so the covid confusion, short alks and disruptions are on top of one another. from hospitals to schools, workplaces, airports. what should the administration's current strategy look like? and what powers do they actually have legally and politically? well, the supreme court is going to let us know soon. with me now is our own carol lee outside the white house. ken is outside the supreme court. the hearings are still going on. we have professor of bio ethics and a co-director of case western's law medicine center. carol, i want to start with you, because you know, another day and a sort of i don't want to call it mixed messages, but sort of -- it does seem the white house and the president is trying to straddle a fence of they're going to pivot to a learn to live with covid strategy, but he doesn't want to sound like he's totally given up on ending this pandemic. >> well, chuck, from the president's perspective, or the white house's perspective