about 4040% of her -- 40% of her support is coming from independents and democrats, many who are not going to vote in an iowa caucus. i think it's second or bust for her here, and donald trump, he's got to perform. if he gets less than half the vote, more people voting against him than for him -- for him, i think that's setting um doom down the road. bill: desantis and haley have been kind of beating even other up. how do you gauge that? >> listen, you know, it's amazing, politicians will change their opinions here and there. that's happened since the test of time. but it's been amazing how nikki haley will lie directly to a camera and say i never said that when it's on camera three, four times. so i think it's been important to expose her to the people of iowa as a who she is, not a true conservative. she is more of a liberal, and that's not the type of -- dana: she pushed back and had the desantis lies -- can i can't remember the exact web site although she cede it --