much on conventional forces. you obviously conventional forces deployed here massively dealing with this particular operation. yes, he's had it his successes, but he's also had challenges. i believe that -- look, if this administration finally comes through, there is no amount of sanctions that are going to deter boudin dau mike putin from achieving his military objectives here to install a new government. no amount of sanction is going to stop that. but in terms of retribution and punishment and hurting his economy, and also impact of the people, there is already resistance inside of russia about this move. because at the end of the day of the russian people look up inside we are killing ukrainian people? i thought they were our friends? that's going to be the reaction.