people today are thee simple things. the cost of gas, bread, milk, things like that, and the fact they look to washington and what do they see? chaos. nothing getting done. that's beyond party. that's incompetence. >> with so much of it also having to do, as you said, with culture. you know, jonathan lemire, the famous 1992 sign-up in clinton campaign headquarters, it's the economy, stupid. right now, a macro look at the polls would suggest it's covid, stupid. but you really cut down. you go in deep. you try to figure out what drives a lot of these voters to vote for donald trump. economically, they're disadvantaged by his policies. it's the culture, stupid. you keep hearing about abortion because in republican politics, not only has conservatism been