during the four years he was in the oval office. second, most important, this hotel was losing millions of dollars. any time a financial fraud investigator sees a business that's losing money, they think two words. money laundering. think about the pizza shop on the corner where it's not really a going concern, they don't care if they lose money. but it is a way to get cash in and cash out. that's money laundering. i would be wondering if i was investigating this whether or not the losses in the hotel were designed to conceal other financial transactions by the trump organization. they didn't care if they made money at that hotel, they just wanted that mean cleaned up. >> that's interesting. we have also learned since trump left office that the mueller probe -- andrew weismann writes mueller never looked at his finances. the "new york times" has investigated his financing. david has been on the beat for years now. we really don't know. i mean it is still an very opaque picture. i wonder if you think this investigation might open all