it's about ten points higher than kamala harris, depending which poll you look for, but they are both suffering as a result of not delivering on the big promises they gave, and turning right around and betraying moderates they promised on the campaign trail that they would be delivering for as a return to normalcy back in washington, d.c. so this argument that there's a double standard for kamala harris because she's a woman and a woman of color just isn't true. she's not delivering on major policy portfolio items that the president had handed to her. that's an argument that is often thrown out there. hillary clinton has been using it her entire career when she has not delivered results that she's comfortable with for herself. i think the american people are looking at the issues and wanting more results and less victim talk from the vice president. >> alicia: katie pavlich, so good to see it. merry christmas eve to you. thank you.