that day in front of the nadler committee as the low point for the democrats' effort? >> it was -- so the short answer is nothing prevents any of these witnesses from testifying, right? the fact that the administration has asserted a privilege way beyond anything that the law supports. >> yeah. >> just an absolute -- congress has no oversight over us. >> you've been saying that from the beginning. >> it's just astounding. but particularly when they're leaving the administration, the administration really can't stop them as private citizens from doing what they want to do, if they choose to do the right thing. they certainly -- if a court gets a hold of this, it's very hard to imagine a court that doesn't compel their testimony. the lewandowsky example was a low point because he wasn't even ever a member of the administration. he was never an employee of the white house. he was a campaign employee. he was a private citizen.