gonna work. because again you have a group of people who have been putting their tendrils inside of their communities for a long, long time. covid was their opportunity and they -- anti-vaxxers have all said it. they use this as an opportunity and they took it. so, they are an insurgency. they are embedded in your da's, school boards, coffee groups, knitting circles. and that is how this message spread. so, there's no way at this point to combat that idea or that movement. it's just hard. >> it's hard when people are talking about doctor oz, who's no running for senate in pennsylvania. at one point was telling people that vitamin c was the way they were going to get over covid, right? and it's hard when people are telling you that your epsom salt bath is going to and vaccinate you. but taking vitamin c and about him absence holt isn't going to hurt you. smearing your baby with arsenic