>> the speaker would love for us to have an agreement and have a vote. and that's why she's keeping the possibility open. she's very appropriately deferential to the president of the united states. but she'll see if the votes aren't there, which i don't expect them to be, she'll say, okay, how do we negotiate and get everyone on the same page? we'll work with the president to negotiate. but i think she's not used to this. lawrence, you know, because you've been in the senate, it's highly unusual for a first-term senator to come in, forget having their own agenda, defy the president of the united states, defy 99% of her colleagues and the majority leader and the speaker, i've never seen anything like that. >> thank you very much for starting off our discussion. >> thank you. >> joining us now, democratic congresswoman katie porter.