their budget that came out late on friday -- >> sandra: which we have. >> less than 2%. after all of this stuff, transformation, everything they want to do, no growth. it isn't worth it. if that's all you have -- >> sandra: can you imagine the criticism of the trump administration? >> if that is all you got, why are you doing this stuff? even the obama people back in the old days when they had trillion dollars stimulus package which, in those days, was big money. it that's not big money today. they said they would produce 4% growth. these guys are saying were not even going to hit 2% growth except for this recovery year from the pandemic. >> sandra: and that's optimistic, isn't it? >> people will not get higher