order. he personally will be a pariah, i think, for rest of his time in government. that's most certainly my hope, too, by the way. i also think on the economy, it's not going to come back right away unless they capitulate, unless they withdraw now. the more of the scenes you're showing right now, killing children, innocent children, mariupol, and remember, 30% of the population of mariupol are ethnic russians. he's killing russians. >> his own people. >> in mariupol. so the more that happens, i think the less likely it is that mr. putin will ever be welcomed back into the internationalen community. >> as we know, he already has used chemical weapons, whether it's on assassinations or what we've seen in other places. ambassador mcfaul, newsy day. thanks for coming and bringing us your reporting today as well and your expertise. >> yep. thank you. still to come, where russian troops are and where they aren't