnamu, what the press should do differently . The thing the press needs to do differently is include as many voices as possible. Yes, luke is right in terms of being able to have a lot of factuality up front in your bull tips but the truth of the matter is because of these subcommunities, watching the same news in the same country, then youre never going to be able to bring those people together seeing the country perhaps as it is. Its trying to bring as many Diverse Voices onto your channels so that people who dont share the same views can feel somewhat represented. That then is able to attack the lie that, you know, president s like trump and authoritarian president s elsewhere would have their supporters believe. Because you believe differently, therefore, theyre wrong. Rana, last word to you. Whats happening in america and whats happened in india has happened to journalists all over the world. Modi has not taken a single press conference or spoken to a single journalists. Hes discredited almost everile journalist. Now is a time journalists should use all their might to not be intimidated and silenced by those in power because now is a time when journalism should shine. I mean, there is a backlash against journalism and there should be a backlash against this backlash. We should come out with the truth. We should not be silenced by this regime because journalists have become the new enemy of the state. And both trump and modi see us as enemies, number one, which is why we should present the truth as it is without being threatened by the regime. Yeah, we are not the enemy of people. We are the enemy of liars, an enemy of liars. Ill say it over and over until my face turns blue. Thank you for joining us and starting on of this hour. Speaking of attacks on journalists, the president has been blasting the 1619 project. Nikole hannahjones is here to react. And youll hear what the protrump media is saying about protrump media is saying about the Supreme Court fi safe drivers save 40 thats safe drivers save 40 . It is, thats safe drivers save 40 . Hes right there. Its him safe drivers do save 40 . Click or call for a quote today. Safe drivers do save 40 . We do things differently and aother money managers, dont understand why. Because our way works great for us but not for your clients. Thats why were a fiduciary, obligated to put clients first. So, what do you provide . 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David zurawik, the Baltimore Sun critic and julie cohen, director of the film rbg which will rebroadcast at 10 00 p. M. Even though i was watching your film here on cnn, i was wondering, what lessons can we take from the film, your documentary, that apply to this epic struggle thats now under way . Well, you know, things have changed quite a bit since rbg was confirmed to the Supreme Court in 1993. She liked to harken back to those days when she was confirmed 963 and for Antonin Scalia was confirmed unanimously to the Supreme Court. In her view, if the person was qualified, like that should be the answer. Of course, things at this point are so political that that that seems kind of like a dream world to talk about things that way. Yeah, it really does. Lets take a look at what jesse waters was saying on fox news last night, one of the president s most reliable allies on the network. Heres the level of the rhetoric he was using to describe this fight for rbgs seat. Mitch, dont overthink this. Push hard for a vote before the election. Whip the vote and pull the trigger. Were dealing with bloodthirsty political killers on the left. Buck up and do your jobs, republicans. Talk about authoritarian and creep. Hes talking about democrats as bloodthirsty political killers, david zurawik. You know, i watched that, brian, last night. And i thought, oh, my god, you know, this is going to be so ugly. We already had six weeks ahead of us that were going to be epic in terms of the battle between biden and trump. In terms of media, what they were going to do. Then you put this Supreme Court fight on top of it, and then you have the rightwing media this isnt cheerleadering. This is beyond rabblerousing. This is waving the shirt and calling for blood. Ill tell you what, brian, we have to admit, we in the Mainstream Press have to admit that we are at a disadvantage in this. We were founded and we operate cnn operates at a journalistic institution. We play by those rules. Fox news, as you so as you chronicle in your book so well, fox news, breitbart, daily caller, many of these rightwing outlets were founded as political tools to aid an candidates. If your goal as a political outlet to just simply win, you can lie you can be just like donald trump. You can lie, you can smear, you can libel, slander, do all of that. The goal is to win. We cant do that. We have to think about that. Pardon . The rhetoric of war, unfortunately, theres a lot of it right now. Lets take a look at 2017, Laura Ingraham and sean hannity talking about the Supreme Court fight back then. The democrats are really mad about that. The last 70 years, you know, of Supreme Court justice was not confirmed in the final year of a president s term, so that wasnt really out of the ordinary. But doesnt matter. They wanted that seat. Julie, do flipflops even matter because americans view politics as totally hypocritical anyway, americans are so cynical anyway . Does it matter at all anymore . I think youre right. The level of cynicism is so huge. I think donald trump has actually helped to create this mood of, like, everybodys a liar. You cant trust anything. You know, whats so sad, trying to reflect back on the life of justice ginsburg, not just what her death means politically, is how much she tried it stand for and symbolize greater principles, the rule of law, civility, the things that seem like theyve gotten completely lost in the political conversation of 2020. Yeah, absolutely. Julie and david, thank you both. As i mentioned, julies film rbg is airing on cnn, 10 00 p. M. Eastern time on cnn. Make sure youve seen it, if you havent already. Coming up, how coronavirus denialism is continuing to have deadly consequences. I have new examples to show you. Plus, what the press and the public need to do about it. You hear that . Thats your weathered deck, crying for help. 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Doesnt the science say outside and in the sun kills the virus . Yes, that, too. No. Yes, it does. No, it doesnt. Yes. Yes, thats what they said. Youre not reading notice how the woman corrects diamond when she is wrong about that, outside in the sun is evidently safer than inside. But the death toll has been gutting all sunny, summer long. Look, denialism takes many shapes. Sometimes its about ceding doubt, suggesting theres a coverup so she cannot believe the people in charge. This story from tennessee, nashville accused city officials of covering up how many cases of covid19 were connected to bars and restaurants. The claims there were emails showing the case count was really low, the bars were safe, but that these big, bad, city officials were hiding the truth so keep businesses shut down. That was the claim. Nonsense. But rightwing media ran with this claim and attacked the city officials. Tucker carlson even led with the story on his thursday night program. He declared our leaders are lying, he said, and donald trump jr. Was so excited he exclaimed the democratic mayor of nashville lowingly lied about covid data. They were so excited about this story because its a claim of a coverup. It made it seem the virus wasnt as bad as evil democrats were saying, but the crux of the story was simply not true. As Cnns Oliver Darcy explained, the local station left out critical context. Nashvilles mayor called for an apology and the station did say sorry, along with, quote, we do not believe there was any coverup. But by then the story had already spread around the proceedtrump media, making countless conservatives even more dubious, even more distrusting. This nonsense happens all the time. The other day carlson interviewed a, quote unquote, whistleblower who claimed she had evidence of a covid19 conspiracy in wuhan, china, but when videos of the interview were shown on social media, facebook and twitter intervened by putting a false information label on it pointing out factcheckers had a really hard time with this. Twitter has been doing a lot of labeling, too. They slapped multiple warnings on trumps tweet, manipulated video of joe biden looking like a loser, false information about mailin voting, twitter, facebook, theyre actually taking action. Now, they still do have a long way to go when it comes to how they handle false information. But theyre doing more than fox news is. At least there are labels. At least these platforms are trying to do something. In my reporting for hoax theres not a level of accountability from fox when these mistakes happen or when this misinformation gets spread. Maybe its not always a mistake. Lets talk more about this issue of labels. Theres no way to put a label on fox. But heres the thing. The people who can best inform the rest of us about whats true, the people who can debunk the covid denialism are the people who have been sick and who have recovered. Let me tell you about one of them. Her name is ann robinson and she was profiled by the casper tribune newspaper. The newspaper said shes taken to facebook to push back on conspiracy. She posts the death toll numbers on her Facebook Page and tries to push back on her neighbors and friends who still think its a hoax. Look at what she told the paper, quote, i keep still seeing posts that say its a hoax, its going to go away on election day. No, its not a hoax. I can tell you firsthand. Reporter seth writes, when one friend declared she didnt know anyone who was sick, ann replied on facebook, you know me, you know us. Thats the ultimate way to counter covid denialism. Oneonone, person to person. Instead of spreading disease, spread the truth. 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Why is President Trump talking about launching a 1776 commission and giving kids a Patriotic Education . Clearly its because of the 1619 project. The Pulitzer Prize winning product from the New York Times. An extraordinary piece of journalism about americas roots, americas roots in slavery. The creator of the 1619 project is Nikole Hannahjones, and she is with me now to talk about why the president seems to be using this as a culture war issue, attacking the project and attacking journalism. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me on, bri brian. I know youve been dealing with this the past few days. I suspect its pretty personal when the president is calling you out saying your project is totally discredited. Whats it been like you personally . I worry about you getting threats and things like that. I hope not. Its been a tough few weeks. I certainly would not have expected that the president of the United States would be Holding Press Conferences against the project, would make the arguments that learning this history is toxic for children, and, yeah, i i certainly received threats. And the project came out a year ago. And to see that it is still theres still such an effort against the project, i think, speaks to how challenging this history is and the acceptance of this history is for many americans. Yeah, this weekend hes out there saying hes going to get 5 billion from this tiktok deal hes engineered, and that he wants that 5 billion, according to this bloomberg headline, to go to funding Patriotic Education. Are you surprised hes using that phrase, Patriotic Education . Im not surprised by the phrase. Clearly trump sees this as a tool in the arsenal of the culture war of trying to stoke anger and ire amongst his white supporters. So, the idea that conservative viewing of history or history that plays up american exceptionalism and downplays the role of slavery is not surprising to me. I do think, however, all americans, no matter their politics, should be deeply, deeply concerned that the federal government is trying to indoctrinate students into a specific reading of history that is, quote unquote, patriotic. And that he is trying to, in effect, censor a work of american journalism. To be clear, the federal government does not set curricula. We know that in general the curricula that most American Students learn does not give them much grounding in the history of slavery. In fact, the Southern Poverty Law Center found that somewhere around only 16 of American High School students even know the civil war was fought over slavery. Its not as if our children need to be saved from a history that overplays the role of slavery. Right now our children are not getting a truly factual understanding of our history as it is. When you look at all the stories in the news from bill barrs speeches to the intensity of the Supreme Court fight, to foxs fullthroated defense of all trump no matter what, is it all about preserving a White Christian culture in america that feels its under threat . Is that what its all about . I wouldnt say its all about, but it is certainly playing an outsized role. What were seeing right now just confirms the thesis of the 1619 project, why the 1619 project has to exist. This corrosive divisiveness that is at our founding, this paradox saying we were founded on the individual rights and freedoms and universal freedoms, that we were a democracy, when, in fact, we were not. Were still struggling with that tension about who is a full citizen, who should have the right to vote, do some peoples votes count more than others . Thats where were seeing the struggles ande tlos of that right now. Even the electoral college, the fact you could have a president who wins not by a popular vote of the people but by representatives of states that actually have smaller populations than the will of the people. That is a throwback to slavery. So, our inability to really grapigrap i grapple with these racial contributions at our founding. 400 years. The project isnt going anywhere. The project is not going anywhere. And, you know, we are expanding the project into tv and film as well as books. Vast numbers of americans have appreciated this work. It has not made them hate their country. It has made them better understand their country. Really what the 1619 project is a charge for us to work to live up to the majestic ideas of our founding. A truly great country doesnt have to lie about its past. We were not a country that lived up to its ideals at the founding but we can work to become that country. Thats really the argument of the project. I dont understand how anyone can view that as somehow unpatriotic. I wish the president would read it and then disagree where it, but read it first. Thank you very much. After a quick break, these front pages show whats going on. The election is not on november 3rd. The election is already under way. These headlines are about voting in multiple states. How should the press be framing this election conversation . Glenn downing is next. Why . ahhhh incoming ahhhahh im saved water tastes like, water. So we fixed it. Mio [ana perfectly reasonable reward amount of timepending on the couch with tacos from grubhub . Rewarded get a free delivery perk on your first order. doorbell ringing grubhub. Thats your weathered deck, crying for help. While you do nothing, its inviting those geese over for target practice. Today, lets stain. cause if you stain your deck today, they cant stain your deck tomorrow. Behr. Today, lets stain. 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S. Election. Hes chipping away of the confidence in the results ahead of time. Here he is on twitter two hours ago saying voting by mail is a scam, when it is not. Interviews on fox and at rallies hes going further saying the only way he will lose is if democrats steal the election from him. Hes saying this out loud. He says things, like, quote, its the only way we are going to lose. Washington post opinion columnist Greg Sergeant asks, why isnt this bigger news . Quoting him, trump is telling untold number of supporters that they shouldnt accept a losing outcome as legitimate. So, how should the press prepare for this already unprecedented election . Leonard downie jr. Is the former executive of the Washington Post and author of new book coming out tuesday all about the story news, power, politics and the Washington Post. Theres some great material in your book, len, about 2000 and the contested election back then. 20 years later, what should the press be doing to prepare for this time . Implicit in your question, brian, was we werent prepared in 2000 for that long count and we werent prepared for the difficulties that many people had voting, particularly in florida. So, now the press needs the news media needs to cover voting as much or more as it covers the rest of the campaign. Voting has already begun, as you pointed out earlier in the program, its time to be covering voting in great depth. There are enough polling places . Is it healthy to vote in polling places . How are the lines being managed . What are the voting hours like . What is access to voting like . Are people being denied to voting . Are there things going on outside polling places designed to intimidate people, to prevent them from voting . And then, how are the votes going to be counted . How are mail ballots being handled . What are the deadlines for that . How will they be counted later . A couple there have been a couple evening news programs that are taking us inside some of the counting places and thats important for people to see how their yeah, absolutely. What about this ugliness where President Trump is retweeting somebody, calling joe biden a p pe pedofile. What do you think of that . Well, even more so, i think its being covered unequality too much, particularly on television where you get to see what trump has to say, what the trump surrogates have to say when theyre telling untruths and there is not enough from the other side about why thats not true. And i think beyond false equivalence, there needs to be you know, Fact Checking exists. There is that wonderful fact checker on cnn that goes on so fast, faster than i talk. But in terms of actual minutes, there is a lot less minutes devoted to what the truth is as opposed to what is being said about trump and his allies. Right, right. Hey, the title of your book all about the story is an incredible book. It made me think the real bias in journalism is towards the story. I dont know if viewers understand that. What journalists crave is not a political win or loss. It is a great story. Thats right. Thats right. I think i say in that i said in the column that i wrote in the post at one point about why we are being completely unbias in our coverage. Not that we favor a Political Political Party or candidate. We are just interested in great stories. Trump was a great story before he ran for president. He was a big story when he was running for president. He got a disproportionate amount of coverage because he was a good story. And the media need to find time now in these 40some days remaining before the election to not be so persuaded by the sexiness of the story as they have to be about finding the facts and producing the facts for the public. Right. And then covering the democrats as well. 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All of us can remind each other it is okay not to be okay right now. It is still true. It was true six months ago, still true today. None of us are really okay. We need to make sure that the press is bearing witness to the suffering and the pain of the American People and people all around the world as this pandemic rages on. So on that note i want to thank you for joining us on this space, reliable sources. We will see you this time next week for more reliable. Supreme legacy. Justice ruth bader ginsburg. Well remember Justice Ginsburgs legacy with the man who nominated her, president bill clinton, next. And without delay, just weeks