Transcripts For CSPAN Washington Journal 20131025

You say repeal it, and if you say keep it as is. You can also make a comment on. Ur twitter page you can send us an email at. Ournal at cspan. Org one of the contractors on the front page, there suspect a lot of time in the witness chair at the energy and commerce committee. Same headline and picture on the front page of the Washington Post. Representative kim murphy is on the committee. He is a republican from pennsylvania. Heres a little bit of what he had to say. As chairman of the Oversight Investigations Committee i have heard numerous promises from the Administration Officials that all is well with the healthcare law. Not true. Either these officials were shockingly unaware of what was happening inside their own agencies or deliberately misleading our committee and the public. This would all turn around. Two weeks before enrollment began we were told that consumers could go online, shop and enroll on october 1 heard not true. We were promised a website where people could easily compare plans and costs. We find the later American Public has been dumped with the ultimate cash for clunkers, except they had to pay the cash and still got the clunker. And from politico this , the Obama Administration is working to push back a deadline wyoming,in casper, what do you think should be done with the healthcare law . Caller i wish i could repeal it. It would be better for us because, im not sure. There has to be a reason why you think it should be repealed . Obamas of president he should be able to do what he wants to do. That needs to say also there should be a choice if you want obamacare or not. Also the government is being closed down just because of obamacare . Becausenot civilized there are a lot of people on government, but now obamacare is new, but he wants to just, i dont know what he wants to do, but i think you should have a chance to do that if he wants to do obamacare because that is what he wants, you know . Host that is christine cassel, wyoming. I think it should be delayed because there are a lot of issues with it. Host ok, what kind of issues do you see . There are a lot of people were i live that are unemployed and cant afford insurance. Related article in the Washington Post scott wilson writes obama is able to fire, but not so willing. David, in new windsor, maryland, what do you think . Caller if you are a windows user you know their updates to windows about every other day. Enormous amount of progress were going through. People need to remember that in addition to the federal government, the republicans on the federal side were doing everything they could to derail this. The republican dominated states are also refusing to set up exchanges. Theyre doing everything they can to make it fail and i think the only way to prove whether it is going to be successful or not is to keep pushing forward and give people a chance to really use it and take advantage of the benefits. Host thank you for calling in. Edmund tweets in regarding yesterdays hearing at the energy and commerce committee. Heres the New York Times this morning. Frank pallone is a democrat from new jersey. He got a little testy. Heres a bit of that. Information is required in the application process and why is that . Because preexisting conditions dont matter. Once again here we have my republican colleagues trying to scare everybody. I will not yield to this monkey court or whatever this is. Do it you want, i am not yielding. Im trying to tell you that the if preexisting conditions dont matter, if it doesnt apply, then there is no information in the process. Youre not asked Health Information so wiry going down this path . Youre trying to scare people so they dont apply and so therefore the legislation gets delayed or the Affordable Care act gets defunded or it is repealed. Calls. Ow back to your freddie in indianapolis. What you think should be done with health care law, freddie . Im a vietnam veteran who lost his sight while on active duties and i received my medical treatment to the vas health care system. I love the vas health care system. So if that makes me socialist for loving the government for , if that makesme me socialist for wanting everyone to have Health Care Service then im a proud socialist. I am all for leaving the law the way it is and fix the problems. Any american who wants to deny another American Healthcare myvice, i regret that i lost site on their behalf. Thank you. Paul, what is your opinion . Caller that va vet did just called, people out here appreciate your service but there are people i hear that do not want a socialist government telling them what they have and have not. Representative alone right there and that is a clear fact that he just sat right there and lied like a dog like the rest of them democrats are nothing but liars. Host what would you like to see done with the healthcare law, paul . Set it is the first step to hominis him. Should not have to do anything as far as buying something that is forced from this federal government. It is a shame that the democrats. If you like this law so much didnt take your hind end out there and sign for it. What you have is the first up thatds communism. Host was from tennessee. Page the front jack, davenport, iowa. Caller this is the first time we have had computer glitches. Does a been happening forever. Theres a backup plan and i think what they need to do is emphasize the paper applications. Those paper applications will work just fine. I dont think we should stop this help for ordinary people. Those subsidies shouldnt be stopped. Looking at voting problems weve had with computers, those have happened a lot. People are just loving computers and they think that is the answer to everything, but paper gets my vote or die think they should emphasize paper applications more. Host what do think about the law itself . Caller the law is fine. Get the help for the ordinary person going and keep it going. They could have predicted if this was microsoft running this problem that there would the glitches. Is windows 95ere version two and version three. The computer stuff is completely predictable. But paper would work and they should keep emphasizing it. Host all right, thanks for calling in. In caller north carolina. High, jeff. I wish our representatives in washington would just begin to do their job. Finding solutions for problems that we have rather than get up and grandstand. Its a lot of wasted time. I was a Computer Operator for over 20 years. With four different systems. Every time a new system was installed we always had problems. We always had to finetune those systems. So this is nothing new. The republicans should be voted out of office if they are only going to use their time to belittle laws that we have artie got in place. That we have already got in place. Fix it and move forward. Morning,itical this next call comes from nate in new jersey. That is mount laurel, new jersey. High, nate. What you want to see done with the healthcare law . Caller i think it is a good start. I dont think it is perfect. I think there are areas like the escalating cost of prescription that the current law doesnt really control, but i think as far as the use of the makes, i think it americans more competitive in the global job market because we costthe highest medical and if you start competing with india and china and other countries in europe Global Companies who try to hire people, the cost for hiring people outside of the country is less than hiring people within. The healthcare law itself will make americans more competitive in the global market. Also, i want to say the website, i worked in i. T. From us 50 did the worked, i operational Readiness Demonstration for the national is aace system, and this system you saw at 911 with radar in thes and planes skies. The bottom line is, all systems have problems when they are initially introduced. It is just a matter of fixing software. Deal, all the Major Software companies in the tontry come out with fixes projects that are in production all the time. Not just microsoft, ibm, hp, whatever. I think our lawmakers need to work on making the healthcare and concentrate nate, did youost watch a new the hearing yesterday . Caller i watch all of it. Host what did you think . Testing thetarted mass system in the 70s. That went into production in 1971. Were testing 24 by seven we were testing 24 seven for two years. It was a little different than commercial systems, but the point is you dont to System Integration testing several weeks before you getting ready to go into production status. Clearly was i do know of any Major Software company would do that. Host thanks for calling in. From the Huffington Post this morning. That is from the Huffington Post. Heres a front page of the Guardian Newspaper out of london. You can see a full banner headline. U. S. Spied on 35 world leaders. Again, front page of the guardian. On the healthcare law, what you think should be done with it . Line fromling on our portage, indiana. Caller repeal it. Get rid of it. Host why . Caller nothing you have said about it has been accurate. Every time they tried it crimes and and on your throat it is not right area and is going to cost my grandkids their future. Is going to cost my kids more money. They are the ones were going to have to pay the bill for the ones that cant afford it and theyre the ones starting out with children. They have a future. Theyre the ones that are going to have to pay for the ones that are not going to be able to afford it. Theyre the ones that have educations that works to get a good education and have a decent future. Theyre going to have to pay for the ones that arent willing to get up and go out and get a job and work that can provide instead of sitting and being couch potatoes and saying they are suppressed, that they dont have a chance, when they have the same equal opportunity if they get up and go and do something. Just because they dont have the opportunity, thats wrong. Everybody has a opportunity if they want to use it and do something with their life. Host all right, keith, thank you for calling this morning. While that was going on on the hill, the president was holding a press conference in a meeting on immigration. Here is the hill newspaper. That is in the hill newspaper this morning. Heres a little bit of what the president had to say about immigration at the white house yesterday. This isnt just the right thing to do, it is the smart thing to do. Securing our borders, modernizing our Legal Immigration system, providing a pathway to earned legalized citizenship, growing our economy , strengthening our middle class, reducing our deficits. That is what commonsense Immigration Reform will do. Now, obviously just because something is smart and fair and good for the economy and fiscally responsible and ,upported by business and labor the evangelical community and Many Democrats and republicans, that does not mean that it will actually get done. Rather than create problems, lets prove to the American People that washington connection resolve some problems. This reform comes as close to anything we have got to a law that will benefit everybody now and far into the future. So lets see if we can get this done. Lets see if we can get it done this year. Front page ofhe the Los Angeles Times this morning. Back to your calls on the healthcare law. What do you want to be done with it . Keep it come a repeal it, fix and delay it . What do you think bill in massachusetts . Caller years ago there is a famous movie called the sting turco paul newman was in it. It is no longer a movie. Obama is not about socialism. Obamacare is a trojan horse for the u. S. To pay reparations for also to relieve the conscience of the white population. We have been had. It amazes me how many people can actually watch fox news and the sow disinformation theyre calling this socialist but is a big giveaway to the Insurance Companies. If it was socialist, trust me, it would be just like the va. I go to the va. I get 80 for writing down. It is ridiculous. I cant leave that people how to get people to say dont help me, dont help me . Believe the plan would be a whole lot better plan if we had a public option in it, but thats not going to happen. I cant believe people would actually call in and say please dont give me health care. It is unbelievable. Thank you. Host thank you, walter. From politico this morning. Michael, right here in washington dc, michael, would he think about the healthcare law and you think should be done with it . Caller thanks for taking my call. We definitely need to fix it. To the callerd earlier you said that obamacare was a first step to socialism because it forces our children to buy something. Children are never going to drive, but when my children grow up theyre going to drive a car and theyre going to have to buy Car Insurance. Many states have lowcost Insurance Programs to help people who cant afford regular private market insurance. To help them keep from going bankrupt if they get in a car accident. The Affordable Care act does the same thing. If the republicans were so concerned about what happens to our children in the future, then they would pass a jobs bill so that these kids coming out of college can get a job. Cringe how much hypocrisy there is when many of the republicans who said the same exact thing about the islout of Medicare Part d far zero glitches and, we just need to work as glitches out, some of the same republicans came down so hard in the hearing yesterday. The republican hypocrisy is just ridiculous. If you listened to much right it is always going to be lost. Host pearson tweets we are getting. Facebook you can make a comment there. That is facebook. Com cspan. Here are some of the tweets we have been receiving. Eric is in laurel, maryland. High eric. Think they should do the kentucky governors version. If you dont like it to step back and get out of the way and let it be done. We had the gentleman just talking name keith. He used code words like these people are depressed. The majority of people that are on public assistance are not black folks. That hurts me. What . T working, but guess i get up every moment ago try to work. I had to quit a job from this company that refused to give me a raise for years work. I was an outstanding worker but they were hiring people of all persuasions. Does unfair stuff. It is going to be ok. Im going to keep on moving. Let the healthcare thing work itself out. Excuse me. If you look at negative stuff than negative things are going to happen. Eric in laurel, maryland in the suburbs. Heres trawls from fort collins, colorado. I think americans just need to take a deep breath, step back and think about this. Where what situation is the alternative . I sat there and watched paul ryans 20 page plan which i read along with the healthcare bill, the 600 page version, go from the cbo. It was left out. It was not viable, the voucher plan. So anybody saying lets repeal this, lets get rid of it and then he hasnt had a chance to get off the ground heard it has been working in massachusetts. Reuters just did a polling there and it has over 85 approval rate, so what are we sit down, take a deep breath, put all the pundits and the talking heads. Way and lets give it a chance because the old system, i think everybody would agree on, both right and left, was nonsustainable and it was a real train wreck, costing us money where the cbo says this will years. Our debt over 10 it will not cost us near what the old system was. Thank you, charles and fort collins colorado. Next week, secretary sibelius will be on the hill talking about the healthcare website, but there will also be a meeting of the budget conference committee. They will begin meeting officially next week as well. Here are some articles this week about that meeting next week. Turc s the hill that is in the hill newspaper. Here it is the Washington Post take on it. Ere is the washington journal take on it. Finally, here is the financial times. Back to calls on healthcare. Stewart, what would you like to have done with the healthcare law. Southt is calling us from carolina. Caller obviously it is a repeal. It should never have been put into place. I have listened to the news more than ever in my life. Since obama has taken office this country has been out of control. I look at the whole process when theyre talking about i finally figured out what he did in college. He had to of been a janitor because everything he does stinks. Theres not one good thing this guy has produced for this country except chaos and havoc. Host ina is calling from denver. High ina, what would you like to see done with the healthcare law . Caller thank you so much. Is hard when youre out in the west heard i want to know why no one has mentioned the rattlesnakes in the gop dan . Just one example for Research Done by families usa. 1996, ceo ofear, Oxford Health plans took 111 in total compensation. Two of the top executives of Oxford Health plans that same year took the following amounts. David snow took 34 million 24,000, Robert Smollett took . 1 million with 170 million going to just three top executives of a small eastern u. S. Hmo. Is he any wonder that there was nobody left for the healthcare of American People at large. Gina is is in picayune mississippi. Caller i think just like the guy previously called, i think our whole country is in just such a disarray that it is turned into a big joke. I think it is hysterical how the democrats are blaming everything on the republicans when they are in charge. It is just an absolute joke. Etting back to the healthcare if you look at the whole picture , in the end, it is going to all fallback on the taxes. Is going to be the middle class that gets burned in the situation. The middleclass taxes are going to go up. It was always on the middle class. Country, as sad as they are, just get a free ride on the backs of the middle class. I am 60 years old and im still having to work. My husband works and we can barely make it because of all the taxes we have to pay for people who dont work. Some of them legitimately are ill and have a reason, but so many of them are just lazy people who didnt do it theyre supposed to do in life and now somebody else has to take care of them. I am disgusted with it. Thank you. Host thank you, gina. From political this morning. Joe paterno son is going to run for congress. Son of the late x penn state ist wall joe paterno considering challenging representative glenn thompson, a republican in pennsylvania. From the hill newspaper this morning. U. S. Careening from crisis to crisis. Hillary clintons speech last night was on cspan and you can watch it in our Video Library in cspan. Org in case youre interested. Chris is in omaha, nebraska. Chris, what you think should be done with the healthcare law . Caller maybe fix it. The me tell you something. Ive been working since i was 14 years old and i am now 53. I paid for my own Health Insurance since i was 16. The right is so big on people taking responsibility for themselves, why is it just not a natural Necessary Evil to have Health Insurance . Why we haverstand to be forced to buy something, but obviously we do because people are irresponsible and not taking its just not doing what is right. It is ethically right to have Health Insurance. It is said that the Insurance Companies are making so much money, but i dont know. I think people should just man up and buy their own Health Insurance . Our next caller from henman, kentucky. Caller i think people should give it time to work very i know people here in eastern kentucky, coal miners, have had sick children. Insurance andve they lost everything they had. They lost their job, lost her children. We have to give this thing time to work. Our congress and our senators, they need to Work Together very with the president. We elected these men and women. The Affordable Care act is a great plan for this country. You, sir. K did you watch any of the hearing yesterday . Caller oh yes. Especially watch cspan. It is my favorite. Host a couple more tweets. Us is james. Next is dell in bethlehem, pennsylvania. Caller i think they should delay the mandatory part of it. If youo like to say that look at it closely, is working fine in all the states we have democratic governors. Republicans that refuse to extend medicare to the people there just writing their feet so they can say it is not successful. If you look at massachusetts is fine. And know a lot of people in massachusetts are very happy with it. Mentioned that if you punch in insurance refund checks, they have been giving out billions of dollars for people being overcharged by Insurance Companies. That was a fantastic idea. They punch seven and you will see billions of reasons why republicans are fighting this law. Thank you very much. In the New York Times this morning. Coke group admits spending violations. A secretive Nonprofit Group with ties to the conservative businessman charles and david cook admitted to him properly failing to disclose more than 15 million in contributions washington journal. I saw firsthand the tragedies that children face when they are not cared for by loving parents. It was in the sheriffss office where i first witnessed the horrors of child sex trafficking and it convinced me that we needed to do more to protect our youth at risk of abuse. Like me and many other youth in care, we be came accustomed to being isolated, much like the victims of domestic violence. By adapting to multiple moves from home to home, this allows us to easily adapt to when traffickers move us multiple times from hotel to hotel, city to city and state to state. These exploiters go without fear of punishment due to the lack of attention when young people go missing. No one looks for us. I really want to make this clear. No one looks for us. In the hear the term child sex trafficking, most americans think it only happens in other countries or the foreign children are brought here to be sold in large cities. In fact, we have learned that most of the victims of child sex trafficking are American Kids who are trafficked in small towns and large urban areas. If people were not aware of it, they are not looking for it. This weekend on cspan, house ways and means looks at changing foster systems to prevent sex trafficking. On cspan two, spent two days in boston live at the texas book festival with panels commemorating the 50th anniversary of jfks assassination, saturday and sunday on booktv. On cspans three American History tv, in a country deeply divided, how the candidate lincoln resolve the political and moral dilemmas crated by the issue of slavery . 30. He evening at 7 washington journal continues. Is the aca anything like you envisioned back in the day when you were working on hillary care, etc. . Aspects of this legislation is that it is going to give an opportunity for tens of millions of people to get protections and benefits they have never had before. The thing most people are worried about his theyre worried about if they can afford health care. This legislation provides for significant subsidies for people so that they can afford premiums and it provides important protections because as you know, Insurance Companies tend to deny coverage to those people who have health problems, pre existing conditions or the charging higher premiums for those people based on their health status. The judge women a higher premium. These kinds of things are a thing of the past and the Affordable Care act is going to protect people against those problems. Again, how are late it is as to what you have been working on . Is this what you wanted . Guest yes. We have today 48 Million People who have no Health Insurance. Than the aggregate population is 24 states plus the district of columbia. That is going to change. That is the myth mission of families usa. Lets make sure people are not shut out of Americas Healthcare system. The Affordable Care act is going to take us a big step towards remedying that. Aboutwe have been talking this issue for a long time on c span often viewers will call in plan,y this is not a good this is a patch of Insurance Companies, we want singlepayer. Respect thati opinion. There countries are on the world that have done this. In the United States we actually like Competitive Forces in the marketplace. Someactually has combination of features i think that a very important. Is thatortant thing people cannot go into a market lace and there will be a variety of Different Health plans and they can select which health plan they want. This is not a government takeover. This is really using market forces. However, for the people who are poor, they can now get health because the Medicaid Program is supposed to be expanded. The Supreme Court changed that somewhat. The Affordable Care act said that every state should expand its Medicaid Program so that low income people can get coverage through medicaid, but this Supreme Court said we are not going to allow the federal government to require states to do this. It is not going to be a state option. Half the states have now selected to do that so in those 25 states, low income people for the first time of going to have access to affordable and good Health Coverage. We still have about 25 states that havent done that. My biggest concern about the Affordable Care act, and lots of things we probably want to talk about that are issues with the aca, my biggest concern about it is that in the 25 states that have not implemented the medicaid expansion, it is only the poorest of the poor who are shut out of the system. That needs to be fixed. Pollock, what about the delays on the rupture site and some of the issues that is facing how concerned are you . Everyone is concerned about that, not least of all the president and secretary of health and human services, and kathleen sebelius. It is a problem. Theres no question it is a problem, you think we need to put it into perspective. Days in this first enrollment. We have now gone through about 1 8 of those days. Hopefully this is going to get fixed. We have a lot of time to get this fixed and to enable people to get enrolled. One of the perspectives i urge people to think about is that when you have a new program, you often experience these kinds of problems. In clearest example is that 2005 and 2006 there was a new program to enable people on medicare to get Prescription Drug coverage. There were wonderful Public Servants who were involved in the implementation of this. Mike lovett was a secretary of health and human services, Mark Mcclellan ran the medicare and Medicaid Program, a terrific Public Servants. Despite all her good and hard work, there were enormous problems with respect to the implementation of programs. The Computer System didnt work well, there was a lot of confusion at pharmacies. Those things ultimately get fixed after quite some time. And now this program is very popular among senior citizens. The sameing to see progression with respect to the Affordable Care act. These problems will get fixed. And people get enrolled. When they start seeing that they are getting access to Affordable Health coverage and it is good coverage for the first time, i think this will be forgotten history. Startingocrats are now , some democrats are starting to call for delay of the individual mandate. Guest that no doubt make it some consideration if this problem persists. Sure that is such a big deal. Remember, in the first year, this individual mandate has a i amsmall benefit to it not sure that is the Biggest Issue here. There are some differences in judgment as to whether it should but i think ultimately this is going to get fixed and fixed relatively soon. I think thats not going to be as big a concern as it might otherwise be. Pollack, guest, ron families usa, the executive director. He graduated from new york university. When did you found families usa and what did you do prior . Guest i started with families usa in 1983. We have been around for over 30 years, actually. Archer that i was dean of the priorh school of law and to that i started an Organization Called the Food Research and Action Center that works on hunger issues. I directed that for 10 years. Host what was your involvement with socalled hillary care . Guest i worked closely with the president and the first lady, not in an official capacity, but , as we have as part of the mission of families usa, offer Affordable Health care for everybody. Without the Clinton Health plan would move us towards that, but we supported it, we work hard for it and we lost. Did you have any role in the development of the Affordable Care act . Guest we push hard for it. We were strong supporters for it. We tried to provide input into the development of the legislation and as he legislation moved through different processes we provided support for it. We tried to inform people around the country about what the provisions are. We still have a lot of people in thoseited states, even who could significantly benefit ofm the aca, were not aware it. Almost all the servers show that the people who can best benefit from the new subsidies that they can receive and the new protections, are unaware of that. Part of our effort has been to undertake Public Education so that more and more people understand it and can make choices that are beneficial for the families. Don in vallejo, california. You first up with ron pollack of families, usa. Caller hello and thank you for cspan. I have been listening all week to this controversy. Peoples like the only that are against this thing are the republicans. I really cant understand their logic. The only thing i could figure it out to be is bigotry. Concerned,igotry is they need to tone that down a to think about the people that dont have Health Insurance. It is not just black people that dont have Health Insurance, it is whites and everybody else. I mean, just come together and try to get it for everybody and andet about this bigotry the blacks need their reparations and these and get their horse and buggy and mules and all this old crap. That is the only people that talk that crap is republicans. Host he is referring back to her collar they called an earlier, but if youd like to refer to his thoughts. It is not just democrats at need healthcare, it is democrats, republicans, 48 Million People who are uninsured. And so i think this is going to be helpful. If you have Health Insurance today, making sure others receive that Health Coverage is helpful to you. I do not mean this in some abstract way. If you have insurance and i do not and i go to the hospital because i have some kind of emergency and i cannot pay for my care, guess whos going to pay for it . The hospital cannot stay in business if people get care and cannot pay for it. On average, the premiums for family Coverage Today are increased by more than 1000 a year to pay for the cost of those who dont have Health Insurance. As more people receive Health Coverage, it will put downward pressure on the premiums that people who do have insurance have to pay. Indianapolis. In caller i would like to make a suggestion for cspan. Actuary whoind an understands the statistics behind health care but who can talk english show normal people can understand. I think that the biggest thing we have to remember about obamacare is to ignore the actuarial science. Older people use more Health Care Resources than younger people do. Women use more than men. People with existing conditions use more than those who do not. What we need is not a more complicated system but i less complicated system. Not of obamacare counting the shifting of remains that is going to happen. For those people providing coverage for people who use more resources but we are not charging them anything. All of that money is coming out of somebodys pocket. Host thank you, sir. Any response . Whot we do have actuaries take a look at each of the bills that congress considers. We have that with respect to the Affordable Care act. The independent group that reviewed this is the Congressional Budget Office. The Congressional Budget Office says the Affordable Care act will reduce the federal deficit in the first 10 years by approximately 135 billion. In the second 10 years, it would reduce the deficit by over 1 trillion. We should always have actuaries take a look at this. We have had actuaries look at this. What favorable in terms of its impact would be on the federal budget. I hope paul and others do not feel that we should defend the Current System that denies Health Coverage to people who need it the most. Im not just talking about low income people but people who are sick, people who may have asthma or diabetes or high Blood Pressure or a history of cancer. They are the ones who have been shut out of Americas Health care system. Insurers do not want to ensure them because they are going to make claims. That has to come to an end. Host we have an email from david. Guest i appreciate davids comments. I think i know something about markets. Markets often work within certain rules. Folks in markets have only one interest and that is to get the best from my company and that is understandable. That is how a free market system works. We have to make sure it is confined within certain rules. We want Insurance Companies to function. We cannot have them function where the people who need Health Coverage the most are excluded. We are placing some the notations. Host do you think it was the right system to make people register before they could browse online . Guest i am not going to be able to be helpful i and technologically challenged. People in my office, if there is a technological issue, the last place they go to is me. I cannot secondguess what was done with respect to the technical systems of healthcare. Org. Host next call comes from carol from virginia. Caller i want to state that i aca should be repealed. I was a medical Office Practice manager for years. We had patients who used the hospital facilities. Clearly people need Health Insurance. Why couldnt we have done a all theurvey to see Insurance Companies who sell Health Insurance, what their are centers of the marketshare is, and have the government create a high risk of people who are uninsured, just like with Car Insurance . We should have done Something Like that to cover people who have no Health Insurance and are suffering from preexisting conditions who have not been able to get coverage. Look at the market share as far as their Health Care Plans and have them take the same market share of the high risk p ool. Their percentage of the high risk pool would continue to go up according to their percentage of plans that they cover. Everybody needs health care but it needs to be an act global plan. The Affordable Care act is not equitable. We need to have something Everybody Needs to be under the same umbrella. This plan does not allow that. Host we will leave it there. Guest i thought carol made interesting point about high risk pools. We tried that with respect to the Affordable Care act. There are a number of states with high risk pools. It is not the best answer. It is an answer. The reason it is not the best answer is that when you have high risk pools, the only people in that pool are people that are sick. And guess what that means it means the premiums rise enormously. What we have found is the high risk pools are extraordinarily expensive. The best way for an insurance system to function is to spread the risk so you have a balanced isolatether than those people who are sick. In terms of people with pre existing conditions, about 1 3 of people under 65 have some form of preexisting condition. I do not think we want to put all those people in a separate pool because the premiums are going to be high. I am not exactly sure what carol meant by exemptions. This program is for people who do not have current Health Coverage through their workplace. It creates a much better individual marketplace. Those people with employer sponsored coverage, unless they pay a higher not in premiums, they will not participate in this marketplace. , if you have Health Coverage in the workplace, you can stay there. Most people in the country with Health Coverage get it through the workplace. That is not designed to change. For those people who cannot yet it and or subjected to rules like preexisting condition exclusions or cannot afford it, they are going to get significant help. One thing i want to emphasize is substantialre very subsidies that will be provided for people in the middleclass and moderate income people. These subsidies extend in terms of eligibility to people and families with incomes up to 400 of the federal poverty level. If you are an individual living alone, extends up to 46,000 in annual income. 4200 if you are the greater the help you need, the greater the help youre going to receive. These subsidies are in the thousands of dollars. This will make Health Coverage much more affordable. Host this tweet for you. Guest we are not changing the whole health care system. I get my Health Coverage in the workplace. That is going to continue. For most people who get Health Coverage, they get in the work waste and that is going to continue. What the Affordable Care act does is focus is on those people who do not have that coverage in the workplace and are trying to pay for it on their own and often are excluded by insurers or cannot afford it. The Affordable Care act tries to help them. In terms of the question, how many people can or will be held different questions. There were 48 Million People who are uninsured. Of that 40 million, there are 10 million in this country and not in the country illegally. They are excluded from the Affordable Care act. Everybody else 37 Million People they can get help under the Affordable Care act. Have many do get help will depend on how many people who get enrolled. It is so important that people learn about these new opportunities and that is why the Computer System needs to be fixed as soon as possible. Host brenda in chester, pennsylvania. Caller hi. I had two things. My husband and i work very hard. Most of the American Public are hard workers. E wrong choices. We are of the middleclass. Our insurance goes up twice a year to the point where he got to be more than a mortgage and we had to drop it. There are a lot of people that are not sick but would like to get the routine checkup and things they need to do. The Affordable Health care will them to do it. It is a good portion of your paycheck. That makes them not able to do other things. People talk about these lazy people. Lets talk about illegal immigrants. I am talking about hard working americans that cannot afford regular checkups. Our insurance goes up on your birthday and in october. By the time you have it, you are paying 800, 900 when youre not even sick. This is the volkswagen plan with the two flat tires. Host have you tried to buy insurance through the exchanges . Caller i am waiting for my insurance agent. He will walk me through it. We are selfemployed, has been for 25 years. We worked very hard. People call with the small minds and thinking everybody that does not have health care are lazy people. Host thank you very much. Ron pollack. Guest brenda talks about how the costs have risen since then shall he. The Affordable Care act was passed in 2010. In a decade before that, they cost more than doubled. You can understand brendas concern that the costs are increasingly unaffordable. This isens to be right, not a Program Designed for t workwho are don;t or contribute their share. There are working families who find the wages they received do not cover Health Insurance. They need help. That is why this reaches deeply into the middle class. They will receive significant help. Take renders situation. Take brendas situation. A you have a major problem, car accident or you incur some significant disease, many insurers put an annual cap and or a lifetime cap on how much they pay out. When people need insurance the most, they are in a noinsurance zone. That is going to come to an end. Tweets in to you guest that is right. If your employer is providing Health Coverage and you do not have to pay an extraordinary amount for your own coverage in plan, thenyers you stay in that plan. If your coverage is dropped by your employer, youll know how this opportunity. One of the things that the Affordable Care act does is try to help Small Businesses afford Health Coverage. Large businesses provide Health Coverage. For those with 50 to 200 w 94 of businesses provide Coverage Today. Workers, 98 n 200 provide coverage. The Small Businesses do not have much bargaining power. What the Affordable Care act does is for the smallest businesses, those fewer than 25 workers, it provides them with an opportunity to receive subsidies to make coverage more affordable. Those subsidies can be as much as 35 of a Small Business owners cost. Will go up to as much as 50 on january 1. For the businesses with the biggest problem providing coverage for their workers, many can get significant help. Iowa, please go ahead with your question or comment. Caller on his comment about medicare and the part d, the drugs part that they put into play, how much it helps out the senior citizens, he doesnt know what he is talking about for the simple reason i only have to get maybe 100 a year from Prescription Drugs. Thathad such a big window i had to pay over 600 now for an additional ascription drug 100, whichver the the Insurance Company paid not one red cent. That means another additional 600 a year for coverage that i did not need and once again the government tells me what to do. I thought we had a free country. Guest we do have a free country. You do not have to buy Medicare Part d. That is the Prescription Drug benefit. That is your choice. If somebody says is not worth it, they can decide not to purchase it. There is no penalty. What the Affordable Care act does is improve that coverage. One of the biggest problems with Medicare Part d is that after 2700 in drugout costs in a year, they all of a sudden fall into this big gap in coverage when they have to pay 100 of the cost. Is euphemistically called a doughnut hole. For thousands of the next dollars, people have to pay 100 of the cost. The Affordable Care act changes that. It provides discount of over half the drug costs for people when they fall into this gap of coverage and over time it eliminates this gap in coverage entirely. People will no longer find themselves in an insurance policy we used to say you never find this in nature where youre getting coverage and getting care and then you stop getting care and you have to pay thousands of dollars. That is going to get fixed. Host nancy from north carolina, good morning to you. Caller i want to ask, make a comment. People go want about the cost of this bill, which is atrocious. My granddaughter will have to pay 1200 a year and they have a child. Why anyone does not talk about 2800page hat bill. It is atrocious. If it was so great, why does washington not want to take it . There is one thing i heard yesterday. If you have insurance and you have to go into the hospital and your Insurance Company goes out of business, you are liable for the whole hospital bill. A federal judge read this bill if you are 73 years old and you get cancer, you might as well hang it up. Host we appreciate that. You will get a response for nancy. Understandot sure i the first set of comments. She is worried that if you buy insurance, Insurance Company goes out of business, all of a sudden you do not get coverage anymore. That is not going to occur anymore. Youru bought insurance and Insurance Company decides it wants to go out of business, you have an opportunity to get insurance from another company. The idea of the Affordable Care act is to create a marketplace where there are multiple Insurance Companies and their each competing with one another and that is good because you will get a better price and better coverage that way. If youre not being treated well by an insurer, you go to another insurer. Host can you be rejected by an Insurance Company . Guest no. That is a thing of the past. You would be denied coverage because of your Health Coverage. You have to fill out lots of different answers to questions about what drugs are you taking for Different Health conditions and did you ever have asthma . No longer is that going to happen because no longer is that relevant to whether you can buy insurance. Is not simply that an insurer can no longer deny coverage if you have a preexisting initiative. They cannot charge a higher premium based on your health status. Host rose is in ohio on our democrats line. You are on the washington journal. Caller i am so glad to talk to you. I have some issues and the question. I am 85 years old. My age tells me how much i am involved in politics. Governor in our state forward and said he will put in the medicaid for the seniors and is the first time because he has always been against it for the last four or five monthos. S. He is also against the Obama Health Care system. He feels sorry when he gets to the pearly gates it will be on his conscience that he will have these seniors suffer. Hass going to approve he approved medicaid but he has behind him he is trying to stop it, his party is against him. They are going to appeal it. Host what would you like ron pollack to comment on . Caller i am trying to tell them that kasich is trying to get alld in again and have these seniors believe hes going to have it and then they will are all these appeals. Host thank you very much for calling in. The probably familiar with ohio medicare situation. Guest governor kasich is very interesting with respect to the Affordable Care act. He is a critic of the Affordable Care act. He had his state of ohio reject running the marketplace. So the federal government is running it in ohio. Overnor k6 made a decision ch said it is good for people in my state to have this Medicaid Program expanded. He went out of his way and pushed hard to get the state to approve the expansion of medicaid. It is very controversial within his own local party. This week the governor succeeded in getting a group called the and they votedrd 52 to except the Medicaid Program. This is going to help hundreds of thousands of people in ohio. This is a big deal. There are members of the Governors Party who are not happy with what the governor has done and the decision by the controlling board. They say they are going to sue the governor. Decision having the made by this controlling board was inappropriate and a to go to the state legislature. I hope the governor prevails on this. Is one of 10ch republican governors who have said even though they do not like the Affordable Care act, they think the Medicaid Program should be expanded. People like governor brewer of arizona and governor christie of new jersey, a whole bunch of them. The reason they are making a thoughtful decision is it is not going to cost the state any money. The first three years, this is paid 100 by the federal government. State cakes in a portion but it never goes higher than 10 . In the process, the state is getting a couple of things. Right now the state is paying a lot of people who are uninsured when they go to a hospital, the state pays for that. The state will be able to save that kind of money when more people get Health Insurance. Isn you have this expansion, going to mean lots more jobs in the state. That will mean more revenues. This is a good decision for the state and a trivet decision for lowincome people. Host next is jeanie in tampa on our independent line. Caller good morning. Thank you for cspan. I have one question. I tried to get on the website. They wanted all of my information just to look and i exited out of it. With the subsidy, the people wholl be subsidized, do they still have a choice in which program they are going to choose . And for those that choose programs with higher deductibles so that it is a cheaper premium, if they go to a hospital and do not have the money to pay, what happens in that case . If they dont have the money to pay what is not covered under insurance. The communities are still going to pick up that tab, i suppose. I watched one of the programs. They were talking about their particular state and it sounded like in some states you can have counties that might have five options and some counties the my not have but two options and the cost for the same option would different counties is different. Why wouldee that it not be the same cost if youre in the same state . Guest g raised a whole bunch of emportant questions jeani raised a whole bunch of important questions. Plans. Re four types of platinum, gold, silver, and copper. The platinum plan is different than the copper plan. The copper plan will have a lower premium but you have to pay more outofpocket for deductibles and copayments. In terms of choices, you can choose among these different varieties, copper through platinum. When you decide which tier youre interested in, there are a number of plans that you can select from. If you are receiving a subsidy, you still have choice. That choice is still not taken away from you. Jeanie raised an important question. The New York Times talked about something that jeannie raised yesterday. In some areas, you have more choices than in other areas and it is true. In the more urbanized areas, there are more choices and more plans. There are fewer such plans anymore rural areas. But there are choices. Even in the rural areas where , i think fewer choices if the marketplace works as well as we think it will, more insurers will come in. Host finally, a tweet from jim. Guest singlepayer is a methodology. Think maybe what he wants to know is do i support universal Health Coverage . Do i want to see everybody in the country have Health Insurance coverage, and the answer is yes. That has been a key aspect of what we have been pushing for for three decades. Is wherechieve that the singlepayer question comes in. Should we have a thing like medicare for all and no private insurance system . I am more agnostic about that. Is to care deeply about make sure that Health Coverage is decent and affordable and that nobody is shut out of the system. Host ron pollack of families usa has been our guest. Thank you for your time. Coming up, we will speak with Russell Moore, he is with the seven that this convention and we will talk about religion and politics. After that, how well trained americans are for the workforce. Washington journal continues. Americas call for scientists and engineers. Goes, so to future does the country. Written largeit on the paper. There will be calls for engineers to help us go ice fishing on europa. We are going to dig through the soil of mars and look for mars. Look at the nasa portfolio today. It has geology, aerospace engineers, electrical engineers, all the stem fields. Represented in the nasa portfolio. Flywheel nasa is a that society caps for innovations. Over 40,000s aired nonfiction programs. Spantv, every weekend on c 2. 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How do we grapple with what the bible says and to speak in the Public Square in washington and places around the country on behalf of the convictions that we hold. Host you are relatively new in this position replacing richard land. There was a profile about you in the wall street journal. Recently is that inaccurate headline . Guest i think that is an inaccurate headline. It was missing the word against. Priority. Ng for a i am concerned about a s andation of evangelical many want to walk away from political engagement. Becauset to walk away they have lived in a secularized society and the understand the importance of the gospel of what the scripture says of first importance, when the people to christ, speaking of mercy and reconciliation. Many of them want to concentrate on that and not consume ourselves with politics. I am willing to say we cannot make that choice. We have to be concerned as citizens and we have to be fighting against injustice including abortion and sex trafficking and orthography pornography. We do this with an understanding of how the gospel motivates that action. People who are like we are in need of mercy and of reconciliation and of the grace that comes to the blood of christ. So those things must be held together. The mission of the church as ambassadors of reconciliation and calling for justice and righteousness. Is what an old theologian of the 20th century used to say. We believe in justice and justification of a god who says this is the way we should walk and a god who offers mercy and reconciliation. When we hold those together and when Younger Generation sees the gospel motivates us to love our speak but also changes the way in which we speak. We are not wishing to offend our outrage. We are wishing to say we love you and we want to see you reconciled to god. Host when you hear the term culture war, what does that mean to you . Means i think it Different Things to different people. If one says that culture matters and we need to stand firm and havent ongoing conversation about what is best for our neighbors and our country, then bring on the culture wars. Areomeone means that we pitted against one another as mortal enemies and we are simply in an and the shouting match with one another, i do not think. Culture wars all the way to go we have a battle but not against flesh and blood but against powers in the heavenly places. We need to have a longerterm view of where we are going here. The people who disagree with us are the people we are not seeking to vaporize with arguments. But people we are seeking to persuade. And that ultimately we want to see embraced by the love of god and receive mercy from god. That doesnt mean we do not have spirited conversations or spirited debates. The issues at stake are significant and important. We must always be connecting those issues back to the central theme we have been given. Thatnk the best example of in contemporary life is in the Prolife Movement. OneProlife Movement, wouldve thought what would the Prolife Movement they, i think many people would have said there would not be a Prolife Movement. Abortion will simply be accepted in this country. The Prolife Movement is as active as ever. If one goes to the march for life in washington, they were young people who are there standing for the lives of the unborn. Why is that . We have a joyful message of what it means to care for our unborn neighbors and we understand that unborn children are harmed by abortion and so are women and men who have consciences that are often deeply damaged by this. Crisisre women in pregnancies who are being ministered to and all sorts of way. There is care for orphans and women who do not have anywhere else to turn. It is an optimistic sort of movement that is connected to the gospel and resonates with the Younger Generation. I think that is a good model to follow. Host dr. Russell moore is also a reverend. The wallofiled by street journal and we wanted to have them on to explain his response and to talk about the role of toltecs and religion politics and religion. We will begin with a call from joseph in new york on our democrat line. Caller good morning. Thank you for cspan. Comes first whether or Church Believe that the is following the doctrine of the constitution of the United States or the church is following itself and not necessarily the constitution. Guest i think we believe that the church itself as the Church Answers to the lordship of jesus christ, that is what we originally meant by separation of church and state, which is a concept that is coopted to me secularism. It meant the government doesnt have any business telling the church how to run the spiritual matters of the church. We believe in a free church in a free state. We do not believe the church imposes itself on the rest of society. We believe in religious liberty for everybody. That is not because all viewpoints are equal. We all believe there are some and someat are true things that are false. We believe jesus christ is the truth and the light. People disagree with us in the world. We do not seek to coerce them but to persuade them to believe that. We believe the gospel is the power of god and salvation. A free marketplace of ideas in the civil square, protected by the constitution and which people come with he believes they hold and we stand together under that constitution and we seek to persuade one another about the ultimate meaning. That religious conservatives should not be a mascot for any applicable party. Is that an accurate quote . Guest i think in every age, every group within the church must be willing to work with our political allies but also to keep a certain skeptical distance from our political allies. We are willing to work with politicians. I work with politicians every day on issues from protecting unborn human life to protecting marriage and religious liberty and human rights and stopping persecution around the world. We recognize the kingdom of god is not come through politicians and that politicians are politicians. We work with them but we do not embrace them as the messiah. Wegarding have a messiah already have a messiah. We are able to Work Together in the Public Square. Orforebears in this country agitating for religious liberty. They were saying we do not trust you to tell us on religious liberty. We won it written down in the constitution we want it written down in the constitution. With peopleng often who are just short of mount rushmore. We should have a sense of cooperation but skeptical cooperation so that we know where the limits of that operation come and to be willing to Work Together where we can. Host attitudes towards gay marriage are changing. We have a tweet from edward. That sexualitye is only to be expressed within marriage. I believe marriage is defined as the union of one man and one woman for life. I think that is what the scripture teaches. I also believe that the state cannot define marriage. The state simply recognizes what marriage is. That doesnt mean we hate people who disagree with us. We do not think they are some sort of evil force out there in american society. We disagree on what marriage is. And we disagree on what sexual morality is. Attitudes in American Culture are changing to some degree on samesex marriages. The courts are changing the way they are articulate and this on samesex marriage. I do not think when one looks at evangelical Younger Generations that those attitudes are changing at all. Evangelical young people are more committed to a biblical understanding of marriage. That means speaking against redefinitions of marriage and addressing the divorce culture that is going on everywhere. Many of them have lived through the wreckage of that. I think we need to continue to speak about what marriage is and why marriage matters. Marriage isnt simply the celebration the love of an individual couple. Marriage is a couple good. That is what we believe. We recognize there are people who are our neighbors who disagree with us on those things. We are willing to continue to love and have a conversation. But this is what we believe has been given to us in scripture and in nature. Is not something we are able to redefine. Host barber in columbus, new jersey. Barbara. Caller good morning. Thank you for having me. I do applaud the Christian Science point of view. I have an issue with them trying to force issues that they itieve onto others even if is a different religion. You arernment lobbying the government to keep abortions out of the lives of people. Not everybody follows that lifestyle situation. The bible also speaks of free will. God gives us free will to do what we are going to do. I do not think it is up to the christians. A lot of people who call themselves christians are really not. They are just christian in name only and could Sophia Christ twice. Crucify christ twice. They do not want to teach it. Guest i think the issue is that the same argument could be used in 19th Century America about slavery. Why impose your religious views on us . Someone might have said in the 19th century. Those who are speaking to him are saying you do not have the right to and slave another human being because you are the only one involved here. What we are saying is not that we want to impose our views on you about what we believe about religion. We believe the child in the womb is created in the image of god. This person has rights. We would say we do not believe anyone can impose upon that child the deprivation of his life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. The child is involved here. It is not fair to say prolife people care about the child only until the child is born. That is not what is happening. I was speaking a couple of days ago to an organization devoted to actively working against abortion seeking to persuade women not to have abortions but also in job training in crisis. Mothers to single financially and in terms of child care and in helping those children as they are going forward. For women who wish to make adoption plans for their children because they cannot raise them. For women who need help. That is happening all over this country and all over the world. Christian people, prolife people, we have been criticized the we stand for unborn children in the womb. When we care for children by adopting them and ministering them to unwed mothers. They were criticized by saying youre trying to impose your religious views. You really cannot win on that. We believe this is part of our calling. The bible calls for us to care for widows and orphans. Createdabout everybody in the image of god. Has worth everybody and dignity. Host bobby is in alabama on our republican line. Hi, bobby. Caller i am right here. Just listening to Russell Moore an applauding him. Spokesman welent have as christians for what we believe. I am a Christian Roman catholic evangelical. We joined hands with fellow christian evangelicals to take on a global war on christians. There is a new book out by john allen on just that topic. Mr. Moore is covering that topic. Single, the most heartening person in politics in 30 years. Hes being pilloried and called all sorts of offensive names, ridiculed. But he is the bright spot today for all christians in america. I am hoping we get behind him and support him. Host is that something their group would have an opinion on . Guest we ought not to be ridiculing and coloring people in the Public Square. We need a level of civility and recognize we have multiple viewpoints in the Public Square. The nastiness directed toward Public Officials including those with whom someone might disagree, that is not the way we ought to operate in a civil society. Host what about the healthcare law . Guest we are concerned about the Affordable Care act as it relates to religious liberty, deservedly as it relates to abortion and the contraceptive mandate. We have a coalition which includes roman catholics and Southern Baptists but also a Broad Coalition of people who might not ever be in the same room together or agree on anything but we agree the government ought not to impose on the consciences of people those things that they believe are against their consciences as it relates to abortioncausing drugs and contraception and other things. Thats the reason you have a multifront engagement with this. We are in the courts talking about this. We are in Congress Talking about this. We believe religious liberty is a fundamental good for all people. A government that is big enough to say we cant win over your conscience when we want to for the sake of health care is a government that is big enough to run over anybodys conscience for any reason. We believe this is of absolute importance right now. With all the threats going on aght now, this mandate is houserafter in a learning in the conversation we are saying. Is Affordable Care act disaster when it comes to those things. We have been working asking the administration, working with legislators in congress and standing behind those going to court to address that. Host in reaction to the profile ote , brian fisher wr guest christ has not called us to be nice people. Christ has called us to be kind people and conviction of people who love those who are around us and even when we are standing up for what we believe in we are standing up for what we believe in as those who are offering redemption and reconciliation and the mercy of christ. It is necessary to stand strongly for conviction, and that is exactly what i do. I am a prolife, homeschooling father of five who is devoted to religious liberty, combating the pornography and divorce culture in the church and outside the church, but i believe the ultimate goal that we have is not simply a more moral america. We need a more moral america. But if that is where we stopped, we end up with hell. We need a gospel where jesus christ welcomes sinners to be joined to his tribe and we need an optimistic, what to be wringing our hands and cringing in fear. Zion in aching to promised that jesus has given that the gates of hell will not prevail against his church. That is the message that we need to be communicating. It is conviction all, it is confrontational. It is also anchored in the mercy and love of the gospel of jesus christ. Host doug is in salem, oregon. Caller good morning. You keep referring to religious liberties. I am curious as to how far that extends. Do you have the same viewpoints on the koran and the other religions . I am realoint your views on spirituality versus religion. If i were to disagree with the preacher, i could raise my hand and question what he says. It seems that most people going into churches sit on their hands and listen to the guy and take what he says verbatim. That you put this in a box and you want to be in that box and bring people into that box and do not allow people viewpoint oferse what you are trying to espouse. Host thank you doug. That youwould say would probably think that by my asserting my truth claims, i am seeking to impose my religion on you. I think you are seeking to impose your religion on me. If what you are suggesting is that every religion is ultimately the same thing and we all believe the same thing, so lets be quiet about that that is a religious viewpoint that is not my religious viewpoint. It is not the viewpoint of met millions or billions of people around the world who believe that these things really matter, what we matters what we believe matters. I dont want to impose my views on you. I want to have a conversation with you. I want to seek to persuade you that these things do matter. I want to have the sort of free society where i am willing and free do have a conversation about what i believe about the gospel of jesus christ. My muslim neighbor is willing and free to have a conversation about islam and the whole gamut of things. Religious liberty is not about christians standing for our rights and our rights alone. Religious liberty means religious liberty for everybody. We believe that the state has no business coercing the consciences of anyone. Anychurch doesnt have interest in coercing the consciences of anyone. We dont want people to be coerced into signing up for the Christian Faith because that would not be christianity. An old baptist preacher of the last century said that religious coercion can make hypocrites, but it cannot make believers. That is what i believe to be true. We need an open, free society in the Public Square. That does not mean we say all viewpoints are equally true and we ought to shut down the conversation. From marianne in massachusetts. Caller thank you for taking my call. I am calling from the commonwealth of massachusetts. First of all, about the Affordable Care act, we have had it working fine for many years now. In the beginning, or were bumps. There were bumps. Everybody had a bit of sticker shock. Now it is working fine here. I ask everybody to be patient. It is a good law. Not one of my family or friends nobody has ever complained about it. Host is that all you have marianne . Caller i have something else. Real quick. Here in massachusetts, i really appreciate that our state is very tolerant of our fellow citizens. My daughters firstgrade teacher was married to her second grade teacher. That might come as a shock to a lot of people in the nation. Teachersu what, the were wonderful. I wouldnt change a thing. I would do it all over again. , so to speak, did not go up. Host do you feel that reverend moores group is intolerant . Caller i do. Government is fair to all people. The government represents everybody, not just one particular point of view. Host would you like to respond . That therell agree are some limits on what marriage is. There are certain relationships that the government ought to recognize and there are other relationships that the government does not recognize. Government does not license us to have friendships. Government does not license us in all sorts of various relationships that we have. Why does the state recognize marriage . Why is this significant and important . The caller and i would have a disagreement about what that means. About what marriage is about. About the purpose of marriage. I hardly think it is intolerant for two people in a free society to disagree about something. I think intolerance would be for someone to say, since you dont represent what massachusetts believes, you shouldnt talk. That sounds intolerant to me. But i think we are in a situation where we can have a conversation in this country, we can disagree, we can seek to persuade one another about these things and i think that is where we are. A tweet from joe. What about some of the popes recent pronouncements . Guest i am not sure because it seems like every time pope francis speaks there are 50 different interpretations of what he says. I understand that. I understand that that happens. I like pope francis. I like much of what he is doing. I like the tone. I like the sense of personal humility that he is bringing to the vatican. It is a good thing. I also think that the emphasis he is giving on the church as a hospital for broken people is something that resonates with evangelical christians. That is what we believe as well. We believe in rescuing the perishing. Caring for the dying. Popenot sure what the means on some other areas for instance, when he says that proselytizing is solemn nonsense. I have many catholic friends who say to me, what he means by that is moving people from one church to another. If that is what he means, that is one thing. If what he means is that there is not a mandate to seek juice to say to people, salvation is found in jesus christ and to press that he evangelistic lee, i would find that troubling. The issue for pope francis and this is not his fault is that he does not have the sort of accessibility where he can come right out and give a clarification of what he has said. I am willing to extend some that i here and to say think time will tell exactly what he means by that. I do think that pope francis is not wishing to depart from the fundamental dogma of the Catholic Church in any way. That is what all of my catholic friends tell me. I do think that he is bringing a sense of freshness and humility to the vatican, dealing with some of the problems that are there. I wish them well. Obviously, i am a protestant evangelical. I dont fall under the authority of the pope or of the vatican. I do wish him well. I think his voice and his lace in history are very important. I am cheering him on so far as i can. On our republican line in hollywood, florida. Caller good morning. Question is since we used to have the 10 commandments. Somebody, the anti10 commandments, antiwhat god god is his love commandment. You have so much disrespect for parents and authority. The 10 commandments a honor your father and mother. There is so much disrespect now. I like that you addressed that. Proper it is fit and that we encourage everybody to respect god and keep those commandments. We would have less killing because the bible says thou shalt not kill. Us killing innocent babies too because people wont be killing innocent babies in abortion clinics. Immorality in a marriage the main connection we must focus on is to love god and keep his commandments. [indiscernible] fear god and keep his commandments. Host thank you. The 10i think commandments are critically important. The law of god is critically important. I think what is necessary is to od in all ofpen g its fullness is the new birth i would like to call on all of to be obedient to the lot that has been written in the things for the good of our neighbor and the good of society. All of us are lawbreakers. We need something to reconcile us to god. What that something is is not a something but if someone. Ands a crucified resurrected man who offers grace and reconciliation to those who will come to him and repent. Host when did you decide you wanted to be a baptist minister . Guest very early on. I was probably 12 years old and i started to feel the call to preach the gospel. I walked away from it for a while. After a time, the lord would not let go of that and continue to tug at my heart in that direction. Out there is a new poll that shows that americans wide thatide nation people who think gay marriage is a sin is death to 33 . It is down to one third. Are you seeing people leave the disagreecause they with the Baptist Church on gay marriage . Guest no. What i am saying though is that there is a cultural change in america where nominal christianity is no longer able to stand. It was a time in american christianity where being a part of a church seemed to be a social good. It made you seem to be a good person. It enabled you to do better in ones career and all of those sorts of things. Think about television. There was a time when television sitcoms families were shown going to church. It was always a nondescript, Nondenominational Church but they are going to church. Those days are changing. The assumption that nominal christianity as being a part of a church is a good thing. What that is being replaced with authentic, gospel centered sort of christianity that does not confuse itself with just normal american life. It comes in and says, we believe in something that is truly radical. In the sense that it is startling. We believe a dead man has come back to life and that he is he has every right to be lord over our lives. One reason why you see such vibrancy on College Campuses and among those in the Younger Generation who are embracing christ. I have seen everything else. They have lived through the ruins and the wreckage they have seen everything else. They have lived through the ruins and the wreckage and the empty promises of chasing more money. They are ready to go back to something very, very old, but also something that is very, very new. I think that is what is changing in american christianity. It is good news for the gospel in the church. Host jennifer in connecticut. Caller who do you think the messiah is . Host what you mean by that question jennifer . He said he knew the messiah. I wondered who he was or she was . Guest who the messiah as . Is . I believe the messiah is jesus of nazareth. I believe he is god incarnate. I believe he is all the promises of god and they are yes and amen in him. I believe he was crucified for sins and rates from the dead. Raised from the dead. I believe he is the ruler of all the cosmos. What i mean when i say that jesus is the messiah or the christ means that i would have no hope in this world i know who i am and i know what i am about and there is no way that i can stand before god, but hidden in christ and covered in the blood of christ i receive mercy and reconciliation before god. That is what we as christians call the gospel, the good news, that god is able to receive us and take us back as beloved children as we are found in christ. Host karen in connecticut. Caller good morning. Thank you for taking my call. I agree with some of the things that you talked about this morning. I am a bornagain believer. Praise god. I am so grateful for god saving my soul. Things i a couple of want to say. You talked about the Affordable Care act. Is terriblet it legislation. A lot of people in this country really do need good health care. I have not read all of the act. I have read things that talk about i have not read the contraceptives that your group may not agree with. Wholenot talk about in terms. Lets look at the things that may work for a vast majority of people. Lets remind host we have to leave it there. We are running out of time. That was back to health care. Guest we cant just simply say, lets ignore this egregious file asian of religious liberty and violation of religious liberty and accept everything. This has enormous implications on the religious liberty of all americans, present and future. We have to advocate for that. We also need to say that we need to work on Health Care Policy in this country. I think everybody, conservatives and liberals, can agree on that. We need to come up with something that is just, and fair, and right. Willed something that address the real problems we have in this country. We dont need to do that in a way that is going to run over the consciences and the liberty and the freedom of the American People. Host the last call for Russell Moore from florida. Caller good morning. Question that i think a lot of religious people are concerned about abortion. We had three spontaneous abortions and we have three children. I worried more about whether i would have for children or five children. Nobody seems to be concerned about that. The thing i am concerned about his war. Is war. I am a republican and have not voted for bush since all the wars. I think we would not have 9 11 had we not had the goal for. Gulf war. To go and kill people who are alive and they have brothers and sisters and a Million People went off into [inaudible] war is much, much worse than some young girl who makes a mistake and decides to take a morning after pill and then she may have a family later with a husband she can choose and not have to worry about a child that is being brought up without money, without a father. Host a law on the table. Lets get a response. As a christian i believe war is permissible only under certain very circumscribed situations laid out in scripture and in the christian tradition. We dont believe in warring against innocent people. There are some wars that would be just wars and some that would be unjust. As a christian, i would say world war ii was a war worth fighting and we fought it in a way that was honorable, fighting against the enemy and not against innocent noncombatants. When it comes to abortion, what is happening is a war against innocent, noncombatants. That is an issue christians disagreed whether over a particular war is just or unjust , whether or not we ought to fight here or there. Look at the debate we had recently over syira. Should we go win or not . In or not . An taking the life of innocent, noncombatants human person is just wrong. And finally, sasha weeks tweets ion many of our people were disillusioned with the direction that president carter was taking the country. Many of them believed in him because of his personal piety, because of his Church Membership , because of his relationship with christ. But when they saw the direction that the country was going in his administration, it became issues of abortion, the family they saw someone who did not line up with what they believed. Host to take us all back to the walltarted, street journal did a profile of you a couple of days ago what did you think of the article . Was inaccurate . Was it accurate . Guest i dont think it quite captured what is going on here. It seemed to signal retreat when we are calling for not retreat, but onward and onward with a gospelcentered focus. I understand that people on the outside arent able to understand that. They are not able to see what we mean when we say having a priority of the gospel and the kingdom means more engagement, not less engagement just a different kind of engagement and a different tone of engagement. I understand that. I also think there is human nature. Even in a local congregation, when one pastor leaves and a new pastor comes in, what people want to know is what is different about the new guy from the old guy . It is easy to exaggerate those sorts of differences. That is human nature. We appreciates, you being on the washington journal. Guest thank you for having me. Host one more segment in todays show. We will be looking at whether or not americas workforce and upcoming workforces are skilled. As each generation goes on, we have less and less god, less and less morals in our society. What are we becoming . [indiscernible] i am trying to change the world and become a better person and create a better place for all of us to live. There are three teenage thateclass white boys is quite striking for a lot of people. What we wanted to do in the film is explore the baseline political realities in the country. By looking at what is happening to the boys who are avatars for traditional leaders in america. I think a lot of people come to any film about leaders and they expect to see a multicultural tapestry of what america really looks like. I think our country is really still run, politically, by uppermiddleclass relatively privileged white men. Reacting to that is what i am trying to do. Director Jonathan Goodman levitt weaves a political comingofage story in follow the leader. Here more on sunday night at 8 00 on cspans q a. Hours after the japanese attack on pearl harbor, first Lady Eleanor Roosevelt was on the radio talking with america. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Im speaking to you a very serious moment in our history. The cabinet is convening and the leaders in congress are meeting with the president. Armytate department and and Navy Officials have been with the president all afternoon. In fact, the japanese ambassador was talking to the president at the very time that japans airships were bombing our citizens in hawaii and the philippines and sinking one of our transports loaded with lumber on its way to why he. Hawaii. By tomorrow morning, the numbers of congress will be ready for action. In the meantime, we the people are already prepared for action. The knowledge that something of this kind might happen has been hanging over our heads and yet it seemed impossible to believe. It seemed impossible to drop the everyday things of life and feel that there was only one thing which was important, preparation to meet an enemy, no matter where he struck. That is all over now. There is no more uncertainty. We know what we have to face and we know that we are ready to face it. Watch our program on Eleanor Roosevelt on our website c span. Org first ladys. We continue our series live on monday as we look at beth truman. Washington journal continues. Host we want to introduce you to jack buckley, the commissioner of the National Center for education statistics. Commissioner buckley, what is the nces . Guest we are responsible for trying to measure and report on all aspects of education across the country. Host also joining our roundtable is ellen scullyruss. She goes by professor scully russ. You are with George Washington university. What do you teach . Guest i teach Adult Learning at the graduate school of education. We mostly teach midlevel managers for senior professionals managers, senior midlevel managers, senior professionals. Guest we participated in an International Assessment of adult competency. Numeracy, and problem solving in a digital environment. What adults would need in a workplace in todays environment. Host how is the u. S. Doing an area . Guest in all three areas, the u. S. Is faring rather poorly. And why is a tough question. One thing that is different in this study compared to other studies that we have done certainly over the years where is usually we might look at 15yearolds or eighth graders, we are looking at adults across the entire range that they are in the labor market. To some extent, anything we find there is slowmoving. This reflects the fact that some of the Human Capital has not changed very much in recent years. Why could speak to decades worth 2f education, within the k1 schooling system, but also to Vocational Training or anything that adults did over the years. Here is a summary of what you found. What does that mean . Reportingaddition to average scale scores, we also have international levels. Leveln level 1 up through 3. It is the way to look at the easiest skills versus the most advanced skills. ,t the low proficiency levels at the benchmarks that are not very complex skills, we have a higher percentage of adults at those levels. Averageerage or below levels at top proficiency levels. A larger skill gap in u. S. Tahan in other countries. Ellen scullyruss, why . Guest i have to agree with jack. It is complicated. It is very collocated. There are lots of different complicated. There are lots of different moving parts. We lack a very coherent system of Adult Education and training. Lifelong learning, for example. Few we have many, many different policies out of many different agencies that are intended to provide for Education Training and research. We have the workforce investment act. It is not coordinated it anyway. Anyway. These programs are not necessarily effective. Issue is not just the government policy side, in terms of the programs we can the factbut it is also that employers are relatively nonengaged in the whole Workforce Development system. Some employers are very, very good at developing Training Programs and career ladder programs within their own companies. But it is very rare that companies will take a look at the industry were take a look at the regional economy and work toether with public agencies figure out what are the skill needs, what are the educational and Training Resources that can be brought to bear in a Cost Effective way. How is that they can allow the more flexibility in their schedules so that they could participate in these programs . We are learning a lot in this country about how to do that. There are some good examples. They are few and far between. Andt of people go to work they dont ever really get a chance to participate in formal education and training. Thing wes one put the numbers up on the screen divided by ages. All four different numbers. You can go ahead and figure out which one you need to call in on. What is one thing employers would want employees who come to work to be able to do better than they do . Guest i think there are a lot of employers today because there is such a High Pressure in the workplace to perform i think employers want employees to come jobready. What they mean by that is what they meant by different than what they meant by it when we were coming up. They want people to come to the work lace and be able to pick up the job the first day and get it done. And somehow the technical fields, people might bring the but they dont bring the cultural understanding. On a lot oft back the orientation programs and they expect people to come job ready. They are looking to the Education System to provide that training and development. There is not a lot of coordination. Guest i absolutely agree. The catch phrase you hear in the states is that folks are leaving 12th grade, career ready. It means having these basic skills. Host what is a basic skill . Is it being able to read and write . Literacy . Fundamental, lowest levels that we assess, yes. The level 1 literacy, we simply asked the respondents, who asked the most votes . All they have to do is read the top. At a higher level, it is more complex than that. Our highest level is an example in the literacy domain would be, you get return for my website that you have done a search on something more complicated than google like a lexisnexis type of search, you have to pick out the extraneous items and tell us what you learned and what you found. It is a fairly high order guest analytical skills. Being able to not only read and understand, but pull out the main points, build an argument, be able to use the information know what is important, no what isnt use the information to do your job or innovate with it. That is what it is about. Host lets show the chart. This is the National Center for education statistics. This is the result. 12 countries are higher than the u. S. And literacy. In literacy. You can read this for yourself. Not much of a difference there, is there . The scale numbers do not necessarily reflect the content as they looking at the performance levels. It is a statistically significant difference, but it is fairly substantive. The average difference represents millions of americans where millions of americans are not even attaining the lowest level compared to those countries. It is a larger impact than it looks. Host what is one thing you would advocate to bring the u. S. Level up . More Adult Learning opportunities in formal education and onthejob. One of the things that struck me about this report was the importance of work and people developing and maintaining their skills over their lifetime. People who are stuck in low wage, task oriented jobs that dont require for them to bring higher level skills arent really in a position to maintain the skill they went in with or develop it. One of the takeaways for me is the importance of really being thoughtful about how we design work to allow for people to bring skills to bear and continue to develop them. That has implications for productivity and performance which, i dont think, shows up here and all at all. There is argument to be made that if we think about these things for my work design perspective, we might be able to move the ball and little bit. We might be able to prevent the slippage. Additionale are analyses as part of this where you do see that relationship between these sorts of skills and productivity. Sometimes,to know but it is not rocket science. I would add that we are the numbers people. Providet supposed to detailed policy analysis, but i absolutely agree. I think the administration agrees that we need to work on adults where they are. That we ignore the fact need to make sure more kids are graduating the School System ready for work as well. Host what is numeracy . Guest the ability to use quantitative information, numbers, in this case in the work lace environment, to be able to read and analyze and integrate host give me an example of a tough numeracy problem. Tough is a little bit tougher. It is not a math assessment in that you are not doing calculus at the highest level. You may be reading a chart like this. Which countries are the is is the. Arent u. S. Statistically tied with . We fare even worse in numeracy than we did in literacy, relatively. Host why . Guest the truck a lot of metrics and highperformance work lace is. Employees have to understand what it means for their job and for their team. Inple who are scoring low numeracy wouldnt be able to participate in that kind of process. Not without building more basic skills. Host in this case, how would you build basic skills . How would you improve the basic skills . One, people need to come with a certain foundation in order to take up these things. Youerms of, how is it that help people who performed at a level lower than what you needed them to, i think it is a mix of upfront training and development , as well as some coaching on the job and helping them translate what they might be learning in a formal training or education environment into the workplace. Helping them understand the relationship between the two. We need more mentoring in the workplace. Apprenticeship is a great model. I think we need that model in more environments. Where people who are new to the environment or dont have the basic skills are coached. Them into a higher level of job tasks. A lot of workplaces are not set up to do that. Host have we seen a decrease in our skill levels or an increase in the u. S. Alone . Do you see a difference between younger and Older Workers . That that is something jumps out in this report that we are concerned about. The good news is that our older do tend to outperform the international average. The United States had a solid before ourducation economic competitors. When we look at the youngest cohorts, they are not only underperforming the international average, they are then theter cap gap other age ranges. If we were just counting on generational replacement to increase our standing, it is not going to happen. We need to do something. Host lets get callers involved. We have divided these by age. The phone lines are divided by age. Will see them on the screen shortly. We will begin with a call from michael in massachusetts. 59 years old. Doing . How are you thank you for bringing that up because what happened hello . Host where listening. Caller what happened in massachusetts two things. No one wants to hire you when you are not performing. After thato skills of you done. You [indiscernible] people who pick up your tax money. Stuff like that. I been going to talk to my senator, my congressman to see what they can bring to help those folks who are over 50 and going up. As soon as you go to the computer, all they send you is to college. Host i think we have a lot of information there on the table. Ellen scullyruss, would you like to respond to anything he had to say. Termt the amount of long Unemployed People in this country is beginning to be disturbing. The number of Older Workers in that category should be of great concern. There are a great resource that is being underutilized. Also, for many other reasons that michael mentioned in terms of the difficulties people have in readjusting at that age to losing the income expected 20 years. Xt 15 to one thing we could do is basically work with employers to educate them to the value of the older worker and what they might bring. I think there are other things we could do with people in the population group. If we want them to get retraining, we have to pay for them to make that investment. At the to have a job other end for them. We can work with them there is counseling that could be available for people to think into, maybe i can get back where i once was, maybe my income would never get to that level again, but what is it that i can do . What is it that i can shift around in terms of . Knowis a population we very little about. In the 1970s we did a lot of research about displaced workers. Thent think we have done research for this population. I think they are different people with different circumstances and we need to know more. A tweet st guest it is potentially an issue. I would add that one of the things you mentioned, the skills gap at the high level one of the things we see in the United States is that the gap between of the unemployed and the employed is large. An employer will say it is easier for me to find somebody else or use my operations elsewhere. They make those decisions individually, but it adds up. Guest there is another thing i would like to mention about that particular problem. I think this report confirms what we know and that is that if you are not in it, you lose it. That is two ways. It is performance and also language. People lose track of how to how are their skills now being talked about in the workplace. When they present themselves to , which is mostly automated these days, they are not using the right terminology to present themselves and therefore they get kicked out early in the process. Think there is some issue related to communication they are no longer mediated by people, they are very automated these days. We are seeing lots of problems with those systems. The outsourcing issue, one thing we do see in this study, although we are being outperformed by many nations, there are still millions of americans with the highest level of skills. It is not fair to say that we dont have people in this country who can do the most challenging technical jobs worldwide range of jobs. That is not an excuse that we need to move all of our work overseas. Guest no. But i think what is happening is that more complex work is being moved overseas, which is a problem. Virginia. Don. We are listening. Caller is me. Excuse me. I have a lot of education degrees and i have seen, lackially lately, a total of emphasis upon excellence in everything that we do. In theemember back 1930s and the 1940s how my folks and my teachers, my professors all focused on doing the very, very best that we could possibly do in every aspect of our lives. Majors one of the reasons, to me, is one of the major reasons we are falling behind. I do believe that some of the our systemcaused by goes in ouranything our on system and don, thank you for calling in. Is he correct . Has it been going downhill . This this is the first in particular data collection, but it is not our first attempt to look at the u. S. Labor market in doms of skills and international comparisons. It was not quite as large or the same countries, but we do have a few data points over the last decade and a half. I will say things are either flat or slightly declining when we look back across the surveys. This gets back to the issue about trying to meet adults where they are and try to raise standards for kids. It is heartening to see that many states have adopted much more rigorous standards and are trying to bring kids up to a higher level of education to make in college and career ready. Virginia is a great example of a state that has adopted a academic standards for school children. That i really add 12 systemak to the k but i can speak to the workplace. Excellencet of this theme or issue is all of us who have jobs today know how work is today. We know how overloaded everybody is because we are in this lean environment. It is difficult to take the time out to do the reflection, to do the thinking, to work with one another in a way that there is a culture of excellence. I think people bring those values. I dont think we have changed very much in terms of our values. I think we are working in environments that are very difficult for us to achieve the excellence that don is talking about. Alexandria, virginia. 36 years old. Thank you for cspan radio. I think you have made a lot of great points. I think Adult Training is very important, especially with the Technology Changes that are occurring so quickly. I guess i am a little curious know, the i dont feeling that the workplace, particular Companies Might feel afraid to invest a lot in employees for fear that they will take the training and go elsewhere. Also, you had a guest on a little while ago, several days ago, talking about a similar issue, and he mentioned that employees need to come ready to be a midlevel manager in all the skills that they need for their job. I am curious to see how entrepreneurship fits into this situation. Host professor, do you want to start . Guest i think you are right. I think there is a fear and employers that if we train them, somebody else will higher them away from us. I think we have found in a lot of the research we have done, in workplaces where there is a large investment in training, that is largely not true. Igor feeling appreciated, invested in and there is a sense of wanting to stay. Are feeling appreciated, invested in and there was a sense of wanting to stay. Entrepreneurship, i think that is one strategy that a lot of people are adopting these days to take more control of their careers and their work lives. I think some people are going into it because they cannot find a job and that is a way of reestablishing themselves. A ripe area for Public Policy to take a look at how we can support people in those ventures. Not only through training but through other resources as well. Would add that if we look in the international context, some of the high performing countries in this have very the past different employment structures, where you are likely to be employed for life just like you used to be decades ago here. Even in those countries, we have seen a shift away from that. In northern europe, and asia it is less that you would have the same compact with your employer. That can be the whole reason that can be driving this. It is not explaining why our youngest cohorts are falling so for the behind in those countries as well. It is an important point, but it is something we need to look beyond as well. Guest a lot of the folks coming out of europes labor market atse days are looking out the whole trip idea of a transitional economy. People are transitioning all the time. If we take that premise that it is no longer a standard job that you will have for life, but you will be expected to move, it is very risky. How was it that we can help people manage that risk . That is a very different question for Public Policy than how do we get people into a job . What can we do within said firms hr . Inside firms and how do we manage it more mobile workforce . How do we make risk pay for people who choose to move on in their careers . Those are right areas for new Public Policy. In brad tweets next call comes from miles in durham, north carolina. Caller i appreciate you guys. Im a Vice President in Human Resources and i have worked in several different industries, hospitals, currently in construction trades right now. We have extreme difficulty trying to recruit hvac techs. The whole industry is suffering right now because we dont have enough young people going into that industry. For many of them that do come in, they are not equipped to be able to handle the full job. A lot of the problem rests with being able to define what those skills are that people need to come with. Termination, it is not due to lack of skill. It is due to lack of ability to adapt to the organization, either through being able to abide by the rules and regulations or communication skills. One of the other areas i find is a lot of the supervisors are untrained in being able to manage people. They just dont have the people skills to be able to host what would you suggest is needed to develop those people skills . I do a lot ofler Management Training myself. What is needed is that managers have to understand that they are not technical anymore. They now do with a human being and they dont have a good understanding of the communication skills themselves. I will say, particularly, personal problems or in dealing with the inability to perform certain job functions. Do a lot of performance appraisals and im very disappointed with performance appraisals because the requirements on those appraisals are not written well. Very generic. Instead of getting right to the point of what those skills need to be, managers are unskilled and being able to evaluate people. You see a lot of disappointment and performance appraisals today. I think it really rests with i am also a certified mediator problem solving, the ability to resolve conflict, especially throughout the organization from the top level on down to supervisors. You just dont have the skills to resolve conflicts. We end up with a lot of problems, terminations, people leaving the workforce, not due to lack of skill, but being able to adapt to the organization. But there is a lack in quantitative skills, communication skills, basic educational skills that people are coming in to work with and the organizations are allowing that to happen. They are promoting people that lack the skill. I see people in Vice President positions that should not hold a position. Us a lot tove given chew on. We have about 2 minutes left. Professor scullyruss we will start with you. Again, it is another very complicated issue. I think some miles might be generational differences. Expect morele informal relationships and work ways. In the workplace. They dont live in a hierarchical world. That could create some of the conflict. A lot of our managers are ill prepared for dealing with more complex work environments. I have to keep going back to that lean approach that Many Employers have taken to organizing work and managing from a higher level. If you are managing by the numbers and you need to keep up with a tight schedule, these basic communications that you need to understand what is going on with people, there is limited time. There is very little ability and skill to manage those programs. That is a problem. Guest i would say that a lot of what youre talking about is what education people sometimes call soft skills. There is really nothing soft about them. It is an unfortunate name. The assessment we are talking about today does not look about those. That is not mean that there is not a growing recognition of just how important these are. I agree with you. It is impossible to assess that someone is a rear ready haver ready if you dont an idea of some of these other important dimensions. We recognize that and we are developing new ways to standardize and assess those things, though skills across the board. T anthony tweets in that ties into this last chart we want to show. U. S. Adults and problem solving in digital environments. Guest it is not computer programming, it is using things like a web browser and common applications to perform routine workplace tasks. An easy one would be sorting e mail into folders. A complex one might be using three different applications to manage peoples calendars and scheduling room and get them all the documents and attachments they need. The sort of things that an Office Environment might have done every day. Host the international averages here. The u. S. Is here. Once again, japan is at the top. What is up at japan with japan . The easy answer is that many of these Asian Countries have planned economies. A organize their Education System around the development of the skills that they need and that they want to develop. There are Close Relationships between the education institutions and the employers. There are industry associations. They work closely together with areas of Human Resources development, Human Capital development. They come up with an understanding of what kind of skills they need and they work very closely with the Education System to ensure that they are heirared to train tge folks in that space. Nces. Ed. Gov if you would like to see this report for yourself. Thank you both for being on washington journal. Think you for joining us. Enjoy the rest of your day. Lots of live events on capitol hill. Enjoy your weekend. Enjoy your weekend. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2013]