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Is outnumbered. It is good to have you. We are all confirmed, it is tuesday. We are all singing about thursday. It is a busy newsweek indeed. A report about a Sexual Harassment settlement. He says he knows nothing about claims of inappropriate touching and only learned of the story today. Earlier, busby news report of the michigan democrat settled a complaint in 2015 from a woman who alleged she was fired because she rejected his sexual advances. It says his office paid her over 27,000 to settle the complaint under a confidentiality agreement. The 88yearold is the top democrat on the House Judiciary Committee in the longestserving current member of the house. Conyers is not the only one in the spotlight. Cbs news suspending charlie rose over Sexual Misconduct allegations from eight women, and pbs immediately stopped distribution of the charlie rose show. Meantime, Alabama Senate candidate roy moore still dealing with a string of accusations from women as well. Peter doocy live from washington for more on all of this. Of the democratic congressman accused of selling a Sexual Harassment case and that was sweet article, john conyers just answered his door in detroit and told the Associated Press reported who is knocking that he doesnt know anything about a Sexual Harassment complaint by a staffer or settlement. The former speaker of the house says he doesnt know anything about this either. The current house speaker, paul ryan said this report is extremely troubling. House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi when asked if she knows anything about conyers settling the suit said this, no. The current process includes assigning of a nondisclosure agreement by the parties involved, congresswoman jackie spear has introduced legislation that will provide muchneeded transparency on these agreements and make other critical reforms. I strongly support her efforts. The conyers and outcomes of the office of congressional complaints announced they played out 17 million taxpayer dollars for the last 20 years is a max settle cases related to Sexual Harassment and other workplace disputes. Also now coming forward using a former democratic congressman bob filner of trying to kiss her in an elevator on capitol hill. On the other side of the capital, senator al franken has remained out of sight and quiet since responding to allegations of Sexual Misconduct with written apologies last week. Today, thinking of getting new support from 36 women who say they worked with him on snl and said that he never mistreated them. The Senate Hopeful roy moore is responding again to allegations of Sexual Misconduct against him, trying out again to discredit accusers. In this statement from an advisor, the days of unbiased reporting or over a period of the liberal media will dodge any source and refused to air any interviews that doesnt square with their work effort to land a liberal democrat in the senate seat. The media world, cbs anchor charlie rose is apologizing for past behavior. His coanchor today sympathize with his accusers and they are upset about the entire situation. Gayle king, the other coanchor said she only got an hour and 4. Sandra peter doocy, thank you. More and more women are coming forward in recent weeks with accusations of Sexual Misconduct. As peter mentioned for the first time, one lawmaker publicly naming her alleged harasser. Listen to what democratic congressman diane egg to get of colorado says former congressman bob filner, a california democrat try to do while they were both serving in the house. I was in an elevator and then congressman bob filner tried to pin me to the door of the elevator and kissed me. I pushed him away and believe me, i never got an elevator with him again, but what concerns me now, what should concern everybody is what about the young staffers met what about the interns, was this happening with them to . We have to ask ourselves the question is this happening with current members of congress . Sandra meantime, congresswoman jackie spier of california and senator Kirsten Gillibrand of new york are introducing legislation to overhaul the system currently available to Congressional Staff are reporting actual misconduct. If there if bill would aim to make things more transparent by it emanated the mandatory nondisclosure agreements currently in place. 17 million paid out over a 20 year period of time that we are learning. The federal government on these claims. Marie thats taxpayer dollars. We dont have any insight into those claims were paid to or why. We need transparency here in the halls of congress. I think if we have learned anything from covering the story over the last weeks and months is that this is just the beginning. And every day now, it feels like there are new accusations whether its congress, i think there are a lot of members current and former who are nervous right now thinking back over things theyve done. Women are now feeling comfortable speaking out, whether its the media, whether its politics, we are reckoning in this country with how do we sift through this . How do we decide who should resign and who shouldnt . We are all going through this together as a culture and its been a really tough few weeks. Sandra you wonder if this is the moment because it was coming. Here we are. This is a step in the right direction . Pete i think it is and i think its poignant that conyers is a longestserving congressman, the old guard is the first in the beginning of what is probably talk to hill staffers, theres an understanding that a lot more is coming here. Definitely. What you have is a reckoning of the unwanted advances in power dynamic. You have that and you can get away with it because the process that has automatic nondisclosure agreements. There are perfectly reasonable reasons. In the corporate world and in politics to use nondisclosure agreements. May be grievances between two parties and you dont want to go public. But if its mandatory and a process when you got that power dynamic and youve got female staffers who feel uncomfortable, that does create some disincentives that need to be corrected. There is a reckoning coming here and a lot of things. Capitol hill is playing by its own rules for a long time and a lot of levels. They dont get to carve themselves out. Sandra we are starting to see measures taken in the halls of congress, announcements that there will be mandatory training on identifying sexual harassmen harassment. Trish its kind of amazing that you need that. Sometimes it should just boil down to human decency when is the right thing to do and if a woman is not responding to your advances, do you continue that . No. Its important as a mother of two daughters, i think about it in their future, they shouldnt have to put up with that. No woman should have to put up with any of this, period. And if it takes classes and disclosure for this to come out, good. You should clean up every industry that is cleaning out. Because is not acceptable. You shouldnt be doing that. Lisa the crux of this for me is that 70 million is our money. Its taxpayer money and it doesnt seem to be anyone including leadership that has any idea that all of the stuff was going on. So thats the issue here is the fact that this is our money and we deserve transparency in a way that that is being spent. I also think that these are conversations sadly we are going to continue to have. This is going to touch every industry around the country and what i also worry about is the fact that while these conversations are important and we should be having them, i also worry that people are going to get swept up in this that maybe didnt do anything wrong. There needs to be due process, new city mechanisms, needs to be investigations to ensure that people that are committing these acts are being weeded out. I also think we need to celebrate good men in this country as well. When you people like Vice President mike pence who was ridiculed for saying that he wont go out to dinner alone with a woman out of respect for his wife. Thats a sentiment that he and his wife share together and he was radical and for it. We should be so liberating good men that love and respect their wives. That might not be for every marriage, we should respect those men that love and respect their own wives. Sandra what we do know and talked with about that 17 million, 264 settlements and awards, specifically with cases of Sexual Misconduct. Brought by legislative branch employees. Some of the cases, they went on to say involve violations of multiple statutes. Pete i think lisa raises a great point. You have to take each one on a casebycase basis. A lot of the ones we are seeing right now are the most egregious obviously. For some time and time again, the power dynamic great what you dont want is a situation where there is really ambiguous situations. It happened, did not happen, whether consensual, was it not, but then he gets tried in the court of Public Opinion and that person could be tarred or not hard even on the facts merna may not be there. Trish you could run into a sale in which trial. Trish you cant have that. At the same time, we also have to make sure we are careful with the way we report and talk about it. Lisa thats incumbent upon institutions as well to make sure they are doing their own reviews, they are looking at this very carefully and making sure that accusations are accurate and they are taking the proper recourse. Sandra another fox news alert for you. Who voters heading to the polls three weeks from today, and alabama special elections electing a new senator. This says President Trumps position has not changed on republican candidate roy moore. Who stands accused of improper behavior and Sexual Misconduct with both teams. The white house saying alabama voters should just guide his fate. Press secretary sarah sanders. Obviously the president wants people both in the house and the senate that support his agenda, but as ive said and as it prohibits me from going any further, we certainly think that this is something that the people of alabama should decide. Sandra meantime, publican senator Lindsey Graham has more candidates he could sink the republican agenda. We are about to give away a seat that can determine the future of trumps agenda, and i hope the good people of alabama and the republican side will try to find a way to take a nominee that can represent the conservative cause. Sandra he also says hes in favor of the maneuver that would trigger a new special election. Moore continues to deny all the allegations against him. And looks like for the time being, hes going to be trying to write out the storm heading into the election. Pete he doesnt get to choose. Neither do i, need it to you, neither does anybody else. The people of alabama will ultimately get to decide who represents them in washington and thats not to apologize for a single accusation even though roy moore has it that i do. Either enthusiastically holding their nose or because they want the trump agenda advance. Thats the right to do so and we shouldnt have leaders in a distant capital saying youre acceptable but youre not. We had done that, we would never have ted cruz or marco rubio or mike weeks, these ensure that can be a seas. It is nothing to do with misbehavior. Why do beauties get to choose . What the People Choose and if they choose to replace them, they can do that. Lisa i agree, this is up to the alabama voters. Theyre the ones that have this information in front of them so they have to make the decision when they had to the polls on election day. Which candidate theyre going to decide to choose. I do also think you can also put it in the hands of alabama, the recourse that alabama and the governor of alabama need to do is you can also change the date of the special election to a later date to allow for more time to dissect this information and for voters to be able to digest it and figure it out. So personally, i could make the call, thats what i would want the alabama governor to do. Marie i think this is a tough one because the white house and it seems like they changed a little bit. They first said if its true, he should step out of the race. Theyre not saying that anymore. Theyre now saying let the voters decide. They have switched their position a little bit. Youre right that i dont think politically it works for state for National Parties to come in and pose their will on the states. But if the Republican Party in the state and are not doing this, but lets say they said we dont want him to be our nominee on the ballot, would you feel differently about that . Pete i would like in minnesota some of the dfl party said we dont want al franken anymore, thats different than the Democratic National committee saying it. Just think local is more. Space if this is a question of yes, the voters can decide, should we hold our Public Officials to a higher standard than just what voters will vote for. I think we all agree yes. Sandra it is at the White House Position has changed. Sarah sanders just said the president s position on this has not changed. He was traveling in asia when this came out. They issued a statement that if these allegations are true, he should step aside. At this point, i believe the white house is saying clearly he is not stepping aside, voters need to decide at this point. Trish so its up to the voters in this case and if he actually gets the spot, they can do with that may be in d. C. Because there have been some threats that they would not allow him. We can deal like that. I dont necessarily think thats right, but thats what i think the plan is. That said, i question why some conservatives would want him, all stuff aside with the young women, he has not really been someone who has upheld the constitution in his career. I think thats a big problem for a lot of conservatives and his political opponents would be wiser to put that out there more so than all these allegations because the court record he had, that you can prove. Sandra could you further weigh in on this politically. You heard Lindsey Grahams take on all of this, but what is at stake as far as President Trump and his agenda Going Forward with this race . Lisa the concert of many republicans including people like senator Lindsey Graham and even the president behind the scenes is the fact that with the Republican Party, everything gets attached to them because the Mainstream Media thats going to go out every single day and basically say do you agree with roy moore, do you agree with what he did . That never happens with the left. Look at any election. This always happens on the right because the Mainstream Media as we know it is sickly, they side with the left. Pete theyre not mainstream, they are left. Lisa they are concerned this is going to dog them if wymore is duly elected to the United States senate this is going to dog them every single day that reporters are going to come up to them, this is all thats going to be written about and is going to suck up all the options and make it very difficult to concentrate on things like tax reform and some of these other agenda items. I think that is a concern that they are looking at. Sandra President Trump setting up his Pressure Campaign in north korea, naming it a state sponsor of terror. But that this will help curb the rogue regimes nuclear aggressio aggression. Plus, Administration Officials firing back after a federal judge i am the door the president s attempt to cut funding to sanctuary cities. Why the white house is still confident it will win this legal battle. You always pay your insurance on time. Tap one little bumper, and up go your rates. What good is having insurance if you get punished for using it . 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We are confident the courts will ultimately uphold the president s lawful and necessary authority. While this is closing arguments are wrapping up in the murder trial of kate steinle of the case that started the whole sanctuary city debate. She was shot and killed in San Francisco by an illegal immigrant who was set to be deported for the sixth time before her death, but was allowed to stay under the citys sanctuary policies. Youve kind of said this is a nobrainer, and i agree with yo you. It seems to me that the president of the United States should have the ability to protect the American People and if he thinks that there is an issue with someone who is here illegally, and that person needs to be deported, was it that a city can come in and say theyre fine to stay here. Pete is the common sense of this presidency, that he has attacked things that have come so far in the wrong direction, we are of course correcting. The city or county or state says we are going to ignore federal law, the federal government says you might not get all the funding that you want unless you comply. But i think one of the biggest wakeup calls for the said administration has been a powerful activist judges can be in this country. Pick a certain court, bring a grievance, get a temporary stay or permanent stay, then you have to fight all the way to the Supreme Court and the court of Public Opinion. Thats what you seen this white house work really hard to get young conservative judges confirmed throughout the courts and that will be a big legacy of this presidency. Until then, going to have to wait until this is challenge to the Supreme Court help with the administration can win. Trish the administration absolutely would win. Youre talking about the ability of our president to protect the people. Marie that the general theory. We will see illegally if this order and what he wanted to do complies with the law, and if it doesnt, they should fix it so it does. Thats the point. Pete it happen with the travel ban and they had to refinance three times an activist judge has stopped every time. Marie and the Obama Administration, they brought stays activist judges on the conservative side against obamacare and everything we were doing it happens on both sides. It doesnt mean its right. This will continue to be litigated. The real answer of course, this wont happen because congress is incapable of doing much right now is for congress to do a comprehensive look at immigration, including these kinds of issues to fix it legislatively so we are not fighting this out in the courts. Pete or one by one. The comprehensive stuff usually means amnesty but theres a lot of popular things that are common sense. You can pick some democrats off marie i have no illusions that they will act responsibly and try to move on this because ultimately, we dont want to be fighting this out in the courts but we dont want cities to be operating under federal laws. Trish a federal government is saying one thing, how the city going to come along and Say Something entirely different and still expect to be receiving federal funding . Sandra exactly, i think its incredibly disheartening at the time where the case in the case is ongoing right now. You look at someone like jim steinle who lost his daughter to an immutable legal immigrant wr supposed to be here in the first place who is supposed to be deported for the sixth time. A horrible case from someone who wasnt even supposed to be here. Regarding the judicial aspect of this as well, President Trump has been criticized for his judicial blitz and trying to reshape the federal Court Systems which is positive to try to change in a more conservative bent. We also saw the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch was as a positive for conservatives as well. But to maries point also, this is going to be heavily litigated presidency just like with president obama. We are going to continuously see his policy be put to the test in the court system. Trish theyre just trying to make it difficult for this administration because it just doesnt feel to me like youre asking for the moon. If you say we have laws here and we have borders here in our country and Everyone Needs to respect those laws and our borders. Sandra i just wonder if you are to bring this conversation back to a very basic and simple level about sanctuary cities, bill and i had Marsha Blackburn on in americas newsroom earlier. She was adamant. We need this. This is essential, this crackdown for the president on the century cities in this country right now. I just wonder how you respond to situations like we are seeing in chicago and some of these cities that are dealing with really, really tragic violence. Their current state is not good. You got from emmanuel promising that. Telling Illegal Immigrants you are safe here. How do you address the problem that is sanctuary cities right now . Marie i think its a challenge because in some of these cities you have Police Forces and Law Enforcement who will say we need even Illegal Immigrants to feel comfortable speaking out when they are trying to report crimes that are committed. If you have Police Forces, liberals have taken the and run with it, but it is a fact that some police force is a a second, we dont love the concept of century cities at large, but we need to find a way for even Illegal Immigrants to be able to report crimes in their community. Both sides of the political aisle going to their corners in this and prevent someone like you said what trish said from actually using common sense and meeting in the middle. Thats where we need to be. Pete the illegal immigrant reporting is already illegal. Weve lost the meaning of the world of what it means to be here illegally. Trish the stunning new scandal rocking the media world. Retro newsman charlie rose descended after eight women come forward alleging Sexual Misconduct at the workplace going back years. The reaction from his cps cohosts, let the floodgates open on Sexual Harassment in the media, and politics, and in hollywood. Because this is a moment that demands a frank and honest assessment about where we stand and more generally, the safety of women. Sandra stunning new allegations rocking the media world. Cbss flagship morning shows without one of its host today. The network initially suspending charlie rose over Sexual Misconduct allegations, and now we are just learning that he has been fired. Eight women who came forward to the Washington Post accused the veteran newsman of various misconduct including groping, walking naked in front of them, and telling one of them he dreamed about her swimming. The women ranging in ages from 21 to 37 were employees or sought to work for rose at the charlie rose show. Which airs on pbs. The former assistant, it has taken ten years in a fierce moment of cultural reckoning for me to understand these moments are what they. He was a sexual predator and i was his victim. In a statement, rose says in part it is essential that these women know i hear them and that i deeply apologize for my inappropriate behavior. I am greatly embarrassed. I have behaved insensitively at times, and i except responsibly for that, though i do not believe that all of these allegations are accurate. I was felt i was pursuing shared feelings even though i now realize i was mistaken. Meantime, it made for a remarkable and emotional moment when roses female cohost tackle the controversy had on at the start of todays show. Watch. This is a moment that demands a frank and honest assessment about where we stand and more generally, the safety of women. Let me be very clear. There was no excuse for this alleged behavior. This systematic and pervasive, and ive been doing a lot of listening and am going to take continue to do that. Charlie does not get a pass here. He doesnt get a pass from anyone in this room. We are all deeply affected and rocked by this. I want to echo what nora said. I really applaud the women to speak up despite the friendship. He doesnt get a pass because i cant stop thinking about the english of these women. Sandra the rose controversy arose the same day as the New York Times spent it start political reporter one fresh for an apparent pattern of hitting on and groping young female colleagues. So this is just breaking. Carly rose now fired by cbs. Ill open that one up to you. Pete obviously powerful, hes been a titan of the media world for a long time but just like conyers and the first segment we talked about folks that have been in an institution for years and may be thought they were playing by a certain set of rules that were acceptable because of the power dynamic at play, unwanted was okay in their mind. In the day of reckoning has come. I thought Norah Odonnell and gayle king handled it very well. How else do you do it other than to take it straight on . Sandra cbs saying the short time ago they have terminated charlie rose, following the revelation yesterday of extremely disturbing and intolerable behavior said to have revolved around his pbs program. Marie for me, one of the most disturbing parts of the charlie rose story, and we may actually hear more about this in other cases as his executive producer is a woman. I do not know her, but she apparently had been hearing over many years for many women including some of the story who said they reported to her that this behavior was happening. She ethic released a Statement Last night saying she wished she had done more but we all talk on this couch a lot about how women need to look out for each other, we need to stick up for each other, thats a part of this story that for some reason really bothered me, that she would these young women and apparently didnt do anything about that. I just dont understand that. Sandra i think as we dissected us in the coming days and weeks, we may need to do more to stick up for other women in the workplace. But charlie never shouldve done that in the first place. Its so horrific that that kind of behavior from any individual existed to begin with, but the idea that there is been a mechanism for it to be in the forest and he has people around him that are enforcing that behavior or allowing its a problem. We are seeing increasingly its a problem in a lot of places. Lisa absolutely. I feel like the common denominator in all of this is the fact that people exploit power. And we are seeing that it doesnt matter the industry its hollywood, if its media, if its congress. Comedy on the whatever the industry is, people exploit power. We see this and other things as well with members of congress being indicted for all these other different charges for corruption and money going certain places from campaign and things of that nature. People exploit power and its wrong. Sandra im just now having a chance to read the memo that was sent out by cps staffers shortly following the firing of charlie rose a few moments ago. At the New York Times obtained it. Ive got it in front of me. And it towards the middle, it says ive often heard that things used to be different and no one can correct the past but what may have once been accepted should not ever have been acceptable. Which is an interesting way to approach that. Marie i think this challenge we are all going through that may be there used to be different roles doesnt make it okay but we are seeing across multiple industries there were men in power who somehow felt protected. They werent going to get punished. So we are going back and reevaluating instances that have been a five, ten, 20, 30 years ago and we are looking at them in this current light of our situation and trying to make sense of all of it. I think thats actually really interesting line that they put in there. Trish you read that article there in the Washington Post, the idea that reducers were coming to his apartment, taking showers, it reminds me of the Harvey Weinstein story. What would you go to someones hotel room for a Job Interview or for a meeting . That just seems weird. Youve got charlie bringing producers over to his apartment, and i think that there needs to be more of a distinction between church and state so to speak in the workplace and maybe youre not taking a shower when youre producer is knocking on the doo door. This is bizarre behavior. Sandra thats what his former employer now cb is also detailed in that statement pretty has been fired for extremely disturbing and intolerable behavior. We will leave it there. Were learning more about that obama ever uranium one deal as the hill is reporting revelations about what an informant told the fbi before the deal went down. Information sent to conflict with statements made by officials in the past. Whether its time for special counsel to investigate this. [sfx truck driving] its that season again. Get a head start on black friday at cabelas pre black friday sale. 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This is the hills reporting on new revelations of what an informant told the fbi before the deal went down in 2010. That information of report that conflicts with Justice Department officials have made before that the informants work would not shed light on the decision to approve russias purchase of uranium one. Documents obtained by the hill show that the fbi had evidence of criminality well before the Obama Administration approved russias purchase of uranium one. They also suggest the purchase was a strategy to make the United States more reliant on russian owned Raw Materials and they show the russians were exporting you or anyone out of the country despite reports that no uranium was exported. This after eric trump called for a special counsel to investigate the deal saying there was more than enough proof something fishy happened. Are people really naive enough to believe that somebody gave Hillary Clinton, secretary of state at the time, 145 million for her foundation for nothing . Do people really believe that . To me, its such a travesty that thats not being investigated because there is something there and it smells and looks horrible and personally, i dont believe that somebody would give 145 million for nothing to Hillary Clinton, to a Government Official at the time. Lisa obviously, theres a lot of Different Directions to go with us and theres a lot to one pack with so much information. I want to start with you. As Justice Department officials going to brief Congress Next week, we are finding out some collecting information with things of the doj has said trying to downplay the information that this informant has. Also finding out the fbi knew about the scheme before the deal was approved. So from your perspective, what answers do you Hope Congress gets . Pete im going to guess at the clinton and obama camps, their defense will be simply that the right hand wasnt talking to the left hand. The decisionmakers and have all the information. If this truly was a pending investigation into russia getting their hands into her energy sector, with that not be something you wouldnt want to happen and what that not calling our decisionmaking . Thats really important. The other angle that works against that a lot is that suddenly russia became very charitable to one certain foundation and it wasnt a couple hundred thousand dollars, it was 145 Million People directly tied to this. It may have been only one part of the decisionmaking process. Shes a really big part of it if its not her, she knows a lot of people, she knows a lot of people in government has a lot of influence in government. Or have other people involved. Marie having worked with the state department, the decision which is this committee which decides these decisions are almost always is not always made way below the secretary of state level. I would be shocked, and we have seen no evidence, that Hillary Clinton herself was a part of this decision. Pete you dont see any evidence overall. Space and i have not seen one shred of evidence that Hillary Clinton herself was involved in the state departments decision to sign off on this. The state Department Employees dont care about getting money from the foundation. Trish their incompetence they are under Hillary Clinton where they dont know about those things, she shouldve known something about this. You know who else shouldve known something about this [boos] eric holder because his own fbi was conducting an investigation into how the russians were trying to gain an outside influence into our uranium supply sector. And the company that was doing this acquisition was called uranium holding. It was owned entirely by the Russian State Atomic Energy company. So these are those little red flags where you say she didnt know anything, she was responsible. Everyone should have known. Everyone. Sandra my point is, thats how bureaucracy works. We can save the deal shouldnt have been approved. We should say we want answers but we can all agree on that. But the idea of then saying shouldnt Hillary Clinton be held accountable because she got bribed into taking money to approve this, that is a Conspiracy Theory where there is no evidence. Trish 145 million going to the nation. Pete says please do this. Sandra how do you respond to the fbi informant who now we know is named because writers put it out there, i interviewed the lawyers this morning for the informant. What did you think about that . She says there is hard evidence, it goes back to 2010 and reveals hard evidence of corruption her here. Marie i think we should hear from the informant. I have always said that i think we will. And congress will soon be hearing from him, i believe. We should hear, we should get some answers, bowing to be careful saying this is either a bad deal or Hillary Clinton is guilty of some special counsel corruption. There is no evidence of that. Trish 145 million running to the clinton foundation. Trish if nothing else, youre going to ask these questions. Lisa this is also something that president obama was concerned about having Hillary Clinton serves the secretary of state still having the on going. This is something he is worried about and the National Security and vocations here. Moving on, President Trumps big move to get north korea to abandon its nuclear program. Will it work and doesnt step up pressure on china . We will debate. Youre going to want to watch. Today, the United States is designating north korea as a state sponsor of terrorism. Shouldve happened a long time ago, shouldve happened years ago. When heartburn hits, fight back fast with tums smoothies. It starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue. And neutralizes stomach acid at the source. Tum tum tum tum smoothies only from tums sandra amor outnumbered in just a moment, but first heading up to the mezzanine. Shes in for harris. Whats coming up on outnumbered overtime. We will have more reaction to the breaking news that charlie rose was fired by cbs over Sexual Misconduct allegations and a judge blocks President Trumps order to cut funding from sanctuary cities just as closing arguments wrap up and the murder case that set off the century city debate in the first place. Can the administration win an appeal in the nations most notorious liberal court . That and more on ot at the top of the hour. Sandra we will watching, thank you. The white house making another big move against north korea. President trump officially read designating north korea as a state sponsor of terror. For the First Time Since 2008. A decision aimed at stepping up pressure on the resume to abandon its nuclear program. We are waiting to hear what sanctions go with the redesignation. North korea joins iran, sudan, and syria on the list. Secretary of state Rex Tillerson suggesting the move will further the business for the regime and sent the message of north korean dictator kim jong un. Because this just continues to tighten the pressure on the kim regime. All with an intention to have him understand this is only going to get worse. Until youre ready to come and talk. Sandra pete . Pete its only going to get worse, when is it going to get worse enough so that we do with the rise which is the only state that anyone ever talks about. I support this, i think this Administration Takes north korea more seriously than any other previous administrations in light of the threats. They dont want war, everyone knows the invocations of that, so theyre trying to tighten. Until we truly change the incentives for china, playing real hard ball, economic trade hardball. It doesnt go far enough until you actually bring them to their knees. I dont know if this does that. Marie this is it designed to do that. This is a signal thats important to send but its not going to fundamentally change the pressure on north korean regime. Pete is right. China still holds the cards her here. Weve also heard increasingly that china has stopped doing some business, russia has picked that up. Point today with Vladimir Putins russia support for north korea, which actually has increased a little bit. Sandra im going to put you on the spot here because of your background. Can you explain to us why did north korea come off of that list . Marie george w. Bush took it off in his last year because it was designed to be sort of a carrot used to see if north korea had come to the negotiating table with talk talking about possibly moving toward getting rid of missiles. He used it as an incentive basically saying we will give you this, which in practice it doesnt have a lot of, its a sanctions that can be applied that are actually a piece. So he was using it as a administration was doing in the second term to see if there could be possibility of negotiations. The North Koreans were interested in that. Pete they ate all the carrots and i would need a baseball bat. Marie people are still starving. I think that again, the president went to china last week. He had a very tough conversations. We will see in the medium to long term of those actually have an impact on invasion cracking down. Sandra you think he purposely waited to make this announcement and designation after his trip . Six i think so. Lisa my concern is, hows that going to happen . Outside of military action . Talking about allout war. We really trust that china has the will to do that and make them have the will . I do agree that we need to be tougher with china. I think President Trumps has tried to court china, try to build that relationship and hope that that would be fruitful, and it doesnt seem that it is. Trish china needs us more than we need them. We have a lot of economic power and we would much rather lose dollars and lives. Before we escalate to military, god forgets it it gets to that, certainly have a ton of military power but we have a ton of economic power. Sandra amor outnumbered in just a moment. Whoooo. Looking for a hotel that fits. Your budget . Tripadvisor now searches over. 200 sites to find you the. Hotel you want at the lowest price. Grazi, gino find a price that fits. Tripadvisor. I always tell you, the commercial breaks. Shes really into it. I know little about it but im very passionate. Thanks to everybody on the couch and pete hegseth, thanks to you. Here is miss melissa. Melissa all right, of fox news alerts just moments ago, cbs news confirming they have fired awardwinning veteran journalist charlie rose after stunning allegations of Sexual Misconduct. Cbs calling the alleged behavior extremely disturbing and intolerable. This as new allegations are also wrecking capitol hill, this is outnumbered overtime, i Melissa Francis and for harris faulkner. Fuzzy reporting that Democrat John connors, the dean of the house of representatives settled a lawsuit in 2015 from a staffer who alleges that she was fires d for rejecting his sexual advances. A