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Illegal migration at record highs, dissatisfaction with the governments handling of the issue is now at its highest level since before the brexit referendum. The controversial referendum. The controversial Online Safety bill goes through its final stages as reality tv stars are set to descend on downing street to support the controversial new regulation. Controversial new regulation. And well be bringing you the very latest weather updates with alex burkill. Alex burkill. Good morning. A bit of rain good morning. A bit of rain around today and it will feel cooler than of late, too. Ill have more details later. Have more details later. Look forward to that. Unfortunately as always, paul coyte will be here with the latest from the world of sport. And what are we looking at there, paul. 7 well, i dont know whether actually bother telling you. You know, frankly, i dont think know, i frankly, i dont think i care. Paul pogba, hes on all sorts of trouble after testing positive testosterone. And positive for testosterone. And its anniversary game its the 150th anniversary game of scotland tonight i yeah. Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Pogba is testing positive for testosterone. Could that mean hes highly charged . Well , charged . Well, youll charged . Well , youll know when charged . Well, youll know when you see the amount that it actually means. Hes more highly charged than legally than a be highly charged. Okay. Whereas by the way, ive tested negative this morning. No performance enhancing anything for me today i well, well, no comment from eamonn i see how youre enhanced today. Let us know. You can join today. Let us know. You can join in any of our discussions. So you were saying, whats the anniversary of the england 150th 150th year . Thats in glasgow tonight glasgow. To look tonight in glasgow. To look forward so the forward to that. Okay. So the old enemies meet tonight. Your views, your memories. Gb views the gbnews. Com or tweet at. The gbnews. Com or tweet at. Gb news. So our top story this morning, questions have been raised over the uks china policy after a british Parliamentary Researcher was arrested on suspicion of spying for beijing. Well, this comes as the business secretary Kemi Badenoch claims that britain cannot afford to cut ties with china and insisted that a row over spine should not result in any breaking off official communications with beijing. Communications with beijing. The Prime Minister, meanwhile, has told the house of commons that the sanctity of westminster must be protected following these events with the Parliamentary Researcher in question denying all question strenuously denying all allegations, i love, i sort of makes it that its a church or a cathedral or religion. The sanctity of this place is nothing too much holy going on there. But what is going on . There. But what is going on . Lets go to our Political Correspondent, catherine foster, whos westminster for all whos in westminster for all the developments. Careful what developments. Be careful what you catherine. Somebody is you say, catherine. Somebody is probably. Probably listening. Yes , indeed. Good morning, yes, indeed. Good morning, eamonn and isabel. So this huge row about china is really rumbling on. Theres a lot of angen rumbling on. Theres a lot of anger. Theres a lot of concern from mps. Theres some fear that from mps. Theres some fear that this man who has been arrested back in march, important to say, not charged with anything as yet , and that they fear that he might be the first of many, that there might be several other people working in westminster for the Chinese State and of course, if that turns out to be the case, it wouldnt be the first time that china has interfered in our affairs. First time that china has interfered in our affairs. Lets interfered in our affairs. Lets have a little look. Have a little look. The idea that china may have recruited a British National to work as a spy may come as a shock, but its not entirely a new thing. Back in 2023, new thing. Back in 2023, journalists were expelled from the uk for allegedly working as chinese agents, while posing for one of the countrys press agencies. Meanwhile mi5 issued a rare security alert last year, warning that this woman, Christine Lee , is a spy. Lee Christine Lee, is a spy. Lee rejected the accusation. And in july this year launched legal action on former minister sir ian duncan. Smith claims that ministerial cars may well have been tracked by the Chinese Government and uk ministers have been banned from using tiktok , a been banned from using tiktok, a social media platform being run by a Chinese Company and was deemed a risk to security. But deemed a risk to security. But its not only china that poses a challenge in the human intelligence space wars. In march last year, the uk, together with the us and other allies, exposed historic cyber hacking by Russias Federal Security Service , which replaced security service, which replaced the kgb. Meanwhile, back in the kgb. Meanwhile, back in february , a British Embassy february, a British Embassy Security Guard was jailed for spying for russia. Spying for russia. Important , spying for russia. Important, important to say. I think that Christine Lee, who had very strong connections with labour mp barry gardiner, was subsequently not actually charged. But clearly theres charged. But clearly theres lots going on and we probably know only a very, very tiny fraction now this, of course, has reunited the ongoing debate within the conservative party about how how tough we should be with china , the language that we with china, the language that we should use , rishi sunak said should use, rishi sunak said that at the g20 he spoke very strongly to the chinese pm and said that this sort of behaviour was absolutely unacceptable. Was absolutely unacceptable. While we dont know whether the foreign secretary, james cleverly, who of course went to china in the last few weeks, the first such visit in about five years, addressed this directly or not, but massive pressure on the government who are resistant to calling china a threat because is, of course, their second biggest economy in the world. Weve got huge economic ties with them. Keir starmer ties with them. Keir starmer asked yesterday , wouldnt call asked yesterday, wouldnt call china a threat either. He also took to that word challenge. But took to that word challenge. But real pressure on the government now. And deputy Prime Minister Oliver Dowden yesterday in the house of commons did suggest that there was a strong case for adding china to whats or to an enhanced tier of what they call the foreign influence registration scheme. Now, registration scheme. Now, basically that would, if that happens, would designate china as a potential risk to uk safety or interests. And it would mean that anybody who was working at the direction of china or for, you know, state owned Chinese Companies would have to register that and declare what they were doing and failure to do so could result in five years in jail. But i suspect this story has still got a long way to go. And we probably are only at the beginning of it. But this row about china completely reignited yet again. Yet again. And catherine, another element in all of this is the secrecy that its been shrouded in lots of criticisms of the decision of the speaker of the house of commons, Lindsay Hoyle , to keep that arrest back in march just to a minimum of people being informed, mps saying they had a right to know that and indeed dont we as a society as well , who put these society as well, who put these people into parliament and also Lindsay Hoyle yesterday coming out and urging mps not to name the individual and also not to give details of this case, which some people would say this is a police state. If were keeping secrets about arrests and certainly the prosecution isnt it, theyre worried about compromising the prosecution if there is going to be a prosecution. Thats thats the trouble. Thats thats the trouble. Mike. Catherine and catherine. Well, i cant hear you very well. So i if youre if you dont worry. Okay. Dont worry. Catherine, thank you. From here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And well make it up the way the government makes it up as well. I laugh. Sunak getting up yesterday, all pompous and sanctimonious. The sanctum of this house, the sanctity and sanctity is a religious term. I just took objection to that. But anyway, it says here, he says when he was at that g20 summit, they said that china had to be in the room with the uk. And in the room with the uk. And rishi sunak argued that speaking frankly and directly with beijing was in the countrys national interest. Now, what i say is i frankly and directly did you speak little rishi and your little suit going into the room to the chinese president . Room to the chinese president . But the chinese president was sweating on that one. He said, hold on here comes rishi. Hide me behind this desk. You dont have to be tall to be intimidating. Most of the dictators in the tyrant. But i dont believe putin, whoever it might be, napoleon. Theyre all very small dont think very small men. I dont think his size is relevant. Smaller rishi. Smaller than rishi. Smaller than rishi. Similar height, probably similar height, actually, was actually, if there was a line up, i doubt it. Line up, but i doubt it. But i dont believe you mean i dont believe that rishi went in oh, you know, do in and say, oh, you know, you do any more with us and any more business with us and ill your off, you ill knock your block off, you know, not at all. And you know, he totally doesnt to that doesnt want to take that approach. Anything, wants approach. If anything, he wants to keep them as sweet as to try and keep them as sweet as possible. All this pragmatism, i mean, defining mean, this epoch defining challenge, even challenge, what does that even mean . Sunak clearly there are threats. What is an epoch, a period in time like a eunuch, like unicorn. Its a period in time. Its the time we live in an epoch defining challenge. Who thought that one up . Oh, look, bottom line is we need chinas money according to this government. Well, they need it. They need. They do, too. Yeah they need. They do, too. Yeah yeah. So. So basically theyre not going to do anything to annoy chinese at and but to annoy the chinese at and but there we go. Your views are very welcome in this. These are just us airing, venting a few frustrations like this observations , observations to observations, observations to all you eunuchs out there epochs. What are they . What are the epochs. I dont know what they are, but we were referring to epochs. Gb views gbnews. Com or you can a certificate us or at gb news us. But you cant really say exit. Its ridiculous. Its ridiculous. Its ridiculous. I mean, have you seen all the details about his new autobiography thats out all by ography . Whichever it is were talking about elon musk here. I mean, his latest child that he didnt tell just found tell us about. Weve just found out hes had an 11th child. Hes got an another extraordinary name. Called tao name. I think its called tao for short, but two very strange names. So no wonder hes called names. So no wonder hes called twitter something a little bit odd because hes got a thing about funny names. Anyway tweet us. Well stick with the us. Well just stick with the old phrase. Us. Well just stick with the old yeah, phrase. Us. Well just stick with the old yeah, thats. Hrase. Us. Well just stick with the old yeah, itlls. Hrase. Us. Well just stick with the old yeah, itll alwayse. Us. Well just stick with the old yeah, itll always be yeah, itll always be twitter, i suppose. Home office twitter, i suppose. Home office data reveals that since the European Union referendum, there has been an eight fold increase in the number of Asylum Seekers being housed in in conservative areas , which may make it even areas, which may make it even worse. Woise. Worse. And according to other research, dissatisfied action among the British Public, the governments handling of immigration is at its highest level since before the brexit vote. Lets look at the figures 66 of those questioned across england , scotland and wales said england, scotland and wales said they are dissatisfied with the way politicians are dealing with this issue. This issue. Well, lets go to former brexit party mep ben habib. Are you one of those dissatisfied people . Morning well, not me. Down with the feather. The british people are upset that weve got open borders. Extraordinary. And just borders. Extraordinary. And just picking up on rishi sunaks comment, the sanctity of our sovereign state has been invaded by these people coming across both illegally and legally. Lets not forget legal migration is completely out of control. Is completely out of control. What we were told before brexit was that we would take control of our borders, that we would have a points based guild, a skill based point system which would allow us to ensure that only skilled people came into the uk. But actually what weve doneis the uk. But actually what weve done is completely turn our back on our domestic labour market. We fill jobs with cheap labour from abroad. Weve dumbed down the skills required in to order qualify to come to this country and weve got completely open border britain. This is not what people voted for in 2016. Its not good for the economy short term. Its not good for the term. Its not good for the economy , medium or long term. Economy, medium or long term. Rishi sunak and jeremy hunt need to get a grip and have a holistic approach to how they how they deal with our labour market. They just havent got a clue at the moment. And meanwhile, this public dissatisfaction really presents a huge opportunity for the labour party would then very much , if youll pardon the much, if youll pardon the expression, parking their tanks on traditional right territory with, you know , keir starmer with, you know, keir starmer heading off to europol tomorrow to try and talk to them about beefing up can be done in beefing up what can be done in the channel is to off i think is a conference in montreal at the end of the week where hes talking to members of the left. Theyre saying this shouldnt be a right wing issue, this should be, you know, centre left as well. And this the this is well. And this is the this is a huge challenge for the conservatives, not only in deaung conservatives, not only in dealing with but in holding dealing with it, but in holding on. On to power. I mean, isabel, actually the labour party should have championed this right from the start. The protection and start. The protection and promotion of British Labour rights is what theyre all about , right . But, you know, unbridled migration cuts the legs out from underneath the british worker. But it was tony blair who took us down this path. And starmer is the tony blair new labour cut. And you know, if we think the conservative party has been bad, you wait until labour get in, they will. They will completely throw open the doors if theyre not already completely open. So i dont trust anything coming out of starmer to the extent that hes saying the right things, its to only curry favour with the electorate. Once he gets into power, assuming he gets into power, he will be the same as the predecessors. Weve had both in the conservative and labour party. They dont have joined up thinking on how to get britain working again. They will point to low unemployment figures and say , actually look figures and say, actually look at that. Havent we done a good job . But unemployment figures dont pick up all those who are not seeking employment. We have not seeking employment. We have a record 6. 2 Million People on some shape or form of universal credit thats double what it was in 2019 and six times as much as it was in 2018. The country is simply not working , literally simply not working, literally not working. Not working. And when you say that sunak and hunt should get a grip of the labour market, what do you mean by that . Well theyve got mean by that . Well theyve got to theyve got to promote policies which encourage people to go back into work. To go back into work. Weve got 2. 4 Million People not even looking for work at the moment. As i mentioned 6. 2 million surviving on a sort of subsistence level. And the most obvious way to do it, the easiest way to do it, is to cut taxes on the working and middle class. The median wage in this country now is just over £30,000 a year after tax. Eamonn, thats a year after tax. Eamonn, thats very close to what you can get sort of on benefits. Its sort of on benefits. Its without having to lift a finger and i dont say that in a prejudicial sense. Im not denigrating those who arent working. It just simply doesnt make sense at the moment to come into the workforce and be, for example, an ambulance driver. Example, an ambulance driver. You enter the workforce on about £22,000 a year. The average ambulance driver gets £28,000 a yeah ambulance driver gets £28,000 a year. Net after tax. That is less than what you get on benefits. Why would you work . Weve got to remove the tax burden from the working in middle classes. Burden from the working in middle classes. Weve got to middle classes. Weve got to stop putting a sticking plaster over our failure to get them working by taking in cheap unskilled labour. And thats what were doing. Weve got to stop it. Ben habib weve got to stop you there. Thank you very much indeed for outlining that very crystal clear. Thank you. You heard what ben habib has had to say. Are you feeling . The say. How are you feeling . The tax you get ready for tax burden as you get ready for work today and head out that work today and to head out that doonisit work today and to head out that door, is it worth your while , door, is it worth your while, really at the end of the month when you look at how much of your is taken in your salary is taken away in terms of tax . And i think i know the answer to this question already, but ill out there anyway. Ill put it out there anyway. Are of two thirds of are you one of the two thirds of british people who disad british people who are disad satisfied with the the satisfied with the way the government the issue government is handling the issue of migration . Get in touch. Let us know your thoughts with the Prime Minister keeps saying his stop the boats plan is making progress and its and its working. But what people are finding it very difficult to see how where, when and why it is doing that reminder of our top stories with the time is 6. 17 at the parliamentary staff are suspected of spying for beijing claims hes completely innocent. As reports emerge of a whole network of westminster informants for china , a new informants for china, a new survey reveals dissatisfaction with the governments handling of migration is at its highest level since before the brexit referendum. And reality tv stars referendum. And reality tv stars are descending on downing street today to back the governments Online Safety bill as its set to go through its final stages in. Parliament in. Parliament who are these reality tv stars that are descending . People like georgia harrison, who we interviewed on this program , who was the victim of program, who was the victim of revenge at the hands of i want to call him stephen bear. Was that his name . And she bravely spoke to us about the impact that how shes actually that had and how shes actually been bit trailblazer and been a bit of a trailblazer and managed to change the were managed to change the law. Were speaking donelan, speaking to Michelle Donelan, who responsible the who is responsible for the Online Safety bill. About quarter about this. Quarter to about all of this. I think the sort of think shes one of the sort of prominent ones. Theres a few more minor celebs, but interesting to hear. Just look these lets just look at these pictures coming into us now, receiving pictures. This receiving live pictures. This is off kallawaya kilauea off the kallawaya kilauea volcano in hawaii , erupting for volcano in hawaii, erupting for the third time this year. If you are listening on the radio, this is really glowing lava. And this particular volcano is famous for that. Its been quiet for two months and its just erupted again. And of course, well all be aware that this is just four weeks on from those devastating wildfires on the island of hawaii around maui, where there was a huge loss life. At the moment, loss of life. At the moment, theyre too not concerned about this volcano. Its just this volcano. Its just absolutely brilliant. Pictures absolutely brilliant. Pictures for this morning. If you do for us this morning. If you do get a chance to have a look, if you are listening on the radio, do so our gb news website, do so via our gb news website, which out is the which i should point out is the nations growing news nations Fastest Growing news website. All those pictures website. Well all those pictures for you there. For you there. Lets just look at the state of the world. You look at that volcano erupting there. What has happenedin volcano erupting there. What has happened in morocco, which is absolutely devastating. And with the amount of people, thousands of people dead because of that earthquake , libya. Earthquake, libya. Yes, huge underwater. Yes, huge underwater. 2000 dead in libya. 2000 dead in libya. Greece underwater after greece under fire, wildfires in hawaii. So it just just goes around around the world. These natural disasters, its all pretty, pretty awful. The pretty, pretty awful. The weather picture , i suppose. Weather picture, i suppose. I thought yesterday was supposed to be a scorcher. Yeah. The last one, bunk off britain. That didnt happen. Certainly not where live. No. Certainly not where we live. No. And rather nippy today. Lets have a look at the details. Have a look at the details. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Good morning. For many, theres a bit of a cooler feel around at the moment with some rain across parts of england in particular. And also the risk of a Little Thunder later taking a look first thing and yes, a cloudy, wet start across this central slice of england into southwest england as well through the morning. Some of through the morning. Some of that rain across parts of lancashire into east anglia could be quite persistent and heavy meanwhile, in heavy at times. Meanwhile, in the southeast , high humidity the far southeast, high humidity could heavy, could allow for some heavy, perhaps downpours perhaps even thundery downpours to develop as we go into the afternoon whilst across scotland, Northern Ireland and wales. Picture just a wales. A brighter picture just a scattering though scattering of showers though most highs most places avoiding these highs lower recently, but could lower than recently, but could get to around 24 or 25 celsius in the south east through the end of the day. Were going to continue to see a quite cloudy, wet picture across parts of the southeast. Rain will southeast. That rain will gradually away as we go gradually clear away as we go through otherwise through the night. Otherwise quite of clear skies quite a good deal of clear skies and slack flow under this and a slack flow under this slack flow. Temperatures are going to take a bit of a dip, a real contrast last week. Some real contrast to last week. Some places across of scotland places across parts of scotland could close to freezing, could get close to freezing, perhaps grass, frost perhaps a touch of grass, frost , even localised air , maybe even a localised air frost, perhaps first thing on wednesday then cloudy wednesday morning, then cloudy to in the southeast. To start off in the southeast. Any rain clear away quite any rain will clear away quite quickly otherwise of dry, quickly. Otherwise a lot of dry, bright , quickly. Otherwise a lot of dry, bright, sunny quickly. Otherwise a lot of dry, bright , sunny weather through bright, sunny weather through a good chunk of the morning. But then windy then things turn wet and windy from the northwest as we go into the afternoon a deep area the afternoon due to a deep area of low pressure thats to of low pressure thats going to arrive quite a cloudy arrive later, quite a cloudy picture compared recent picture compared to some recent days and temperatures down a couple of degrees and feeling cooler in the that warm cooler in the winds that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. You know what it means when it gets cooler. It means the spiders are coming in and you know what it means when the spiders are coming in . Well, theyre getting ready to mate out inside your house. I read this yesterday. Horny spiders. As if things could not get any worse. Woise. Worse. Im horrified. Cold they want someone to cuddle up. They were coming in for snuggles. Adult snuggles. Its not okay coming in for more than snuggles by the sounds of it, paul coyte is coming in for the sport and hes going to be here with the latest. The enemy tonight at scotland against england in glasgow tonight , the 150th anniversary tonight, the 150th anniversary at hampden on this tuesday morning. A very on this tuesday morning. A very good morning to you. Heres the news were waking up to disposable vapes are to be bannedin disposable vapes are to be banned in england in a bid to stop children becoming addicted to them. Health ministers say bright packaging and sweet flavours are behind increasing number of behind an increasing number of young vapers. Young vapers. The first wilko shops will close today as the dramatic collapse of the high street chain unfolds. The retailer will shut the first 24 of nearly 400 shops across the country as 12,500 people will be made redundant. Redundant. The gmb union has backed our calls to dont kill cash. They calls to dont kill cash. They say the disturbing scenes of mass Bank Closures would put Vulnerable People at risk of financial exclusion. The prime financial exclusion. The Prime Minister had previously appeared to rule out such a move, insisting it would not be appropriate for the government to start imposing such rules on individual businesses. Five children who travelled from britain to pakistan with saira sharifs father, have returned to her grandfather hours after being taken by police. Neighbours said dozens police. Neighbours said dozens of officers raided the grandfathers house where the children were staying. Ten year old sarah was found dead at her family home in woking in surrey , a day after her father and his partner, nour, left england and a woman has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a two Year Old Girl was found in a village pond in hampshire. Village pond in hampshire. Police are appealing for information after officers were called to the home of the child in kingsley, following reports that the girl had disappeared. That the girl had disappeared. Not much. Im looking forward not much. Im looking forward to this evening and im neither engush to this evening and im neither english or scottish. Is the enemy against each other at hampden paul coyte will talk us through this one. This has got a significance. They always have a significance. They always have a significance. But this one in significance. But this one in terms of date 150th, its terms of the date 150th, its the 150th. The 150th game. Its the 150th anniversary actually. Interestingly the first one was 1872. We did you at that one. I know i was at the i was at the 50th anniversary. I didnt quite i think you were the one that was at the first one. But but yeah, im looking forward it. Yeah, im looking forward to it. And significance of and because the significance of it if you look back, if we it is, if you look back, if we go back maybe 30 years or so , go back maybe 30 years or so, the most important thing is that everybody wanted watch it everybody wanted to watch it because was of the only because it was one of the only live tv games. There was only two. They used to be on it used to be the fa cup final and the england scotland for the england scotland game for the home internationals a home internationals 3 00 on a saturday absolutely right. Where the scots would come down the crossbar down and sit on the crossbar at wembley. Wembley. And that was 1977. Yeah when they england 2 1 they famously beat england 2 1 and much smashed smashed and pretty much smashed smashed up wembley celebrating. And up wembley celebrating. And theres been so many huge games. Probably the last great one would have would have been for england, which was euro 96 gazza the moving ball we can discuss with that a little bit later but it always is a big game and also especially fact that especially the fact that scotland playing at scotland are playing so well at the moment for the first time five trot. Mean this is five on the trot. I mean this is classified as friendly but classified as a friendly but lets it, nothing lets face it, theres nothing friendly about this. Yeah, i think probably less so. The fact that its at hampden park, i think of think its probably less of a friendly for scotland. Think friendly for scotland. I think its say that scottish its fair to say that scottish fans than it would be for england. But theres, theres no love lost between the two, of course. And its been three years since last. But are years since the last. But are you saying, paul, you think it matters more scotland it matters more to scotland than it does england . Know does to england . I you know what . This be controversial what . This may be controversial and may be upsetting people, and it may be upsetting people, but i actually think thats but i actually do think thats the i do think. The way i do think. Were lose this, if england were to lose this, that is not a good look that really is not a good look for them. That really is not a good look for now,. That really is not a good look for now, of course its not. Its now, of course its not. Its a game that both will want to win, but the whole thing is just to celebrate this 150 years. But it so much more than it is so much more than a friendly that old friendly that its that old phrase. No friendlies phrase. Theres no friendlies in football, but this case, you football, but in this case, you know, going to be going know, theyre going to be going for it. Theyre going to be for it. Theyre both going to be youve got special half youve got a special guest half past eight this morning. Yeah, man, played. Past eight this morning. Yeah, man, guess. Played. Past eight this morning. Yeah, man, guess. Im played. Past eight this morning. Yeah, man, guess. Im tryingayed. Past eight this morning. Yeah, man, guess. Im trying to d. Past eight this morning. Yeah, man, guess. Im trying to look would guess. Im trying to look into this probably paid more of those than other. And those games than any other. And hes played england games hes played more. England games than thats than anybody. Thats thats peter in Peter Shilton. He played back in 73 hundredth anniversary 73 for the hundredth anniversary free which england won by free game which england won by the they called it the the way. They called it the valentines massacre when valentines day massacre when england there and england won 5 0 up there and hes played in ten england, scotland games and hes going to be with us just after 8 00. Okay. Well, we look forward to that. Wales doing all right whilst doing okay. Latvia, but latvia away beat latvia, but latvia away in i dont want to put in riga, i dont want to put a dampener on it for for, wales, but latvia really arent that good. Point yet in good. Havent got a point yet in the european championship. So good. Havent got a point yet in thethe opean championship. So good. Havent got a point yet in thethe same championship. So good. Havent got a point yet in thethe same ahampionship. So good. Havent got a point yet in thethe same a winsonship. So good. Havent got a point yet in thethe same a wins a|ship. So good. Havent got a point yet in thethe same a wins a win. So all the same a wins a win. Theyve got turkey in their group, got in group, theyve got croatia in their so thats not going group, theyve got croatia in their easy so thats not going group, theyve got croatia in their easy for thats not going group, theyve got croatia in their easy for wales. Not going group, theyve got croatia in their easy for wales. But going to be easy for wales. But theyve managed to win. So that keeps probably the wolf away from as as rob from the door. As far as rob page concerned. So good win page is concerned. So good win for them. Pogba might be bit of paul pogba might be a bit of a pumped full of a wolf pumped full of testosterone. Dear. Hes testosterone. Oh, dear. Hes not your face. Hes never been your favourite he paul pogba. Favourite as he paul pogba. Hes a complete waste. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Do. But but tell this. So do. But but tell me this. So hes. Showing increased hes. Hes showing increased levels testosterone. Not at levels of testosterone. Not at a normal level. Yeah. Normal level. Yeah. Hes failed the drugs test. They often say that with testosterone alone. And we looked into this when we were talking about boxing a few months it lasts months ago, it lasts for a certain amount of time. Its foolhardy to be actually in the middle of a season and be taking testosterone. Hes still got another test. So theres an a sample. Theres a b sample. The a samples come up positive, which means now going which means hes now hes going to be suspended if the b sample then comes up positive, then that will mean that hes he can be banned for up to four years. Take him to 34, which probably means the end of the career. So so testosterone is not the worst drug you could be taking, i suppose it all depends in what way were talking. But it wouldnt be illegal in real life, would it . No, but its performance enhancing. Enhancing . You could have where you could have an have it where you could have an illegal a footballer illegal drug where a footballer is taking a legal is banned for taking a legal drug, which would be recreational, theyd recreational, but theyd be banned that. You think, banned for that. And you think, well, its hardly performance enhancing, testosterone enhancing, whereas testosterone is high, would are is so high, would are performance me took testosterone. Yeah. What would it do like grow beards or things . Well, what would happen is that you would if maybe we could do we could try this. You would. You probably beard you would probably grow a beard in first minutes. All in the first five minutes. All of sudden , it would be like of a sudden, it would be like the incredible hulk. It would of a sudden, it would be like the yeah. Iible hulk. It would of a sudden, it would be like the yeah. You hulk. It would of a sudden, it would be like the yeah. You hulk. It like d of a sudden, it would be like the yeah. You hulk. It like me be. Yeah. You wouldnt like me when angry all of a when im angry and all of a sudden everything i think youd start beating your chest. Unbearable. Youd be unbearable. That would that you . Would that scare you . No, ijust. Shed would that scare you . No, i just. Shed scare you. If we irritating if we were pumped full of testosterone , our pumped full of testosterone, our attention on you. Oh, attention would be on you. Oh, gosh, would be. Gosh, it would be. Know what . I would you know what . I would actually be pumping actually probably be pumping iron as pumping our chests. Iron as im pumping our chests. Yeah. Anyway , dont. Dont yeah. So, anyway, dont. Dont do it, kids. Do it, kids. Dont do it. Do it. Its not good. Thank you very much indeed. See you again. 7 20. Thank you very much. Right. Stay with us. In a moment, well be going through the papers. Well be talking about the business secretary, Kemi Badenoch. She says we have to china, to keep engaging with china, irrespective because to keep engaging with china, irre needive because to keep engaging with china, irre needive to because to keep engaging with china, irreneedive to reachecause to keep engaging with china, irre needive to reach net se to keep engaging with china, irre needive to reach net zero targets. What a lot of rubbish that in headune what a lot of rubbish that in headline making. Cant the mini we so we cant make the mini we cant make the mini in oxford unless the chinese are involved in now why dont you just in it. Now why dont you just say kemi, need their what do say kemi, we need their what do they what the chinese currency . Oh oh yen, yen. Oh oh yen, yen. We need their yen. Lots of we need their yen. Lots of yen. What need. I yen. Thats what we need. I mean, its completely. Why . They just bother with why did they just bother with this . Need reach net we need them to reach net zero. Why . Why . Why . We dont just need all the money that theyre going to give and invest in the country and all that sort of thing. Tell all the truth. We go to that story and lots more in headline makers the truth. We go to that story and lyyoure re in headline makers the truth. We go to that story and lyyoure watchingiline makers the truth. We go to that story and lyyoure watching gb makers the truth. We go to that story and lyyoure watching gb news. Rs next. Youre watching gb news. Gb news is the Fastest Growing news website , britains news channel. I thought you were doing the news website is about oh, of couise. It is. 634 and its tuesday, the 12th of september. Welcome to breakfast with eamonn and isabel. Were going to bring you up to date with some of the top stories this morning, beginning with the Parliamentary Researcher whos been arrested on suspicion of spying for china. Completely china. He claims hes completely innocent. Growing of a innocent. Fears are growing of a whole though, of whole network, though, of beijing. Informants beijing. Informants at westminster with both legal and illegal migration record highs, dissatisfaction with the governments handling of the issue is now at its highest level since before the brexit referendum , and as the referendum, and as the controversial Online Safety bill goes through its final stages. Reality tv stars are set to visit downing street to support the controversial bill. New regulations as. The controversial bill. New regulations as. And as always, regulations as. And as always, you can join in any of our discussions by emailing gb views, cbnnews. Com or you can tweet us at gb news. Lots of you already been in touch this morning . Sandra says, yes, i am very dissatisfied with the governments dealing with immigration, but labour will be no better. And phil says morning isabel and eamonn. Im fed up with weak leaders. Is there not a person there that is a person out there that is Strong Enough to lead this country . Country . Lets get into the newspapers. Joining us this morning, weve got dawn neesom and weve got fraser myers. So we say good morning to both of those. Dawn we go to you front page of the telegraph. And this dependence on china and says, can be badenoch. Why do we need china . Well its yeah its a weird way the telegraph does this obviously its following on from the weekend story about the spy alleged spy who worked as a researcher in westminster. But the telegraph have given it the net zero spin and im not quite sure if it works or not. But in any case, the story theyve done is basically we cannot afford to cut ties with china, even though they may or may not have spies in westminster because we need them to reach net zero. Okay we need them to reach net zero in this country while china are completely ignoring reaching net zero as they are literally building coal fired power stations as we speak. But the premise here basically is Kemi Badenoch speaking out and saying basically we keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer. So its a complete reverse ferret on what liz trusted. Well remember liz truss and her 49 days in office where she said china were the basically the spawn of satan. We shouldnt trust them now the theory is that we do need china. We need to talk to them, we need to be communicate with them. But thats not the american approach to things. America is approach to things. America is calling them out are not reliant on them, and theyre moving things like apple factories and whatever into india and taking them. Yes. No, absolutely. The problem is, and this is mentioned somewhere in this theres thousands of words in this particular story that is that try to find anything. Certainly a battery that isnt made in china so you can move the main factory. But most of the components, whether its apple or apple are made or not, apple batteries are made in most there is going in china. So most there is going to always be this reliance we cannot i of cannot ignore. And i sort of agree with cant ignore agree with it. We cant ignore china. I personally would china. And i personally would rather know what my enemies are up to rather than cut them out. But you not think that but do you not think that were all getting our knickers in about the semantics, in a twist about the semantics, the words that using to the words that were using to describe them . Why havent we hauled the ambassador to have hauled in the ambassador to have a this . Why arent we a word about this . Why arent we talking possible sanctions talking about possible sanctions for in seat for putting spies in our seat of democracy . We absolutely democracy . Why are we absolutely obsessed whether the obsessed with whether we use the word or an epoch word a threat or an epoch defining challenge . Its ridiculous. Well , these are the kind of well, these are the kind of things politicians get exercised about. I guess they will spend forever compiling new reports on exactly what words you use. But exactly what words you use. But i think the general gist of it is true. You know, we do. China is true. You know, we do. China is now such a vital part of the World Economy , you know, cutting World Economy, you know, cutting ties with them. Its not just about net zero. I mean, imagine what would do to peoples what that would do to peoples living standards. We rely fundamentally on on cheap goods that have their origins in china. And thats not necessarily the only thing im going to say about this. I totally get what youre saying. Yeah, but if we were sitting talking about saudi arabia, i would have contributors preaching to us about cant possibly have about we cant possibly have links country as immoral links with a country as immoral as that and a country that does this behind your back and that suddenly make saudi suddenly you want to make saudi arabia taboo. But everybodys arabia taboo. But everybodys cool why because cool with china. Why because theyre all frightened of china. There are third trading there are third biggest trading partner , and we are theyre like partner, and we are theyre like 75th biggest trading partner. We need them. They dont need us. Yeah, i think i think thats right. Think theres a you right. I think theres a you know, to know, realpolitik element to this. But, you know, somewhere like the fact like saudi arabia, we the fact is, we do do business with unsavoury regimes. Thats a fact of life, politics might like to sort of preen about not wanting to. I dont see that ending to. But i dont see that ending anytime soon. So reality, i think politicians are a bit short sighted. You know, why Say Something about it . We need them to be able hit our net zero able to hit our net zero targets, not always targets, which is not always that an angle. Why not that popular an angle. Why not say need keep talking to say we need to keep talking to them . Because theyre talking to russia were russia or, you know, were helping peace in helping to maintain peace in europe talking to china. That europe by talking to china. That might wash a bit better with the british. But thats thats why i think this is a weird take on it. Isabel linking it to zero, isabel linking it to net zero, which in this country isnt a popular thing in any well popular thing in any case. Well theres so more going theres so much more going on than zero. Than the net zero. This is a really okay. This is a really disturbing story, fraser. This is a front page of the times today. Is a front page of the times today. Nearly a third of female today. Nearly a third of female surgeons within the nhs have been sexually assaulted. It makes a headline from page. So this comes off the back of a very large survey carried out by the gmc or sponsored by the gmc i a a huge amount of reports of sexism ranging from what might seem like the small incidents to the most incredibly serious. So so it looks as if theres kind of a toxic culture within surgery, i should say. I think the headline perhaps overstates the headline perhaps overstates the case. Its talking about about things like sexual banter and things like that. There are and things like that. There are a lot of what feeds into this. Theyre also talking about 11 rapes. Thats absolutely those things are unacceptable in the workplace. And its completely wrong anywhere or anywhere its anywhere or anywhere or its totally, you totally totally, you know, totally unprofessional but unprofessional and wrong. But you know, i think the headline implies a level of sort of criminal activity that is perhaps not there in the actual figures, but still a very serious problem. Is this the same survey . Fraser thats saying that so many more new doctors are just simply to going go abroad for better pay and better conditions i thats a thats a Different Survey in a different paper, but thatis survey in a different paper, but that is also so clearly a problem. You know, many people who graduate in the uk , they see who graduate in the uk, they see the nhs, they see the amount of work they have to do. They see the relatively low pay. And i think, well, why not go to australia . Why not go . Australia . Why not go . The thing is with this story, its the story in the guardian. Its front page of the guardian andifs its front page of the guardian and its typical guardian fare and its typical guardian fare andifs and its typical guardian fare and its nhs in crisis park. God knows were up to. I think knows what were up to. I think i feel as a journalist on National Newspapers for 40 years i been writing nhs in i feel ive been writing nhs in crisis almost all of crisis stories for almost all of that this our 60 that time, but this is our 60 of those young medics of those trainee young medics who are training the of who are training at the cost of the nhs , the average age of 20, the nhs, the average age of 20, theyre not satisfied and not at all satisfied. Prospect of all satisfied. The prospect of working for the nhs the working for the nhs well, the immediate are immediate question is why are you into it in the first you going into it in the first place . Youve just started your training. Youre saying, im not satisfied. Well, dont go into it place. It in the first place. No, no, no, no, no. You no, no, no, no, no, no. You no, no, no, no, no, no. Youre and youre youre young and youre idealistic. Want to change idealistic. You want to change the you do good. The world. You want to do good. And youre faced with and then youre faced with people who know the price of everything and the value of nothing. I agree with that. And i no, i agree with that. And i agree needs reforming. But i agree it needs reforming. But this very start of it. This is the very start of it. And we are paying to train these people no. People who have no. Well, i think thats an issue. I think if we are paying for these people to go through medical school, they should do a certain for certain amount of service for the because so many of these the nhs because so many of these wonderful, talented, british the nhs because so many of these wonder bestalented, british the nhs because so many of these wonder best kind ed, british the nhs because so many of these wonder best kind of british the nhs because so many of these wonder best kind of medical trained best kind of medical training anywhere training you can get anywhere are to places like are going off to places like australia never paying back australia and never paying back that loan. Then the that loan. And then the australians the benefit of australians get the benefit of that training and its that wonderful training and its a loss but if they a huge loss for us. But if they were indentured, if they were indentured, sign indentured, they had to sign a contract say, we have to contract and say, we have to work for the nhs for seven years, dont see why that years, i dont see why that isnt i think we all isnt norm well, i think we all agreed that. Agreed on that. Think they should do i think they should do because through all this because to go through all this training starting off with training and starting off with that attitude, well, a bit that attitude, well, its a bit of rubbish. Dont want to work of rubbish. I dont want to work for then im going to for it and then im going to australia as soon as i finish my training. Well im sorry. Always thought i would so i always thought i would like a doctor. Like to have been a doctor. I have to have i would have loved to have been a doctor too. But im not smart enough. I never was smart enough never thought i was smart enough really do and i realise really to do it. And i realise now, funnily enough, because ive done so many. I do. Ive done so many. Yeah, i do. I get so many consultations with so many people about whats wrong you know wrong with me. And you know what . Knows what . Nobody knows. Nobody knows. Nobody knows. And its not joined up. Well, actually, theres a story. Maybe we can find it later on for one of the later paper about a woman who paper reviews about a woman who had a problem with her child. And went to some ridiculous and she went to some ridiculous number 35 number of appointments, like 35 different and nobody number of appointments, like 35 differe do and nobody number of appointments, like 35 differedo and and nobody number of appointments, like 35 differe do and then nobody number of appointments, like 35 differe do and then she ody number of appointments, like 35 differe do and then she went could do it. And then she went to chatgpt. In all the to chatgpt. I typed in all the different diagnoses and the bloom, and i came with the bloom, and i came up with the diagnosis. You should diagnosis. So maybe you should try scary. Try that. Amy thats scary. No, dont. Dont ever google whats wrong with you . No chatgpt not a idea. Chatgpt not a good idea. Doctor. The doctor. A better doctor. The doctor. Google consultant of doctor. Google. Google. Ive just not got a mental image of doctor looming image of doctor eggman looming over me and, you know, id be very good to have a lovely bedside manner. Very good to have a lovely beds thinkanner. Very good to have a lovely beds think itner. Very good to have a lovely beds think it all went wrong i think it all went wrong when they the white coats away. I actually think a white coat might. Stethoscope, i think would be. I think you need to look authoritative. Genuinely do. Authoritative. I genuinely do. I think its ridiculous that people in and they wear people come in and they wear a bin liner. I think nurses should still wear hats. I thought a wear hats. I thought that was a lovely look, so lovely look, matron. So fetching. Dont start. Dont start. Would you wear a hat in a chip shop and things . Why wouldnt you . Chip shop and things . When ouldnt you . Chip shop and things . When youret you . Chip shop and things . When youre opening up someones stomach, a lady wears one. Yes. Yes. Always yes. I always it yes. Always it funny when i always find it funny when you see doctors or surgeons being interviewed television being interviewed on television. Always to have their. They always have to have their stethoscope on. Yeah, everyone else has their job title else just has their job title scrubs in their scrubs. Which is clearly really yeah. Which is clearly really unhygienic. Unhygienic. You wearing your why are you wearing your scarf in Television Studio . Scarf in a Television Studio . Please get into please get changed into sunday home and its sunday morning at home and its your sunday morning at home and its youtheyre wearing their full theyre wearing their full scrubs im a scrubs with a stethoscope. Im a doctor. Worse is doctor. I think worse is politicians that walk into hospital wards with their sleeves rolled up. To do that, they have to do that, apparently, and have apparently, and they have to tuck their shirt. Dont have to do that you dont have to do that when you visit a hospital, but we dont up patients and we dont go up to patients and things in the way that they do. But i do i go into hospital, people like people immediately, im like healing, bed ridden, healing, healing the bed ridden, whatever. Youre a super spreader. I just. Spreader. Yeah i just. I just. Want to well, i just. People want to be me and they think be touched by me and they think theyre be healed. Theyre going to be healed. Yeah, and youre killing them. I would tell you the story of them. Grim ld tell you the story of them. Grim reaper. ou the story of the grim reaper. Did i ever tell you the story about ruth awaab ishak in the hospital . Oh, yeah. You were chatting up the nurses . I wasnt chatting. I wasnt chatting. There was a queue outside for people meet me. People to meet me. Right. Thats right. Thats right. Then she went ballistic and then she went ballistic and went. That anyway, i was and she went. That anyway, i was just the afflicted. Just seeing the afflicted. Are we the break . We going to the break . I dont know. Oh yes, we are going to a break, mary. No, im not cheery. What are we going to be doing after were going to be after that . Were going to be talking to the government about the safety which the Online Safety bill, which is actually interesting. The Online Safety bill, which is act|theyve interesting. The Online Safety bill, which is act|theyve got nteresting. The Online Safety bill, which is act|theyve got ntwhole g. The Online Safety bill, which is act|theyve got ntwhole bunch of theyve got a whole bunch of razzmatazz celebrities its 648. These are your headunes. Its 648. These are your headlines. Disposable vapes are headlines. Disposable vapes are to be banned in england in a bid to be banned in england in a bid to stop children becoming addicted to them. Health addicted to them. Health ministers say bright packaging and sweet flavours are behind an increasing number of young vapers. Vapers. The first wilko shops are going to close today as the dramatic collapse of the long running high street chain unfolds. The retailer will shut unfolds. The retailer will shut the first of 24. All 400 shops across the country as 12,500 people are made redundant. It people are made redundant. It the gmb union has backed our call to not kill cash. They say call to not kill cash. 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Police appealing for police are appealing for information after officers were called to the home of the child in kingsley, following reports that she had disappeared. Well, that she had disappeared. Well, lets cross now to the secretary of state for science, Michelle Donelan, who joins us live from westminster. A very good morning to you , secretary of state. I to you, secretary of state. I want to start by talking to you. Good morning. About our top good morning. About our top story. All eyes on westminster and concerns around security, particularly in relation to chinese spies. Your cabinet colleague Kemi Badenoch says that we need china in order to hit our net zero. So ambitions. Do you agree with that . Look you do you agree with that . Look you know, china presents a challenge both to our National Security, but also to our values. And so our approach therefore needs to be one of engagement , needs to be one of engagement, but also one of robustness. And thats certainly the approach thats certainly the approach that weve been taking. I think what were saying is that we cant just be naive. We cant cant just be naive. We cant put our head in the sand and wish china away. They are the second largest economy. They second largest economy. They have a fifth of the worlds entire population. And when it comes to climate change, theyre the biggest producer and emitter of carbon dioxide. So we do have to take china seriously. And to take china seriously. And thats the approach that weve been taking. Evidence. Do you have given can you give me some evidence of where we have acted robustly . Other than these strong words being used at the g20 . Its not exactly going to have china quaking in their boots. Why havent we summoned the ambassador, for example . Why arent we talking about sanctions . Mean, idea sanctions . I mean, the very idea that even be and that there could even be and i quote, a network of beijing informants in westminster is outrageous. Well lets go outrageous. Well lets go through some of the things that weve done in our approach. So, for instance, ice, weve stripped out huawei in the 5g network. We banned tiktok on government devices. Weve established a procurement bill which helps us here. Weve had a National Security act, which gives us more control over our industry. Weve cracked down on Chinese Investment in our Nuclear Sector and our semiconductor laws. We didnt meet with china at a top level for many years from 2018, i believe it is until last week. Were in line with our five eyes, if not more forthright in our approach. But as i said, it our approach. But as i said, it would be very naive to just pretend that china didnt exist and it wouldnt be in the interests of british, british industry, british jobs tackling climate change. The list goes on. Colleagues within the conservative party feel as though theres been an attempt within westminster to pretend that the spies dont exist. Why were only learning about this in september when this in August September when this happened back in march, and Lindsay Hoyle saying this is because an issue of because its an issue of National Security, we have a right know this, dont we . When it comes to National Security . There is Sensitive Information does have to be released at the appropriate time, especially when live investigations are undergoing. But do you think that mps shouldnt be allowed to discuss the details of this case in the commons . Commons . I think that the speaker of the house has has made a statement on this because this is a live investigation and we do have to recognise that fact that and today you want to talk about the Online Safety bill. I know youve got a whole host of guests arriving at downing street and of course, weve spoken to George Harrison on this very program, a bit of a trailblazer there in relation to the changes shes managed to make to the legislation. Tell us about meeting today. About the meeting today. Yes. What were doing is were gathering a load of people that are in the public eye that have experienced themselves or their family have or their loved ones online abuse. And they , ones online abuse. And they, too, want to talk about and also raise the profile of this groundbreaking piece of legislation and what this piece of legislation is going to do is its going to make the uk the safest place in the world to be online. Thats quite staggering, not just for children, but for adults too, because we are making sure that illegal content has got rid of as part of our triple shield. The second shield is making sure that the platforms actually enforce their terms and conditions. So you know what youre going to get when you sign up to one of these platforms and they cant treat different groups differently. And thirdly, that were empowering more empowering adults to have more control over content they control over the content they see. When it comes to see. But when it comes to children, parents across the country can be reassured that actually we are taking a zero tolerance approach , which tolerance approach, which secretary of state. Secretary of state. Thank you very much indeed. Michelle donelan is the secretary for innovation , secretary for innovation, science and technology , talking science and technology, talking to us live there from westminster. Appreciate your time. Thank you. Back here in the studio, weve got fraser and weve got dawn. What do you think about what shes saying there, fraser either on china or onune there, fraser either on china or Online Safety . I find it very chilling to hear the words that britain is going to be the safest place to be online. I imagine. Wheres be online. I imagine. Wheres currently the safest place to be onune . Currently the safest place to be online . Probably north korea or china. This is a bill for quite an extreme amount of online censorship and everything thats already illegal in the real world is also illegal online. I mean, people are i think theres around nine people are arrested every single day already for what they say on the internet. Its not clear why we need new laws. We should probably be repealing the existing laws that we have that are actually, you know , quite serious, quite know, quite serious, quite a threat to free speech. So yeah, it worries me deeply. This onune it worries me deeply. This Online Safety i the one thing i do think is that platforms should be more responsible for enforcing regulations themselves because , you know, they say we because, you know, they say we will protect your privacy, etcetera, etcetera. And we know that doesnt happen. And i think i mean, isabel, youre a mum. I think certainly with youngsters concerned , i mean, platforms are concerned, i mean, platforms are very, very lax about who they allow to do what. I think thats. But i agree with fraser. I think the censorship element makes me slightly twitchy, but i think platforms being made to be responsible all for looking after certain youngsters online. Its become a huge piece its become such a huge piece of theres so much of legislation. Theres so much that falls under i mean, the that falls under it. I mean, the nspcc called landmark nspcc has called it a landmark piece legislation and they piece of legislation and they praise a of work thats praise a lot of the work thats gone into it. But then theres all these concerns around ending encryption that means encryption and what that means in that increase in terms of will that increase hacking, increase hacking, will that increase whats called snoopers whats called the snoopers charter . Because arguably people could read whatsapp could then read Whatsapp Messages implications messages has implications for all us. All of us. Exactly. So firms like whatsapp and signal who run these of messaging apps, these kind of messaging apps, they say, you the they say, well, you know, the government essentially to government essentially wants to have to look at our have their way in to look at our messages and they say, well, if we backdoor for the we create a backdoor for the good guys, were assuming, even if you assume government is if you assume the government is good, not always good. Good, its not always good. Actually if we create a actually but if we create a backdoor good guys, that backdoor for the good guys, that creates the bad creates a backdoor for the bad guys isit creates a backdoor for the bad guys is it going to make guys too. So is it going to make us safer certainly not us safer online . Certainly not in that respect. It exposes us to many dangers. Who fraser for the moment. Fraser dont for the moment. Thank very much indeed. Thank you very much indeed. Chilling just a chill went down my spine. I thought the idea of anybody reading isabels whatsapp to you, what Whatsapp Message to you, what they were, find out what they would find out. Thank you very much indeed. Were going to go much indeed. Were going to go to the weather now. Alex burkill with that. With that. Looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers, proud up. Boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Good morning for many, theres a bit of a cooler feel around at the moment with some rain across parts of england in particular and also the risk of a Little Thunder later, taking a look first thing and yes, a cloudy, wet start across this central slice of england into southwest england as well through the morning. Some of that rain across parts of lincolnshire anglia lincolnshire into east anglia could be quite persistent and heavy times. Meanwhile, in heavy at times. Meanwhile, in the southeast high humidity heavy at times. Meanwhile, in the allow1east high humidity heavy at times. Meanwhile, in the allow forst high humidity heavy at times. Meanwhile, in the allow for somejh humidity heavy at times. Meanwhile, in the allow for some heavy, idity could allow for some heavy, perhaps even thundery downpours to develop as we go into the afternoon whilst across scotland, Northern Ireland and wales. A brighter picture, just a of showers, though a scattering of showers, though most avoiding these most places avoiding these highs lower recently , but could lower than recently, but could get to around 24 or 25 celsius in the south east through the end of the day, were to going continue see a quite cloudy, continue to see a quite cloudy, wet picture across parts of the southeast. That rain will gradually as we go gradually clear away as we go through the night. Otherwise quite deal of clear skies quite a good deal of clear skies and slack flow under this and a slack flow under this slack flow. Temperatures are going a of a dip. A going to take a bit of a dip. A real contrast to last week. Some real contrast to last week. Some places parts of scotland places across parts of scotland could get close to freezing, perhaps a touch of grass, frost, maybe localised air maybe even a localised air frost, first on frost, perhaps. First thing on wednesday then cloudy wednesday morning, then cloudy to off in the southeast. To start off in the southeast. Any clear away quite any rain will clear away quite quickly. Otherwise lot of dry, quickly. Otherwise a lot of dry, bright, sunny weather through a good of morning. But good chunk of the morning. But then wet and windy then things turn wet and windy from northwest as we into from the northwest as we go into the due to a deep area the afternoon due to a deep area of low pressure thats going to arrive later. Quite a cloudy picture to recent picture compared to some recent days down days and temperatures down a couple of degrees and feeling cooler the winds as looks cooler in the winds as looks like things are heating up. Like things are heating up. Boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Of weather on. Gb news. Thank you for your views so far. This morning. Lots of them coming in. John says labours answer to solving the Immigration Crisis is to process them faster and to open up safe routes, which Everybody Knows many more will come. And the question i would labour is question i would ask labour is where they going to house where are they going to house them if they dont want to put them if they dont want to put them on barges and in hotels . Them on barges and in hotels . Weve got Justin Madders from the party coming on in the labour party coming on in just a moment. So well put that question him. Question to him. Cant wait. Nine. Question to him. Heresvait. Nine. Question to him. Heres something ne. Question to him. Heres something much more important. Yeah, right. Did you realise, you know, when you get sort of happy hours and pubs and things like that, i love a happy houn things like that, i love a happy hour. Im sure you do. With the pnces hour. Im sure you do. With the prices less. Well, actually prices are less. Well, actually at peak times in bobs youre charged more. Right. So. So that charged more. Right. So. So that tends to be that if youre coming out of work or whatever, the prices will be higher than they would be like at 3 00 in they would be like at 3 00 in the afternoon. Sales, furniture sales, youre just them youre actually just buying them at price apart from at an inflated price apart from dunng at an inflated price apart from during sales. I didnt know during the sales. I didnt know that. A scam. Yeah. That. Its a scam. Yeah. Outrageous scam. Absolutely outrageous. Absolutely outrageous. Thoughts. Us. Your thoughts. Us. Your thoughts. Anyway, were going to take the break at at 7 00 and were going have lots more you going to have lots more from you right this. We dont go. Right after this. We dont go. There is no break, apparently. Whats all new . Its all different. So there is no break. It is nice. 7 00. Good morning. Tuesday the 12th of september. Youre watching breakfast and gb news with eamonn isabel. News with eamonn and isabel. Heres whats leading the news the news this morning. The Parliamentary Researcher arrested suspicion spying arrested on suspicion of spying for china claims hes completely innocent as fears grow of a whole network of beijing informants in westminster with net migration real fears here that this Parliamentary Researcher whos been arrested may only be the first of several people who could potentially be working for the Chinese State in this building behind me. And also anger among a lot of mps is that they were not told about this arrest back in march and only found out about it in the sunday papers with net migration and illegal crossings at record highs, dissatisfaction with the governments handling of immigration control is now at its highest level since before before brexit. Labours deputy leader, Angela Rayner has branded the governments so called levelling up policy as a sham and a scam. Well be speaking to her minister in the next few minutes. Levelling up. Levelling up. Why do you think it works out . Do you think it exists . Do you think its working . What are think its working . What are you . What efforts . What honest efforts are being made in the levelling up process . So if youre north, south mean we talk about levelling up. But suppose everybodys got to level up with london. I suppose its london if thats possible. Thats possible. When were this huge metro. This. Yeah, well, it doesnt matter if you live in portsmouth. It doesnt matter if you live in norwich, it doesnt matter if you live in leeds, wherever, or carlisle are you being levelled up or is it all just london, london, london as far as you think . Well, what we can do is level up the weather and get a proper forecast for all of those places mentioned by eamonn with alex burkill. Good morning. A bit of rain around today and will around today and it will feel cooler of late too. Ill cooler than of late too. Ill have details later. Have more details later. Thank you. Hail, rain or snow thank you. Hail, rain or snow 7 thank you. Hail, rain or snow . Paul coyte will be here with the sport always 150th anniversary game between england and scotland which should be a friendly although its never going to be very friendly between the two old enemies and also theres a world cup winner whos failed a drugs test. Could be the end of and it could be the end of his career. Okay, my friend, keep us posted as always. Share with you have to well share with you have to say gb views a gbnews. Com or you can tweet us at. Can tweet us at. Gb news. Our top story this morning, questions have been raised over the uks china policy after a british Parliamentary Research was arrested on suspicion of spying for them. Spying for them. This comes as the business secretary can be badenoch claims we cannot afford to cut ties with china and insisted that a row over spying should not result in a breaking of ties with beijing. Rishi sunak has told the house of commons that the sanctity of westminster must be protected following these events with the Parliamentary Researcher denied , saying all researcher denied, saying all allegations. Allegations. Well, our Political Correspondent Catherine Forster is in westminster for us with all the developments. And this is a story that just keeps growing and growing, is a story that just keeps growing and growing , catherine. Growing and growing, catherine. Yes , yes, indeed. Real yes, yes, indeed. Real concern now amongst conservative mps and certain security sources, too, that there may in fact be other people working in that building behind me , that building behind me, ostensibly on behalf of mps and the governments who are actually working for the Chinese State. And of course, if that turns out to be the case, this man at the moment that was arrested in march hasnt been charged as yet, its worth saying, but it wouldnt be the first time that china has gone about interfering in our affairs. Lets have a look. The affairs. Lets have a look. The idea that china may have recruited a British National to work as a spy may come as a shock , but its not entirely shock, but its not entirely a new thing. New thing. Back in 2023, journalists were expelled from the uk for allegedly working as chinese agents while posing for one of the countrys press agencies. The countrys press agencies. Meanwhile, m15 issued a rare security alert last year, warning that this woman , warning that this woman, Christine Lee, is a spy. Lee rejected the accusation and in july this year launched legal action. Former minister sir Iain Duncan Smith claims that ministerial cars may well have been tracked by the Chinese Government and uk ministers have been banned from using tiktok , a been banned from using tiktok, a social media platform being run by a Chinese Company and was deemed a risk to security. But deemed a risk to security. But its not only china that poses a challenge in the human intestine. Science wars in march last yean. Science wars in march last year, the uk, together with the us and other allies, exposed historic cyber hacking by Russias Federal Security Service, which replaced the kgb. Meanwhile, back in february , a. Meanwhile, back in february, a British Embassy Security Guard was jailed for spying for russia. So the government continuing to insist that china is a challenge not wanting to deem it a threat, despite plenty of evidence, some would say that, in fact, it is a threat. In fact, it is a threat. Now, the deputy Prime Minister Oliver Dowden, in the house of commons yesterday did say that there was a strong case. He thought, for putting china on an enhanced tier of what they call the foreign influence registration scheme. Influence registration scheme. If they go ahead and do that, that would mean that china was designate and a potential risk to uk, uk safety and interests and what it would mean would be that anybody working for the Chinese Government or working for chinese owned state companies would have to declare their that interest and would have to say specifically what they were doing. The consequence of not doing that could potentially be five years in jail. So we will wait to see if that happens. But of course, the government in the meantime, people like the trade secretary, Kemi Badenoch, yesterday say Michelle Donelan the science secretary, just on this program, a little bit earlier, stressed ing our economic ties with china. Its the worlds second biggest economy. We do a huge amount of business with them. Also, theyve invested vast amounts of money in british companies, in infrastructure. Companies, in infrastructure. For now. Sure, were rowing back on that a little bit now. But on that a little bit now. But the fact is simply that china is the fact is simply that china is the worlds second superpower and we cannot not afford to cut links. And that wouldnt be possible even if we wanted to. Now, weve got lots of things that britain is unhappy about in terms of china, the treatment of the uighur muslim limbs, their behaviour in hong kong , the behaviour in hong kong, the noises theyre making about out taiwan, and also of course, covid. We know it came from china. We perhaps will never know whether it did in fact come out of a wet market or whether it came out of a laboratory. But the cold, hard truth is that china is too big and too powerful and too influential for us to have as much influence as we like. And we can talk tough. But the reality is that we will have to continue to do business with them. With them. Speaking of talking tough , speaking of talking tough, catherine, weve just heard from the office for National Statistics about the latest unemployment figures and the government will have a bit of explaining to do. Its risen again for the second month in a row. It was 4. 2 last month. Its now gone up to 4. 3 in the three months to july. Bad news three months to july. Bad news for them. For them. Yes, bad news for the government. Of course, we are government. Of course, we are now probably a year, maybe a little bit less, maybe a little bit more from the next general election. The government to have any chance of winning at all. And the bookies say theyre very, very small chance at the moment. But to have any chance, moment. But to have any chance, they really need to turn the economy around. They need to economy around. They need to show results and quickly now, okay, inflation is coming down a little bit. Its still very high. Boy, its were not costs are not falling. Theyre just rising less fast. And, you know, rising less fast. And, you know, the economy is growing slightly, okay. Its turned out with those revised figures from the ons in the last week or two that were actually on a par and even better in terms of coming out of the pandemic than many of our neighbours. But unless people feel better off, you know, why would they vote for the government thats been in power for 13 years . So the fact that the employment figures seem to be heading in the wrong direction , yes, the government direction, yes, the government is going to have some explaining direction, yes, the government is dong to have some explaining direction, yes, the government is dong t itsve some explaining direction, yes, the government is dong t its morene explaining direction, yes, the government is dong t its more bad xplaining direction, yes, the government is dong t its more bad foraining direction, yes, the government is dong t its more bad for news to do and its more bad for news them at a time that basically they back to westminster they came back to westminster just ago. Weve had just over a week ago. Weve had the crisis. Weve the concrete crisis. Weve had prisoners escaping. You know, prisoners escaping. You know, weve now got this row with a possible chinese spy. So the government really needs some good news and good news at the moment. Seems to be very thin on the ground. Thanks, catherine. Okay. Thanks, catherine. Were hear the were going to hear from the opposition to justin opposition now. We go to Justin Madders. Appropriately enough, justin the shadow minister justin is the shadow minister for business, Employment Rights and up, and he joins and levelling up, and he joins us this morning from Ellesmere Port and just, justin, youre just probably hearing that breaking news coming in that the Unemployment Rate is edging up and the pace of wage growth is outstripping the rate of inflation as well. Be interested inflation as well. Be interested in how you interpret that. In how you interpret that. Well , look, i in how you interpret that. Well, look, i think we know the economys been struggling for some time, hasnt it . So i think weve all been fearing that unemployment was going to rise. We know that there are rise. We know that there are strong economic headwinds that have been troubling the economy for some time. Have been troubling the economy for sometime. But i think one for some time. But i think one of the things were very clear aboutis of the things were very clear about is the only way we are going to get out of this mess weve been in really for 13 years now. Weve weve stagnant growth is to actually turbo charge that and get us to be the highest Economic Growth in the g7. And that is going to be g7. And that is going to be a huge task. But that is the only way were going to get more money in peoples pockets, better job security and betterjob security and a thriving economy for everyone. I just want to know what your position be regarding position would be regarding china. And weve heard kemi china. And weve heard Kemi Badenoch talking about we cant afford not to suck up to china , afford not to suck up to china, basically. And do you think we can afford if theres a spine road going on to cut links with china or have you got to be economically sensible on this. Economically sensible on this. Well, look , i dont think you well, look, i dont think you should suck up to them or completely ignore them. You cant ignore them. Are you know, a massive part of this economy, whether we like it or not. Theres 140,000 Chinese Students here. We have £100 billion worth of trade. So we have to have of trade. So we have to have open dialogue with them. That doesnt mean that we should not be robust with them when its required, whether its on human rights abuses, whether its on security concerns. But weve also got to work with them on issues of global concern, such as climate change. So, you know, we challenge them have we challenge them when we have concerns. And but but to just concerns. And but but to just completely ignore them, i think would be would be the wrong move i so on this issue, then youre exactly the same the exactly the same as the government as on so many issues these days. Just yesterday, keir starmer saying he agrees starmer also saying he agrees with rishi sunak. Starmer also saying he agrees with rishi sunak. He would starmer also saying he agrees with rishi sunak. He would call with rishi sunak. He would call them not a threat. Them a challenge, not a threat. Well, i think that calling people weve got long a long standing and deep economic trading partnerships with calling them a threat is not a not even if they are constructive way to. Well, look , i think its right to say that there are concerns about security. Thats been very clear security. Thats been very clear from the news. Thats come out in the last 48 hours. We absolutely have to robust them a robust to challenge them over that. But but we cant ignore them. We have to continue deaung them. We have to continue dealing with them. Theyre going to be a big part of the 21st century. Theres no doubt about that. If we want to tackle climate change, we want to continue economy continue to see our economy grow. Have to deal with grow. We will have to deal with them. But that doesnt mean that we accept that we have to accept that, that some of the things that they do are are consistent with our values. I want to get your view. Your boss, Angela Rayner, and she says the governments levelling up programme, its a sham. Its up programme, its a sham. Its a scam. Do you see any evidence a scam. Do you see any evidence that people are trying sincerely and honestly to level up the country . Country . I see very, very little evidence of that at look levelling up, i think we can all see now with something that was was dreamed up ahead of the 2019 general election. And it sounds general election. And it sounds like a good idea in theory. Its absolutely desperately needed. But what we have seen since then is a series of competitions and bidding rounds where parts of the country have been pitted against one another to get scraps of government cash , scraps of government cash, which, by the way, is a drop in the ocean compared to what theyve taken away from local councils over recent years. Its a gimmick. Councils over recent years. Its a gimmick. Its got no substance to it. We absolutely agree that the whole country should be levelled up to the same same standards. Levelled up to the same same standards. But i think the way that the government go about it is dripping with insincerity. One a minute. Youre talking to us from Ellesmere Port, where weve had this wonderful vauxhall news in the last few days. Thats job creation. Were seeing job creation in oxford as well. Sorts of parts of the well. All sorts of parts of the country outside london under country outside of london under this government are beginning to creep back towards growth. Creep back towards growth. Well, i mean , we have had a well, i mean, we have had a car plant here for nearly 60 years now. So it it probably wouldnt be right just to put all the credit at the governments door for that. But look, were very proud of the electric vehicles that we are now producing at the plant. We want to be building more of them. But we absolutely are aware that the car industry in the uk is on a precipice and we need to get more gigafactories in the uk and we need to sort out our rules of origin and deal with the eu. There are lots of warning signs that the uk car Industry Needs far, far greater Strategic Direction from the government and at the moment im afraid were not getting enough of that. Definitely we as Angela Rayner says, you think levelling up good intentions is what were all wanting to hear , but a sham all wanting to hear, but a sham and a scam. Absolutely. Well, and a scam. Absolutely. Well, i think if you if you ask anyone who is in part of the country thatis who is in part of the country that is supposed to be part of this levelling up policy , this levelling up policy, whether actually they feel levelled up, whether they feel that theyve got more money in their pocket, whether theyve got more opportunities, whether they see their high streets thriving and bustling. Think thriving and bustling. I think most will see that after most people will see that after 13 tory government that 13 years of tory government that things actually things are are actually going backwards than forwards backwards rather than forwards and levelling up is simply and that levelling up is simply and that levelling up is simply a cheap slogan with no substance on the high street. Thats whole other thats a whole other question. Justin, got to leave it there. Justin madders the it there. Justin madders is the shadow minister for Business Employment and levelling Employment Rights and levelling up. Hes speaking us from up. Hes speaking to us from ellesmere this morning. Ellesmere port this morning. Thank very indeed for thank you very much indeed for your time. Right right. The time your time. Right right. The time is now. A quarter past seven. Time to go through the latest sports news, 7 00 tonight. The coverage begins of the enemy scotland against england at hampden park. Absolutely tonight, they call it a friendly i yeah, its not going to be very friendly, is it . I dont think its going to be very friendly atmosphere. I was looking back on some of the games, theres been 115 games games, so theres been 115 games over the years going back to 1872, two of the big ones back in 1967. The result was in april 1967. The result was england this is at wembley, england two. This is at wembley, england, three. England, two, scotland three. But scotland, if you can think of the year that it was and when it was well, denis would it was well, denis law would have there. Oh yeah, yeah. Have been there. Oh yeah, yeah. April 67th. But who would won the world cup . Just a few months before so therefore for before that. So therefore for scotland treated it like a heavyweight boxing competition where they can come back and say therefore we are now the world champions because beat them. Champions because we beat them. The home i miss the home internationals , so do i. And you internationals, so do i. And you know, it was thing for know, it was a big thing for whoever your whether its whoever your team, whether its wales, scotland, wales, whether its scotland, england, ireland, england, Northern Ireland, whatever , here. And i miss that whatever, here. And i miss that rivalry. But obviously the sponsors have deemed theres not enough money in it and we should go and play. The International Team should play friendlies elsewhere and whatever. But my goodness when you go back goodness me, when you go back and youre wearing my appetite and youre wearing my appetite and your youre looking at the amazing scotland amazing players that scotland would had the billy would have had the billy bremners, eddie greys, bremners, the eddie greys, jemmy johnson , you know, all the jemmy johnson, you know, all the cream of the people who they were cultivating at rangers and celtic and leeds and you think of the league side of Manchester United and there were so many great scottish players and obviously things have changed over the years, although. Are turning again so things are turning again and looking very and scotland are looking very good. You know, i dont know how theyre looking good because when you look the premier when you look at the premier league teams, theyre taking players and and players from peru and chile and romania portugal and romania and portugal and wherever. Youre not getting the home grown players, theyre not getting the chance or theyre turning away from playing professional football. Sure. Professional football. Sure. I mean, youve got your andy robertson, scott mctominay, of course, united. John course, playing at united. John mcginn. Kieran tierney so theres to more. Theres there seems to be more. Its like crop that are its like a new crop that are coming. I love this. I mean, i really do. Scott mctominay he cant, he cant mctominay but he cant, he cant hold man united. Hold a place at man united. Sure. Hasnt sure. You know, he hasnt got a place at man united. Theyre not being the chance in their being given the chance in their domestic leagues. True. Lets be thats true. But but lets be honest, theres a lot of club sides which changed over the sides which has changed over the years. Are probably better years. There are probably better than you than the national sides. You know, say. I mean, know, its fair to say. I mean, youve got great talent with england, but would england england, but how would england fare against Manchester City . I know say that because know we can say that because theyre all theyre foreign players, but all theyre foreign players, but all the going to be the same, its going to be terrific. Its the saturday, its old saturday its those old saturday games. And earlier and i mentioned that earlier there was only two live games that used to be that were on the tv used to be the cup final it was the the fa cup final and it was the england scotland game on the saturday that was why everybody talked so hopefully talked about it. So hopefully theres be theres going to be more interest you know, the interest today. You know, the other mean, other interesting thing, i mean, i whether this will i dont know whether this will be on you. This as well about about players who have about different players who have then allegiances then change allegiances because if young player, the if youre a young player, the chances are youre born one chances are youre born in one country and they play for another, chances are another, the chances are you probably and think, probably start out and think, now the chances of me now whats the chances of me playing england . Probably playing for england . Probably unlikely. I do have a scottish grandmother, therefore there grandmother, so therefore there i do that. And theres i could do that. And theres loads with elliott anderson, young , 20 loads with elliott anderson, young, 20 year old loads with elliott anderson, young , 20 year old newcastle young, 20 year old newcastle player is in england, player is born in england, grandmothers scottish. So he played at a young played for england at a young age then moved scotland and age, then moved to scotland and is now thinking theres a chance i can get to england now. So hes now left the camp, whereas hes now left the camp, whereas he was play well. He was going to play well. Jack charlton was the joe Jack Charlton was the master that. Joe Jack Charlton was the ma he that. Joe Jack Charlton was the ma he was,1at. Joe Jack Charlton was the ma he was, of. Joe Jack Charlton was the ma he was, of course he was he was, of course he was facing the republic of ireland. Yes everybody. To have, you you just have to have, you know, irish great, great know, an irish great, great grandparent or whatever. You grandparent or whatever. And you were in there. Yeah, yeah. There was that big declan who big roar about declan rice, who was had he had was another one who had he had played for ireland at junior level. Thats right. Thats right. Chose england, and then he chose england, but hes english. Because hes hes. Because hes grandparents. Yes. The grandparents. Yes yes. But the other youve matty cash other one, youve got matty cash , for poland because , who plays for poland because his grandparents are polish. And then other erling haaland, then the other erling haaland, i guess play england guess could play for england because born over here. Guess could play for england beceother born over here. Guess could play for england beceother one born over here. Guess could play for england beceother one isborn over here. Guess could play for england beceother one is evan ver here. Guess could play for england beceother one is evan ferguson. The other one is evan ferguson. Now, evan ferguson, who plays for brighton, i think hes very good. Terrific player good. Hes a terrific player and hes in ireland. Hes irish, born in ireland. Now, chances are, because now, the chances are, because hes mother is english or theres this is going the other way. Whereas thinking, well, maybe i could play for england. I cant see that happening because hes, i think a player like evan would be a superstar in ireland , you know, where hes in ireland, you know, where hes hardly get picked for england. I mean, as long as harry kanes there, hes not going to get picked exactly. Got to keep your you just got to keep your opfions you just got to keep your options situation. Options open in this situation. Really good. Some some really good. Some some really good. Will be a terrific but it will be a terrific game. It will a it will be it game. It will be a it will be it will be. Okay. Anything else you want to tell me about . Well, weve got Peter Shilton coming shilton to us coming up. Peter shilton to us about time. Im trying coming up. Peter shilton to us aqut time. Im trying coming up. Peter shilton to us abi believe time. Im trying coming up. Peter shilton to us abi believe he time. Im trying coming up. Peter shilton to us abi believe he must. Im trying coming up. Peter shilton to us abi believe he must have trying coming up. Peter shilton to us abi believe he must have played to i believe he must have played more england scotland games than anybody more england anybody else. More england games. And he played the games. And he played in the 100th anniversary game, which would years ago, would have been 50 years ago, which call the saint which they call the saint valentines which valentines day massacre, which was hampden and england was up at hampden and england won im hell be won 5 0. So im sure hell be happy about that. But happy to talk about that. But everybody, i mean, hate to say everybody, i mean, i hate to say this, but everybody lets this, guys, but everybody lets just raised their game just say, raised their game against england. Other home nations. The other home nations. I mean, england because mean, poor england because everybody to them. Everybody wanted to beat them. And, i think of and, you know, when i think of Northern Ireland, the derek, everybody Northern Ireland, the derek, everyand Northern Ireland best and a Northern Ireland shirt, you know, just just amazing. Anyway thats shirt, you know, just just amazi tv anyway thats shirt, you know, just just amazi tv coverageay thats shirt, you know, just just amazi tv coverage beginss shirt, you know, just just amazi tv coverage begins at thats tv coverage begins at 7 00 tonight it is on channel 4. Theres one more game there was nine three that was the biggest three was england biggest one. Three was england won nine and there was won nine three and there was a guy frank haffey. He was guy called frank haffey. He was the goalkeeper. Let nine the celtic goalkeeper. Let nine in england, which in against england, which means hes be forgiven. Hes never going to be forgiven. And even had this joke. And they even had this joke. They they whats they go, its they say, whats the time . They say, nearly ten past nearly let past happy because he nearly let ten in. It wasnt his fault. He had to go hiding and he had had to go into hiding and he had to move to australia. Oh god. So you dont. W you dont. His fault. It wasnt his fault. It wasnt his fault. It was the defence in front of him was terrible. Its like if the weathers bad today, going to bad today, were not going to blame birchall. Blame alex birchall. Feeling inside from that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Good morning. For many, theres a bit of a cooler feel around at the moment with some rain across parts of england in particular and also the risk of a Little Thunder later taking a look first thing and yes, a cloudy, wet start across this central slice of england into southwest england as well through the morning. Some of that rain across parts of lancashire into east anglia could be quite persistent and heavy at times. Meanwhile, in the humidity the far southeast, high humidity could some heavy, could allow for some heavy, perhaps thundery downpours could allow for some heavy, pedevelop thundery downpours could allow for some heavy, pe develop asthundery downpours could allow for some heavy, pe develop as we ndery downpours could allow for some heavy, pe develop as we go ry downpours could allow for some heavy, pe develop as we go into wnpours could allow for some heavy, pe develop as we go into the ours to develop as we go into the afternoon whilst across scotland, Northern Ireland and wales, a brighter just wales, a brighter picture, just a of showers though a scattering of showers though most these highs most places avoiding these highs lower than recently, but could get to around 24 or 25 celsius in the south east through the end of day , were going to end of the day, were going to continue to see quite cloudy, continue to see a quite cloudy, wet picture across parts of the south east. Will south east. That rain will gradually clear away as we go through the night. Otherwise quite deal of clear skies quite a good deal of clear skies and a slack flow under this slack flow. Temperatures are going a a dip, a going to take a bit of a dip, a real contrast to last some real contrast to last week. Some places across of scotland places across parts of scotland could close freezing, could get close to freezing, perhaps grass, frost, perhaps a touch of grass, frost, maybe even localised air maybe even a localised air frost, perhaps first thing on wednesday morning, then cloudy to in the southeast. To start off in the southeast. Any rain will clear away quite quickly otherwise of dry, quickly. Otherwise a lot of dry, bright , quickly. Otherwise a lot of dry, bright, sunny quickly. Otherwise a lot of dry, bright , sunny weather a bright, sunny weather through a good the morning. But good chunk of the morning. But then turn wet windy then things turn wet and windy from the northwest as we go into the afternoon a deep area the afternoon due to a deep area of low pressure thats going to arrive quite a cloudy arrive later, quite a cloudy picture to some recent arrive later, quite a cloudy pictu and to some recent arrive later, quite a cloudy pictu and temperatures� ne recent days and temperatures down a couple degrees and feeling couple of degrees and feeling cooler in the winds. Cooler in the winds. That warm feeling inside it from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news. Welcome back. Its 727. Weve been breaking those figures on unemployment this morning, up from. 4. 2 to 4. 3 for last from. 4. 2 to 4. 3 for last month. But there has been a wage growth. Its outstripped inflation and the chancellor has been speaking about that in the last few moments. He says its heartening to see the number of employees on payroll is still close to record highs and that our Unemployment Rate remain below international below many of our international peers. Trying to put a bit peers. Whos trying to put a bit of a gloss on what essentially peers. Whos trying to put a bit of bad. Oss on what essentially peers. Whos trying to put a bit of bad newsn what essentially peers. Whos trying to put a bit of bad news there. Essentially peers. Whos trying to put a bit of bad news there. Essywhen. Y peers. Whos trying to put a bit of bad news there. Essywhen it is bad news there. But when it comes to wage growth in restaurants and things, wage growth high, says, growth remains high, he says, partly reflecting one off payments to Public Sector workers. For wages to workers. But for real wages to grow sustainably, we stick grow sustainably, we must stick to our plan to halve inflation. But we are seeing wage growth at 7. 8. And we know that inflation is, what is it, around 6, Something Like that, 6. 5. So there is some good news in there. But unemployment has gone up again. Up again. Okay. So a group of mps say low achieving pupils should be banned from taking a student loan anyway anyway. And now theyre coming up with this bright idea and that they should have apprenticeships instead of what are termed mickey mouse degrees and this bright idea is coming from the new conservatives. Its a lobby Group Calling for the number of students on these courses to be cut. Have they got a point . Ah cut. Have they got a point . Ah mickey mouse degrees getting out of control on. Are you paying for them . Yeah. Yeah. Or is this actually cruel reduces education, crushes dreams . Is it no more than an dreams . Is it no more than an economic exercise . Economic exercise . Lets find out. Heres nick hillman, an nietzsche who joined us. Oh, leah, you dont look too happy. Whats wrong with you . Whats. Whats right . Whats wrong . Is this really annoying . Wrong . Is this really annoying . You, this whole these mickey mouse degrees . No mouse degrees . No what annoys me is that the headunes what annoys me is that the headlines about banning people from doing degrees. What this is from doing degrees. What this is aboutis from doing degrees. What this is about is making sure that our degrees stay high quality academic and we get people into to apprenticeships and technical qualifications. Weve known for more than two decades that weve got skills mismatches across our country. Employers are desperate to employ people locally and were talking about levelling up. Actually levelling up isnt just about investing in our town centres. Its investing in our local people, local businesses , local people, local businesses, so we can actually have healthy town centres around the country because weve got more money in them rather than all going to University Cities as im glad you said that, because i do think that makes sense. What youve said there. And its less an extreme sort of, although im looking at some of these degrees and the way i respect anyones right to study what they want and whatever, if theyre offered a hand embroidery at the university for creative thing do you a hand in it. What is it. What is it. Well its embroidery that you do by your hand as opposed to through a machine sewing machine and you need to get a degree in that. Well, i know thats the madness. I mean, its probably quite an artisan skill that, you know. Yeah. know. Yeah. But why but why is know. Yeah. But why is there yeah. Yeah. But why is there a in it . A degree in it . But anyway, nick hillman thinks nick, tell thinks its all mad. Nick, tell us. Youre the director for the Higher Education policy institute. Give view on institute. Give us your view on all this. All of this. Well, look, i welcome all interesting reports and leahs report is an interesting one, but one thing i find rather strange about it is it says that a whole load of people who currently are not good enough to go to university should stop going to university, and they should be doing apprentices ships instead. But if apprenticeships are so wonderful , wonderful , the internet, just , wonderful, the internet, just that its not that we didnt want to hear what he had to say or that we were gagging him there. But we have. We got him back. No, not got him back. And so , no, not got him back. And so, leah, basically, do you think the way this report that you put together, there are a lot of things here which i think are worthwhile. Theres a brewing worthwhile. Theres a brewing and distilling degree and there is a dairy herding degree. And distilling degree and there is a dairy herding degree. And, is a dairy herding degree. And, you know, for farming and things like that. So, i mean , some of like that. So, i mean, some of these we can see how these things are practical. Its, you know, i always go back to this mantra from blair educate location, education, education, an what the heck was that all about . About . But this is the this is the issue that she gone to the am i still there . Youre there. Youre there. Yes. Good. Okay. The issue weve good. Okay. The issue weve got, you know , ive worked in got, you know, ive worked in Higher Education, further education for 22 years before i became an mp and i was a lecturer when tony blair brought in this strap line. Education, education, education. What that actually did was cause the problems that weve got now. Because what happened is that government funding actually encouraged more people to go to university. So universities were very clever and colleges offering were very clever. What they did was they all went running for the money and invented lots of new different courses. Many were of very low quality and actually , as as nick quality and actually, as as nick has already said, you dont actually dont need to have and youve said you dont need to have a degree to do these kind of jobs. And actually what employers want are people to be actually you can still actually working. You can still get a degree apprenticeship and have and earn while have no debt and earn while youre learning as well. Thats what we want. We want to change policy to be able to divert people into those Higher Quality courses and work. Thats and while you thats the key. And while you learn so you actually see apprenticeships as still education. I think this has become a binary discussion that were all in education, were all agreed in education, that an apprenticeship isnt, which ridiculous. Its about which is ridiculous. Its about reframing the whole thing so that somebody who wants to be a beautician isnt made to feel like a second class. Well, wasnt it a problem, though, nick, that weve got your that universities your back now that universities so polytechnics became so that polytechnics became universities when they obviously werent universities they had a role and a justifiable role within society, but they were suddenly all upgraded. Suddenly all upgraded. Well, i dont particularly agree with that. I mean, in other countries they call these sort of institutions, universities. I dont really universities. I dont really mind that theyre called universities. And actually, most of them do still deliver a huge amount of vocational and technical. Education and most of technical. Education and most of those degree courses are regulated by the professional bodies for each sector. So one of the things i dont like about this report is it does seem to want to go back to a sort of sheep and goats binary type divide. And i think education divide. And i think education will route should be different. Educational routes should be open to open to everybody. But of course bad quality courses should not exist. They should be rooted out by the regulators and good quality apprenticeships should be thriving. But not every young person is ripe for an apprenticeship because not every young person knows what career they want to go into. Yet and youve got to know that because an apprenticeship is basically a job with some training and education attached to there a concern, to it is there a concern, though, that if do get rid though, that if they do get rid of these mickey mouse, so called degrees, of these degrees, that some of these universities just wont be able to balance the books that theyre frankly, just theyre actually, frankly, just a order fund some a cash cow in order to fund some of more Serious Research of the more Serious Research and, know, meaning full and, you know, meaning full degrees. And that to you, nick. Degrees. And that to you, nick. Well, actually, universities are already making making a deficit in many cases. And actually because tuition fees havent gone up very much in recent years, most universities make a loss on their home students, which is why theyre having to recruit so Many International students who pay them much higher fees. So yeah, so the problem with mickey mouse degrees is nobody likes mickey mouse degrees, but nobodys absolutely certain what a mickey mouse degree is. You know, as mouse degree is. You know, as the conversation between the two of you a moment ago on hand, embroidery showed actually we want a strong Creative Arts sector. Absolutely you know, nursing a low paid career. So nursing is a low paid career. So by some measures , nursing would by some measures, nursing would count as a mickey mouse degree. But it jolly well isnt. So the difficulty is not no one likes mickey degrees, but the mickey mouse degrees, but the problem can agree on problem is no one can agree on what are. What they are. You agree what they well, can you agree what they are, leah . It obvious to you are, leah . Is it obvious to you what they are . Well. Well, it is obvious. I mean, ive worked in the in the sector for a long time. You know, when we look at the figures, 40 of people who are studying or have studied at university do not go into high quality professional jobs. That is the role of university courses. Thats what they should courses. Thats what they should be doing. And theres no point be doing. And theres no point in costing the taxpayer billion of pounds per year. And the majority of Student Loans are never paid back. So weve got hundreds of billions of pounds of taxpayers money. Thats never going to see the light of day being repaid. But what the policies weve got at the moment are doing are incentivising people, staying in low paid jobs so they dont pay them back. And the jobs need, like nhs the jobs we do need, like nhs doctors, surgeons , engineers who doctors, surgeons, engineers who are highly paid, tend to pay back their their Student Loans more quickly. So actually what were doing is were penalising the people who are going to university to do the jobs we actually need and not not not diverting people into those jobs where university might be a nice thing to do for three years, but actually is the taxpayers job to pay actually is the taxpayers job to pay for our young people to do some nice things for three years before they go into a low paid job . Well, leah, we have to leave it there. Nick, thank you very much as well. I wish we had longer folks, and maybe were all a bit clearer and clearer as to what a mickey mouse degree is after all that. And do we after all of that. And do we need thank you thank need them . Thank you both. Thank you for a look at that one you both for a look at that one stand up comedy. Some of you know, though, comedians are the cleverest people youll ever meet. But why . Why do you need to do a degree and learning how to be funny. I object to the definition of a mickey mouse. I thought she was saying there that actually its people who up high earning who end up with high earning jobs, doesnt include jobs, but that doesnt include nurses else. They nurses or whatever else. They arent higher i dont think should be defined by the income. I should defined i think it should be defined by the it brings. Society or the value it brings. Society or whatever. That we can have whatever. Oh, that we can have so much more on that debate. But you know, someone learning how to be a comedian, theres nothing as as somebody nothing as unfunny as somebody whos funny and standing whos not funny and standing there saying, i know how to do this. You could try and teach me how to be a comedian all day long. Couldnt be long. I still couldnt be a comedian. Im funny unintentionally, never. Deliberately. Not. Youre not youre not. Youre not particularly good on the punchlines. Punchlines. No, im dreadful at the timing. Absolutely dreadful. No, im dreadful at the timbesidesolutely dreadful. No, im dreadful at the tim besides that, y dreadful. No, im dreadful at the tim besides that, you eadful. No, im dreadful at the tim besides that, you know, there besides that, you know, there we to come , experts we go. Still to come, experts are warning of an invasion of spiders, not just spiders , but spiders, not just spiders, but sex crazed spiders and spiders. Yeah, well , talking about yeah, well, talking about that, next, lets bring you up to date news wise. This is whats happening. Disposable vapes are to be bannedin disposable vapes are to be banned in england in a bid to stop children becoming addicted. Health ministers say bright packaging and sweet flavours are behind an increasing number of young vapers. Young vapers. The first wilko shops will close today as the dramatic collapse of the long running high street chain is unfolding. High street chain is unfolding. The retailer will shut the first 24 of nearly 400 shops across the uk as 12,500 people are being made redundant at one of britains largest trade unions is calling on the right to use cash to be enshrined in law. Cash to be enshrined in law. The gmb union is echoing the demand of our gb News Campaign to not kill cash, saying there are real and disturbing consequences to high street Bank Closures as five children who travelled from the uk to pakistan with sara sharifs father have been returned to her grandfather hours after being taken by police. Neighbours said dozens of officers raided the grandfather house where the children were staying. Ten year old sara was staying. Ten year old sara was found dead at her family home in woking in surrey, a day after her father and his partner left the uk. The uk. A woman has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a two Year Old Girl was found in a village pond in hampshire. Village pond in hampshire. Police are appealing for information after officers were called to the home of the child in kingsley , following reports in kingsley, following reports that the girl had disappeared. That the girl had disappeared. Welcome back. We are going through the papers taking a look at what is making the headlines. And were doing that this morning in the company of dawn neesom and myers. Welcome neesom and fraser myers. Welcome back of you. Dawn yes, back to both of you. Dawn yes, take us to richmond and newham. Why wouldnt you want to go to richmond . So this is these are in london. This is in london. This is in london. So, yeah, this is in london, the london boroughs of richmond and newham. And they are scrapping free residential parking permits for electric and hybnd parking permits for electric and hybrid cars and kirklees and West Yorkshire are also starting to charge this month and be careful because its going to spread everywhere, isnt it . Theyve basically theyve decided that basically theyre strapped for cash. These councils , they need make more councils, they need to make more money. Is a way of doing it. Theres not. Theres not enough electric cars for them to make any money. Yeah, they say well, yeah, well, they say its a good few hundred thousand pounds know, you know, pounds and we know, you know, birmingham has just gone Birmingham Council has just gone bankrupt. But bankrupt. So it is, it is. But then tell me, what is the incentive us to buy incentive for any of us to buy an electric car . Oh, i mean, youve got to the actual point of this story straight but that. Straight away, but exactly that. What is the point . It is like what is the point . Electric cars are very, very expensive. Okay you cant charge them even big cities like them up. Even in big cities like london, very hard to london, theyre very hard to find or find charging places or even where live tower hamlets, where i live in tower hamlets, which to newham, weve which is next to newham, weve got two electric car charging points theyre in a points near us and theyre in a bus so you have to drive bus gate. So you have to drive through a bus gate to get a £60 fine to electric car fine to get to the electric car charging point. And theyre always busy. So cant charge charging point. And theyre alway up. |sy. So cant charge charging point. And theyre alway up. Theyre cant charge charging point. And theyre alway up. Theyre veryant charge charging point. And theyre alway up. Theyre very expensive them up. Theyre very expensive and now you dont even get free parking. What is the point now . Well, i suppose fans of them would say theyre better for the planet. Yeah, but a lot better for me. No, exactly. No, exactly. Be better for the planet. But you know why am i paying a £60 fine through the. Exactly. E w exactly. People cant afford most most people cant afford to buy electric any to buy an electric car in any case. And dont drive because case. And i dont drive because i do live in london. Im lucky enough to have good public transport walk away. Transport and i can walk away. But rare. If you but thats very rare. If you live even remotely, live anywhere even remotely, sort like outskirts of sort of like on the outskirts of london, have good london, you dont have good pubuc london, you dont have good public transport. You do need a car. But electric cars are so expensive like expensive too, and things like this are just not going to encourage to do their bit encourage people to do their bit by saving planet, by buying by saving the planet, by buying them. They . That was them. Are they . I mean, that was them. Are they . I mean, that was the point of having the the whole point of having the free in the first place. Free parking in the first place. But the money. Makes but they need the money. Makes you this net you wonder how much of this net zero to green with the zero drive to green with the whole ulez thing as well as just about making money. It also makes you well, it also makes you wonder councils wonder how many more councils are be insolvent. I are going to be insolvent. I feel like this could be the big ongoing of the next year, ongoing story of the next year, especially up to an especially in the run up to an election. Think, you know, election. I think, you know, birmingham, council birmingham, the biggest council in just in europe. Absolutely. Its just the snowball effect. The sort of snowball effect. I mean, obviously theres a historic thing there the historic thing there with the pay l historic thing there with the pay i mean, you know, pay thing. But i mean, you know, its one. Other its not the only one. Other councils have already gone bust. So we go to the independent and fraser, youve got a quite a disturbing consequence and fraser, youve got a quite a disturbing you consequence and fraser, youve got a quite a disturbing you aresequence and fraser, youve got a quite a disturbing you are aquence and fraser, youve got a quite a disturbing you are a day|ce of whether you are are a day person or a night person, an evening person or a night owl. Yeah. Huge of over yeah. So this huge study of over 60,000 america to 60,000 women in america to assume the results apply similarly to men has found that if you are an evening person , if you are an evening person, then youre significantly more likely to develop diabetes. They they sort people into what they call chronotype. So what they call chronotype. So its an official thing whether youre an evening person or a morning person, what are you even accounting for . Im an evening person. Oh dear. Even despite how sprightly i look. Right im not a morning right now, im not a morning person. And they they looked at person. And they they looked at this and they said even accounting for all kinds of other lifestyle factors that that has a big impact on diabetes. And in some ways its not surprising because you not surprising because if you stay youre probably stay up late, youre probably more to be drinking. More likely to be drinking. You eat be, you eat less healthily, be, you know, if you have less move less , you essentially, youre probably, i dont know , people probably, i dont know, people who get up early probably have a better sense of routine plan things a bit better, probably plan their meals and have a better control over their diet. So it kind of makes sense. Are you an early bird or a night owl . I am. Im a complete lark. I can get up at 3 00 every morning. So its a good job. Good job. Dawn isnt it . Yeah, yeah. Perfect. Oh, hey, mini, you. Perfect. Oh, hey, mini, you. What are you. Well we dont know. Oddly enough, isabel, we. We live in a in a twilight zone. We neither one nor the other somewhere. And autumn approaches right. And autumn approaches right. This is the story of the day for right . For me, right . Okay. For me, right . Right. This is the horny flippin spiders. Flippin spiders. I love this story. I love this story. Come on, crazed spider, sex crazed smile. I love this headline. Its perfect this is a perfect headline. This is a daily mail online sex crazed spiders are going to be invading your this autumn. Your homes. This autumn. Oh, dont spiders . Dont you like spiders . I dont like spiders. And i certainly dont thought certainly dont like the thought of coming inside to make of them coming inside to make babies my house. Of them coming inside to make batwell, my house. Of them coming inside to make batwell, theyrere. Of them coming inside to make batwell, theyre coming, and well, theyre coming, and they of babies in one they have lots of babies in one go. Lots of babies. And go. About lots of babies. And theyre right. Okay. So theyre tiny. Right. Okay. So basically, october basically, september, october is the for most of the breeding season for most of the breeding season for most of the that native to the spiders that are native to this and they like to, this country. And they like to, you know, have their spider grown cuddles in the warm and grown up cuddles in the warm and the dry and why wouldnt they . So theyre all coming into the male in particular male spiders in particular think, to go think, right, were going to go inside, some lady spiders inside, meet some lady spiders where its warm and dry and have baby spiders. So thats the bafic baby spiders. So thats the basic story here, which is lovely, theyve linked lovely, but theyve also linked into front page of the daily into the front page of the daily star today is which is here come the red fire ants. So you know the red fire ants. So you know its creepy crawlies from hell. Aim is looking at me weird. Its creepy crawlies from hell. Aim is looking at me weird. So aim is looking at me weird. So we now going to be invaded we are now going to be invaded by not by spiders who are doing grown up spider things in your home, but also asian hornets are going to be on the way as well as the red fire and how are they getting in there . Well, because this is climate isabel. This is climate change, isabel. Because driving because were not driving electric anymore, electric cars anymore, obviously. So all our obviously. So its all our fault. So yeah, the red fire ants are coming over from the continent. In ants are coming over from the contirlent. In ants are coming over from the contirlent. Know. In ants are coming over from the contirlent. Know. Probably illegally. They crossed the channel they crossed the channel yeah, the hornets came on a banana they came on bananas. Theyre all coming across the channel. Im blaming the french. Sheeran. So so right. Okay ed sheeran. So so he likes a wedding or two . Yeah. So hes posted this video on instagram where he is essentially crashed couples wedding and starts sort of serenading the pair of them at the moment just before they they get married. I personally would probably be a bit annoyed by this. Yeah. You know, youre getting over shone or sorry, over shadowed by a big celebrity on your big day. But then again, maybe if i was the bloke, i would try and pretend that id actually arranged the whole thing. Yes. Because he thing. Yes. Yes. Because he looks the problem looks looks the problem is he looks really and fidgety really surprised and fidgety about if you. About it. Whereas if you. What if ed walked in and you didnt who was . What if ed walked in and you did but who was . What if ed walked in and you did but this who was . What if ed walked in and you did but this is1o was . What if ed walked in and you did but this is a was . What if ed walked in and you did but this is a younger� celebrity. Yeah, hes been around for ages globally. One of the biggest selling artists, like up there, top five or something. Yeah, but i agree with you, fraser. Its not all about you. Ed yeah, this is their special moment. This is their special moment. This is the vows. Their special moment. This is the and s. Their special moment. This is the and the thing is, what a and the thing is, what a surprise. He actually managed to serenade this couple. This was one the little wedding one of the little White Wedding chapels they chapels in las vegas, and they happened be a british couple happened to be a british couple as is very handy as well, which is very handy because britain because everyone in britain knows theyre is. Knows who theyre cheering is. And serenade them and he happens to serenade them with the new single off his latest album. Mean, what were latest album. I mean, what were the but you know, be the chances . But you know, to be fair ed sheeran, he does this fair to ed sheeran, he does this a doesnt like when a lot, doesnt he . Like when hes tour, he goes to local hes on tour, he goes to local schools. I mean, hes either very, caring or hes very, very caring or hes actually very, on what actually very, very up on what makes good publicity makes a very good publicity stunt. Is an instagram feed stunt. This is an instagram feed , the eds put this out , by the way. Eds put this out himself. This is a window on my life. You know, i cant go to hotel you know, i cant go to a hotel where someone doesnt come up and on the shoulder and and tap me on the shoulder and say my daughters say i couldnt. My daughters getting married in the next room. You know, you wouldnt go in whatever to in and see them or whatever to the where i got a phone the point where i got a phone call from a dear friend two weeks ago whose wedding i was going he said to me, we going to. And he said to me, we dont just want you to go to the wedding. Want you to conduct wedding. We want you to conduct the ceremony. Wedding. We want you to conduct the oh,3mony. Wedding. We want you to conduct the oh, my ny. Wedding. We want you to conduct the oh, my lord. Oh, my lord. Oh, my lord. Indeed. Indeed. Thats what thought as thats what i thought as well. Buried george well. So ive buried george best, so family best, right . So his family fought said, we dont fought me and said, we dont want priest or anything, but want a priest or anything, but we you do georges we want you to do georges funeral ceremony. And now im funeral ceremony. And now im going to marry charlie lawson. Going to marry charlie lawson. Jim mcdonald from coronation street. Yeah. So there you are. Street. Yeah. So there you are. I should maybe become some sort of preacher. Of preacher. You also did a tribute at Alison Hammonds mums funeral , Alison Hammonds mums funeral, didnt you as well . Yes. Yeah, but also reading. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Available for hire. Available for hire. Im available for hire. I seem to have this link here, though. So are you buried, george best . Im on honeymoon with george best. Tell more. Well, tell me more. Well, tell me more. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. One . Which one . Which one . One of weddings. Which one of his weddings. Which one of his weddings. One of his wife. Which one of his wife. Which one of his wife. Married alex, right . And, he married alex, right . And, yeah, i was working for a newspaper, and we were doing the story. You an unwelcome story. Were you an unwelcome guest . No, was guest . No, no, no, no. I was invited. I actually sat on the beach watching in mauritius. I sat watching the sat on the beach watching the sunrise george beth. Sunrise with george beth. , missed much. Oh, sadly, missed much. Oh, sadly, missed much. Sadly missed. Was actually sadly missed. It was actually absolutely charming. Eamonn its coming anniversary this coming up to an anniversary this month, years since george month, 60 years since george made his debut for man u. You go. There you go. There you go. Yeah. Should we talk about kylie shes Kylie Minogue . Oh, yeah. Shes age defying , isnt she . Kylie minogue . Oh, yeah. Shes ageshes. 1g , isnt she . Kylie minogue . Oh, yeah. Shes ageshes. I| , isnt she . Kylie minogue . Oh, yeah. Shes ageshes. I thinkt she . Kylie minogue . Oh, yeah. Shes ageshes. I think shee . Kylie minogue . Oh, yeah. Shes ageshes. I think she makes shes. I think she makes a very good point here. Shes, shes, shes talking about people to just shut up talking about age isnt she. She is. Yeah. The point of this story is its in on this story this is its in on the standard online i think it is given an interview her is shes given an interview her new lots of music links new single lots of music links called padam padam. Its been a viral success on tiktok. And viral success on tiktok. And kylie is saying, well, im a bit surprised because tiktok is for young people and they seem to like it. Therefore, she is assuming the ageism really isnt that important anymore. However, that important anymore. However, i do beg to differ. Kylie is 55 years old. Shes had a 35 year career, 55. Yeah, i know. But she. Thats the point. Mean she she. Thats the point. Mean she doesnt look it. Shes always this Little Princess of pop, isnt she . She doesnt look old. And she goes , well, ageism isnt and she goes, well, ageism isnt cool, but i think its on the way out. And i actually, speaking to someone whos slightly older than kylie, beg to differ there because i dont think think its actually think i think its actually getting worse. Yeah. If i, i getting worse. Yeah. And if i, i mean, obviously look mean, i obviously dont look like minogue. If youre like Kylie Minogue. If youre listening on radio, i really dont look like kylie. But if i had pound for every one that had a pound for every one that said, martin dressed as said, oh martin dressed up as lamb well they might lamb and that is well they might have a point. They do not. They do not. Is this on social media is this on your social media common is increasing common yeah that is increasing yeah. E media en but social media is not normal life. You know what, isabel . Its from other as well. From other women as well. Yeah. Jealous yeah. Yeah. Jealous yeah. Yeah. Jealous thats. Thats. Thats thats. Thats what thats. Thats what it thats. Thats what it is. Oh, like supermodel. Oh, you look like a supermodel. And you. And oh, thank you. That. Well, im not having that. Well, thats outrageous. The thing about you, you make an effort many people. An effort on so many people. Effort. I was dont make an effort. I was watching something on instagram last woman walking last night about a woman walking through centre, and she through a town centre, and she was beautifully coiffured was really beautifully coiffured and whatever , and and dressed and whatever, and they showing they were just showing everybody, their heads. Everybody, turning their heads. But to see how everyone but you want to see how everyone else really else was dressed really was. I just think im old school. Woman news floors. Well, youre top school with it. Top of the class. Heres alex burkill. Burkill. The temperatures rising in boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Good morning. For many, theres a bit of a cooler feel around at the moment with some rain across parts of england in particular. And also the risk of a Little Thunder later taking a look first thing and yes, a cloudy, wet start across this central slice of england into southwest england as well through the morning. Some of that rain across parts of lancashire east anglia lancashire into east anglia could persistent and could be quite persistent and heavy meanwhile in the heavy at times. Meanwhile in the far high humidity far southeast, high humidity could allow for some heavy, perhaps thundery downpours could allow for some heavy, pedevelop thundery downpours could allow for some heavy, pe develop asthundery downpours could allow for some heavy, pe develop as we ndery downpours could allow for some heavy, pe develop as we go ry downpours could allow for some heavy, pe develop as we go into wnpours could allow for some heavy, pe develop as we go into the ours to develop as we go into the afternoon whilst across scotland, Northern Ireland and wales, a brighter picture, just a of showers though a scattering of showers though most places avoiding these highs lower but could lower than recently, but could get to around 24 or 25 celsius in the south east through the end of the day. Were going to continue to see a quite cloudy, wet picture across parts of the southeast. Rain will grow southeast. That rain will grow really away as go really clear away as we go through the night. Otherwise, quite deal of clear quite a good deal of clear skies and slack under this and a slack flow under this slack flow. Temperatures are going take bit of a dip. A going to take a bit of a dip. A real last week. Some real contrast to last week. Some places across parts scotland places across parts of scotland could freezing , could get close to freezing, perhaps of grass, frost, perhaps a touch of grass, frost, maybe even a localised air frost, perhaps first thing on wednesday morning, then cloudy to in the southeast. To start off in the southeast. Any clear quite any rain will clear away quite quickly. Otherwise a lot of dry, bright, sunny weather through a good chunk of the morning. But then things turn wet and windy from we go into from the northwest as we go into the due to a deep area the afternoon due to a deep area of low pressure thats going to arrive later, quite cloudy arrive later, quite a cloudy picture compared some recent picture compared to some recent days temperatures a days and temperatures down a couple feeling couple of degrees and feeling cooler winds. Cooler in the winds. Temperatures rising, boxt the temperatures rising, boxt solar, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. We were just through continuing that discussion with our with our columnists here about ageism and fraser is only 30 years of age. Your child 30 to 32. Your little bones are hardly formed. You know. So the i mean, honestly, when you look at that, he is a baby, isnt it . Yes. Yes. You think of that. Yeah. You think of that. Yeah. No, but ive been married 37 years. He could actually be my baby. He could actually be my baby. Fraser , thats so wrong. I fraser, thats so wrong. I think it should be an issue. I just think we shouldnt even, you know, mention ages. Well, anyway , were going to well, anyway, were going to take a break. Well be back at the top of the 8 00 with warning the Parliamentary Researcher arrested on suspicion of spying for china claims hes completely innocent. As fears grow of a whole network of beijing informants at westminster. Westminster. With net migration and illegal crossings at record highs, dissatisfaction with the governments handling of the immigration control is now at its highest level since before the brexit referendum. The brexit referendum. And well be bringing you the latest weather updates. Alex burkill on the ball. Good morning. A bit of rain around today and it will feel cooler than of late too. Ill have more details later and youll be in very safe hands with paul coyte today. Absolute lutely. Absolute lutely. Absolutely. Hell, everybody. Absolutely. Hell, everybody. Almost as much as a scottish goalkeeper for the 1970s. Little slippery 150th anniversary of england versus scotland. They play england versus scotland. They play tonight at hampden and the man thats played in more of those games than anybody, the legendary Peter Shilton is going to be with us in about 20 minutes. Absolutely brilliant. Good to be able to talk to schulz and the is, imagine being in the thing is, imagine being in glasgow tonight. Nice summers night, tuesday night. Nothing else to do. What a match to see. Lovely friendly atmosphere between two fans who could want for anything more and theyll all leave. Maybe some of our viewers are going. Let us know if you are. We want to hear from you on any of the topics were covering this morning. Gb views. Gbnews. Com or you can tweet us at. Gb news. At. Gb news. Now the top story were going to talk about this morning is this whole speech , spy, spy this whole speech, spy, spy situation as whether there is infiltration at westminster or not. And if there are chinese spies there, what are they getting out of being involved at the heart of our government and questions have been raised now over the uks china policy. After that, british Parliamentary Researcher was arrested on suspicion of spying for beijing. For beijing. Now this comes as the business secretary, Kemi Badenoch. She says britain cannot afford to cut ties with china because they make the batteries for the cars that she wants churned out in oxford at the moment. So its a bit of a dilemma. Yes, indeed. And the Prime Minister has told the house of commons that the sanctity of westminster must be protected following these events with the Parliamentary Researcher in question, strenuously denying all allegations. Okay. Well, lets cross live now to westminster Political Editor Christopher Hope. Is there this morning. Chris, bring us up to date. Good morning. Us up to date. Good morning. Morning, ivan. Yeah, well , morning, ivan. Yeah, well, theres lots of talk today about how big is this so called westminster sale that was alleged by Iain Duncan Smith, the chief china hawk in the house of commons yesterday. But i understand from senior figures close to these these 20 or so tory mps who very concerned tory mps who are very concerned about there wont any about china, there wont be any attempt individual attempt to name this individual in the house of commons today. It has caused a lot of concern. The fact that speaker said that they cant name them because many that the name is out many think that the name is out there the internet. Its there on the internet. Its named national newspaper. Named by a national newspaper. Yesterday name yesterday why cant that name be out there everyone can take out there so everyone can take measures deal measures to try and deal with that threat . Fact, the that threat . But in fact, the i think there will be no attempt to name him today in the commons. Theres a feeling now that must its that justice must take its course, but theres also a feeling the us other feeling about why the us other authorities tougher authorities are much tougher cracking chinese cracking down on chinese infiltration , should infiltration, i should say alleged infiltration. Course, alleged infiltration. Of course, the this the individual denies in this case whether this lead case and whether this may lead to further of security to a further review of security measures, within measures, measures within parliament, is your parliament, behind me is your reading of that . I mean, is it because i suppose to a certain extent, you know, for example, is know, america, for example, is just frankly a bigger economy. It afford to be a bit it can afford to be a bit tougher with china. Why have we been so sort lukewarm or been so sort of lukewarm or mealy mouthed and all of this . Mealy mouthed and all of this . I think its about often the law has been found wanting. Theyve tried to modernise the law, make it easier to try and prosecute people who try to get involved our democratic involved with our democratic processes. Often they often just having an arrest or or and its happened before in the past with other people linked to parliament. Has sent a message as the state might think of it, as the state might think of it, a message to china saying we know what youre up to, we will limit this person, this persons behaviour. Some are saying the timing of the leak to the sunday times this weekend, just as richard sunak was about to meet with the chinese premier, i was with the chinese premier, i was with him in delhi when all this story broke. It broke about an hour or two before he met him. Whether attempt by whether that was an attempt by people the uk to try and put people in the uk to try and put pressure on on the on the Prime Minister and people around him, not close to china. So not to be so close to china. So theres lots of things, tectonic, tectonic plates moving below the waterline in westminster today. Today, isabel , we spoke to the government earlier about this issue and indeed the shadow cabinet. Lets take a listen to what they had to say and then get some analysis from you after that. China presents a challenge both to our National Security, but also to our values. And so our approach, therefore , needs our approach, therefore, needs to be one of engagement , but to be one of engagement, but also one of robustness. And thats certainly the approach thats certainly the approach that weve been taking. Weve cracked down on Chinese Investment in our Nuclear Sector and our semiconductors. Investment in our Nuclear Sector and our semiconductors. We and our semiconductors. We didnt meet with china at a top level for many years from 2018. I believe it is until last week. Were in line with our five eyes, if not more forthright in our approach. But as i said, it would be very naive to just pretend that china didnt exist and it wouldnt be in the interests of british, british industry, british jobs tackling climate change. So the list goes on. I dont think you should suck up to them or completely ignore them. You cant ignore them. There are you know, a massive part of this economy. Whether we like it or not. Theres 140,000 Chinese Students here. We have £100 billion worth of trade. So we have to have open dialogue with them. That doesnt mean that we should not be robust with them when its required, whether its on human rights abuses, whether security abuses, whether its on security concerns. But weve also got to concerns. But weve also got to work them on on issues of work with them on on issues of global concern such as climate change. So yeah, we challenge them we have concerns. But them when we have concerns. But but to just completely ignore them, i think would be would be them, i think would be would be the wrong move. But to say then christopher, just another issue that there isnt much difference between the two parties on. Yeah you heard Michelle Donelan there first and then Justin Madders thats conservative and then labour politician runs the tories. Tory government of course trying to say theres a thin line here to walk, which we heard from rishi sunak and people around him. Theyre saying you cant ignore china. The scale of its of its economic involvement, the fact that its making the batteries for this big investment in the mini plant at Cowley Oxford mini plant at cowley in oxford yesterday. And thats why youve got talk to china. Cant got to talk to china. You cant just ignore and hope they just ignore them and hope they go and try and build almost go away and try and build almost a wall china around a great wall of china around them. Talk to them. Them. So we cant talk to them. Thats the point mr sunak. Thats the point of mr sunak. And trying to bring back thats the point of mr sunak. Anwhere trying to bring back thats the point of mr sunak. Anwhere they ing to bring back thats the point of mr sunak. Anwhere they wereo bring back thats the point of mr sunak. Anwhere they were under] back thats the point of mr sunak. Anwhere they were under gordon, to where they were under gordon, under cameron and george under David Cameron and george osborne. Of course it went the other way under Boris Johnson and liz truss, much more, much more sceptical about china. But of course labour will say, well, why are we doing this and raise concerns . Because it can do in opposition. I wonder whether if the gets into power next the party gets into power next year , which is likely according year, which is likely according to it may change its to the polls, it may change its position. Position. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much indeed. Were going to move on now to talk about a survey , the talk about a survey, the dissatisfaction amongst the pubuc dissatisfaction amongst the public at the governments handung public at the governments handling of immigration. And the thing is that this dissatisfaction is at its highest level since before your brexit. Brexit vote. And so why is that . Two thirds of people across england, scotland and wales said they are dissatisfied with the way politicians in charge are dealing with migration. The Immigration Attitudes Tracker Survey has been responsible for this and the level is at its highest. Its been since 2015, when the survey began. And the latest figure is up from a low of 41 in 2020. And on party lines, labour supporters almost three quarters, 73, are dissatisfied and for 82 of dissatisfied conservative supporters , they conservative supporters, they say the governments not doing enough to stop the channel migrant crossings. Enough to stop the channel migrant crossings. And, you migrant crossings. And, you know, this is really a huge opportunity for the labour party because you can see now that, you know, labour voters are as concerned about this as those on the right and this doesnt really fit along those Traditional Party lines. But the situation such , you situation has got such, you know, much concern now from know, so much concern now from the public with the cost of these hotels day after day costing millions of pounds of taxpayers money. So something has to be done. The thing is, your views very much contribute to this one. And well try and talk about this before we go off air this morning. Gb views gbnews. Com or you can tweet at gb news. Okay. With the time at 8 09, lets give you an update on todays headunes give you an update on todays headlines and disposable vapes are to be banned in england in a bid to stop children becoming addicted to them. Health ministers say bright packaging and sweet flavours are behind an increasing number of young vapers. Vapers. The wilko situation. The the wilko situation. The first shops will close today as the collapse of the long running high street chain unfolds. They high street chain unfolds. They will shut the first of 24 shops. These are 24 of nearly 400 in total across britain as thousands of people will also be made redundant. The gmb union made redundant. The gmb union has backed our dont kill cash campaign. They say the disturbing scenes of mass Bank Closures would put Vulnerable People at risk of financial exclusion. The risk of financial exclusion. The Prime Minister had previously appeared to rule out such a move, insisting that it would not be appropriate for the government to start imposing such rules on individual businesses. Businesses. Five children who travelled from britain to pakistan with saira sharifs father have been returned to her grandfather hours after being taken by police. Neighbours said dozens of officers raided the grandfathers house where the children were staying. A ten children were staying. A ten year old sarah was found dead at her family home in woking in surrey, a day after her father had his partner left england and a woman has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a two Year Old Girl was found dead in a village pond in hampshire. Police are appealing for information after officers were called to the home of the child in kingsley following reports that little girl had that the little girl had disappeared. And were just disappeared. And were just getting pictures in of kilauea, one of the most active volcanoes in the world. These are very , very these are very, very disturbing, especially all that hawaii has been through recently. It had paused, erupting for two months, but the lava is really spectacular. I mean, these are live pictures coming in. Yeah. And if youre listening on the radio, what is so spectacular about this, one of the most active volcanoes in the world is that the lava, genuine only glows. Obviously, the only glows. Obviously, the temperatures there absolutely huge. And quite spectacular. Were told at the moment there isnt any sort of threat to life, which will be a relief to the inhabitants of the island. Just four weeks on from those devastate wildfires that affected of maui so affected the people of maui so badly , the observatory said gas badly, the observatory said gas is being released by the eruption will cause volcanic smog, though downwind of killer wire and people are being told they should avoid the national park. At the moment, no threat to life. This is on the big island in hawaii. Island in hawaii. And you can you can actually view this. I mean, imagine what that must be like. I remember oncei that must be like. I remember once i had to film, i was brought by helicopter to the rim of a volcano. Oh, didnt like of a volcano. Oh, didnt like that. No, i dont like that. Didnt like that. A lot of hot air blowing up and you could feel your eyebrows singeing and bits of your curling whatever it is. Curling up and whatever it is. But absolutely incredible. But then at things then also you look at things like pompeii and how these bodies have preserved. Bodies have been preserved. When do find them. When i do find them. Absolutely fascinating volcanoes and well. And my children do as well. Something really sort of charred like about our imaginations that we all really enjoy seeing them and sort of the way that the lava just destroys in lava just destroys everything in its went to its wake. Yeah, i went to cotopaxi in ecuador. Thats a live volcano, wasnt erupting at the time, but its that sense of insecurity , like, could this be insecurity, like, could this be a terrible decision . A terrible decision . Yeah, you see yourself as so insignificant, dont you really . But its like all these occurrences that are happening around the world that terrible earthquake in morocco and what is going on in greece with either flooding or fires and throughout much of europe and whatever its the world seems an angry place and a dangerous place at the moment. Lets hope the weather is calmer than all of that. Alex burkill with the picture , that warm feeling picture, that warm feeling inside made from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Good morning. For many, theres a bit of a cooler feel around at the moment with some rain across parts of england in particular and also the risk of a Little Thunder later taking a look first thing and yes, a cloudy, wet start across this central slice of england into southwest england as well through the morning. Some of through the morning. Some of that across parts that rain across parts of lincolnshire anglia lincolnshire into east anglia could persistent and could be quite persistent and heavy meanwhile, in heavy at times. Meanwhile, in the southeast , high humidity the far southeast, high humidity could for some heavy, could allow for some heavy, perhaps even thundery downpours to we go into the to develop as we go into the afternoon across afternoon whilst across scotland, Northern Ireland and wales. A brighter picture just a scattering showers though scattering of showers though most places avoiding these highs lower recently, but could lower than recently, but could get to around 24 or 25 celsius in the south east through the end of the day. Were going to continue to see a quite cloudy, wet picture across parts of the southeast. Rain will southeast. That rain will gradually away as go gradually clear away as we go through the night. Otherwise quite a good deal of skies quite a good deal of clear skies and flow under this and a slack flow under this slack flow. Temperatures are going take a bit of a dip, a going to take a bit of a dip, a real to last some real contrast to last week. Some places parts of scotland places across parts of scotland could to freezing, could get close to freezing, perhaps touch of frost perhaps a touch of grass, frost , maybe even a localised air frost, perhaps first thing on wednesday then cloudy wednesday morning, then cloudy to in the southeast. To start off in the southeast. Any rain will clear away quite quickly. Lot of dry, quickly. Otherwise a lot of dry, bright , quickly. Otherwise a lot of dry, bright, sunny quickly. Otherwise a lot of dry, bright , sunny weather through a bright, sunny weather through a good the morning. But good chunk of the morning. But then wet windy then things turn wet and windy from the northwest as we go into the afternoon a deep area the afternoon due to a deep area of low pressure going to of low pressure thats going to arrive quite a cloudy arrive later, quite a cloudy picture compared some picture compared to some recent days down days and temperatures down a couple degrees and feeling couple of degrees and feeling cooler the winds that warm cooler in the winds that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news news. We were previewing the scottish england encounter for the old enemies , as theyre the old enemies, as theyre called, hampden park tonight. Called, hampden park tonight. And that match is on the telly from 7 00 tonight. But first, still to come, dont go anywhere. Well be youll be still to come, dont go anywhere. Well be youll be in still to come, dont go anywhere. Well be youll be in very,. Well be youll be in very, very safe hands. Not only me, not only paul coyte , but the not only paul coyte, but the most capped goalkeeper england have ever had. Peter shilton. After this we re were in the academy mode and were building it up ahead of the big match tonight at hampden. So paul coyte has called in his connections. Who have you got for us . Well, ill tell you who ive got. Ive gone into 150th anniversary then of england versus scotland, so thats tonight, the 100th anniversary game. It was 50 game. Then obviously it was 50 years ago, man , that played in years ago, man, that played in that also played more that game and also played more games for england than anybody else. What do you else. More caps. What do you what you mean . What do you mean . He played 50 years ago. He did play. What he . 190 or what . Well, you know, its actually his birthday on sunday. Well well, he must have been like five. I think he probably was. He still looks same. Who is the still looks the same. Who is the great Peter Shilton. Morning peter. Rac. Happy birthday peter. Happy rac. Happy birthday for sunday morning. Amen. Morning tilts. For sunday morning. Amen. Morning tilts. Very amen. Morning tilts. Very good to see you. What do you remember about all enemy games . What do you remember about them . I mean, were they. Were they i mean, were they. Were they vicious . Were they competitor . Vicious . Were they competitor . Ive to say the least. Ive to say the least. Both of those i thing it was their incredible matches to play. And, you know , in that play. And, you know, in that era, especially because there was obviously the terracing and youd get you know sometimes a hundred thousand at hampden and a lot of british players at clubs then and the atmosphere you know if you lost the game youd take stick throughout the season until you played them again. So there was always a lot riding on it. Do you think that maybe , do you think that maybe, maybe the feeling is not there that it used to be because we were saying earlier it was it was always the game on tv. Was it . We used to get the fa cup final and england, scotland every year and everybody waited for so now, you for those games. So now, do you think it might lessened . Think it might have lessened . Think it matters more do you think it matters more to than england . To scotland than england . Oh, i think so. I dont know about you, peter. Well, no, i mean, it was um, well, no, i mean, it was always a big game for the engush always a big game for the english lads as well, you know . But think it was just the era but i think it was just the era , you know, youd got a lot of players at clubs and now obviously theres a lot more foreign players in. But certainly the fans , theres certainly for the fans, theres always a rivalry there. Definitely. Peter who did you see in front of your goals in your six yard area or whatever that you thought danger, danger , man. Thought danger, danger, man. Uh, well , thought danger, danger, man. Uh, well, quite a few actually, but yeah, i mean, obviously i remember in 73, id just got in the england team and it was at wembley and we were winning 1 0 with ten minutes to winning1 0 with ten minutes to go. And i remember kenny dalglish, great scotland striker. Oh youve got the picture of the save. And i managed to get the save. And i managed to get across and palm it away and you know, we won 1 0 and, you know, we got great players like bobby moore in that match. So it really cemented me in the england team. But i think dalglish was certainly one of scotlands great strikers and funny enough, you know , ally funny enough, you know, ally mccoist always used to get a few chances when i played against him. Ally mccoist was very good looking when he was young. You know, he even appeared in films. Did he really . He did. What happened then . He doesnt seem to have it anymore , do you, ali . To have it anymore, do you, ali . Ive got to say, 73, though. 73 that that game and it was known and still is. Peter and i think everybody north of the border would like to forget it. The saint valentines day massacre, wasnt know it was wasnt it . And i know it was bobby 100th appearance bobby moores100th appearance as well. Em f em yeah. Yeah. You know, it was it was. Its always great to beat them at wembley, but the, the hampden games were special as well, you know, and over the years, you know, without sounding big headed, i had some pretty good games against scotland 11. It was 11, 11 games. Yeah always fantastic, especially at wembley. You used to go on the coach to the game and youd go past some of the pubuc and youd go past some of the public houses or pubs on the way. And of course there was a mass of scottish fans there with the kilts on come down from scotland the day before. And as scotland the day before. And as our team coach go by, theyd all do moonies and things like that. So it was quite funny at the time, you know, they would they were just so against england team. Did you do them back though . Peter this is the thing. I dont think you get away with it these days, but would you do them back again . Out out the coach window . No i think, yeah, we were quite we quite diplomatic. We were quite diplomatic. You were. Of course you were. Of course you were. Peter, what where you so, peter, what where do you see the game going tonight . Its billed as a friendly england , billed as a friendly england, fresh out against ukraine. The other day. It was a pretty, pretty ordinary draw. I thought that really was. But scotland, as you were saying, paul, earlier , playing well. Earlier, are playing very well. They are five on the trot, won five the trot. Five on the trot. Its going to be its going to be a walkover for anybody. Do you it, peter . How do you see it, peter . How do you see it, peter . I think england are a better team, but think youre right. Team, but i think youre right. Scotland are, you know, theyve got the system a settled team now. They start from a solid now. They start from a solid base. Now. They start from a solid base. What i mean is they have base. What i mean is they have three at the back. I think four in midfield and one up front and so they can they can defend really , really well and go from really, really well and go from there. So, you know , i dont there. So, you know, i dont think its going to be an easy for match england, but i do think id always fancy england against scotland because i think weve got better players. They got one more. Ive got to ask you, peter, 125 caps for england. I always want to do you actually get 125 caps . Do they arrive in the post . Do they hand it to you and where are they . Because ive. Why arent you wearing one . I know where are they now . You got one there. But. But you have 125 . No, no, no, i you you get caps. In no, no, no, i you you get caps. In the old days and then sometimes world cups , you get sometimes world cups, you get one cap with all the names on. But you know, in that era i used to put me in bin liners and put me in my in my loft. Because you didnt know where i was to put them . No i mean, over the years, ive given ive given them away and, you know, sort of let them go because memorabilia is very big. And i think, you know, its one of those situations where you dont want them hanging around the for house obvious reasons. You know, its very difficult just shove them in difficult just to shove them in a you know, peter, i a bank vault. You know, peter, i think Gareth Southgates got a big problem. Big problem. If england qualify for the euro finals, do you play Jordan Henderson . Would you would you have Harry Maguire in front of you . Would you be comfortable with Harry Maguire in front of you . And i say that obe is a out of concern, i suppose, as a man united fan. But but lad is united fan. But but the lad is not getting game time really . Not getting game time really . Yeah. I think its a difficult one. I mean, obviously gareth is known as a loyal manager , but i think when manager, but i think when players are not playing regularly over a period of time, theyre bound to lose that. That bit of edge, you know . And i think if it stays the same, you know, i think itd be very difficult. You know, to i think itd be difficult to play Jordan Henderson anyway, its a lovely player. Hes not obviously the level of the premier league. I think fire, you know, if hes not playing in the team regularly , i think its regularly, i think its difficult to play him at the end of the season in a in a big tournament like interesting interesting score tonight always always fancy england so im not going to say scotland are going to win, but im going to say 2 0 to win, but im going to say 2 0 to england, but never get it right anyway. So as long as we win, im not too bothered. Win, im not too bothered. So not the 5 0, not the nine three conservative, 2 0. Id take it. I dont think north of the border they will. Peter i, i think a22 draw. Do you really . Unless harry kanes in real good form. And then theres just no stopping. Hes always on good form. Yeah, hell be fine. Im with you, peter. Yeah. Think we need to yeah. I think we need to bounce from other day. Bounce back from the other day. A little bit. It was a bit dull. As damon said, was of as damon said, it was one of those against ukraine those matches against ukraine that, i think we that, you know, i think we werent really at i think werent really at it. So i think theyre allowed to be ready tonight. Well, no friendlies in football, and this certainly wont be with it. Okay. Wont be one with it. Okay. Schultz, pleasure. Absolute wont be one with it. Okay. Schultalking sure. Absolute wont be one with it. Okay. Schultalking toe. Absolute wont be one with it. Okay. Schultalking to you. Isolute wont be one with it. Okay. Schultalking to you. Thanks pleasure talking to you. Thanks for today. We for taking the time today. We really you both. Really appreciate you both. Okay. You. Thank very okay. Thank you. Thank you very much, indeed. That gets us much, indeed. Well, that gets us all excited for the game. Im all revved up. Im ready to have a kick around the car park. Could you fancy coming over to my house later . Absolutely yeah, we might do that. To say. Well, are you going to say. Are going to support, are you going to support, though, or dont ask me that. Just dont me that question. Though, or dont ask me that. Just lori1t me that question. Though, or dont ask me that. Justlori hunter� ne that question. Though, or dont ask me that. Justlori hunter well,at question. Though, or dont ask me that. Justlori hunter well, i, question. Though, or dont ask me that. Justlori hunter well, i, i,1estion. Lori hunter well, i, i, i think if youre celtic, youve got to stay with the celtic team. Fair enough. All right. Fair enough. All right. But im not one of these people thats anti england. Not at all. Because, i mean, if you support, you know, if you cheer these people, these players in the premier league every dont you players in the premier league everthen dont you players in the premier league everthen turn dont you players in the premier league everthen turn round you players in the premier league everthen turn round and you players in the premier league everthen turn round and pretend can then turn round and pretend you sort of cant stand england or whatever. But i think in this case like to see scotland do okay. Fair enough. That makes it even though were friends, even though were all friends, never on front, not for never on the front, not for light or for that. When you say that. When you say that. And come on the and still to come on the program, more you, program, lots more for you, including you eat this including would you eat this burger if it was made for you by a prisoner . We debate whether prisoners should be given jobs while next. While serving time next. Well, it doesnt mean that the spot in it, does it . But you know, it just made by somebody who happens to be in jail hamburgers after this. Oh, very good im isabeau has an important announcement to make. Whats that about . Mcdonnell yeah, theyre being served. That yeah, theyre being served. That the look. What what are they being served . Cant make an announcement. Hes going to be served. Were prisoners today. And a number of prisoners are being able to serve burgers in mcdonalds. And were asking mcdonalds. And were asking this morning, would you want to eat not . This morning, would you want to eat well not . This morning, would you want to eat well , not . This morning, would you want to eat well , why . This morning, would you want to eat well , why do you why , why, well, why do you why, why, why has there to be a question . Why has there to be a question . Would you want to eat one . As if theyve got their fingers stuck up their nose all the time or something . Or something . Well, actually, you say that ionce well, actually, you say that i once interviewed a prisoner who the kitchen. Who said that in the kitchen. Sometimes theyd lace the mashed with for mashed potato with razors for their fellow inmates because there was all that drama going on. But just be careful when you bite into that big mac there. And davies knows what its like behind bars. He joins us this does liz this morning, as does liz brewer, debate this issue. Brewer, to debate this issue. Welcome to both of you. Winston, am theres some of that am i right . Theres some of that dodgy on prisons, dodgy stuff goes on in prisons, isnt think dodgy stuff goes on i think dodgy stuff goes on anywhere, doesnt it . Yeah, prison yeah, but prison particularly, we know just if were to colour them with were going to colour them with a, you know, a brush because youre prison, going youre in prison, youre going to to food. To do something bad to food. Dont think so. No i think, like the likelihood of there being problem, mcdonalds being a problem, mcdonalds being served, burgers and fries really, of really, really low chance of something there. Something happening there. Whats but liz, whats your objection to this . But liz, whats your obijhat to this . But liz, whats your obijhat putting but liz, whats your obijhat putting razor blades what putting razor blades into it . No, no, just just to two prisoners being allowed to work in kitchens. I have to tell you, i think one of problems that were one of the problems that were discussing today is why it doesnt seem to be working on on average. And i had a wonderful chat with winston outside. Ive chat with winston outside. Ive learnt a lot about prisons and, you know, i feel its all to do with the rehabilitation. If with the rehabilitation. If youre going to have people inside, its a punishment. Theyve got to be punished. But theyve got to be punished. But and theyre apparently a different levels. When you go to jail, youre on this level, which is pretty ghastly until you, know, do what youre you, you know, do what youre supposed and you get supposed to be doing and you get into a better level. Its to do with education in prison, which is to change their is going to change their attitude when they come out and there be programs there needs to be the programs whereby whether theyre serving hamburger in mcdonalds or cutting keys in timpsons, where i do know 10 of their employees are actually the most amazing man. Is he fantastic . He is. Man. Is he fantastic . He is. What hes done is incredible. And he employs he deliberately, as you say, 10 of his employers have are reformed prisoners. And he gives them a chance in life again, which i think is very, very. Thats right. But what ive learned inside is that, you know, you have , what is it, 18, know, you have, what is it, 18, 20 hours a day, winston or whatever it is, 20 hours, 22 hours a day when you are by yourself and you have time to contemplate. And its during those hours, youd think theyd go mad. But those hours, youd think theyd go mad. But they those hours, youd think theyd go mad. But they dont. Youve go mad. But they dont. Youve got time to think and find religion. They do indeed. And religion. They do indeed. And thats good for when they come out, but also when theyre in there to do programs which are concentrating on re education. So they have something to do when they come out being given a chance to work in a mcdonalds kitchen , i thought would do kitchen, i thought would do winston yeah. Do you think it serves any purpose . Any value . Yeah, 100. It just gives them an to reintegrate an opportunity to reintegrate with society. Maybe thats not going be the that they going to be the job that they want to do when they get out. But its the fact of but its just the fact of interacting with members of the pubuc interacting with members of the public and public thats part of it. And this sort of insinuating this article sort of insinuating they shouldnt be working in mcdonalds, shouldnt mcdonalds, they shouldnt be allowed the allowed to walk back to the prison. The whole point prison. Thats the whole point of rehabilitation. And what this article bigger of rehabilitation. And what this articleof bigger of rehabilitation. And what this articleof its bigger of rehabilitation. And what this articleof its not bigger of rehabilitation. And what this articleof its not rehabilitatingr thing of its not rehabilitating the serious people are the more serious people that are doing sentences. Lets doing longer sentences. Lets talk about the different levels. You category a through you go from category a through to and d at the moment, to b, c and d at the moment, youve got to do tick box exercises to get through these different levels. Theres different levels. But theres such on the courses is such a backlog on the courses is that are being left to do that people are being left to do 4 in prison and 4 or 5, six years in prison and then out with rehab then let out with no rehab visitation and no reintegration. Its not just a shame, its a dangen. Its not just a shame, its a danger. Yeah. These people, it leads frankly, leads to reoffending, frankly, because other way to because theres no other way to make once back on make money once theyre back on the yeah. And theyre to be yeah. And theyre going to be your neighbours. Theyre be in the theyre going to be in the car park next to you. You know what mean . Thats problem. What i mean . Thats a problem. Re offend of staff. Re offend and lack of staff. Thats other thing. Yeah. Thats the other thing. Yeah. Youve got, youve this. Youve got, youve got this. Wandsworth all over. This is wandsworth all over. This is wandsworth all over. Yeah. And not only precisely. Yeah. And not only that. Yes. Probably the were a couple people inside. How did couple of people inside. How did the with an ice bag the guy get out with an ice bag and food . There werent enough well, there werent enough people supervise. Well, there werent enough peo no. Supervise. No. No. So youve no. so no. So youve got another so there youve got another problem of these areas problem in some of these areas in our country today, weve got to thinking about how are to start thinking about how are we going training more we going to start training more police, more prison workers, people those prime jobs who people in those prime jobs who are going to keep this country. But do you think in all of this, winston, we also need to rehabilitate non prisoners to be more accepting people whove more accepting of people whove made know . Made mistakes, you know . Prison, you yes, you go to prison, you serve time once youve serve your time once youve served your time, if youve got a well, it should be a new skill, well, it should be a new skill, well, it should be a clean slate. We should be able to businessmen. To successful businessmen. Ever get when people do you ever get when people if it to come up in if it was to come up in conversation that been conversation that youve been inside, peoples inside, does it change peoples attitude you . Inside, does it change peoples attiyeah, you . Inside, does it change peoples attiyeah, yyit . Inside, does it change peoples attiyeah, yyit does. Yeah, im sure it does. Listen even coming on the show like this is a is a risk to me that clients are going to think, oh gosh, i didnt know that. Hes prison before and hes been in prison before and i dont want to work with him. But actually, do you know what i find people actually find that more people actually respect gone respect the fact that ive gone out retrained, this is 15 out retrained, learn this is 15 years ago that ive built business, that im working hard, contributing back, paying taxes, employing people. More people actually value that. And what they you what theyre they you know, what theyre talking about 15 years ago wisdom the wisdom you go back into the prisons you are teaching prisons and you are teaching these and youre actually these kids and youre actually doing what you realise it doing what you didnt realise it was when you spoke to me. Youre doing energy work with them, going in, as you them, youre going in, as you said this last couple of days, youd lost a friend and you didnt like it, so didnt feel like doing it, so you in there you said, you went in there and you said, hey dont feel like hey guys, i dont feel like doing program today, so im doing this program today, so im to going go out again. Im going to going go out again. Im going to youre all going to going go out again. Im going to cheer youre all going to going go out again. Im going to cheer me. Youre all going to going go out again. Im going to cheer me. So youre all going to going go out again. Im going to cheer me. So you� e all going to going go out again. Im going to cheer me. So you immediately got that energy on your side. What . Exactly the what . Youve got an exactly the same i met you, you same way when i met you, you know, half an hour ago or whatever. And you come in and you say, so hello, you know, im winston. Its energy. And its that changing that energy and its changing Peoples Energy so that you are teaching them and realising this quys teaching them and realising this guys been through this. This guys been through this. This guy look at him today. Successful hes married. Great guy successful hes married. Great guy , you know. And you didnt guy, you know. And you didnt have any problem introducing yourself to me and telling me youve been inside. No of course not. A great conversation. Of course. Because. Because its the worst thing that ever happened to me. But its the best thing that happened to best thing that ever happened to me. And im not me. Yeah, and you know, im not proud happened before. Proud of what happened before. Im not proud of that whole process. But im of where process. But im proud of where ive to today. And listen, ive got to today. And listen, the prison service, theyre watching contact me and watching anyway, contact me and get come and more get me in to come and do more work because its work here because its important. Important. Important. Yeah, its important. Wales, shes princess of wales, shes a patron, isnt she . Of the forward trust. Theyre the forward trust. And theyre the nations that nations leading charity that talks the issues talks about all of the issues that lead so many people to go to its drug to prison, whether its drug or alcohol or basic alcohol misuse or just basic petty crime. But i do really, really that really believe that rehabilitation is such a worthwhile if i didnt worthwhile thing. If i didnt have do, i feel have so much work to do, i feel like i would like to go and do something important. The people working in the right people working in jails understand and jails who understand that and encourage youre encourage it. You know, youre still against people being let out release to make out in day release to make mcdonalds afraid mcdonalds burgers. Im afraid i am. Think theyre going to do am. I think theyre going to do something think it should something that i think it should be inside and there be done inside and there should be done inside and there should be created inside has be jobs created inside or it has to to area where you can to go to an area where you can intermingle with people, but not the general public because you dont know whats going to happen. Winston Great Success story. Absolutely very good. Glad to see the benefit of all of that. And lovely, lovely talking to you. Thanks for having me. Cheers. Thank you. W w. Thank you very much. Thank you. Well. Thank you. You. Liz, as well. Thank you. Have i just got smaller know, have i just got smaller than you in this chair . I think im sinking down. I think definitely. Should i lower my chair . Should i lower my chair . Well, i dont know where the thingy is. There we go. Sorted floor. There we go. Sorted floor. Very good. Lets bring you up very good. Lets bring you up to date news wise. Heres whats happening the time id happening with the time at. Id love to tell you the time, but the clock has gone off eight love to tell you the time, but the cldisposable|e off eight love to tell you the time, but the cldisposable vapesaight love to tell you the time, but the cldisposable vapes aret love to tell you the time, but the cldisposable vapes are to be 4840 disposable vapes are to be bannedin 4840 disposable vapes are to be banned in england in a bid to stop children becoming addicted. Health ministers say bright packaging and flavours are packaging and sweet flavours are behind increasing numbers of young vapers. The first wilko young vapers. The first wilko shops will close today as the dramatic collapse of the long running high street chain unfolds. Unfolds. 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A woman has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a two Year Old Girl was found in a village pond in hampshire. Police are appealing for information after officers were called the home of the child called to the home of the child in kingsley. That followed reports the girl had disappeared i were going through the papers this morning in the company of the former editor of the daily star, dawn neesom, and fraser myers, Deputy Editor at spiked fraser , i want to spiked and fraser, i want to start with you. Its a story thatis start with you. Its a story that is still making lots of front we did front pages. This morning we did a on this yesterday a debate on this yesterday whether or not these xl bully dogs banned or not. Dogs should be banned or not. And theres been a big interview with the girl who herself was attacked, survived, but attacked, luckily survived, but shes saying she would like the owner the dog be owner of the dog to be imprisoned and she thinks that owner of the dog to be impdogied and she thinks that owner of the dog to be impdog should she thinks that owner of the dog to be impdog should bee thinks that owner of the dog to be impdog should be destroyed. At the dog should be destroyed. You got a daily meals have you got a daily meals front page . The daily mails wherever they the daily mails wherever the fraser its really its fraser its a really its a really harrowing interview. You know, shes talking the know, shes talking about the amount was in having amount of pain she was in having to two men having to to essentially two men having to beat off the dog and then they been injured as well. You know, these dogs seemingly are incredibly dangerous. Theres a new story every week about them attacking or mauling someone. Attacking or mauling someone. Its been a couple of months since, you know, a young child was killed by an american bully xl. And obviously, so xl. And obviously, so understandably , there are calls understandably, there are calls for something to be done legally. I think the issue is that the dangerous dogs act, legally. I think the issue is that the dangerous dogs act , the that the dangerous dogs act, the piece of legislation that we use to regulate these kinds of dogs is famously one of the worst pieces of legislation an that has ever been implemented. It has ever been implemented. It has ever been implemented. It has just failed spectacularly. I think. In has just failed spectacularly. I think. In what way . The number of dog attacks, the number of fatal dog attacks has increased massively since the act came in. The thing that i find on unbelievable about this legislation is that they record the amount of tax, but they dont record the breed of the dog, which sort of defeats the purpose and the point of the legislation is to be sort of breed specific and to say that there are these certain breeds that that should be should be banned. I think that that kind of makes sense. The rspca take a very different line, though. They its not about the they say that its not about the breed, its about the owner. I think when you see a pattern like this with these excel bully dogs and i mean , weve given dogs and i mean, weve given that name. Yeah, a lot of this is about money, then somebody creates this breed and then they become desirable. And when they become desirable. And when they become desirable , they become valuable. Desirable, they become valuable. And them and then theres more of them bred sort of thing. So bred and that sort of thing. So no need for them shouldnt be there. Im just amazed the governments so slowly on this. I mean, how many more people need be attacked . Many need to be attacked . How many more they more dogs . Apparently they killed this killed one dog a day. This particular in the month particular breed in the month of july so who come july alone. So people who come out as sort of animal loving are actually affecting other dogs, not american bully dogs not just us american bully dogs are accounted accountable for 73 of dog attacks since 2022. Yeah. And theres not actually that many of them. I was interviewing a leading dog behaviourist. I didnt even know behaviourist. I didnt even know that that was a thing last week called stan rawlinson. Whats the thing a very the big thing is a very important thing, actually, between dogs are sick and between dogs that are sick and behave a way and you behave in a wrong way and you get to make let them get someone to make let them behave. Actually shot me, behave. He actually he shot me, eamonn, he actually said eamonn, because he actually said and loves his behaviour eamonn, because he actually said ahe loves his behaviour eamonn, because he actually said ahe studies; his behaviour eamonn, because he actually said ahe studies; hes behaviour eamonn, because he actually said ahe studies; he helps|viour , he studies dogs. He helps people their dogs. And he people train their dogs. And he actually said these dogs actually said that these dogs are intrinsically evil and nobody should be allowed to own. Well, i heard this more on on the radio morning on my way the radio this morning on my way into and he was sitting into work. And he was sitting talking was saying, talking about he was saying, yeah, you understand talking about he was saying, yea bully, you understand talking about he was saying, yea bully, the you understand talking about he was saying, yea bully, the bulldog|derstand talking about he was saying, yea bully, the bulldog was tand the bully, the bulldog was a traditional british dog. It was a bulldog. But it doesnt matter if it is or isnt. If it kills people, it shouldnt be there. I dont care how traditional it is, its traditional. It kills people. It kills people. So i heard that as well. Yeah. Yes. Yes. But anyway. Right. Okay. So thats that don deal express britain deal with deal with france to end the Channel Crossings can never work. It can never achieve its aim. This is in the daily express. This is a daily express exclusive. Its one of their its one of their big sellers. Every time they do a migration story. Why uks £480 million deal to stop the boats is doomed and it features a group of off duty French Police officers in a bar having a nice time. So i feel a bit sorry for them because they are off duty. So because they are off duty. So theyve done a two week the express done a two week probe into what the hell is going on with all the money, bearing in mind only recently were actually hand actually were still due to hand over 467,000,000in next three years to encourage the french to stop the people trafficking. Stop the people trafficking. Basically thats what we need to stop it. This isnt about the migrants. About people migrants. This is about people who making huge amounts of who are making huge amounts of money misery of these money out of the misery of these people coming across the channel. Theyve got an channel. But theyve got an interview ive interview with the express. Ive got interview with a duty got an interview with a off duty police , french officer police, French Police officer saying job to stop saying its not our job to stop the boats. I let family go. The boats. I let a family go. They wanted to leave that they wanted to leave and that touched now i get touched my heart. Now i get where hes coming from , but it where hes coming from, but it is their duty. The problem with the is as soon as those the french is as soon as those boats are in the water, they refuse to stop them. But there have also reports in this have also been reports in this this covers them this paper covers it of them standing on the beaches and watching the boats leave and not stop. Just yesterday , two asylum stop. Just yesterday, two Asylum Seekers convicted , werent seekers were convicted, werent they, for assaulting french gendarmes who were working at our behest and had stones and whatever knows what thrown at them as these guys were boarding onto one of these boats and leaving french waters. So they are trying and then theyre getting assaulted. Some of trying. Of them are trying. We have given the french but we have given the french millions over the years and the situation getting worse. Millions over the years and the slllandt getting worse. Millions over the years and the sitland ministersg worse. Millions over the years and the sitland ministers weve e. Millions over the years and the sitland ministers weve put under and ministers weve put under pressure more on that front by interviewers. So youve gone to the telegraph front page there. Youve got the former conservative minister for rory. Conservative minister for rory. Whats his name . Rory stewart. Rory stewart. Rory stewart talking about about the pressures on politics. Lyons yes. So he hes around promoting his memoirs , we should promoting his memoirs, we should say, and hes saying that the pressure on mps has become intolerable. He on the one hand, he says that theres almost too much pressure on mps, but then he also says that parliament is not a serious place and that he felt that , you know, he was much felt that, you know, he was much more important point before he became an mp and people stopped taking him seriously and treated him like a like a child. He said he felt creepy having to tell David Cameron that he had brilliant policies and things like that. All the time, having to sort of suck up to the boss. So its quite a sort of wide ranging and strange interview you. It doesnt i dont think it makes rory stewart look great. I think he wants us to both feel sorry for him for being simultaneously under too much pressure , having too much work, pressure, having too much work, and same time feeling and at the same time feeling like bit nobody. And at the same time feeling like bit nobody. He kind like a bit of a nobody. He kind of admits that he didnt really achieve while hes an achieve anything while hes an mp blames that on the system. I mean, he sat down with our gloria piero here at gb news Gloria De Piero here at gb news and i dont know if thats fair. I dont know if he was trying to get a sympathy vote. I think he was to highlight what a was trying to highlight what a horrible is being an mp horrible job it is being an mp and ifs horrible job it is being an mp and its a very and how actually its a very weird system. Once you become a minister that you have to toe the party even. And this is the party line even. And this is why. So many these mps why. So many of these mps actually feeling actually are feeling suicidal, a lot having to vote for lot of them having to vote for things they actually really things that they actually really dont in day after dont believe in day after day. Have interview we have to interview ministers. Think, well, ministers. And you think, well, you obviously believe you do obviously believe that and a nonsense. And i think and its a nonsense. And i think where stewarts absolutely where Rory Stewarts absolutely right, the right, the system sucks. The system ridiculous. System system is ridiculous. The system does and we stick to does not work. And we stick to this system. And then this antiquated system. And then listening sunak listening to that eejit sunak talking about the sanctity, the sanctity parliament, just sanctity of parliament, i just couldnt that him couldnt get over that with him talking that yesterday. Talking about that yesterday. You know, i think i think, you know, i think youve to a balance youve got to strike a balance because sure that in one because im sure that in one sense would probably sense we would probably like some minded some more independent minded mps. The other hand , you mps. But on the other hand, you know, when most of us vote in a general election, we are thinking about the party and were thinking about the government the opposition. Government or the opposition. And so we do sort of expect, you know, if mps are going to deviate significantly from the essentially the joined up policy, then you want joined up thinking, yeah, i think i think someone like rory stewart, i mean , theres other comments he mean, theres other comments he makes. He says that , you know, makes. He says that, you know, he doesnt like the way that ministers are selected. He seems to should be of to think they should be sort of hired from private sector, hired from the private sector, a bit like they do america. Bit like they do in america. Again, that feels like to me he slightly i think his track record is fairly anti democratic. We do know at least know that ministers are accountable for all their other problems, even if theyre inexperience. Inexperience. I mean, there is a big argument for technocrats, people who actually have experience of their brief. So he blows my mind when someone comes in from whatever it was. What was Therese Coffey . She was Health Secretary couple weeks secretary for a couple of weeks Smoking Cigars and god knows what else. And shes an what else. And now shes an environment, know, and they environment, you know, and they have suddenly be the have to suddenly be leading the country this. And whereas country on this. And whereas somebody actually local somebody who actually local councils i used to remember, you know, you when you was a know, when you when you was a young reporter looking at who represented at local represented people at local councils what was their councils and what was their expertise except expertise in brief except they shouted than most shouted louder than than most other confident. Other people very confident. Thing say the only thing i would say here i sometimes the here is i think sometimes the rhetoric how we talk rhetoric around how we talk about how politicians be about how politicians can be dangerous. You think about jo dangerous. If you think about jo cox sir David Emerson cox and sir David Emerson southend, i think there is a lack of respect in general. Now lack of respect in general. Now some of them are doing a very good job. I totally agree. And you know why think don . I think why i think don . I think journalists like ourselves have a lack respect for them. A lack of respect for them. I think have allowed to think they have allowed this to happen. I think politicians make themselves available themselves too easily available for they for interviews and they shouldnt accountable and shouldnt be too accountable and available at the snap of a hand that they come on gb news or they come on the bbc or itv or whatever it happens to be. And theyve made a rod for their own backs. I think they have. And i think the rhetoric they also use now as well garners a lack of respect amongst us. I mean, the language they use soundbites, isnt it . Its just soundbites. You dont a theyre you dont believe a word theyre saying. Just like, you saying. Its just like, you know, thats what they do. Know, i get thats what they do. But the language, but some of the language, i mean, the fact that its acceptable use and acceptable to swear and use and call, people from the call, you know, people from the other party names and other party abusive names and all it does is lead to apathy and a lack of interest in politics, particularly amongst and a lack of interest in poliyoung. Rticularly amongst the young. Then m the young. Then up with and then you end up with people who arent really voting. Know, i was younger. You know, when i was younger. Reporter came to National Television get an television to, to get an interview with Michael Heseltine or Norman Tebbit or something or Norman Tebbit was a scary experience. Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, they were, you know, tory grandees instance or labour grandees instance or labour grandees or whatever it happened to be, but i think there was much more respect about the language used to, to the secretary of states. But however, neither are there to a penny. You can just get anybody. Imagine how scary was having to go and interview Margaret Thatcher number 10 and it was thatcher in number 10 and it was a baby i was absolutely a baby and i was absolutely terrified. And now the thought terrified. And now the thought of going into i know im of going to into i know im older obviously going to interview any minister its interview any minister now its like whatever. Interview any minister now its likeyeahtever. Interview any minister now its likeyeah ,lver. Interview any minister now its likeyeah , thats what im just yeah, thats what im just thinking. Ian paisley they didnt get any much more scary than that. Didnt get any much more scary tha never, never , never. Never, never, never. Never, never, never. Anyway. Dawn we go to the anyway. Dawn we go to the daily mail a little bit more scary maybe than ian paisley. Thats a spiders sex. Yeah, go on. Sex. Sex sound so excited by the story. Sex crazed spice the story. Sex crazed spice girls are about to invade all our homes. Its the breeding season for our native species as they like to do it in comfort. Obviously warm, dry with a nice glass of wine, whatever. So come to the fire. Yeah. Yeah. They are coming into our homes , obviously in september homes, obviously in september and october and having lots of little baby spiders now. I love spiders. I once had a pet spider, so i dont have an issue with that at all. However, i get that the way isabelles looking at me now, not everyone feels the same about ive just the same about why ive just moved and i live in a very moved house and i live in a very beamy a very old house. Nooks and crannies. They are everywhere. Yeah. And it gets to everywhere. Yeah. And it gets to the point where i get up in the morning, to the bathroom morning, tiptoe to the bathroom so not to wake her and so as not to wake her and theres a giant spider on the carpet, and im like, what . Weve bought spider catchers. Weve bought spider catchers. Weve its weve got the spray. Okay . Its like horrors. Like the house of horrors. You the spiders. But you know, the spiders. But you know, the spiders. Oh, look at that. Oh, look at that. They keep. They keep. No. Well, this is. Tell the no. Well, this is. I tell the children, they catch the flies. Its catch flies. Its good. They catch the flies. We mustnt be scared. Im leading by example, but inside. But youve been bitten. And baird spider bit and baird and a spider bit you as well. By a spider. Oh. Oh. But. But whats a spider oh, but. But whats a spider in your sheets . Yeah, that a spider in my yeah, that was a spider in my bed the other day. Which sort of spider was it, though . A one, right . Yeah. A black one, right . Yeah. A black one, right . Yeah. Okay. A black big one. Yeah. That doesnt narrow down, but the. Bigger the spider in the. The bigger the spider in general country, the general in this country, the less harmful are to you. Less harmful they are to you. Its little false its the little false widow spiders. Got are spiders. Youve got colour. Are they but theyre quite they black . But theyre quite small, but it depends on small, isabel. But it depends on how big in your world. How big is big in your world. Do you like spiders . Eamonn and fraser yeah, not really. Mean, dont im i mean, i dont say im scared of them or anything, but you feel bit unsettled, you do feel a bit unsettled, especially a lot of especially if theres a lot of them. Would jump . Them. But would you jump . Big squeal in the you know, big squeal in the night like i did . Sometimes though, you spot a spider and it knows youre spider and it knows its youre looking it. Looking at it and it runs it. Skitters run another times. You could hit with broom and it could hit it with a broom and it wouldnt it just not hit wouldnt move. It just not hit spiders with broom. Spiders with a broom. I usually stand on them. No, i usually stand on them. No, i usually stand on them. No, i dont use de man anyway, very much anyway, thank you very much indeed. And dawn. We now indeed. Fraser and dawn. We now thank alex burkill what thank alex burkill for what youre about to receive. Here we go. Go. A a outlook with boxt a brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Good morning for many, theres a bit of a cooler feel around at the moment with some rain across parts of england in particular and also the risk of a Little Thunder later. Taking a look first thing and yes, a cloudy, wet start across this central slice of england into southwest england as well through the morning. Some of that rain across parts of lincolnshire east anglia lincolnshire into east anglia could quite persistent and could be quite persistent and heavy at times. In the heavy at times. Meanwhile in the far southeast, high humidity could some heavy, could allow for some heavy, perhaps thundery downpours perhaps even thundery downpours to develop we go into to develop as we go into the afternoon across scotland afternoon whilst across scotland , Northern Ireland and wales. A brighter picture just brighter picture, just a scattering showers though brighter picture, just a scatteplaces showers though brighter picture, just a scatteplaces avoiding though brighter picture, just a scatteplaces avoiding these highs most places avoiding these highs lower recent but could get lower than recent but could get to around 24 or 25 celsius in the south east through the end of the day. Were going to continue to see a quite cloudy, wet across parts of the wet picture across parts of the southeast. That rain will gradually clear away as we go through night. Otherwise through the night. Otherwise quite skies quite a good deal of clear skies and slack flow. So under this and a slack flow. So under this slack flow, temperatures are going take a bit a dip, a going to take a bit of a dip, a real contrast to week. Some real contrast to last week. Some places across of scotland places across parts of scotland could close freezing, could get close to freezing, perhaps grass , frost, perhaps a touch of grass, frost, maybe even a localised air frost , perhaps first on , perhaps first thing on wednesday morning, then cloudy to in the southeast. To start off in the southeast. Any will clear away quite any rain will clear away quite quickly, otherwise a lot of dry, bright, sunny weather through a good the morning. Good chunk of the morning. But then things and windy then things turn wet and windy from northwest as we go into from the northwest as we go into the afternoon to a deep area the afternoon due to a deep area of low pressure going to of low pressure thats going to arrive on. Quite a cloudy arrive later on. Quite a cloudy picture to recent picture compared to some recent days. Temperatures down days. And temperatures down a couple and feeling couple of degrees and feeling cooler winds. Cooler in the winds. A brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on gb news as a very good morning to you. Its 9 00 on tuesday, the 12th of september. Youre watching breakfast on gb news with Eamonn Holmes and isabel webster. See, because everybodys changed galleries, nobody pressed the right switches. So now we realise were on air, which is good. Heres what weve been on breakfast so been covering on breakfast so far this morning. The Parliamentary Researcher arrested on suspicion of spying for china claims hes completely innocent as fears grow of a whole network of beijing informants in westminster with net migration. In through the net migration. In through the entertainment factor in this show is so good. All the things that go wrong are mostly better than the things that go right anyway. Lets talk about illegal crossings, migration and crossings, net migration and peoples opinions to it. Its at record highs. Dissatisfaction with governments handling with the governments handling of immigration control is now at its highest level since before brexit, as the controversial Online Safety bill goes through its final stages in parliament. Reality tv stars are set to descend on downing street to support the controversial new regulations. Regulations. The deputy leader of the labour party, Angela Rayner, has branded the governments levelling up policy as a sham and a scam. And a scam. And well be bringing you the latest Weather Forecast with alex burkill. Alex burkill. Good morning. A bit of rain around today and it will feel cooler than of late too. Ill have more details later. Youve been very good getting in touch. The usual way as gb news. You can tweet out there or you can do the email version gb views. Cbnnews. Com im going gonna read a few. Derek talking about the home internationals were scrapped because of the violence that followed them, especially england v scotland games had nothing with they nothing to do with money. They were spinners and very were all money spinners and very popular. Were all money spinners and very popular. Bruno were all money spinners and very popular. Bruno not were all money spinners and very popular. Bruno not happy popular. Bruno is not happy about way the country about the way the country is being not financially being run. Its not financially worth going to work anymore. And alan says hs2. Start hs2 in alan says hs2. Why start hs2 in london and not birmingham and work counts . If work both ways if it counts . If its cancelled, who benefit . 7. I 7 i agree. . I agree. Nobody will benefit. Well all be losers with that. Well all be losers with that. There we go. Top story this morning is questions have been raised over britains china policy after a researcher of parliament was arrested on suspicion of spying. This comes as the business secretary Kemi Badenoch claims we cant afford to cut ties with china and insisted that a row over spying should not result in a breaking of ties with beijing i the Prime Minister, meanwhile, has told the house of commons that the sanctity of westminster must be protected with the Parliamentary Researcher in question, denying all allegations. Our Political Editor Christopher Hope joins us now from westminster. Good morning to you, christopher. This is a headache for the government. They want to try and keep china sweet, but then theyve also got these people swarming around the seat of democracy. Of democracy. Yeah , its really hard, isnt yeah, its really hard, isnt it . Theres 17,000 people, isabel, who have access to the building behind me , Parliament Building behind me, parliament and the big issue there is are they all are they all okay or is anyone working for foreign actors . Now, i understand from this a sources in this morning from a sources in parliament, therell no parliament, therell be no review things stand of who review as things stand of who has passes to get inside parliament. This parliament. Despite this pressure from from china hawks led by ian duncan smith, he said that there could be some form of chinese intelligence cell at the heart of westminster. Chinese intelligence cell at the heart of westminster. So the big heart of westminster. So the big issue werent the issue is why werent the government do more . But the answer, course, is the answer, of course, is the government trade more government wants to trade more with engage with china with china and engage with china. Earlier we heard from Michelle Donelan. Say. Donelan. She had this to say. Someone didnt hear what chris was saying. He was saying Michelle Donelan. This is what she had to say. Oh, were china presents a challenge both to our National Security, but also to our values i and so our approach therefore needs to be one of engagement. But also one of robustness. And thats certainly be the approach thats certainly be the approach that taking. Weve that weve been taking. Weve cracked on chinese cracked down on Chinese Investment in our Nuclear Sector and our semiconductor as we didnt meet with china at a top level for many years from 2018, i believe it is until last week. Were in line with our five eyes, if not more forthright in our approach. But as i said, it our approach. But as i said, it would be very naive to just pretend that china didnt desist and it wouldnt be in the interests of british british industry, british jobs tackling climate change. The list goes. On thats Michelle Donelan now setting out why the government is now trying to deal with china because, of course, this is going back to when David Cameron was Prime Minister george osborne. Big attempt osborne. Theres a big attempt to with china. I was to deal more with china. I was one the journalists on the one of the journalists on the 747 that went to china 747 seconds that went to china to try and get business deals that ended under Boris Johnson. Liz course liz truss when of course liz truss commons yesterday truss in the commons yesterday saying be saying that china should be recategorized to recategorized as a threat to this country. She rishi sunak is trying bring all back trying to bring that all back into ground and say, into the middle ground and say, look, need to do more to try look, we need to do more to try and trade with china. We cant ignore labour of ignore them, but labour of course their for their part course for their for their part are concerned about it. Lets see Justin Madders had to say. I dont think you should suck up completely ignore up to them or completely ignore them. Ignore them. Them. You cant ignore them. Theyre you know, a massive part of this economy. Whether like of this economy. Whether we like it or not. Theres 140,000 Chinese Students here. We have £100 billion worth of trade. So we have to have open dialogue with them. That doesnt mean that we should not be robust with them when its required, whether its on human rights abuses, whether on security abuses, whether its on security concerns also got to concerns. But weve also got to work them on on issues of work with them on on issues of global concern such as climate change. Yeah , we challenge change. So yeah, we challenge them we have concerns. But them when we have concerns. But but to just completely ignore them, i think would be would be them, i think would be would be the wrong move. So thats justin the wrong move. So thats Justin Madders, the shadow business minister. Of course, labour can say what they like. Theyre not in power yet, but that might change when they do get into power. If as the polls, if the polls are true, because the party is so far ahead in the polls. Christopher, can i ask you about the triple lock . Were heanng about the triple lock . Were hearing it could go up by 8 next rishi sunak being next year. Rishi sunak being told its kept pensioners next year. Rishi sunak being told during kept pensioners next year. Rishi sunak being told during keptcost sioners next year. Rishi sunak being told during keptcost of ners next year. Rishi sunak being told during keptcost of living afloat during the cost of living crisis. What you make about crisis. What do you make about all this . All this . Well , i all this . Well, i think this is the next big political issue in westminster. Theres this triple lock pension says that the triple lock guarantee of the state pension says that the state pension says that the state pension says that the state pension must go up by by either cpi inflation, average wages or 2. 5. Well, were seeing today from the ons that average wages rose by 8. 5 in september. That means theres going to be an increase in the state pension of that number or around that number next year. But is that affordable . William hague, whos the the former tory the whos the former tory leader . Hes a key. A key mentor really for rishi sunak, the Prime Minister hes saying its unaffordable. Asked the prime unaffordable. We asked the Prime Minister on the weekend trip to the 620. Minister on the weekend trip to the g20. He wouldnt to the g20. He wouldnt commit to increasing by the increasing state pension by the triple lock, but he did point out it long standing policy. Out it was long standing policy. So i think this point about whether to support pensioners of course on fixed incomes to try and increase their state pension will become a big talking point for the rest of this week. For the rest of this week. Thanks for the roundup. Appreciate it there from westminster. Meanwhile Home Office Data reveals that since the eu referendum, theres been an eightfold increase in the number of Asylum Seekers being housed in conservative areas. And according to other research , dissatisfaction research, dissatisfaction amongst British Public at the governments handling of immigration is at its highest level since before the brexit vote. Two thirds of people questioned across the country said they are dissatisfied with the way politicians in charge are dealing with the issue. Well, lets go to local government editor at conservative home, harry phibbs. And this is a big problem for rishi sunak because, of course, we know stopping the boats is one five pledges. One of his five pledges. Absolutely. Its crucial for absolutely. Its crucial for him to do it. He he he could still do it. Theres the supreme still do it. Theres the Supreme Court decision coming up in a couple of months on the rwanda scheme. Even if the government lose that, you know, theyve got a big majority in parliament. If parliament wants to push through legislation , can quite legislation, it can quite rapidly. Could do whatever rapidly. So it could do whatever is in of is necessary in terms of repealing human rights act repealing the human rights act or Us Withdrawing from the European Convention on human rights or changing our relationship with the echr. So relationship with the echr. So it would be possible to get those flights going to rwanda. Those flights going to rwanda. Its an uncapped arrangement. Weve with rwanda that weve got with rwanda so that could be done on a substantial scale. I think then if people if Asylum Seekers in france thought right at the moment we want to go to britain because weve got a better deal in britain than we have in france, if they thought, well, very high well, theres a very high probability of going to rwanda, they probably think, wed they probably think, oh, wed rather stay in france. Rather rather stay in france. So i think i think there is still time to do it. But rishi sunak needs to be very, very tough and determined about it. I do needs to be very, very tough and determined about it. I do think that people, when we voted for brexit thought, right, weve now got control of our borders. We can control the amount of immigration wouldnt mean stopping immigration, but certainly that we should have control over it and i think therefore there entitled to look to the government to make use of that power weve got as an independent country. Independent country. What about this argument from sir keir starmer that hes the only one to be able to bring order to the border after europol tomorrow to talk to the authorities about trying to stop the boats himself and then to off canada to talk to people there trying to argue this isnt an issue. Exclusive for the right. Right. Well, hes got no credibility at all. Of course. But but if at all. Of course. But but if the flights to rwanda did start before the general election, as i think they certainly could, i think thats entirely , entirely think thats entirely, entirely possible, then the challenge for the labour party will be to say, are they going to stop those flights . At the moment they seem to be saying that that sending people to rwanda would somehow immoral, as if the people smugglers going over is somehow acceptable. By the way, saw in acceptable. By the way, saw in the times this morning it said people smugglers are tutoring migrants in violence and criminal , migrants in violence and criminal, pulling them into their gangs with offers of cut price deals on Channel Crossings. So thats not exactly providing any reassurance that that just continuing with the status quo of the people smugglers being in business is morally acceptable. So i think if hes if keir starmer isnt backing the rwanda scheme, then he then he would need to come up with something that that that would be a credible alternative. And he hasnt done that very much indeed. Much indeed. Well leave it there right the time now, 9 10, britains newsroom at 9 30. Were 20 minutes away. Heres andrew and bev to tell you what theyre talking about. Good morning. Morning. Both morning. This shocking survey from female nhs workers being sexually assaulted in hospitals. Were going to try and operating theatres sometimes during surgery. Thats right. So were surgery. Thats right. So were going to try and work out what exactly is going on there. Were going to be to talking a surgeon and i think some nhs doctors and lawyers arent we, about this , lawyers arent we, about this, how this could have happened. It makes you think, beverly, were so shocked hearing were so shocked at hearing that. Particularly as andrew that. And particularly as andrew was , the middle of was saying, in the middle of surgery , there were 11 rapes surgery, there were 11 rapes included this as well. Included in this as well. I know. And just wonder , do we know. And you just wonder, do we know. And you just wonder, do we know about it . Because theyve surveyed about it. In other words, does go every words, does this go on in every workplace land . Workplace in the land . Its been a paper, but its very much a male has been very much a male dominated world. Very much. I think that is changing. Yeah. And but some of these female surgeons saying when theyve to their bosses, theyve talked to their bosses, oh, complain, raise oh, dont complain, dont raise it, make a fuss. Oh, dont complain, dont raise it, because make a fuss. Oh, dont complain, dont raise it, because theyrenake a fuss. Oh, dont complain, dont raise it, because theyre about fuss. Oh, dont complain, dont raise it, because theyre about tojss. Oh, dont complain, dont raise it, because theyre about to go and because theyre about to go into a big operation or the operation is underway, they carry because they want carry on because they dont want to unbelievable unbelievable. Disposable vapes, something that we feel strongly about. Anybody teenagers knows anybody with teenagers knows what this what a big issue this is potentially going to be banned here, disposable ones , as they here, disposable ones, as they have been in france. Well be have been in france. Well be talking about that. That immigration and that big Immigration Survey People Survey which shows people are more about the state more fed up now about the state of immigration than before brexit is because theyve lost control borders , legal control of the borders, legal migration the roof , migration through the roof, illegal migration across the channel illegal migration across the channel, roof. Channel, through the roof. Theyve get a grip. Theyve got to get a grip. Andrew, we talk about but andrew, we talk about this time. Theyre not this all the time. Theyre not going to get control of it. Its not going to turn. Im sorry. I cant see any way that they can stop this. Well, i mean, and theyre pinning everything on rwanda and we even know what the we dont even know what the courts going decide that. And even if it does go ahead, its what, 200, and even if it does go ahead, its what, 200, 300 and even if it does go ahead, its what, 200, 300 people . Its supposed act as a deterrent supposed to act as a deterrent and may do other and then they may do other countries, they talked countries, but they talked about an island not an Atlantic Island thats not happening. An Atlantic Island thats not happening a huge an Atlantic Island thats not happeninga huge problem and so its a huge problem and its going really cost the its going to really cost the tories and the taxpayer tories dearly and the taxpayer and taxpayer. Yeah. And and the taxpayer. Yeah. And social cohesion the social cohesion and all the other problems. Just doesnt yeah. The will just doesnt seem there, does it . The seem to be there, does it . The people at the home people who work at the home office perhaps do not think that immigration one immigration is a problem. One might so. So yeah. So were might say so. So yeah. So were going to be talking about that as and going be as well. And were going to be looking joe bidens latest gaffe. What did he what did he what did he do . What did he do . This time . Oh, hes going to stay tuned to watch Eamonn Holmes to watch it. Eamonn holmes announced a press conference. To watch it. Eamonn holmes aanevej a press conference. To watch it. Eamonn holmes aaneve got a press conference. To watch it. Eamonn holmes aaneve got to 3ress conference. To watch it. Eamonn holmes aaneve got to give conference. To watch it. Eamonn holmes aaneve got to give him erence. To watch it. Eamonn holmes aaneve got to give him aence. To watch it. Eamonn holmes aaneve got to give him a hint. Weve got to give him a hint. Im to bed now. Im going to bed now. He actually said he did. Going to bed. Go to bed now the go to bed now and the absolute chaos press absolute chaos in this press conference, couldnt hear conference, you couldnt hear anything all the shouting anything for all the shouting as he off, had to say the he shuffled off, had to say the press over while press conference is over while he mid sentence. He was in mid sentence. Presumably bed. Presumably he was going to bed. Dont know why im laughing i dont know why im laughing at this because hes the leader of the free world. The leader of free world. The leader of the free world. Hes clearly is he . Hes clearly not, is he . The point. Hes thats the point. Hes clearly who is clearly not who is who is running the world puppeteer leader, puppet leader. Its not that. I hope its not that. I hope its not that. Vice president kamala harris, because to hear a lot because no, shes to hear a lot about these days, about her these days, though. No, to be his no, but shes going to be his running next time. Running mate next time. The thing the thing i worry about, joe biden, is many things. But stagger he things. But this stagger that he has walk, i dont know has this this walk, i dont know if you noticed it. I cant walk or i would show you. But or else i would show you. But its know what . You know, its you know what . You know, hes definitely in control hes definitely not in control of his. Of all his. Going to go tumbling hes going to go tumbling oven hes going to go tumbling over. Yeah. Over. Yeah yeah. As is everybody around him. As is everybody around him. Sort clause that says some sort of clause that says they should limit on age or i think needs if im think it needs to be if im allowed to say i think should allowed to say i think it should be under 70 or there should be a cognitive test. Be under 70 or there should be a cogative test. Be under 70 or there should be a coga cognitive test. Yeah. A cognitive test. Yeah. A cognitive test. Yeah. That would do it. That would do it. There shouldnt need to be, should there just should there . There should just be in the be enough sensible people in the world is. World as it is. There is a population of so there is a population of 330,000,000in the states and thats theyve got. Thats what theyve got. Okay, really pleased to okay, guys, really pleased to see and a good show see you and have a good show from nine. After the break, from half nine. After the break, we are talking about Suicide Prevention. This Suicide Prevention. This is Suicide Prevention week. Loneliness, prevention week. Loneliness, loneliness. If youre lonely, if loneliness. If youre lonely, if youve experienced loneliness , youve experienced loneliness, it can be a big killer. Find out why after the number of suicides in this country is absolutely depressing, as is the lack of Mental Health care for so many people. But the government has pledged a new prevention strategy during this Suicide Prevention week. And we talked prevention week. And we talked to psychotherapist now, lucy beresford, about this. And with beresford, about this. And with suicide and its hard. I mean , suicide and its hard. I mean, in Northern Ireland, we see it all. You know, its so high and its amongst young males, but thats not necessarily the same pattern everywhere. It can affect different age groups and sexes and whatever. Yes. And this new strategy that the government announced yesterday addresses some really big subsections of society , big subsections of society, middle aged men in particular are very, very at risk of taking their own life. But also people who have gambling addiction, people whove been through the prison services, new mums or people who are pregnant and there is a whole package of measures and lots of new funding and funding for existing support services. Are we just are we recognising this more or is it on the up . On the up . Its a bit of both. I think were definitely easier about talking about it. And one of the things that the pandemic left us with was this chronic epidemic around loneliness and that is one of the things i wanted to mention today, is because we do have a minister for loneliness in stuart, andrew do we . Yeah. And who hes spoken out actually, hes spoken on my podcast on the couch about his role. And one of the ways in which he feels he can give back to society because he himself has felt very lonely in his early years, but also as an mp. I think were better at talking about it. But the one thing were not very good at and sajid javid wrote so movingly about this at the weekend, is we dont reach out to the people we love and the people in our families. And for himself, his brother took his own life. Its just very quickly we dont really talk about people killing themselves or committing suicide any longer because it isnt a crime , but taking their own crime, but taking their own life. Its a very desperate place to be. And a lot of people look as if theyre functioning. They look as if they theyre on top of worth their lives and they know what theyre about. But actually underneath that, theyre struggling. They theyre really struggling. They dont let you know dont want to let you know theyre if we theyre ashamed of that. If we can encourage each other can somehow encourage each other to each other, weve to talk to each other, weve lost soft skills through lost those soft skills through the pandemic. What does talking do . Why would talking difference . . I it . It suddenly makes you feel that youre not alone. Because i think its that overwhelm of believing that youre the only one going through Something Like this. Youre the only one experiencing the intensity of that pain, and also the sense that pain, and also the sense that you dont see any other way out. That if you actually open up to someone else and listen , up to someone else and listen, it takes a lot to do that to be vulnerable enough to say to your own loved ones, im really struggling here. Yeah. And look, if you if you are struggling and were sitting here isabelles here talking, isabelles got a number here for the samaritans, you can call them day or night. 365 days a year on 1161, two, three. Or if you prefer, rather than speak to them, you can email. Itsjo than speak to them, you can email. Its jo at samaritans. Org. Org. Or you can visit their website or indeed you can just go to their nearest branches. Loads of support out there. And samaritans the leading samaritans are the leading charity when it comes to these things. One of the things im doing in in october is im doing a fundraiser in huddersfield in the town hall there for a voluntary Charity Platform , one voluntary Charity Platform, one theyre called, and they they have two rail carriages and they cancel for free people who need all this because as lucy the help is not there and the nhs, i mean an overstretched nhs and they just cant deal with this tsunami of pressure thats very true. But there are definitely other resources sources that arent attached to the nhs that arent attached to the nhs that arent accessible through gps but are accessible in other ways. As you say, there are lots of voluntary groups, lots of charities that are dealing with people with autism , people with people with autism, people with gambling addiction, people with other compromising conditions that are making life feel really difficult. Citizens Advice Bureau area groups near me in west minster, a place called the listening project. But listening project. But unfortunately, you do have to kind of google these things and try and i think its the signpost thing thats the weakest area of the governments initiatives is that we dont know that there is all this support and help out there. We imagine, oh, its always about trying to get a therapist and theres years waiting list theres a years waiting list theres a years waiting list there of other ways and there are lots of other ways and lots other means of lots of other means of connecting with people. We come into this world physically joined to another human being. Thatis joined to another human being. That is our template of safety and security. And when you ask and security. And when you ask me, why is it so important to talk, its because thats the thing that makes us feel so alive and connection. And thats why the lockdown is were so crucifying to peoples Mental Health and they didnt take that into account. They took other things into account. The government in thinking about protecting society. But what protecting society. But what they missed out on was what would that do to peoples sense of connectivity . Well, they problems well, they say problems shared is a problem halved. Theres lot of truth in that. Theres a lot of truth in that. And thank you for and lucy, thank you for explaining of that on this explaining all of that on this Suicide Prevention and Suicide Prevention week. And yeah , if you are at home yeah, if you are at home listening or watching to this, lots of support out there available, as you say, through the samaritans lots of other the samaritans and lots of other really charities. Really great charities. For watching today. Thanks for watching today. Well be back top of the morning tomorrow from 6 00. Have yourselves good day. Yourselves a good day. The temperatures rising. The temperatures rising. Boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Good morning. For many , good morning. For many, theres a bit of a cooler feel around at the moment with some rain across parts of england in particular and also the risk of a Little Thunder later. Taking a look, first thing and yes, a cloudy, wet start across this central slice of england into southwest england as well through the morning. Some of that across parts of that rain across parts of lincolnshire east anglia lincolnshire into east anglia could quite persistent could be quite persistent and heavy meanwhile, in heavy at times. Meanwhile, in the high humidity the far southeast, high humidity could for some heavy, could allow for some heavy, perhaps even thundery downpours to develop as we go into the afternoon scotland afternoon whilst across scotland , northern and wales. , Northern Ireland and wales. A brighter , just brighter picture, just a scattering of showers though most highs most places avoiding these highs lower recently, but could lower than recently, but could get to around 24 or 25 celsius in the south east through the end of the day, were to going continue to see a quite cloudy, wet picture parts of the wet picture across parts of the southeast. Will southeast. That rain will gradually as we go gradually clear away as we go through the night. Otherwise quite a good deal of clear skies and slack flow this and a slack flow under this slack flow. Temperatures are slack flow. Temperatures are going to take of a dip. Going to take a bit of a dip. A real contrast to last week. Some real contrast to last week. Some places parts of scotland places across parts of scotland could freezing, could get close to freezing, perhaps touch of grass, frost, perhaps a touch of grass, frost, maybe even a localised air frost, perhaps. First thing on wednesday morning, then cloudy to the southeast. To start off in the southeast. Any clear away quite any rain will clear away quite quickly. Otherwise lot of dry, quickly. Otherwise a lot of dry, bright, sunny weather through a good of morning. But good chunk of the morning. But then things turn wet and windy from the northwest we go into then things turn wet and windy fron afternoon 1west we go into then things turn wet and windy fron afternoon duet we go into then things turn wet and windy fron afternoon due to we go into then things turn wet and windy fron afternoon due to awe go into then things turn wet and windy fron afternoon due to a deep into then things turn wet and windy fronafternoon due to a deep area the afternoon due to a deep area of pressure thats going to of low pressure thats going to arrive later. A cloudy arrive later. 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