some will say the ukrainian military is outmanned and outgunned by the russians. what do you say about that? >> fighting for this land because that's my modeling. >> reporter: so waiting to fight and to die. they might have to but a lot of the experts i was talking to said these regular soldiers probably wouldn't have to fight in the same way. the fact is that everybody is expecting that if russia does decide to invade they will overwhelm the conventional forces of the ukrainian military and it's really going to have to go to something like we've seen before, an insurgency led by the military but probably involving a few civilians against a russian sustained occupation in