Good evening from knoxville, im chris hayes. Breaking news from the middle east. Frankly welcome news. Where the United States and the United Nations have announced a 72hour ceasefire to the war in gaza. The pause follows increased pressure from the white house and a widening sooirzly leaders over the mounting tally of civilian casualties in gaza among palestinians in the war. Well have more on how this deal happens and what happens next. First, total chaos on capitol hill today. It is possible to advise all members that its possible to have votes later today. I am hopeful that by late this afternoon, well be able to notify the time of it. Will the the house will be in order. New Majority Leader Kevin Mccarthy apparently with his very, very young new chief of staff suggesting possible further votes on a day when at one point it was entirely unclear whether the house would vote at all on the issue about which its republican majority has been railing for a month. A humiliating day for Speaker John Boehner who once again found himself with an utter lack of control over his own caucus. A vote that had been scheduled today for a vastly pared down border supplemental bill to address the humanitarian crisis at the border was scrapped. The reason it was scrapped, ted cruz. Last night we reported to you that senator cruz had, as he has before, most notably during the shutdown huddled with members of the House Republican caucus. Crews urged house colleagues not to vote for the supplemental unless it included that had removed the threat of deportation for hundreds of thousands of people who had been brought to this country as children and who were, in the president s words, american in every single day but on paper. Cruz caucus doesnt see it that way. The House Republican leaderships bill was in serious jeopardy. I think there will be a respectable number of members that will vote no on the leaderships bill. I think it was fairly unanimous, the viewpoint that was in the room. People were not happy with the bill that house leadership has. The pizza was very good. Pizza and dr. Pepper. As of about who hours ago, the house leadership did not have the 218 votes needed to pass the legislation based on everything ive seen. We do these every few weeks where we sit down and talk about the challenges facing this country. Im couraged and i think it is likely the house is going to vote on the bill to eliminate president obamas authority to grant amnesty. Faced with yet another revolt from the republican right flank, speaker boehners plan by this morning was to hold two votes. Okay . First, the aforementioned 659 million border bill and then to appease the caucus and the ted cruzzers, a bill by congresswoman Marsha Blackburn that would defund any further daca applications as well as any attempt by president obama to extend work permits. Since that second bill would never be passed by senate, it would largely be a symbolic vote. Thats what boehner had the second bill well vote on today will make clear the houses position. No more unilateral action by the preside president. In my view, doing something is better than doing nothing. The crisis on the border is going to continue until the president acts, but hes clearly not going to act. That means the congress has to act. Okay. So thats the plan. Two votes, right . We throw you a bone, you tea party folks, well defund daca and also vote on this border supplemental. Now, had they held those two votes as originally attended, democrats would have characterized the debacle as the democratic leader did this morning. Again, if that bill were not bad enough, theyre saying to those members, unless you vote for this terrible bill, if you dont think its terrible enough, youre not going to get a chance to tie the president s hands when it comes to using his discretion and executive authority. But even that, even those two votes, even throwing the bone was not good much for the hardliners. Suddenly this afternoon the border supplemental bill was pulled entirely. We need to find an answer and people need to get together so its very disappointing that we didnt come together as a congress to address this issue. At that point, it looked like the house was planning to leave at the end of today for recess, leave town, having not voted on the bill that they, themselves, had crafted to address the problem they say is urgent and pressing. And when they realized how terrible that looked, the House Republican conference met at 3 00 in the afternoon emerging with a decision they would not recess today and will conference on tomorrow, monday morning, at 9 00 a. M. To discuss the border bill. Who knows what happens in the next 24 hours and just now, in the other chamber, Senate Republicans blocked 2. 7 billion border bill backed by most democrats. Joining me now, congressman joakim castro, democrat from texas. Congressman, what is going on down there . Well, its been a tough day, chr chris. The country has been looking for congress to be partner in governance to the country and this week in doing something about the humanitarian situation going on on our southern border. Unfortunately, republicans both in the senate and the house blocked legislation to do anything about it and so its been a bleak day. Perhaps we can pass something tomorrow. Its clear that the department of Homeland Security needs the resources in order to deal with this situation. So im hopeful we can still do something before we leave town. Part of the reason this part of the reason they had to yank the bill was that in previous instances in which john boehner has alienated the Tea Party Caucus with a piece of legislation, hes found the makeup votes. My understanding is Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi was whipping against this bill because she says its inhumane and totally insufficient and spends 2 3 of the money on Border Security which really isnt the problem. Thats right. You know, many of us believe that these kids are refugees and should be treated as such and most of all we should not repeal the 2008 law because they should have their chance in court, due process to make their case for asyl asylum. Reuters reported in a poll yesterday that show 7 o of americans agree the kids should have their day in court. On many other issues, republicans are nowhere near where the overwhelming majority of American Opinion is, so theyve moved forward not only to repeal the 2008 law, but also to make changes to daca and i think its also clear if you have a republican majority in the senate, and in the house next january, they will not only repeal the 2008 law, but they will repeal the existing daca law. That seems to be the position right now. The republicans have coalesced around which is a prodeportation position on immigration. Meanwhile, the senate has gone on recess. They havent passed their side of it. So nothings getting done out of this congress before the august recess. And that leaves the problem still in texas. And filling that vacuum are militia members who are now patrolling the border. All members of the Texas Democratic delegation, yourself included, called on attorney general greg abbott to denounce militia groups along the border and clarify the jurisdiction the groups have to patrol alongside Law Enforcement and Border Patrol agents. In the absence of federal action, are we going to see more of this kind of vigilante action down in the state of texas . Unfortunately, when theres a void in leadership by government, youre going to see this kind of lawless action where militias with semiautomatic weapons, vigilantes, are going down to the border, have these strike teams or units now. The leader of that group has said that the way you keep immigrants out of the border is point a gun at their head and threaten to shoot them. These folks are now on the border wearing ski masks and carrying semiautomatic weapons and whats very unfortunate is the leadership in texas, both rick perry and the attorney general, greg abbott whos running for governor, have refused to denounce this kind of action. Theyve remained silent on these militias and thats just made the problem worse. So then what what next here, congressman . Well, you know, i know that earlier my friend Henry Cuellar mentioned us getting together and come to some sort of compromise. Its imperative that congress not be a bystander to governance, that we actually get something done. Unfortunately, today has been emblematic of this term in congress. Its been the least productive term in congressional history so far. So, you know, i think the speaker has a few choices here. He can do what he did with the violence against women act and Hurricane Sandy relief which was to work with democrats to find some reasonable middle ground, or he can continue to be beholden to a group of people who quite frankly dont care for him very much and are going to keep moving further and further to the right the more you let them. That is the group thats led by ted cruz. If you keep trying to please that small faction of people who are incredibly influential, but a small faction of people, then youre probably not going to see anything happen until, perhaps, september. The problem is the money is running out over at dhs. It is. Congressman Joaquin Castro of texas. Thank you so much. To make todays leadership debacle all the more humiliating for the House Republican leadership, today was the first day of their new Leadership Team. As now former majority leader eric cantor exited that role with congressman Kevin Mccarthy replacing cantor, and Steve Scalise replacing mccarthy as majority lip. Joining me, christina belanoni, editor in chief of roll call. I sat in front of this camera night after night for a month or more and played tape of republicans in the house railing against the president being awol. He didnt go to the border, he doesnt care about this. Hes going to go to texas and not go to the border. He has to do something, he has to step up. When is he going to take responsibility . Now theyre going to go on recess having not passed their own bill . Well, theyre not, and i think thats what youve laid out there is exactly the reason why lawmakers are tells our roll call reporters tonight theyre going to work through the night, going to get this de dealt with, if they need to stay through the weekend, they will. Consider the high drama of this day. I mean, this happens every time theyre about to adjourn for a long recess. This is five weeks where they go home to campaign. We are 96 days out from the elections. And youve got members of congress who are prepared to head home thursday afternoon thinking this would be no big deal. Then they realize, oh, man, this looks really bad for the exact reason you just laid out. Theyre forced to stick around. Democrats dont want to do john boehner or the new Leadership Team any favors. Meanwhile, in the senate side, youve got senators who are actively trying to kill house legislation. Not just this. I mean, they have this huge fight over the Highway Trust Fund bill. This was a day of really intense drama and tension, and by the way, eric cantor gave this very nice im leaving speech and talked about bipartisanship and the importance of working together. This is congress. Well, its also, i means frankly its a massive humiliation for the leadership on their first day. I mean, they got rolled once again and yot outplayed. It reminds me of the shutdown. John boehner was coming there every day sayi ining we dont wa shutdown. We dont want a shutdown. Meanwhile, ted cruz is whipping the house and we saw what happened and saw what a political disaster it was and now theyre going to try to rerun this, theyre going to allow him to do this 96 days before the election or almost do. Its pretty astounding. It is. Its really when you consider its a very small group of people that are controlling the strings here, they need 218 votes to pass legislation. If they dont work with democrats, that means they can only afford to lose between 30 and 40 of their republicans. Well, they tend to lose those on major votes, so when you think about in, you know, not just last summer, or last fall with the government shutdown, but in 2011, the Tea Party Class of 2010 stood up and said were not going to raise the debtperiled. When you have leadership forced to pull a bill off the floor saying they dont have the votes. They told reporters today they had 214 of the 218 they needed. That is really embarrassing. And by the way, its really important to point out that all parties tend to do this where they are waiving every single transparency rule that they set in place on themselves. The republicans said we would have three days to look at legislation. They had a meeting at 6 00 p. M. Tonight, barley got any notice, saying were going to waive this so we can consider this sameday legislation tomorrow. Again, how many times have we seen the tape of people saying, who read the Health Care Bill . Nobody is going to read this bill either. This is 659 million, you know, to spend here. Its congress at its most dysfunctional. Right ahead as nancy pelosi pointed out today, this is vigt when voters are starting to Pay Attention for the midterm elections. Theyve also backed themselves into a corner. They are now coalescing now as a party around a deportation message. I think that is just poison for them. It was one thing after 2012 when everyone thought they were going to get onboard for comprehensive immigration reform, Senate Passed it, they sort of slowly backed away from it. Now its not just that theyre not doing anything on comprehensive immigration reform. Its a prodeportation message thats a leading message of the Republican Party on immigration. Thats the message thats coming through. When you talk to rank and file republicans, the majority of them dont actually feel that way, and really when you talk to them even privately, a lot of them do actually favor comprehensive reform, but they understand that its putting lawmakers in tough positions to force them to vote on a broad bill. I mean, dont forget this congress started with a republican retreat where they put out immigration principles that werent the senatepassed bill, but very closely resembled that senatepassed bill. Thats one of the reasons eric cantor got himself in trouble in that june 10th primary. And so you really have seen this dramatic electionforced shift, and with the backdrop of 2016 as well, this is difficult for the Republican Party right now. Christina bellantoni from roll call. Always a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. Breaking news to report tonight. A 72hour humanitarian ceasefire in gaza was announced a few hours ago. Well have the very latest, ahead. Thank you daddy. Military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa Auto Insurance can be one of them. If youre a current or former military member or their family, get an Auto Insurance quote and see why 92 of our members plan to stay for life. Live in the same communities that we serve. 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Late breaking news tonight out of gaza. Within the last few hours, secretary of state john kerry and the u. N. Announced that israel and hamas have agreed to implement an unconditional 72hour humanitarian ceasefire set to begin tomorrow morning at 8 00 a. M. Local time. It is a lull of opportunity. A moment for the sides, the dimpb different factions to be able to come together with the state of israel in an effort to try to address ways to find a sustainable ceasefire. After the ceasefire begins, israeli and palestinian delegations will travel to cairo to take part in negotiations, mediated by egypt. U. S. Will also send a delegation. Senior u. S. Government officials says the u. S. Expects hamas to be part of the palestinian delegation but the u. S. Will not sit across the table from hamas. The ceasefire agreement comes after pressure from the white house and a widening gulf between the u. S. And israeli leaders over the horrific tally of civilian casualties during the operation. Casualties in gaza that even led to a very rare rebuke of the Israeli Military from the pentagon today. A spokesman saying there, civilian casualties in gaza have been too high and its become clear that israelis need to do more to live up to their very high standards of protecting civilian life. Joining me now, Andrea Mitchell, chief Foreign Affairs correspondent for nbc news, host of Andrea Mitchell reports on mns. Three weeks into this, andrea, there have been numerous ceasefire proposals floated, some by egypt and the u. S. Rejected by hamas. Some floated by hamas, rejected by israel. What changed today to bring this about . There are a couple of things that make it a little more promising, and i am very very cautious in my optimism. As john kerry said, this is no time for celebration or joy, but for deliberative work. And theres a lot of work to be done. But this time, its a ceasefire in place, and israel has made considerable gains in getting at those tunnels. So they dont have to back out of their forward positions. They can continue trying to destroy the tunnels, but it basically does protect the people of gaza from the horrific air attacks that theyve been having, and will stop the rockets similarly from firing into israel proper. So the air war will be on hold if this holds, and there will be talks and the talks will include a palestinian delegation in cairo that as you pointed out will include hamas. Its been endorsed and brokered by qatar and turkey, thanks to Mahmoud Abbas from john kerry and thanks to the state department in qatar and turkey as well. Egypt is the host. Kerry is not taking a lead role by going himself. He is going to be flying home from india. Hes sending a smaller lower level negotiation and will join if theres something to celebrate later on. Part of the Sticking Point thus far that hamas has insisted that a ceasefire must be tied to the end of a blockade, the opening, for instance, of the raffah border crossi icrossing. The lifting of, frankly, siege, gaza has been under for seven years. Israel from their perspective doesnt seem to have much interest in that, so how does that nut get cracked . Thats for them to decide a the negotiating table. What is interesting here is that hamas has agreed to this without getting a lift of the blockade. That is what they are to determine. This is actually what was offered days ago when neither side, first israel accepted, hamas didnt, then there was a flury of activity and disagreemen disagreements back and forth. Hamas is not getting anything more than it had been demanding days ago. Israel is getting a forward position on the tunnels, and more time to have limited the tunnels. The only thing has happened in the intervening days is that so many people have died, been wounded or been made homeless. Andrea, youve covered this conflict for a while, and it strikes me that something significant has happened over the last weeks, week, particularly, in divergence between how the Israeli Government and israeli public with overwhelming support the action feel about this, as justified and as necessary to root out hamas terrorists. And the way the white house, and i think certainly international community, but a lot of americans increasingly just are seeing picture after picture of the most horrific carnage of innocent civilians, children. The gap between those two is as wide as ive ever seen it. I wonder if you feel the same way. Well, with a few caveats because the last poll i saw was last monday and there was still significantly more american support for israels position by a wide margin than support for hamas. So, israel still has american support. Certainly american Political Support in congress. What has changed really is in the administration, the administration has really become terribly concerned and aggravated with israel and you see the tension between kerry and israeli officials which is expressed in the israeli media. The annoyance, the statements from the white house today, from the pentagon today. Interestingly, though, youre hearing silence from a lot of the arab leaders. The arabs are not standing up and criticizing israel. Theyre not coming to the defense of hamas. They seem more wary of a threat from hamas than of a threat from israel. When i speak after the arabs, i mean cairo and also what youre hearing from the uae and saudi arabia is silence. Other than qatar and turkey, hamas does not have any partners. Yeah, its been a tremendous and fascinating shift postarab spring to see basically egypt and israel and saudi arabia all aligned essentially on the same page on this operation. 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Workers are protesting outside the Market Basket grocery chain in the hopes of, wait for it, getting their boss back. In the day in age when ceos make 331 times what an average worker does, Market Basket employees are willing to put their jobs on line in order to get their former ceo reinstated as ceo of the company. I dont want to work for anybody else. Like i said, ive been here 32 years. Hes given me everything for me and my family. Nobody else would do that. Last month, after a shift of allegiance on the companys board, arthur t. Demulas was ousted in a shakespearian coup. Arthur t. As the boston globe pointed out was generous enough that Market Basket managers and supervisors can easily make it into six figures. Profit sharing, so much so in 2008 when one of the funds in which the Profit Sharing money was invested suffered a quarterly loss, arthur tvm says he insisted the company immediately make up a loss to his employee employees account. Arthur s. Once reportedly sought a 1. 5 billion payout to shareholders on top of what shareholders had already received over the last decade. According to the boston globe arthur s. Discussed a sale of his familys stake in Market Basket with private Equity Company cerebrus Capital Management in 2011. Fears that losing arthur t. Will lead to ruthless corporate efficiency. They took out a fullpage ad in boston papers about a job fair next week, sending a clear ultimate tum to Market Basket employees who walked off the job, returned to work on monday, or will begin hiring other people. Joining me, tom treanor, he was fired after helping lead the protest movement. Tom, why were you willing to walk off the job for your boss . Because hes a great man to work for, and i know without him, Market Basket as we know it no longer will exist. What exactly makes it so great . What exactly makes it worth the risk that all these employees are taking on . First off, hes a great businessman. Second of all, hes a great human being. He knows people. Hes more comfortable walking through a store and talking through his customers and associates than he is sitting in his office. The boston globe calls arthur t. The good arthur and arthur s. The good arthur. I liken it to its a wonderful life with George Bailey and mr. Potter. Mr. Potter has two sisters and a sisterinlaw as shareholders and theyre whats holding up the sale of the company now back to arthur t. So the company could be sold and it would be sold possibly to private equity and there are a bunch of grocery chains that are owned by private equity. What do you think would happen to Market Basket in the hands of a private equity owner . Prices would rise. Profit sharing profits and wages would probably be cut all in the name of profit. Arthur t. Cares more about people than he does private, and the customers, we have 2 million customers a week. Are solidly behind us. They boycotted the store and theyve really taken over this movement that me and a few other people started. Theyve taken over this movement and theyre boycotting our stores. How did they tell you you were fired . I was sitting on my front porch, july 20th, on a sunday night with my wife and my youngest daughter and a courier pulled up to the driveway and handed me an unsealed manila envelope. Inside was my termination orders and a no trespass order. And did they say why . In the newspapers the next day they said disruptive behavior, but they never told me, never looked me in the eye and told me i was terminated nor did they even phone call me. And how long have you worked for Market Basket . 41 years. Its a company i grew up. 41 years. Yep. Started at 14 bagging groceries like everybody in our company. Its a culture. You promote from within. Everybody has the opportunity to go as high as they possibly can go as long as they work hard, do their jobs, stay loyal. Its a Great Company to work for. I went to work every day loving my job until june 23rd. Do you think this is going to work . I mean, right now it looks like theyre trying to bring the hammer down. That fullpage ad was sending a pretty clear message it seemed to me that theyre just going to start firing any troublemakers. Well, this is the third time theyve told us theyre going to fire people. This is the third time theyve told us theyre going to replace people permanently. And the second time that theyve offered amnesty to employees. You know, theyre saying theyre looking for store managers and assistant managers. Those people are still working. Nobody in the stores has walked off the job. People are out protesting in front of the stores are on their break or on their own time. The stores are still open. The customers are still shopping. But theres just no customers because they support us. So its kind of odd were going to have a job fair for jobs that dont need to be replaced. Do you think you can win this . I mean, can you bring public pressure to bear, a boycott, employee pressure, to essentially effect a change on the board of the corporation you work for or worked for . Its really not about the board anymore and not about the two incompetent ceos we have right now. Its more about the shareholders. We have the a shareholders, arthur s. s side, and the can b shareholders which are arthur t. s. Its a very full and fair offer. Arthur s. Has no overcome his love of money has to overcome his hate for arthur t. Its an incredible story. So you are caught in between the arthur s. And arthur t. Interfamilial fight, and if arthur t. Got it back, you think hed call you up and hire you back . I would hope so. You never know. I stand by my convictions and lets hope that the shareholders, arthurs sisters, and others wake up and do the right thing here. Associates and customers are waiting for their answer. Former Market Basket employee tom trainor, thank you so much. 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Times reporting after the commission issued a subpoena to a media buying firm that counted cuomo among its clients, cuomos most senior aide, lawrence schwartz, called the commissioner cochair and ordered him, quote, to pull it back. Subpoena was swiftly withdrawn. In the wake of the times story, Governor Cuomo has been in damage control mode, defending his offices interactions with the commission. Of course theres going to be back and forth. Its fine. Thats as it should be. Interference is different. Interference means the commission wasnt independent. Their independence was trumped by the second floor. That is false. That same day, several members of the anticorruption panel issued public statements contradicting the times story and defending the governors office. According to new reporting by the times today, at least some of the statements were prompted by calls from the governor or his emissaries. So now the u. S. Attorney for the Southern District of attorney is not happy about it. He sent a strongly worded letter to the members of the commission, now made public, warning against any kind of undue influence by the governors office. To the extent anyone attempts to influence or tamper with a witness recollection of events relevant to our investigation, including the recollection of a commissioner or one of the commissions employees, we request that you advise our office immediately as we must reconsider whether such actions constitute obstruction of justice or tampering with witnesses did it violate federal law. The Moreland Commission is the subject of an active investigation since april. The u. S. Attorneys office has been looking into why it was disbanded nine months early in pursuing some unfinished cases. Governor andrew cuomo may want to watch who he crosses. Joining me, paul butler, professor of law at Georgetown University law center and former federal prosecutor with u. S. Department of justice who specialized in public corruption. I got to say, this is like the Nuclear Weapon version of a warning shot being sent by the u. S. Attorney to write a letter that uses the phrases obstruction of justice and witness tampering is something up. Whats up with the governors in the northeast . First we have christie in new jersey and now cuomo in new york. What the cases have in common is its always the coverup. Its unbelievable that Governor Cuomo, knowing that hes being investigated for witness tampering, would reach out to potential witnesses and try to influence their statement. It kind of makes it look like hes a witness tamper. Now, were a long way from a criminal prosecution in this case. What i dont get with both of these governors is why they skate so close to the line. Right. So, one question here is, when the original reporting, i should say the daily news has done great work on the Moreland Commission as well, the times piece sort of kicked this off. In the reporting, its been unclear if any law was broken. The bigger problem was the political problem of the governor saying we have this commission and theyre going to go wherever the facts take them and it looked like that wasnt the case. Its unclear that there was any basis for any legal infraction. It now looks like if there is a legal problem from the perspective u. S. Attorneys office, hes anything hes done to cover up the story of him having meddled with the commission. Thats right. So the people on the commission are serious professionals. Theyre prosecutors, public servants, even law professors. Theyre not political hacks. So its kind of strange that after Governor Cuomo reaches out to them, they change their stories. They seem to be trying to protect the cuomo administration. Some of them, not all of them, but its the kind of thing that raises red flags with the prosecutor so he almost has to investigate. So going toe to toe with a governor when youre the u. S. Attorney, thats about as high profile a target as a u. S. Attorney can have, and its not something you want to take on lightly. We know in newark, the u. S. Attorney there has opened an investigation into chris christie. Rharar now looks like hes investigating the governor. I mean, can you start Something Like this and not come out of it without someone getting indicted . Well, a prosecutor has a whole arsenal of tools. So prosecuting someone, trying to send them to jail, thats the ultimate. But hes got more mild things that he can do including using the bully pulpit. So this u. S. Attorney is rightly very concerned about this long history of public corruption in new york. He was one of the first people to testify to this Moreland Commission and he said, look, guys, this is the time to do something and go tough, be aggressive, go hard. And what does cuomo do . He disbands the commission. So, of course, the u. S. Attorney is heated. Now, do i think that that means theres going to be some prosecution of the governor . Probably not. Again, i dont see what the case is now, but i think this is saber rattling. This is letting everybody know that he takes this very seriously. Ive been amusing myself today imagining u. S. Attorney setting up an actual prisoners dilemma with governor christie and governor co cuomo in two different rooms. Roll over on the other guy and the first one who talks is the one i let go. Paul butler from Georgetown University law center. Thank you so much. Great to be here. All right. Why are liberals trying to force one of their own off the Supreme Court . Ill tell you, next. So whats this . Check it out. I just saved 15 on Car Insurance in 15 minutes, so i took a selfie to show everyone how happy i am. Really . Because esurance saved me money in half that time. Can i. . Oh you can be in it no need to photobomb me. Hashbrown. Selfie. Yeah. 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Should the Political Climate and consideration of your replacement be factors in your decision . I am still here, and likely to remain for a while. While it is undoubt bli her decision to make, is her decision the best decision for the court . Joining me, laura bassett, political reporter for the huffington post. In the interview with katie couric, were you surprised how forthright she was on that topic . Absolutely. I said before i thought it sounded more like a postretirement interview than a preretirement interview. Ive really never seen her being so candid before. Yeah, she really seemed to be unburdening herself and Supreme Court justices can be often rather cagy when theyre giving interviews. She was definitely not. She wasnt. You know, i think shthat she really did that interview on purpose to come out and say, im not going anywhere. Im still sharp as a tack. Shes recently gotten the nickname notorious rbg. Theyre not calling elena kagan notorious elena kagan. She wrote a scathing 35 page s dissent in the bobby lobby decision. She doesnt seem to be weakening or slowing down and wants to come out and say, look, im not going anywhere. Part of this is after Justice Stephens retirement, shes taken on the role of captain of team liberal on the court. The hobby lobby dissent she wrote is formidable. She built the most seen wror and kind of the most forceful of the liberal justices on the cot right now. Theres a question of the basic politics of this. If you care about the outcomes if youre a Supreme Court justice and looking at the political landscape, at some point it has to factor into wrr thinking. Absolutely. If you think back to thur gogoo marsha marshall. He had to retire in 1999 under george h. W. Bush and was replaesed by Clarence Thomas to the right of scalia. Think of how many major Supreme Court decisions would have gone the other way if marshall had been able to wait two years and retire under clinton. So if ginsburg really does care about these causes shes been fighting for for so long, you would think it would be a really big deal for her to retire under a president who would replace someone who was equal to her in terms of liberalness. Part of the strangeness here, of course, is the actuarial speculation that we all must engage in when considering the court which offering obviously lifetime tenure. They dont have to leave unless theyre impeached which i dont think has ever happened. So, you know, everyones looking and saying, well, you know, these justices are pretty old and obviously Ruth Bader Ginsburg is a cancer survivor and theres something uncomfortable about the political speculation, yet thats the brute packfact of th matter, right . It is the brute fact of the matter and it is uncomfortable. Dont want to look at somebody like Ruth Bader Ginsburg whos sharp as a tack and going strong and say, youre getting old, you should probably shuffle out. It was her who said i think earlier this year, maybe last year, Sandra Day Oconnor retired in 2006 to take care of her husband and she was still healthy and ginsburg, herself, said i wonder if Sandra Day Oconnor regrets retiring so early and i think that is fa factoring into her decision. She doesnt want to be a retired Supreme Court justice. She wants to be a Supreme Court justice as long as her brain can handle it. Yeah. Sandra day oconnor somewhat famously regretted leaving, even talked about citizens united, she said, qugosh, i step away r a couple years and theres no telling what is going to happen. Justice ginsburg has always been very quite independent. Theres this great memo about thenjudge ginsburgs upcoming confirmation hearings to david gergen in the clinton papers. Judge ginsburg views the white houses interests and her interests as being odds of each other, sees it as a stake as presenting her as moderate. She sees her interest of being here, preserving her dignity, and promoting her independence. It looks to me like very little has changed over her time in the court. Laura bassett, thank you for joining us tonight. Thanks for having me. All right. That is all in for this evening. The Rachel Maddow show starts now with Steve Kornacki filling in. How you doing, steve . Good, chris. Thanks to you at home for joining us for the hour. Rachel has the night off. Weve had been unexpectedly dramatic day today on capitol hill. Theres lots to report. We begin with these five lonely microphones waiting by a potted fern in a congressional corridor. Theyre not waiting for the potted fern to talk. This is what is known in reporter land as a stakeout. Reporters today were gathered around waiting for House Republicans to break from their meeting and to Say Something, and in particular, they were waiti waiting for Republican HouseSpeaker John Boehner to Say Something because today was a big day for john boehner. Members of congress, of course, dont spend all that many official days in session anymore as you can see from their calendar. After today, they had no work