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Tonight, straight from the source. President biden urging the world not to grow weary on standing with ukraine, but that might be a tougher sell in washington. The republican chair of the Foreign Affairs committee is here with me. Plus, what a central witness in the Trump Classified documents case has now reportedly told federal investigators. Something that the expresident apparently urged her not to tell them. And if Rudy Giuliani did not have enough legal problems already facing him, they just got a lot worse. He is now being sued by his own attorney. Im kaitlan collins, and this is the scource. In a rare visit to the United States, ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy is issuing a blunt warning about russia, saying that evil cannot be trusted. He was speaking today to World Leaders at the United Nations General Assembly here in new york in person, but its not clear if all of the World Leaders who were in the room or even some republicans in washington got that message. This is what zelenskyy told wolf blitzer about what is on the line in this fight. We hear their voices on the front line, and we hear them, and they are demotivated. The russians are demotivated. They are afraid of us. And all putin wants now, all things he wants really to push United States, to change the minds of society, to push eu partners to change the mind of the people of eu countries. He ensure that only by propaganda, he cannot win. He cannot to lose this war. President biden is also here in new york where he sought to rally other World Leaders behind ukraine, urging democracies to stand by their core principles. Russia believes that the world will grow weary and allow it to brutalize ukraine without consequence. We have to stand up to this naked aggression today and deter other wouldbe aggressors tomorrow. If you were listening closely to President Bidens speech today, that message was not just intended for the World Leaders and the diplomats who are gathered here in new york. That impassioned plea was also intended for lawmakers back in washington, where some republicans on the far right are fighting against more funding for ukraine. That is only part of why we could be just 11 days away from the federal government running out of money. The Republican Party is so far apart right now on agreeing on how to fund the government, House Republicans were even voting against their own defense bill on capitol hill today. That almost never happens. House speaker Kevin Mccarthy is working furiously to keep his Party Together but also to keep his job. All of this is happening as president zelenskyy is set to visit washington later on this week. Tonight one of the key republicans who is not only meeting with the ukrainian leader but who is also on the front lines of fighting to keep the government open is here with me. Lets get straight to the source with the chairman of the house Foreign Affairs committee, texas congressman michael mccaul. Congressman, thank you for being here. President biden says the u. S. Will continue to stand with, quote, the brave people of ukraine. But a vocal faction of your party is saying no to more money. Do you think your party will eventually vote to pass another aid package to ukraine . Well, i do think the majority the majorities in both house and Senate Support this effort. Well be meeting with zelenskyy on thursday. That will be House Republican leadership. But i think we also need answers. I mean to have a supplemental dropped on us, we need to know a lot of members want to know what is the plan for victory . Why arent we putting the weapons into ukraine that they need to win rather than a slow, bleeding survival rate that was counterproductive to the counteroffensive . So i think you have republicans wanting to support this but seeing the administration not really managing it very well. And they also want to make sure that our nato partners are paying their fair share of the price tag on this. But a lot of the republicans who are voicing opposition to funding more funding for ukraine arent making those conditions. Some of them are, people like Speaker Mccarthy is wanting to know where its going. But several of them are not. Theyre not saying they have questions. Theyre just saying no more funding, period. Right. And i think thats still not in the majority. But i will say that i think it is in our National Security interest for ukraine to win. But we need to see a plan, and perhaps congress should be drafting the plan for victory. And i think thats one of the bigger issues here is that we dont want a long, draggedout war. Putin wants a war of attrition, and thats what hes getting right now. And the longer this drags out, the more difficult its going to be because he knows he can drive the will of the American People down and perhaps our european partners. I want to see ukraine win because it has enormous stakes from a National Security standpoint. Will it directly impact how chairman xi and china views taiwan. We have the greatest threat to the pacific, and if we dont get this right, were going to find ourselves having to commit u. S. Troops, which so far we havent had to commit one u. S. Soldier. Well, given that, congressman, when Speaker Mccarthy was asked today about committing to another round of funding, this was his answer. Is zelenskyy elected to congress . Is he our president . I dont think i have to commit anything. I have questions for him. Wheres the accountability on the money we already spent . What is the plan for victory . I think thats what the American Public wants to know. Youre talking about the majority of the majority supporting this. Does that sound like a House Speaker to you who does want to pass more funding for ukraine . Well, the speaker, i know, supports our efforts in ukraine. But hes raising questions that we hear from our conference, you know, all the time. I think were going to meet with zelenskyy. I certainly support, you know, this effort. But i think as this war drags out, there are more and more questions from our members about what is the plan for victory . Why arent you putting the weapons in necessary to win rather than to just survive . This counteroffensive has not gone as well as we had hoped, and we dont want a long, draggedout war of attrition. But the white house and Jake Sullivan have taken the slow walk in terms of weapons systems. Why arent they giving the atacms that could hit crimea . I dont understand that. Ive been a strong critic about this. Im going to support ukraine because its the right side of history, and the right thing to do, but there are mounting and growing questions within our party and our conference and questions that quite frankly deserve answers. I also want to ask you about this deal that was made to bring Five Americans who were wrongfully detained in iran home. We saw their families celebrating, crying as they were finally able to greet them and to hug them. Do you think this was the wrong deal . Thats what were worried about because, well, first of all, to unleash and unfreeze these sanctioned assets, 6 billion to the largest State Sponsor of terror, you know, the Jcpoa Under Obama was only half a billion dollars. Now were pouring 6 billion into the Islamic Republic of iran that they will then and i was told for humanitarian purposes only. But now we hear from the president of iran that its going to be used for any purpose they want. That would include their terror proxies, whether it be hezbollah, hamas, shia militias, all throughout the middle east. Since that time, youve seen iran kick out a third of the ii iaeas inspectors out of iran, and now the saudis are questioning whether they should be doing this deal with israel. Its having a direct impact. And, kaitlan, to be honest with you, our Chief Negotiator is now under investigation for the mishandling of classified documents. And we still havent gotten to the bottom of that. But on the assets themselves, theyre frozen iranian assets that were in south korea, that theyre essentially unfreezed. Its not like its u. S. Money thats going to this. The white house says they will have strict oversight of it. All of this is separate from iran but back to ukraine. What were seeing happening where you on capitol hill right now, this fight over funding the government. House republicans today were even voting against their own defense bill. Is all of this all of the fight that is happening over spending and funding the government really worth jeopardizing Service Members paychecks . No, i dont think so. I agree with you. I think in the 20 years ive served in congress, ive never seen the rule brought down on a Defense Appropriations Bill. I think its disrespectful to our active duty, to our veterans and our current Service Members. They deserve better than this from congress. Its a good bill. And you know whos enjoying this more than anybody, kaitlan, is chairman xi and china. He often says to the president tsai of taiwan or he says it to us, you know, democracy doesnt work. Democracy is a failure. I can make a decision like that, and i am more effective than democracy. And what i worry about is we just proved him right with this vote today, taking down the rule on a Defense Appropriations Bill that is desperately needed. Im a conferree, but if were going to authorize but not fund our department of defense, were putting ourselves in jeopardy and emboldening our adversaries, which i would say, you know, this ukraine thing is tied to that as well because youre talking about iran putting drones in ukraine. Now putin is begging kim jongun, panhandling for weapons and money, and hes aligned with so why is your party so dysfunctional . Why cant they get these spending bills passed . Its a handful. But theyre able to take down potentially not funding the government. I think against the will of the American People. Youre talking about five members that dont represent the conference in my judgment. They may have their own reasons, but i dont quite understand it, and i think its dangerous because our adversaries are watching. And when they see Something Like this take place on the house floor, it only emboldens our adversaries. It does not strike any fear into them. And thats dangerous. I want to follow up with you on something you said recently about the Impeachment Inquiry that has just been launched into President Biden. This is what you said for our viewers who didnt hear that. With respect to Foreign Policy decisions the president may have made or Vice President at that time with respect to money coming in to try to tie the two, we dont have the evidence now. But we may find it later. Congressman, are you acknowledging that you do not have the evidence against President Biden . If so, why pursue that Impeachment Inquiry . Why not just have the committees that were having these investigations continue to do so . Why take this next step if theres not evidence to back it up . Well, i think there is i think theres predication, enough predication to open an investigation into that. What do i mean . 20 million in wire transfers going to hunter biden and possibly family members. Its not just me. The judge, the federal judge threw out the plea agreement, which is almost unprecedented, based upon the amicus brief of the irs you know, the whistleblower that talked about how his leads to the family were cut off by higher levels at the Justice Department. Thats not supposed to happen at justice, and thats why the federal judge did what she did. Its also why Merrick Garland has now appointed weiss as a Special Prosecutor to investigate but we havent seen anything tied directly to President Biden. Thats the issue, i think, people have raised. Well, its too early in the investigation. I mean the Justice Department has decided to open this investigation. The federal judge thinks its warranted. But not into President Biden. Hunter biden is separate from this. Im saying any evidence directly tieing it to President Biden. Thats the Impeachment Inquiry is into President Biden, not hunter biden, as you know. I worked at doj for many years. I worked on the Johnny Chung Case where he had all this money coming from china into Shell Corporations and then laundered to go into the president s reelection. This is nothing new, whether it be china or russia. The money i mean when youve got that kind of money going into Shell Corporations that have no legitimate purpose, that automatically raises an alarm and a flag. And i think it warrants an investigation not just by the Justice Department at the behest of the federal judge, but also by the congress. Still no direct evidence to President Biden. We will wait to see obviously. Up next tonight, there is brandnew reporting from the New York Times on a key witness in the Trump Classified documents case. This is a longtime aide to the former president , who worked for him in the white house, traveled with him to maralago, and now apparently has been talking to federal investigators and has told them something he did not want them to know. 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Michael also reportedly told investigators that trump would use documents with classified markings to jot down todo lists for her. For perspective on what this evidence means to investigators, im joined by former federal prosecutor Elliott Williams and former Deputy Director of the fbi andrew mccabe. How strong is this testimony when it comes to what trump is facing, which are Obstruction Charges . Look, these are acts of obstruction, at least as alleged. I dont think, based on whats available right now, that the Justice Department would charge him with obstruction just for this conduct here. What you have is the statement of one witness. As far as we know, its not corroborated by Anything Else. There arent Text Messages establishing it. But, look, this is an act of Obstruction Of Justice if what shes saying is true. What you have is a defendant who is aware of an open investigation, and hes urging another person to either influence, delay, or prevent her testimony. Thats right out of the Obstruction Of Justice statute. So at a minimum, its valuable testimony. It speaks to sort of character and misconduct and a guilty mind even if they dont charge him with it specifically. And i think elliot makes an important point there, andrew mccabe, because this isnt just one isolated thing. We already know from the indictment that trump made a Plucking Motion with his hand when he was speaking with his attorney, evan corcoran, about documents, if theres anything bad in there to essentially remove it. Taken all together, what does this mean for their case . Well, i think it shows us, kaitlan, that the prosecutors have a lot of evidence that were not even aware of yet, right . The indictment itself was incredibly detailed, kind of a Speaking Indictment as they like to say. And it certainly gave us a great vision into the strength of their case. But beyond that, they are sitting on the testimony of witnesses like michael, who provide these incredibly vivid glimpses into the way business was done in and around maralago. And i think, you know, the reporting that were talking about tonight about this alleged comment, you know, to michael that you dont know anything about the boxes, the context is incredibly important. So allegedly he made that comment to her after she told him shed been requested to be interviewed by the fbi. So in response to learning about her imminent interview with the bureau, he responds with essentially a direction to forget anything you know about the boxes or, you know, you dont know anything about the boxes. Its really very damaging, very damaging testimony, potentially damaging testimony to the former president , and its just a piece of what were learning right now. There may be many others. Yeah. Elliot, i mean Chris Christie has been not shy when it comes to criticizing trump. He said last night that all the comments trump keeps making about the election subversion case, you know, could make his attorneys want to vomit, i believe was the quote he used. He was also asked about this new reporting tonight, and this is what he said. The worst is when he called that assistant, when she was going to go before the grand jury, and said you dont know anything about my boxes, my boxes of documents. That is active witness tampering. Hes a former federal prosecutor. What do you make of that . I think hes absolutely right. It is active witness tampering, and it actually might be able to be admitted as evidence even if hes not charged with that specific act because this sort of touches on what andrew was talking about before. There are other instances of a specific intent to obstruct justice, the Plucking Motion, take these documents out and so on. And it might be able to come into court where you could have Maggie Michael come in and testify, oh, and look, on another occasion he sought to have me do almost the same thing. Its a pattern of conduct in the same scheme of events. But i think the governor is absolutely right there. This is tampering with the witness. You know, when you charge someone with a crime, you have to sort of fit their conduct to the statutes, and statutes arent always written entirely clearly. This one is. Its if youre tampering with someone to get in the way of their testimony, and thats kind of what Maggie Michael appears to be saying happened here. And elliot, you would call her to testify . Based on what is publicly available now, yes. But, again, i dont know, for instance, her background, if theres anything on which she could be impeached in terms of credibility. Again, i dont know this individual. Does she have a criminal history or Anything Else . Those are the kinds of things that prosecutors have to think about before deciding whether to call somebody. Could they be undermined in some way . But based on this reporting and its just reporting its certainly valuable. The immediate thing that you think about when you read this story is tavares, the i. T. Worker, who was instructed to delete surveillance footage. These are all people who worked for donald trump, some still work for him, that could be called in that very situation to testify. Yeah. So as weve all been kind of expecting after the drop of the indictment, youre now seeing the government line up fullblooded cooperators who are going to take the stand in the governments case and testify against their former boss, the former president of the United States. So tavares is a key witness, but even tavares, to what we know so far, didnt have a direct interaction with trump about a direction to the alleged direction to delete the servers. Michael is potentially more significant in that regard because what shes relating is a conversation with trump in which he is allegedly making this direction to obstruct justice and impede her testimony. So it could be very powerful testimony. Yeah, thats a good point. Its one step closer to him than the other witnesses. Andrew mccabe, elliot williams, thank you both for your expertise on this tonight. Up next, the head of the United Auto Workers is union is now pushing back at former President Donald Trump, who is planning his own trip to detroit as the first ever strike against all Big Three Automakers at once is now well into day five. Were not writers, but we help you shape your financial story. Were not an airline, but our Network Connects global businesses across nearly 160 markets. Were not a startup, but our Innovation Labs use new technologies to help keep your information secure. Were not architects, but we help build stronger communities. Were not just any bank. 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The uaw president , shawn fain, wants essentially no part of that visit and said today, quote, every fiber of our union is being poured into fighting the Billionaire Class and an economy that enriches people like donald trump at the expense of workers. We cant keep electing billionaires and millionaires that dont have any understanding of what its like to live paycheck to paycheck. Fain has not exactly, i should note, had kind words for President Biden either despite how the president embraced his strike in some notable comments last week. Joining me now for perspective, former Biden White House Communications Director Kate Beddingfield and doug hye. Doug, ill start with you. Trump is clearly trying to win over the rank and file members here. Hes criticizing the leaders in this strike. How does that work as hes trying to court the voters . Do you think he has any chance of success here . Well, theres a real difference. Theres the medium and theres the audience. The medium is exactly that, the uaw, the leadership. Those places where he would go to and go through. The audience is much broader than that. Thats everybody that donald trump appealed to in 2016, a lot of whom he lost in 2020 to joe biden, but where he had a message that remember he said Hillary Clinton says im with her, im with you. Thats going to be Donald Trumps message here when he speaks to autoworkers and the broader audience that looks at this. And thats where donald trump could have success here, and its why i think democrats should be a little nervous here. Donald trump gets it in a way, and i say this as somebody thats not a fan of donald trump. He gets it in a way that audiences outside of those thought bubbles in washington and new york and, in this case, detroit understand and cause real consternation, i think, potentially for democrats. Kate, you worked in the white house not that long ago. I wonder what you make of the situation playing out now where President Biden had said he was going to send two of his top aides. Weve now learned apparently that trip has been scrapped. Were seeing some lawmakers like congressman ro khanna saying, you know, that biden himself should join the picket line. If you were in the white house, what would your advice be . Well, i would want to do everything that i could to show that President Biden is standing with the workers out on strike, and im sure the president and his team are doing that. But theyre going to do that in a way that is working with union leadership, making sure they are providing help and resources where the union wants it and not where they dont. I think, you know, the thing here that is different i was listening to doug and i agree with some of what he was saying. Theres a key difference here between 2016 and now, which is that donald trump is effectively an incumbent. Donald trump now has a record, four years of factories closing under his watch, of jobs going overseas, of him saying things like, your job should go overseas and then you can negotiate better deals here, and lets see how you like that. So he has a record he has to defend, and i think the contrast with President Biden, who has created 800,000 Manufacturing Jobs since he took office and has helped lead a manufacturing boom in this country, that economic contrast is intense, and thats where the Biden Campaign is going to try to drive the comparison here. Yeah, though i mean the uaw hasnt endorsed him yet, saying hes got to earn it. But, doug, for your party, senator tim scott had an interesting comment today compared to other 2024 hopefuls who are all being asked to weigh in on this. When he was asked, he invoked former president ronald reagan, who once fired more than 11,000 air Traffic Controllers who were on strike. This is what senator scott said. Ronald reagan gave us a great example when the federal boys decided they were going to strike. You strike, youre fired. Simple concept to me. Seems like we could use that once again, absolutely. Doug, the difference here is United Auto Workers, theyre not federal employees. The president cant fire them. Theres federal labor laws also that protect them. What did you make of those comments . I think it highlights, and weve seen this on a lot of issues, the way Donald Trumps entrance into the Republican Party and then obviously running for president has caused republicans to morph in so many different ways and then split. So what tim scott is stating is where republican orthodoxy may still be, certainly used to be. Donald trump is presenting a different vision to that where a lot of the party has gone. Think about the issue of trade as well. Heres where it gets slightly complicated, kaitlan. When you were talking to mike mccaul, talking about the shutdown. The longer if a shutdown happens, the longer it goes on, the more unpredictable it is on how theres a resolution and what the fallout may be. The longer this strike goes on, the same thing. Kate, do you agree with that . I do agree with that, and i would feel confident that the white house is, again, working to try to help come to a resolution as quickly as possible, however they can help do that. Certainly i dont think anybody wants to see the strike extend on and on. Of course theres unpredictability when you do that. Again, i think for the president , the key here is for him to use this moment and to use donald trump being in detroit next week to really draw the comparison on who has stood for workers and who has made this economy better for working people, like the people out on strike right now. Trump will be there on wednesday night. Well watch that closely. Thank you both. Thank you. Ahead, an emotional reunion happened today for five former iranian hostages who are now back in america, hugging their loved ones for the first time in a very long time. Someone who knows all too well what a hug like that feels like is here with me tonight. Former russian prisoner and u. S. Marine trevor reed joins me next. Teeth sensitivity is so common. It immediately feels like somebodys poking directly on the nerve. I recommend sensodyne. Sensodyne toothpaste goes inside the too and cas the nerve down. And my patents say u know doc, it really works. There it is. That feeling you get. When you can du more with less asthma. It starts with dupixent. Dupixent is not for sudden breathing problems. Its an addon treatment for specific types of moderatetosevere asthma. And can help improve Lung Function for better breathing in as little as two weeks. Dupixent helps prevent asthma attacks. And can even reduce or eliminate oral steroids. Can you picture it . 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He and four others embraced their loved ones on the tarmac outside of washington as one of The Americans was overheard telling his wife and two daughters, quote, were home. Over the last two years, we counted 30 americans have been freed, including wnba star Brittney Griner, who of course, as we all remember, was released last december after nearly ten months in russian captivity. And also trevor reed, a marine veteran who was freed in april of last year after being wrongfully detained for nearly three years in russia. And trevor reed joins me now, of course, as the only, you know, best perspective that only very few people do. Trevor, i know you believe that the criticism that weve heard over the terms of this deal, the unfreezing of the 6 billion in iranian revenue, is unwarranted. Of course, it is also important to note this was not u. S. Taxpayer money. But i want to listen, for those who havent heard, what republicans are saying about this deal. It is a quid pro quo. It is called a ransom payment. The latest example of President Biden rewarding and incentivizing irans bad behavior. Americans are now more of a target for iran than they were before. Every enemy we have are now going to be realizing that if they take americans, they can get 6 billion too. We will never, ever pay ransom to terrorists or terrorist states. Trevor, what do you make of that . Well, first off, id just like to say that that has no bearing on reality. So if you look at my case as one example, the russians took paul whelan hostage. When the United States asked hem to release him, they immediately asked for concessions to make an exchange to get something in exchange for paul, and the United States refused to negotiate with them, which is what a lot of people are saying, well, if you negotiate with them, then theres no reason why they should take americans hostage. So the United States did not negotiate. They refused to negotiate to bring paul whelan home, and after that, the russians took me hostage. At that point the u. S. Government also refused to negotiate to get me home. And after that, they gave Brittney Griner a hugely disproportionate sentence, which was completely political. So if you just look at that one example, i think you can see anyone that is reasonable can see that your refusing to negotiate with these governments does not guarantee that theyre not going to take other hostages. And any of those governments that are already taking americans hostage, they dont need an incentive to take americans hostage. Theyre going to continue to do that. Their incentive for taking americans hostage is that theyre americans, and they can show that to their own citizens, that theyve done that. Theyve embarrassed us, and the United States cant do anything about that. Thats enough for them. They dont need material concessions, a hostage, money. You know, if they can get those things, they will try to do that, but thats not going to stop them from continuing to take hostages. You also seem to be seeing this through the lens of even if a Prisoner Swap or a negotiated deal like this one is potentially politically disadvantageous to a lawmaker or a president or even maybe strategically the risk here, you still think its the right move to make. Absolutely. And, you know, President Biden and his administration doing, theyve obviously done that because they thought that was the ethical decision to make. You know, President Biden and his administration are not fools. They knew that as soon as they did this, there was going to be Harsh Criticism of that administration, and this is, you know, quite soon before an election. So i think that him doing that, that was probably rooted in his morals and his feeling that he needed to do what was right, you know, over politics. Just seeing the images of The Americans returning home, i mean obviously it made me think of you returning home. Obviously, you know, your parents had been outside the white house so many times, advocating to get the white house to negotiate for your release. I mean, you know what its like. What are they going through tonight . You know, everyone handles that differently and goes through, you know, their own experience. But for me, you know, especially those first hours, theyre just incredibly surreal. You dont feel like its real. You feel like, you know, maybe thats not happening. Maybe youre imagining that. Maybe youre dreaming that, and it takes a while for that kind of feeling to go away before you can start feeling, you know, actual, real emotions. Yeah. I cant even imagine. I dont think many people can. Trevor reed, thank you for coming on and sharing your experience with us. Thank you, kaitlan. Also tonight, another story that we are tracking. Rudy giuliani. 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Rudy giuliani was already on the verge of a financial breaking point, but tonight his problems have gotten much worse. He is now being sued for more than 1. 3 million by his own lawyer. The firm that was representing giuliani says he only paid 214,000, a small drop in the bucket of the 1. 5 million that 10,000. And after the problem here, giuliani already owes millions of dollars to various law firms, not this plus one, when it comes to phase residue his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Those bills just keep piling up, as he is not just facing, that also a civil assault and harassment case and could have to pay damages for his lies about two Georgia Election workers. Of course, topping all that, the 13 criminal charges over the attempted election subversion in that georgia case. Andrew kirtzman has literally working people on giuliani. He is the author of, giuliani, the rise and tragic fall of americas mayor. Before we even get to the money part, andrew, bob costello and Rudy Giuliani have had everyone ship that dates back decades. This is a pick breaking point. Sure, almost half a century. And, you know, i dont think giuliani values anyone as much as his former Justice Department colleagues, right . His life as a prosecutor is intrinsic to who giuliani is. And so, giulianis comment today, it had a note of betrayal, right . Like, i cant believe he would do this, but then a classic giuliani fashion, he attacks him. For inflating the bill. Thats what he said, how can you take the personal from what he is my firm nearly 1. 4 million . But giuliani and his statement said, quote, i cant express how personally hurt i and by what bob costello has done. Saying that he had, this was in excess of legitimate legal fees. Bob costello has put a very Important Role in giulianis recent life. Since taking over as his attorney, about four years ago. Costello has tried to get giuliani out of trouble almost as fast as giuliani has got himself into trouble. I mean, one of the striking things about the lawsuit i read today was just how much trouble giuliani has gotten himself into over for heroes. Costello has represented him through four investigations, three of them criminal. Ten civil suits. Two disbarment hearings. And dont even know if that includes the Sexual Harassment suit by a former employee. I mean, giuliani has just this deep attraction to danger. And he has no one to blame but himself. I mean, all of the problems that hes facing right now a result of his personal recklessness. Which is a giuliani trait. But when you mentioned the last four heroes, all of that also goes back to his dealings with donald trump. Thats true. I mean, there was the ukraine scandal, the effort to overturn the election, there was a Defamation Case that he triggered by criticizing those two election workers, there was dominion, there was smartmatic. Its all in surface of donald trump. And i think if, you know, one day giuliani ends up sitting in a jail cell hes really going to have to think through whether it was all worked it. When you look at the big picture, you and i have spoken a lot about Rudy Giuliani, and you covered him, what he was, and what he is now. This break with bob costello, his own attorney, a very loyal defender of his, where do you put that in what that means to all of this . I mean, giulianis going broke. Hes going broke and facing prison. And, you know, his catastrophic fall is just one of the great, kind of, rise and falls of our generation. Giuliani was once worth 100 million. His giuliani partners, which was founded right after 9 11, to capitalize on his 9 11 fame, the place made 100 million over five years. Giuliani has squandered it. Hes had several divorces, he lived very high, his exwife set that were burning through 250,000 a month on sheer fun, a month i mean, he lived very well and now hes penniless and facing prison. Its an extraordinary story. What the future for giuliani look like . I mean, its very hard to see how he gets himself out of all this trouble. Hes just facing so many civil suits, so many criminal investigations, hes in a world of trouble. Andrew kirtzman, you have documented all of it. Thank you for joining us tonight. Thank you for having me. A Government Shutdown is looming. Some of the consumers have been squabbling about a newly elected dresscoat. Taking special and at democratic senator John Fetterman who says, the right is losing their minds over it. Ill tell you more, next. Schedule one for y ou. Or the whole crew. 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Im taking charge of my cholesterol with garlique. Tonight, in washington, americas leaders are fighting for style over substance. All because majority leader Chuck Schumer directed the Senate Sergeant at arms to no longer enforce the chambers formal dress code. This move was seen at least partially in response to pennsylvania senator John Fettermans preference to or shorts and a hoodie around the capitol, instead of a suit. Some what, menkes at lot of republicans we heard from, are not on board with this change, however. Senator coat the decision terrible. Senator Chuck Grassley said, it stinks. And senator Susan Collins threatened to replicate two or, the said she wouldnt actually do that, just noted she could. After asked to weigh in on the fashion fight, fetterman said, oh my gosh, the republicans think im going to burst through the doors and start bright dancing on the floor and shorts. I dont think its going to be an issue. Well keep you updated. Thanks for joining us, cnn prime time with abby phillip starts right now. Well see how long that one last, caitlin. Well say those shorts, who knows what will happen. Thanks caitlin, and good evening everyone. Im eddie phillip. We begin tonight with some Breaking News and more possible evidence of witness mp