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The fired fbi director james comey and a few democrats, just to name a few. He also tried to distance himself from his personal friend and attorney and fixer, Michael Cohen, who is under criminal investigation. How much of your legal work was handled by Michael Cohen . As a percentage of my overall legal work, a tiny, tiny little fraction. But michael would represent me and represent me on some things. He represents me, like, with this crazy Stormy Daniels deal. He represented me, and from what i see, he did absolutely nothing wrong. There were no Campaign Funds going into it which would have been a problem. Then why was he searched . Because hes got other businesses, and his lawyers probably told him to do that. Im not involved, and ive been told im not involved. Kaitlyn collins is over at the white house for us. Kaitlyn, the president says Michael Cohen only handled a n ti tiny, tiny fraction of his legal work. Tell us about what the president is saying and how it falls into place. We saw the president there trying to put an ocean of distance between him and Michael Cohen, someone i should note has been the president s personal attorney for more than a decade now, has handled some of his most sensitive matters. He at one time said he would take a bullet for President Trump. That discusses when Michael Cohen did represent him against Stormy Daniels. Something that could complicate legal matters for Michael Cohen as he goes into investigation, and looking into what between the two of them were privileged when he said he handled oenly a small bit of business for him. The va director, nominee Ronny Jackson, the white house has withdrawn his nomination, the president saying he had been standing biron any ja by ronny e says he was treated unfairly in this entire process. He would have done a great job. These are all false accusations. Theyre trying to destroy a man. By the way, i did say welcome to washington, welcome to the swamp, welcome to the world of politics. But for jon tester to start bringing up stuff like candy man and the kind of things he was saying and then say, well, you know, these are just statements that are made. Theres no proof of this. And he has a personal record. Hes got this beautiful record. Wolf, the president continuing to defend dr. Ronny jackson even just a few minutes ago while speaking with kids. Its bring your kid to work day at the white house, the president defending Ronny Jackson in front of those children, and we noted that Ronny Jackson is expected to stay on here as the white house physician. So even though those allegations were enough to pull his nomination, he is going to continue on as the white house doctor as the president continues to defend him, wolf, and well see where it goes from here. Thanks very much. We have a lot to discuss with our panel. We have cnn correspondent jeff zeleny, the White House Reporter from bloomberg news, ambassador norm eisen, and cnn legal analyst laura coates. Let me get your reaction, laura, first to what the president said that Michael Cohen only did a tiny, tiny, tiny little fraction of his legal work. How does that play out in both of these legal cases that are underway in new york and los angeles . Well, it totally undermines and fatal is the idea that most of what was collected in a raid of Michael Cohens home, hotel room and office would be overwhelmingly privileged information. If only a tiny fraction of t then we should have no problem getting through all the information, and a court finds that a lot can be disclosed and used by the prosecutors in this case. It also suggests, on the one hand, if you tell fox news that he represented you in the Stormy Daniels matter, its odd what you said in an off the cuff remark you made on air force one that you had no idea of the payment or why or where it came from or why it was made, so it really contradicts the effort of Michael Cohens law team. The president has been meeting with kids over in the ro rose garden, and he just said this about dr. Ronny jackson. Listen to this. Hes a great man. He got treated really unfairly. Hes a hell of a man. Lets go inside. Well go in the oval office. Whose is this . Hes a great man. He got treated very unfairly. Hes a hell of a man. What do you think . Well, wolf, i know him from my white house days. Dr. Jackson . Dr. Jackson. And i dont think he was treated unfairly. He was never qualified for this job. The president is the one who treated him very unfairly by not vetting him. We know the mere fact that he had a security clearance is no substitute for a vet. In fact, i wrote in the New York Times that vets often bring out other details. Thats happened now. We dont know how much of it would have been borne out in congressional hearings. The allegations are very troubling. And this is a nomination that never should have been made. Dr. Jackson was not qualified. I feel sad for him but also sad for the country that the president has cast the processor of improvisation in such a mess. The president keeps blaming what he calls obstructionist democrats. Now the question is when can we get a va secretary in there . Now somebody else needs to be named. You would presume they would go through a vetting process more thoroughly with the next person. Youve got the secretary of state just getting through, we need a new cia director, secretary of the va, possibly a new head of the epa. Right, with democrats not necessarily helping, how many of these positions will be held vacant for potentially over a year and having an acting director in a lot of these positions. Jeff, a lot of these experts are saying what the president has done is undermined Michael Cohens case, for all practical purposes, right now. He certainly hasnt helped it. If you look at everything the president has said about Michael Cohen starting back on air force one a couple weeks ago, that was certainly not a helpful thing because it may have precipitated this legal matter in new york. I think a lot of the president s advisers, at least the ones i speak with, hope he would stop asking questions and talking about Michael Cohen. There is nothing he could say that would be helpful here. The idea he was saying, oh, these are his business dealings, essentially saying hes not that familiar with him just does not speak to the facts. He talks with him frequently. He had dinner at maralago. Just a couple weeks ago he was knee deep in the Stormy Daniels situation. Back to dr. Ronny jackson one second. We should point out for the record, republicans were also raising questions about this confirmation. The president , the white house were saying, oh, its jon tester only. That simply is not true. Republicans had concerns. No one was coming to his defense there. I talked to a senior white house official who acknowledged this a short time ago and said, we did him no favors, meaning dr. Jackson here. His pick was a surprise to everyone, dr. Jackson included. He probably should have said, sir, no, thank you. He didnt and now we have this. He certainly wasnt qualified to run a Veterans Committee of 3,000 employees. Because the president has such a large amount of legal work, and Michael Cohen, from my indications, was more of a fixer, not the lawyer. Mark hazowitz was the lawyer. Jason greenblum was the lawyer. These guys were in the thick of every business dealing, while Michael Cohen, while he played a significant role, was not the guy fighting all this extensive litigation that the president had in court. Michael cohen was involved in a lot of the controversial matters. Youre right, not the business dealings at all. Why thats so important, though, is Michael Cohen has been professing he has this attorneyclient privilege relationship. The president pointed out that attorneyclient privilege is dead based on what hes calling his personal attorney. If in fact he wasnt your personal attorney, you dont qualify for the same privilege. The hyperbole youre speaking of really comes from the president himself. Nora, what does it mean that the federal judge in new york today announced there would be a socalled master that would review all the documents, decide what was pertinent, decide what isnt pertinent . Wolf, its bad news for Michael Cohen and bad news for the president. Their first preference would have been to get the documents back and review it themselves. They dont want an independent person going through their attorneyclient communications. Very distinguished federal judge practiced for a time well a law thirm where i used to practice. Shell do a good job, wolf, thats the other thing. If mr. Cohen took his documents. Now with a special master involved, it will have some pace. The last thing ill say is these two issues, dr. Jackson, Michael Cohen, theyre related. Its the president s kbrov sagsal style. And every time he opens his mouth about Michael Cohen, he causes more problems for Michael Cohen. It must have chilled Michael Cohen to say, those are my business dealings. Everybody hold their thoughts for a moment. There is a lot more breaking news were following, including, as you just saw, Michael Cohen. Hes back in court right now. I have some live pictures from the federal courthouse in new york as this socalled special master has been named to review documents seized in the fbi. His hotel room, his safe deposit box, his electronic equipment, cell phones, computers, a whole bunch of stuff. Plus a cabinet in chaos as the va secretary battles it out with scott pruitt. He directly contradicts what he said just a few weeks ago. 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There was plenty of ground to cover, his expense siive securi demands, for example, his 43,000 soundproof booth, something that reminds everybody of ben carsons dining room table. I did not have access to secure communications. I gave direction to my staff to address that, and out of that came a 43,000 expenditure that i did not approve. So youre not taking responsibility for the 43,000 that was spent on your office. Youre saying staff did it without your knowledge . They took that process and signed off on it all the way through. You were not involved in that . I was not involved in the approval of the 43,000, and if i had known about it, congressman, i would have refused it. Do you believe Public Officials should be held to the highest standards of ethical conduct . I believe that, yes. Lets get back to our panel. Shannon, how do you think hes doing . Well, if the president is watching, he probably wont think hes doing very well, because he seems to have stepped on this issue of whether or not he knew about these raises where he ended up saying that they had been requested. The indications that weve been getting from our reporting is that pruitts time is short and that its really just a matter of time before hes removed from this position. The white house is not defending him. He has some defenders on capitol hill but very few surrogates defending him out there, and if you look at the statements from the press office and other officials, they are very, we are looking into this, we are investigating, he will have to answer a lot of serious questions. I think it doesnt really matter how much he does today, i think the writing is on the wall. In an earlier interview, jeff, with fox news he was asked about significant pay raises for some of his staffers. He said he didnt really know anything about it. But listen to what he said today when he was pressed on this issue. Internal emails. Sara greenwald, one of the aides who received a substantial raise, said you were aware of and supported the raises. Was that true . I think with respect to the raises that was true . I have five minutes, so toi hav to move along. I was not aware of the amount were you aware of the raises . I was not aware of the amount, nor was a wear of the bypassing or the ppo process not being respected. Why did you go around the white house and give two pay raises i did not. My staff did it. Should some firing be done . Maybe. A career person or a political person . I dont know. You dont know who did it . I found out about this yesterday and i corrected the action. What do you think . Hes not fully aware of whats going on. The reality, though, that fox interview was intended to clear things up. Obviously that didnt happen. What i was struck by was the republicans on that committee, including the chairman, he said these issues are too persistent to ignore. We are looking for more clarity. If theyre looking for more clarity, i didnt hear that this morning. He held his own in some respects. Shannon is right. Our reporting is indicating the same thing. Hes a short timer in every respect. One sector that is urging the president to hold onto him, thaet t thats the oil and gas industry. Some of the president s top supporters have urged him to stick with him. They know scott pruitt, but its become untenable. The president is annoyed by these headlines, to say the least. In that fox interview this morning, he really went after his own Justice Department. Let me play the clip. They have this witch hunt going on with people in the Justice Department that shouldnt be there. They have a witch hunt against the president of the United States going on. Im very disappointed in my Justice Department. But because of the fact that its going on, and i think youll understand this, i have decided that i wont be involved. I may change my mind at some point, because whats going on is a disgrace. Its an absolute disgrace. So norm, the attorney general of the United States is a republican, the Deputy Attorney general of the United States is a republican. The fbi director is a republican. Robert mueller, the special counsel, is a republican. Hold on for a moment. Michael avenatti, i think we have that. Hes just emerged from the courtroom. Hes the lawyer for Stormy Daniels. [ inaudible question ] i think there is no question it implicates him, and i dont think you can reconcile what the president said on fox friends, with the statements on air force i, with the private statements of Michael Cohen, those are all reconcilable and thats a problem for the president and mr. Cohen. When the president said Michael Cohen did a tiny bit of legal work for him, what significance can that have for him . I think it has a Significant Impact as it relates to privilege. [ inaudible ] well, it looks like Michael Cohen was waking out the same time that Michael Avenatti was speaking. A lot of reporters rushed over to try to get some reaction from Michael Cohen. Thats why we havent heard a question from Michael Avenatti, but now heres another question. We want to make sure that nothing happens to the documents and information relating to the 130,000 payment, the agreement that was reached, and what we believe to be the coverup. Anything else . [ inaudible question ] i dont think they challenged it. I think they just wanted an opportunity to review the motion, and hopefully well be able to work it out so theres no issues. Im confident in our ability to do so. [ inaudible question ] i think ultimately it will be shown that there is a number of things that are nefarious in the communications between Michael Cohen and others relating to the agreement and the 130,000 payment. Im sorry . Can you elaborate . Not at this time. Is miss daniels coming back to court . Im highly confident shell be returning to court at an appropriate time. I appreciate it. Thank you. So there you have it. Ill get to the Justice Department in a moment, but let me get your thought, first of all. We just heard from Stormy Daniels attorney. Its very similar to the announcements of the panel, wolf. The president did damage to Michael Cohen and to himself with his statements today, and the bigger damage is that theyre not consistent. First he says on air force i, he walks away from it. Then today he admits that cohen was representing him in the storm ildaniels hoemt. Then you have such veracity according to the washington post, 2,000 lies. The president s ability to deal with the rule of law, and you enumerated them, wolf. The president cant deal with it if he cant tell the truth. Thats why there is this sense of the walls closing in. So he should be quiet. I know hes gotten that legal advice from many people and hes not listening. Do you know who is being very quiet right now, laura, that would be Michael Cohen, which is not consistent with the Michael Cohen booef known over the years. Hes being told by his lawyers, you know what, you cant shut up. Hes walking rorlters questionsment Michael Avenatti, the lawyer for Stormy Daniels. Remember, its very tantalizing to look at Michael Cohen and Michael Avenatti and think its all one issue. The Michael Jackson cohen case the raid. Michael avr naenattis case determines if the underlying issue is legal. The reason why its important that he spoke just now, and what youre talking about is so key here, is that the president s under statements have. It almost speaks nothing on the issue of, you have to keep. Ment. The president referring to his Justice Department this morning which he clearly doesnt like. He said i may get involved in the Justice Department because whats going on is a disgrace, its an absolute disgrace. Hes hinting right now, sessions and rosenstein and others, maybe theyll still have jobs, but at some point he could change his mind. The president essentially te telegraphing what his intention is for the Justice Department, saying theyre all cabinet members. There is no one the president wants to fire more in his cabinet because of his actions a year ago, than jeff sessions. The president wants to fire the attorney general, but its so blocked in by members of congress, he cant do that, too. He fired mueller, he fired rosenstein, he could fire sessi session. Its the firing of comey that got him in the obstruction box. Just so were clear, the president. Its a very busy news day here in washington, the next secretary of state is about to be confirmed. Get his thoughts on pompeo, a long decline of the state department of diplomacy. Much more after this. 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They are still hopeful because they believe there is time to pull the state department out of what has really become a nosedive. That said, there is a reason mike pompeo came very close to an Historic Senate Foreign Relations committee. At the last minute there were deals cut and rand paul came around and he passed that committee, obviously. The reasoning behind that was he seems, much more so than Rex Tillerson before him, to be ideally suited to the job of willing executioner of the state department. He has rallied around the president s calls for the iran de deal. Your book, war on peace, how long has the state department been on the decline . Right now obviously we see these headlines, purge at the state department. Battle against the state department. Embassies sit empty around the world. Critical, critical posts just not being attended to. We tho lono longer have negotia and peacekeepers at some of the most confrontational places in the world. That said, this isnt unprecedented. We can look at recent history and see very clearly what happens when we shortchange diplomacy. This is a new extreme, but if you look, for instance, at the Clinton Administration where there was a 30 cut over the course of the 90s to diplomacy and development, the results of that were devastating. Embassies closing. Two Government Agencies closed and folded into the state department in a really inadequate way. Those were devoted, by the way, to information and arms control, two priorities that are among the most important in the world right now. In retrospect, this was a really bad move and it left us very unprepared in terms of diplomatic capacity after 9 11. Why is the diplomacy, from your perspective, more important now than ever . Right now we face an array of complex challenges, from a rising iran and the controversies around the deal with iran, to north korea now similarly coming into the fore as a potential nuclear threat. Look, these are all great illustrations of why we need negotiators and peacekeepers and experts. Yes, donald trump can sit down leader to leader with the North Koreans. But with every expert who has been involved with decades of north korea says time will tell us everything. The North Koreans have lied to us before, and succeed or fail, that approach is not embedded in a longterm strategy, not embedded in any kind of considered expertise, and that is what we lose when we sacrifice our diplomats. It makes our country less safe around the world. As you know, the french president , emmanuel macron, was here last week. He was trying to save the Iran Nuclear Deal which the president hates. It doesnt seem he managed to sway the president. Hell make a final decision may 12. If the United States pulls out of the Iran Nuclear Deal, how will that change the equation where state diplomats are concerned . Everyone around the world watching this is terrified. You see macron coming in and saying, yes, maybe a new alternative deal seems to be a concession, a hail mary pass to not sacrifice this whole thing. One of the key things i would highlight is not only does a union sabotage the iran deal, but without a doubt a substantive deal that has had some strides they have not cheated yet would draw a wedge between us and our european allies. But it sends a message to one of the world regimes. Why would they ever come to the table if they know we backed down from these deals. Ronah farrows new book is called war on peace. Thank you so much for writing the book. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, wolf. Coming up, thevolving the president s longtime lawyer, the fixer, the confidante, the friend. Well be right back. Over. Hey, want to try it . Ok here you go. Over. Under. Hey whoa, pop, pop. Your shoes untied. Ensure hes well taken care of, even as you build your own plans for retirement. 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Im very disappointed in my Justice Department, but because of the fact that its going on, and i think youll understand this, i have decided that i wont be involved. I may change my mind at some point, because whats going on is a disgrace. Its an absolute disgrace. Joining us from capitol hill right now, vermont senator john leahy. What do you think when he says whats going on in the Justice Department is a complete disgrace . Both republicans and democrats up here say theyve never heard of anything like that. The president almost sounded hysterical. No president is above the law. President trump says he has to be above the law, nobody else is. Thats not the way it works. Richard nixon found that out. And you cant attack the Justice Department. You can attack Law Enforcement that way, especially those thousands of career people. I have no idea whether theyre republicans or democrats, theyre just doing their jobs. I was a prosecutor. I could not imagine anybody attacking me in this kind of a political way. Thats why this morning the Overwhelming Senate judiciary committee, republicans and democrats together, voted on a bill to protect the special prosecutor. I know you passed that measure to protect robert mueller, the special counsel, but is it really going to go anywhere . The Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell says hes never going to let it come up for a vote. He repeatedly has stressed that even if it were to pass the president would veto that legislation. Are you simply seeking to send a message with this Committee Vote . I would much rather see the bill signed into law. But the message ought to be very, very clear. Republicans and democrats like saying, you keep your hands off a criminal investigation. Nobody is above the law. The president is trying to act as though he, of all americans, is above the law. Thats not the case. I dont care whether the president is a republican or democrat. Theyre not above the law any more than you or i are, wolf. The attorney general jeff sessions, as you know, he appeared before your committee this week. He was asked about recusal from the Michael Jackson cohen case Southern District of new york, a separate hearing going on. What do you think he should say or do, because there is a lot of confusion about whether hes recused himself from the Michael Jackson Michael Cohen hearing thats taking place. We know he recused himself from the russia probe. If he recused himself from anything to do with the president and involvement with the elections. Now, its very clear, two things. One, President Trump himself petitioned the court to be a be one of the advocates in the Michael Cohen case after months of denying that he used Michael Cohen to pay off a porn star. He admits that, yes, he was involved with that. And i think that the recusal statute and law for the department of justice, the guidelines, are very, very clear. Attorney general sessions has no really no wiggle room here. He has to recuse himself from this based on the president intervening as a party to the suit and based on all the evidence that has come out. Senator leahy, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, wolf. Take care. Weve got some major breaking news coming in to cnn right now. There has been a verdict thats been reached in the bill cosby trial. Were going to thena jones. Shes standing outside the courtroom outside the courthouse in pennsylvania a tr. Athena, i take it we dont have a verdict yet but were about to get one . This verdict of seven men and five women has reached a verdict. We hope to learn what that verdict is in the next five minutes now that theyre being called back into the courtroom. This jury has deliberated for 14 hours and 13 minutes after a sevenday trial. Remember, this is the second time bill cosby is being tried on these charges. He is charged with aggravated indecent assault for drugging and sexually assaulting Andrea Constand in 2004. In the first trial last year, the jury was not able to reach a verdict in that case. The judge declared a mistrial. Now we have this new case having been deliberated. Whats interesting about this, wolf, this is the first major case coming to trial after the me too movement, after this Huge Movement where there was an emphasis on Sexual Assault, sexual harrassment in the workplace. It has brought down many stars in the media, in hollywood starting with harvey weinstein, so it will be interesting to see what kind of result the jury comes to in this trial. We do know a few things about deliberations. We know the jury asked the judge what it means to consent to a sexual encounter. That was one of the things that the jury asked the judge. The judge told them that he cant tell them what consent means. It is going to be up to the jury to determine that. Just quickly on the specific counts cosby is charged with, hes charged with penetrating the genitals of a complainant with part of his body without the complainants consent. Hes charnged of doing the same while the complainant was unconscious. The complainant being Andrea Constand. The third charge said he administered drugs for the purpose of preventing resistance. Whats important in this case in the second trial, wolf, five women, five other women separate from constand, testified cosby drugged and assaulted them in previous incidents, and the prosecutors say this establishes a pattern of behavior by bill cosby. So that is information that was part of this trial. And one thing i should note is that cosbys attorneys are saying, yes, cosby did have a sexual encounter with Andrea Constand but it was consensual. Business colkoh bill cosby says when constand asked him to stop, he stopped. This is a witch hunt essentially. Were just told hes been convicted on all three counts, all three counts of aggravated, indecent assault punishable by up to ten years in prison. Our legal analyst is with us, laura coates, as well. That would be 30 years if you add them up. He could serve yes, in pennsylvania, if you have ten, ten, ten, concurrently means all at once. Many are shocked hearing the verdict in this case because this case was so drastically different than the first one. You have the ability to have the civil settlement put in place, the 3. 2 million before the jury. You had the idea you had the witness on behalf of the defense team. They heard Andrea Constand make a statement that she was simply trying to frame a highprofile person. In this trial, unlike the first one, you were able to hear testimony from five other women in addition to Andrea Constand, who was saying, listen, this happened to me, too. Me, too, has been the phrase used consistently in this case. In front of those jurors, they were able to hear those who not only espoused the sentiment of me, too. If he is to serve all the jail time, the sentencing is still out there. I want to note that unlike the first trial where they were trying to paint this as a romantic endeavor perhaps, one that was con sensual, this time the defense decided to say this was essentially the equivalent of a gold digger, based on the civil settlement that obviously did not speak well to the jurors in this case. They did not buy into the notion that it was somebody who is motivated by a financial settlement or otherwise. Now you have this very unique position. The very first time that you have a celebrity highprofile metoo case, and this only a day and a half in. And you have this. Everyone thought, wolf, because of this, because of of the questions that were asked about please define consent for us, that it would bode like it did in the last trial. They thought it would have the same hung result. Here we see those questions did not dissuade this jury from convicting bill cosby in this monumental case. In Montgomery County jury, once again for jurors who might be just tuning in, all three counts guilty, all three counts of aggravated assault, accused of drugging and assaulting Andrea Constand back in 2004. Relatively speaking a long time ago. The 80yearold faces up to ten years in prison on each count. He could serve them concurrently. He could wind up spending up to ten years in prison, right . Right. And for somebody who is already in his 80s, this is probably going to be the equivalent, if he does serve jail time, there is a possibility there could be a probationary sentence. He could serve the equivalent of the rest of his life in jail based on this. This also does speak volume about the power of deposition testimony. Bill cosby for a large part of the first trial was having his earlier deposition that led to a civil settlement and led to that 3. 2 million settlement, he was fighting to keep the information about his previous use or distribution of quaaludes out of the hand of any jury. You see the impact of that civil deposition on a criminal case, which of course we know in our time right now talking about other very important cases in the United States of mramerica, being able to depose somebody can have significant in the court of Public Opinion, that played a very prominent role. You had more than 50 women who came forward to accuse bill cosby overs the past of the last several decades. Now were seeing that we have the court of Public Opinion that probably weighed in to a jury comprised of one black man, one black woman, seven men and does it mean maybe the more useful millennials had some impact on this metoo there was significant evidence in the testimony. Pu its still shocking in that so long after this case transpired, of course in the 11th hours the prosecutor decided after a Campaign Promise was supposed to be fulfilled to prosecute bill cosby. The prosecutor said we declined because there was not any physical evidence. When it came down to a he said she said battle, in this case bill cosbys word was not good enough and largely bolstered by the court of Public Opinion. Normally what would happen now as far as bill cosby is concerned . The judge presumably has to decide does he immediately go to prison . Does he immediately go to jail . I sincerely doubt in this case for somebody who does not have a criminal background and its not considered the typical type of violent criminal activity that would lead the court to think this is person is a threat to the community. I presume hell go home pending sentencing. Its been his right as a citizen in a court of law to essentially say i can protect my name and i can try to advocate in my own defense without it being held against me. Here i think the court will have a sentencing memorandum read for them, will have interviews conducted and theyre also going to have very importantly victim impact statements in a case like this where you actually get to hear the opinion of the victims in this case, probably just Andrea Constand about what they would like to see happen. Either way bill cosby is going to have a conviction of aggravated indecent assault, a Sexual Assault related crime. Thats really shocking for a man who has a very different opinion in the public eye. Athena, what else are you learning . We know a little more about the jurys deliberation. We talked about how long they deliberated, 14 hours, 22 minutes. We talked about one of the questions they had for the judge that led a lot of folks to say, wait, if the jury is not sure about what consent really is, what consent means, then where are they going to go with this ruling. Now we know the verdict. But one more thing i should mention about the deliberation, we know that the jury laura brought up that 2005 deposition in the civil case that bill cosby gave that was sealed and eventually unsealed by a judge in the last couple of years in july of 2015. So this jury asked for the judge to read back some of that deposition, that testimony, specifically when cosby admitted to giving quaaludes to a woman, those are sedatives, to a woman in las vegas, his admitting he procured quaaludes to give women he wanted to have sex with. He said he had a romantic interest with Andrea Constand from the moment he saw her, the first time he saw her, he described descriptions of her coming to visit his house, he described their encounter. Its very clear the jury was being very careful going through the elements of this case, trying to figure out what verdicts they should reach and its clear these seven men and five women believed Andrea Constand, which is fairly significant in a case that has been he said she said. I do think that this Metoo Movement had something to do with that. And these other five women laura coates mentioned, dozens came forward and five were allowed to testify. That certainly had some sort of impact here. Bill cosby convicted on all three counts of all the. Mark geragos, what do you think . The biggest mistake is cosby never should have let monahan lead his case. Hes well respected there. Its always tough and i never recommend, i get asked this all the time to parachute in to state court case when is youre an out of towner. You dont know the nuances and he had a win, you know, more than ten years ago in jackson, but you cant be a onetrick pony and just come in and parachute in to some jurisdiction. In a case like this, jury selection is everything. If you dont know the nuances of the philadelphia suburbs and who lives where. And then this idea that he was going to take no prisoners basically with her and with the others and kind of, you know, one speed or one size fits all with witnesses, i just say this is not surprising to me. I said it early on that i didnt i said last time i thought last time it would be hung and i thought brian did a marvelous job. But this case was just a textbook disaster from start to finish on this trial. So hes not going to be awaiting sentencing, mark. Then i assume at some point they could try to appeal, right . Yes. Absolutely. I guarantee you theyre going to appeal. They probably will appeal one of the first issues will probably be notansi answering t question as to consent. I know theres no definition and always fraught with danger when a juror asks a question but thats probably going to be my guess is the first thing you would do is you try to get ahold of the jurors, you try to interview the jurors, you try to see if there was anything untoward that happened in the jury deliberation room and then you try to tie it to the consent issue and see if there was anything else