my over 30 years as a talk show host the phones ring when you say something that's really divisive is because people love the fight. howard: ding ding. >> and whether it's a democrat or republican, they love the fight. the media cothat, and -- do that, and everybody profits off it whether monetarily or politically. we see that now more than ever, and i would have to say that a it's sad, because i do agree with something justice breyer said in his remarks after his announcement of retirement, was that this constitution for our founding forefathers, this belief, that's what really holds us together as the experiment -- howard: i want to slip in one more thing because there's a lot of chatter about maybe kamala harris would be named to the high court. let's take a look. >> we're just having a little fun with the kamala thing, right in. [laughter] is this crazy? >> well, you know, it isn't crazy. >> what does it say about the vice president or about, i don't