passes the sniff test, but it's one thing to say i'm going to ukraine on behalf of my client, it's another when he's interfacing with kirk volker and the machinery of american foreign policy and still when he's talking to omb -- i mean there's no possible justification for him to be interacting with omb. >> this explains in my view why they were willing to take the hit on the defiance. this report lays out worst that nixon immeasurable ways in obstructing the probe. the only two presidents who have ever actually been impeached because nixon left beforehand, johnson and clinton faced articles on obstruction in congress. donald trump has doubled down on both of those things. he is smarter than the reality show star he sometimes plays on tv. it might be because letting these people testify, giuliani