Donald trump rolls out his unconstitutional plan to grab guns and stop crime. I would do stop and frisk. I think you have to. As his running mate urges americans to move on. This talk, this talk about institutional racism and institutional bias. And the shockwaves of charlotte and tulsa reach the nfl. Im saying it straightup, this is wrong and we need to do something. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. Tonight, major developments in the two Police Shootings weve been following for the past week. Charlotte, north carolina, is in a state of emergency at this hour. As a third night of protests is under way. And in the shooting of an unarmed black man in tulsa, oklahoma. There the Police Officer has been charged with firstdegree manslaughter. More on that in a moment. First, these are live pictures of Downtown Charlotte. Last night during the second night of protests following the shooting death of keith scott, another man was shot as police took positions in Downtown Charlotte in riot gear. That man has, according to our affiliate wncc, recently died. We have not yet independently confirmed that. Police say he was shot by another civilian. Theyre reviewing video to make sure none of their officers were involved. During unrest that continued after that shooting, further Property Damage occurred. Police fired tear gas, additional civilians and police suffered injuries most classified as minor. Governor pat mccrory declared a state of emergency about 11 00 p. M. And the National Guard was deployed. Questions about the Police Shooting death of keith scott which triggered the unrest, questions as to whether or not he was armed and if so whether he was pointing his firearm at police coupled with refusal of police to release video of the incident fueled mounting calls for transparency. Today charlottes police chief said he was honoring the request of the scott family to show the video of the shooting to them but bud not release it to the public during the course of the investigation. Theres a difference between disclosure, allowing someone to see it, that would be the party that feels theyve been aggrieved. Thats what im going to do. Release would be to the masses. Thats what im not going to do. What i can tell you what i saw, i was clear when i talked about this before, is the video does not give me absolute definitive visual evidence that that would confirm that a person is pointing a gun. I did not see that in the videos that i reviewed. Wcnc obtained a photo from a witness of what appears to be a gun. The affiliate verified the photo with a Police Source that said it is the gun found near mr. Scotts feet. Issues of transparency are front and center in this case particularly since governor mccrory signed highly controversial legislation in july restricting the release of Police Camera recordings. That law doesnt go into effect until october 1st meaning that restrictions on releasing Police Footage will soon be the new norm in the state of north carolina. When you signed the bill that takes effect in october, going to limit empbl moven more body dashcam video. In a situation like this, wouldnt one frame go a long way into showing whos right and whos wrong. I strongly disagree with your interpretation of the state law so ill let you read the state law. Ive read the state law and i stand by the chiefs comments that he made earlier today. The family of keith scott which has now seen that dashcam video chose not to appear at a press conference today. Through their attorneys expressed frustration at the position of which they find themselves in defending the actions of the victim. The police shot mr. Scott. The police are the Public Servants. Hes a citizen. So this concept of transparency, you know, yes, we want transparency. Yes, we dont create the facts. We live with the facts. Okay . But you cant take the burden that is placed on Law Enforcement and sworn officers and Public Servants and put that on a deceased person or the family whos in mourning. Its my understanding that his wife saw him get shot and killed and thats something that she will never, ever forget. Family of mr. Scott has now released a statement through their lawyers after seeing the video which reads in part when told by police to exit his vehicle mr. Scott did so in a calm nonaggressive manner. Police did give him several commands, he did not aggressively approach them or raise his hands at members of Law Enforcement at any time. It is impossible to discern from the videos what, if anything, mr. Scott is holding in his han hands. When he was shot and killed, mr. Scotts hands were by his side. He was slowly walking backwards. Theyre calling for the videos to be released from the public. Officer Brently Vinson has been placed on paid administrative leave while authorities investigate the shooting. State investigation has also been requested by the local district attorney. Activated under a state law when the victims family prequereque such an investigation. Justice department, fbi are currently monitoring the situation. Now, we turn our attention to tulsa in the shooting there, a death of Terence Crutcher last friday which you see in the video. The Police Officer who fired those shots, that one shot, betty shelby, was charged with firstdegree manslaughter. A warrant has been issued for her arrest. Arrangements are being made for her surrender according to the tulsa County District attorney. Joining me from charlotte, Senior Pastor of mayfield memorial missionary baptist church, naacp and local clergy, is calling for the shooting video to be released. Reverend, first, tell me why you think its important this video be released. Good evening, chris. I believe the video should be released because of the unique circumstances in which it find itself. That is, transparency is so greatly needed because i believe the zeitgeist demands that we Pay Attention to the context in which this particular killing took place. Just hours after Terence Crutcher was killed. Then mr. Scott is killed. But also in the context of a city in which Randall Carrick is tried and was fired but was set free by a hung jury, so in this context, also in a city suffering through the things that charlotte economically is suffering through, that is the middle class and the poor of charlotte, there is a real powder keg happening here and it has begun to explode. I only say begun to explode because the lack of transparency is slowly building the tension in this city. So to the extent that the release of the videos will alleviate that tension, its a really good idea to do so. I want you to respond to an argument that ive seen others make that, in fact, that it would be the opposite. The release of the video would enflame tension. Weve obviously seen two pretty rough nights in charlotte. Last night the devastating news of the death of that man. We have not yet confirmed that independently but at the very least, he was shot. He was on life support. What do you think happens next in that city . What do folks need to make sure we dont have violence like that that we saw last night . Sure. The assumption that releasing the videos would create more violence presumes that one knows whats in the videos. And if we know whats in the videos is damning evidence, then perhaps thats the fear. However, according to the chief, we dont really know whats in the videos. Moreover, to the contrary, notwithstanding, the chief said there were several people, officers at the scene with body cams on that did not have them turned on. So we really dont know what releasing the videos will do. What we think needs to happen next are a few things. Number one, the videos need to be released. That goes without saying. Number two, were calling on the governor, were calling on the city council, were calling on the county commission, were calling on the mayor, were calling on the attorney general of north carolina, to declare where they stand with regard to releasing those videos. And thirdly, we believe that weve spoken to our mayor an this, there needs to be a task force on Police Violence in charlotte that brings together business leaders, clergy as well as Political Leadership on an ongoing basis. And fourthly, we believe that and we have asked for at various levels from federal on down, we have asked for an automatic trigger of an independent investigation of every policeinvolved killing of a citizen of color. Now, we have an investigation going on. An independent one now, appar t apparently, from the fbi. The state bureau of investigation. However, we believe that a department of Justice Civil Rights Division investigation right. Is really what is mandatory in a case like this when the tensions have been so high. Reverend, let me get your response to one more thing. Republican congressman who represents part of charlotte, man by the name of Robert Pittinger offered this theory for why people have engaged in protest and property destruction, some of the other things we s weve seen the last nights. Take a listen. Grievance in their mind is the animus, the anger. Yes, it is, it is a welfare state. We have spent trillions of dollars on welfare, but we put people in bondage so they cant be all that theyre capable of being. Do you believe the cause of the frustration and unrest is the resentment of white people because they are successful and the protesters are now . Well, i know mr. Pittinger and like him very much, however, im very disappointed at his analysis of the situation. I should tell you that having been black in the United States of america for a very long time, none of those things has any presence in reality. Primarily, people are angry and upset because there is the sense in our city right now that we are black citizens, africanamerican citizens, are living in a police state. Under an army of occupation. Not to mention the fact if one looks at the harvard study, whats happened in a city like charlotte, 50 out of 50 major cities in country, upward mobility out of poverty, and if you look at the data, the middle class has been hollowed out, eviscerated in this city such there are the working poor that we clergy meet every day who are working two jobs and three jobs and cannot afford a place to live. And on top of that, now there are these signals that are being sent and africanamericans are not a monolithic, in other words, we are not stupid. We have the ability to analyze the signs of the times. Case in point, we finished meeting with the mayor and the city council about 2 00 this morning and as we got back to our cars, we were accosted by about 50 officers arresting 2 people and told to go home. The pastor of the church was told, get in your car and go home. One of our white colleagues who was there was tapped on his shoulder standing near the arrest and was told, excuse me, sir. All right, reverend this is what contributes. Thank you. Reverend wherry, appreciate your time. I want to look at the live demonstrations happening in uptown charlotte, the third night, of course. See a very peaceful scene right now. It was peaceful last night and then there was gunshots ringing out. Devastating news that a person who was in that crowd was shot. He was on life support earlier today. There are some reports that he has since died. We have not independently confirmed that. Obviously the city extremely tense and on edge. We have confirmed, actually, i should say, that that individual who was shot last night during the unrest in charlotte has died. Police have not named who the person fired the gun is. They say theyre reviewing to make sure none of their officers were involved. They called it a civilian on civilian shooting. I want to bring in my colleague, tremaine lee. What does it feel like on the ground now . Weve been on the ground before and always talk about the calm before the possible storm. Right now here in Downtown Charlotte, relatively quiet but for the whirl of the helicopter above, driving out of the airport, the thnascar hall of fame, you could see guard troops gathering. Behind me, i saw a bus full of what i assume to be National Guardsmen coming in. Its calm at the moment and ive been talking to some clergy who say that theyve been working all day trying to, dealing with the activists in terms of nonviolent protest, figuring out a way to reach the nonviolent protesters, those who have been disaffected. So often we see in various communities where the clergy doesnt have a True Connection to the community. When the mayor stands up and police chief stands up and you have a line of older clergy members talking abo inin ining they dont have that connection here. I was talking to a minister here who said there are silos of group and organizations yet they do have a pipeline to the young people and theyre trying to get their voice. But as weve seen in baltimore, weve seen in ferguson, depending on what the police do, their mere presence can be somewhat provocative. Right. I talked to a number of people who said last night the protesters had been peaceful until they get downtown and see the guardsmen with their riot gear, with their shields and batons and may have sparked unrest. Obviously foolishness unfurled clearly. Again, the concern is the authorities, how provocative will they be and how will they handle the situation tonight, if, in fact we get a large number of protesters like last night. Trymaine lee will be monitoring the situation. Im always glad to have you as a reporting resource. Thank you, trymaine. Appreciate it. Coming up, just four days away from the first president ial debate, Hillary Clinton is taking time off the trail to prepare. Donald trump said hed rather not to be fact checked. What to expect monday ahead. Donald trumps stop and frisk proposal after this twominute break. The east and the west are mine. The north and the south are mine. All seems beautiful to me. Using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework. Wire. And plants needed to give my shop. A face. No one will forget. See what the power of points can do for your business. Learn more at chase. Com ink crooked Hillary Clinton is the most antigun, anti2nd amendment candidate ever to run for office and as i said before, she wants to abolish the 2nd amendment. She wants to take your guns away. For someone who calls his opponent a gun grabber and paint himself as a defender of 2nd amendment, donald trump has an odd proposal to reduce violence in u. S. Cities, take peoples guns away. Hes been talking a lot lately about his vision of life in america cities, places are according to him, quote, you walk down the street, you get shot. Yesterday facing a fox news town hall in cleveland thats set to air tonight, trump was asked by an audience member who he would do about it. Theres been a lot of violence in the black community. I want to know what would you do to help stop that violence, you know, blackonblack crimes. Right. Well, one of the things id do, ricardo, i would do stop and frisk. I think you have to. We did it in new york. It worked incredibly well. And you have to be proactive. I see whats going on here, i see whats going on in chicago. I think stop and frisk. First off, trump is wrong about stop and frisk in new york. Since stop and frisk was phased out after a federal judge declared it it unconstitutional in 2013, crime in new york city has remained at historic lows. This despite predictions from people like trump adviser Rudy Giuliani and others that it would spike. Faced with the media backlash over his comments, trump falsely claimed this morning hed only been asked about chicago. I was really referring to chicago as stop and frichsk. They asked me about chicago. I was talking about stop and frisk for chicago. When you have 3,000 people shot and so many people dying, i mean, its worse than some of the places were hearing about like afghanistan. You know, the wartorn yeah. Nations. Its more dangerous. For a point of comparison, there were 249 significant terrorist attacks last year in kabul, the afghan capital, alone, according to the state department. Also note foxs banner during that segment, gotham city gone wild. As i just mentioned, Violent Crime in new york has not gone up since stop and frisk ended. In fact, it has continued to decline. Falling over 5 in just the last two years according to the nypd. Still, donald trump says stop and frisk is the right tactic for police and knows just how it will work. If they see a person possibly with a gun or they think they have a gun, they will see the person, theyll look and theyll take the gun away. Theyll stop, theyll frisk and theyll take the gun away. And they wont have anything to shoot with. You know, the police, the local police, they know who has a gun, who shouldnt be having a gun. They understand that. Joining me now, vince warren, executive director of the center of Constitutional Rights which filed the Class Action Lawsuit in new york that resulted in stop and frisk being declared unconstitutional. I want to start with this, the 2nd amendment aspect of this then well move along with the 4th. You know, its somewhat you know, here we have a situation right now, you know, as we watch things unfold in charlotte, north carolina, which is an open carry state, theres a question about a gun, obviously, you cant brandish even in an open carry state. You have donald trump saying they know where the guns are, should take the guns away. I mean, starts thinking what exactly is going on here with the reverence to the 2nd amendment then somehow it doesnt seem to apply to certain populations. Yeah. Ive always been challenged by that question, with respect to the 2nd amendment, where people are like, we should have our guns and no one can take them away, unless, of course, theyre black people that have guns then everybody should take them away. In fact, theres a conundrum there. When you think about gun control laws and how they were passed, they were initially passed to keep guns out of the hands of free black people. For that reason, Ronald Reagan in california did not like the panthers with guns on the steps of the capitol. Thats exactly right. Thats a conundrum thats happening. I cant make sense of it. The whole 2nd amendment nra lobby doesnt make sense to me to begin with, frankly. Talk about you know, i think people to hear stop and fric frisk called, people who are constitutionalists in the center right, right of this country, a federal judge in court after hours of testimony flatly declared the way it was implemented in new york was unconstitutional. Yeah, it was a 9 1 2 week trial we did, almost 200 page opinion. It is flatly unconstitutional as it was done by the new York City Police department and as you pointed out, there are two pieces of it, the 4th amendment and ratchet it up to the 14th. The 4th amendment means Police Officers cannot stop and frisk people based upon their race, alone. They cant stop them because they look shady. They cant stop them because they have a hunch. They need a reasonable, articulate suspicion. We had 5 million stops over a number of years in new york and the evidence showed that for the vast majority of them, there was no articulate suspicion. Heres my question to you. Were your crossing your fingers after stop and frisk ended on the Crime Statistics versus some part of you saying, oh, my god, were going to be blamed for this if crime shoots up. Well, i think people were very nervous about that connection. I think at the center for Constitutional Rights we were not because we had done our research and we found that there is no credible report that showed any link between stop and frisk and the crime rate whatsoever. So stop that actually bore out. So if stop and frisk declined, that would have no effect on the crime rate at all which is the opposite of what mayor bloomberg was saying. What i was crossing my fingers about was there wasnt going to be a spike in crime unrelated to any kind of Police Program that people would blame on the decline of stop and frisk. What does it say to you about the moment were at politically that this is what the republican nominee is saying, this is his solution to places like chicago where we really have seen a bad spike in violence, particularly shootings and homicides. I think, you know, the way that i would answer that question is that the idea of stop and frisk is something that people think is a good idea. Even though the evidence demonstrates that it doesnt work. They think its a good idea, even though its racially discriminatory. Day feel like it solves a range of sort of problems that they see that are visible. Whats really happening, i think this is our big challenge in these days, is to match the facts and the statistics to what are good policies. And i think we can see some very good policies around policing that dont involve blanket stopping and frisking of people because theyre africanamerican walking down the street. All right. Vince warren, thanks for your time. Appreciate it. Thanks, chris. Still ahead, mike pence suggests the best way to heal the country in the wake of unrest following policeinvolved shootings is to stop talking about racism. Ill play you what he said after this break. When a moment turns romantic, why pause to take a pill . Or stop to find a bathroom . Cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. Tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. Do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas for pulmonary hypertension, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. Do not drink alcohol in excess. 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Some of trumps allies have gone so far to suggest were it not for barack obama, america would not have a racism problem at all. I dont think there was any racism until obama got elected. We never had problems like this. Im in the real estate industry. Theres none. Now, you know, the people with the guns and shooting up neighborhoods and not being responsible citizens, thats a big change and i think thats the philosophy that obama has perpetuated on america. And if youre black and you havent been successful in the last 50 years, its your own fault. Today in the wake of that interview, kathy miller apologized and resigned as Trumps Campaign chair in ohio. She maintained in an interview with nbc news after her resignation her comments were g not racist. 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You know, the reason these guys are kneeling, the reason were locking arms is to bring people together, to make people aware that this is not right. You know, its not right for people to get killed in the street. I do a lot of community service. I go out there and try to help kids and try to encourage them to be better and to aspire to more, and when you tell a kid, you know, when youre dealing with police, put your hands up and comply with everything and theres still a chance of them getting shot, and no rep cush n repercussions for anyone, thats an unfortunate time to be living. You know, its an unfortunate place to be in. Its not a lot you can tell a kid. Theres not a lot you can try to inspire, inspire a person when you say, hey, we need black fathers to be in the community to stay there for your kids, but theyre getting killed in the street for nothing, for putting their hands on their cars. Thats the unfortunate par, thats the unfortunate place were living in and something needs to be done. So when a guy takes a knee, you can ignore it, you can siay he not being patriotic, not honoring the flag. Im not doing any of those things. Im saying it straight up, this is wrong, and we need to do something. Thank you, guys. Have a blaessed day. The movement sherman referenced kicked off by nfl quarterbacks Colin Kaepernicks silent protest during the National Anthem is growing. Taken up by sherman, players at college, high school, pop warner level, as well as athletes in other sports including u. S. Soccer player Meagan Rapinoe and the wnba fever. The movements that precipitated it keep happening. Two black men killed by police in the past week. Kaepernick who says hes been getting Death Threats is on the cover of the new Time Magazine and has become a National Lightning rod. A poll finding hes become the most unliked player in the nfl, a league in which players accused of rape and other crime are superstars. Fans claiming they would stop watching the nfl in the protests continue. It forced nfl commentators who grapple with issues to weigh in on profound issues of Racial Justice and that has resulted as you might expect in some very hot takes. No matter how passionate you are, no matter how much of a burden you have for a social issue, you dont let it get in the way of the team. And the big thing that hit me through all this was this is a backup quarterback whose job is to be quiet and sit in the shadows and get the starter ready to play week one. 49ers linebacker eli harold said those prompted him to raise a fist in solidarity with his teammate, kaepernick. Joining me now, former wide receiver donte stallworth. I want to get your reaction. Are you surprised by what a kind of powder keg this has been in these first few weeks of this season . No, im not really. And its becoming more of a thing where as you noted earlier that a lot of sports, not just football, professional nfl players, but sports across the spectrum of this country, are actually acknowledging not necessarily the method of what Colin Kaepernick is talking about, but the issues that he raised and that to me has never been at the forefront of this whole spectacle of what hes tried to accomplish and tried to raise, you know, raise awareness for for people as he said, himself, who dont have a voice. If you were in a locker room right now, if you were still in the league and playing, how would you be thinking about what you would do . Because it strikes me how every players got this choice theyve now been presented with, where, you know, in every game, when theyre preparing to do this very difficult, violent thing, which is play professional football, they got to make this choice about what am i going to do . Yeah, its interesting. Its easy for me to say what i would do either way, one way or another. I never looked at what these guys were doing, and a couple of these guys i actually know personally, but i never looked at it what they were doing was, you know, holding contempt for our country or having some type of contempt for our men and women in uniform. To me, that has just been a distraction from what the actual issues are, but as you see, you know, day in and day out, just these last couple days has shown it down in charlotte and also in tulsa where these issues are happening over and over, so the conversation has been, i would say, probably ferguson was one of the bigger issues that really made guys look at themselves and look at each other and say, hey, like whats going on . What can we do about this a . To me, another big thing people arent talking about much is Colin Kaepernick decided to donate 1 million, his first 1 million of his contract to organizations in the bay area, the 49ers have matched that for 1 million and hes also, you know, even though hes the most disliked player in the nfl, hi jersey sales were up to number one, and hes also committed to donating nothose as well. Same thing with brandon marshall, committed to donating 300 every tackle. These guys are not only talking the talk but theyre walking the walk by putting their money where their mouths are. Do you think how do you see fans responding to this . What struck me thats so fascinating about the situation, this is americas pastime at this point. Surpassed all other sports. Its a multibillion dollar busine business. Go through a year, the top rate shows are all primetime football games. You know, people, there are tens of millions of people across the political spectrum who are now confronted with this conversation. Yeah. And thats the biggest thing that Colin Kaepernick wanted to do, he wanted to raise awareness for these issues and unfortunately, we are reminded, begin, you know, with the happenings in charlotte, we are reminded that this is not an issue thats going to go away, unfortunately, until there is some awareness on it. The Justice Department has had all these investigations from cities from baltimore to cleveland to ferguson to albuquerque. So, you know, when you hear the Vice President or hopefully the candidate thats running for Vice President with donald trump say that we shouldnt be talking about, you know, these issues of racism, that just doesnt make any sense to me. And thats another thing that Colin Kaepernick talked about, he described both Hillary Clinton and donald trump as two of the reasons, two more reasons why hes looking at a lot of these issues around the country as the way they are and obviously both donald trump and Hillary Clinton both having issues, you know, with her emails and the other things, donald trump is just a complete mess, so we dont have enough time to talk about him. Thats true. Donte stallworth, thanks for your time. Thanks, chris. Appreciate it. Coming up, well check in on whats happening on the ground in charlotte tonight. Thats next. Ad again [ rear alert sounds ] [ music stops ] just cant wait to get on the road again [ front assist sounds ] [ music stops ] [ girl laughs ] on the road again like a band of gypsies we go down the highway [ beetle horn honks ] no matter which passat you choose, you get more standard features, for less than you expected. Hurry in and lease the 2017 passat s for just 199 a month. 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Happened last night as soon as they told the crowd to disperse for unlawful assembly, that is when they started sending off tear gas and flash bomb grenades. So were hoping that doesnt happen tonight. Chris . All right. Tammy leitner there in charlotte. Like she said, they are dispersing the crowd earlier than they did last night. It was last night after the crowd dispersed when the tear gas that those shots were fired which killed one of the people that was in the group. We still dont have the full details of what went down there. You can see theres about 200 folks assembled again tonight. T trymaine lee talking earlier about how he had spoken to members of clergy who were going to be out tonight. Ive been in a number of these situation and often what ends up happening is a sort of long and protracted negotiation between numerous sides until the crowd fully disperses, but you can tell that there are some folks who dont look like theyre quite ready to disperse. Joining me now from charlotte, National Reporter for the new york times. What are you seeing down there . From what im seeing, just walking over here, there were hundreds of people in the street. The people as far as i can tell have not its not turned violent. Its not whats happening last night. From what i can tell, people are in some ways kind of hoping this night goes a little more peacefully than last night. As you know, last night was kind of it became sporadic and really scary. The idea of that person being shot. So i think people are really in some ways theyre obviously still passionate. The family of keith scott today said that they want people to be out expressing their opinions. They want people to be out talking about the injustices but did ask for people to be peaceful and for them not to break up their own city. I think thats kind of what im seeing. Yeah, last night the news, the news of the shooting last night was really awful, and i wonder if folks feel kind of a hangover from that, a trauma from what happened last night. I think people are definitely feeling trauma from that. I should say i think a lot of people that ive talked to are feeling trauma from a lot of the different shootings. Obviously im here in charlotte and talking about keith scott, but theres also that shooting in tulsa, oklahoma. I talked to that family yesterday for a long time. All these other shootings and all these other hash tags. People are feeling a deep trauma seeing a lot of people be killed and theres a deep trauma because a lot of the cities have gone out and been parts of protests. The idea people are catching their breath from ferguson, the idea we had an American City burn down a few years ago and now this in charlotte. I think some people are carrying that trauma from several years ago. Yeah, do you get a sense in terms of the folks theres sort of been a spectrum of these protests from protests that feel very organized, that feel like theres a lot of sort of Civil Society groups that are there and sort of organizers, there are those who feel much more organic and much more sporadic. Where has this been in terms of that spectrum . I know youve covered a number of these kinds of protests. I think like most protests that ive covered its a mixture of both. Ive talked to some people who i know have come down and are organizers in some ways, professional organizers. They deal with different activists, deal with different organized groups that have 50 c1 those are those who say they want to see whats going to that in the keith scott case and feeling pushed and led to come out and tell people whats going on in their city. Its a mixture of both. Both of them are very passionate. They are, of course, people who in some ways do this for a living, know where to go, know what chants to say and know what signs to put up there. Then there are the people that are feeling very passionate and very upset at whats going on and want to share in that way. Yemiche of the new york times. Thank you. Stay with us. Well be right back. Did you read every word . No, only lawyers do that. So when you got rearended and needed a tow, your Insurance Company told you to look at page five on your policy. Did it say great news. Youre covered on page five . No. It said, blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah. The Liberty Mutual app with coverage compass™ makes it easy to know what youre covered for and what youre not. Liberty stands with you. Liberty mutual insurance. Lets go back to charlotte now where nbcs Gabe Gutierrez is with one of the scott family attorneys, justin bamberg. Gabe . Reporter hi there, yes. Speaking with justin bamberg, one of the attorneys for the scott family. Justin, tell me, you just saw the body cam footage and the dashcam footage that the family had been asking to see, correct . Yes, sir. Reporter what did you see . Well, let me start off by saying it was painful to watch, not just to see him get shot and killed, but to see the reactions on his loved ones faces. What i see in that video is an individual who is sitting in a car who gets out in a calm, peaceful manner. He never appears to be aggressive. It seems like hes a tad confused. I dont know if hes getting yelled at from too many directions. His hands are down. There does appear to be some object in his hand, but you cant make out what it is. At the moment he is shot, hes actually stepping backwards. Reporter did he have a gun . As far as i know, i dont know. You know, we know that Law Enforcement is saying that he had a gun. I have not seen any definitive evidence aside from what Law Enforcement is saying. Reporter now, earlier in the day, during your news conference, you had said that you werent sure if you wanted the video to be released. The family wasnt sure. You wanted to see it first. That is, at the time, was in direct contradiction with at least some of the protesters that wanted transparency, that wanted this video released. At this point, is the family calling for this video to be released publicly right away . Absolutely. The family wants the Police Department to release both of the videos that we saw today and we want the public to see it, let them draw their own conclusions and i think it will have a very big impact on what we see going around us in charlotte. Reporter the police chief has come out and said specifically a gun was found on the scene. You and the family dispute that, of course. Weve also seen but weve also the still image according to Police Sources to our nbc affiliate wcnc that appears to show within the moments following the shooting a gun at the feet of mr. Scott. What is your response to that image . When i look at the evidence that i have seen, being the dash cam footage and the body cam footage, i do not see a firearm. I do not see a firearm on the ground. I do not see a firearm at any point during those videos. That is what i can speak to. So youre not commenting on that picture specifically. Youre commenting on the video. Im commenting on the specific facts that we are aware of and have seen with our own eyes. Tell me a little deeper about the videos you saw. It was three body cams and then a dash cam video, or break down exactly what type of video you saw. We specifically saw the dash cam footage from a vehicle that is parked and catches essentially the entire incident from him stepping out of the vehicle to him being shot and him falling on the ground. We also saw a body cam footage from what appears to be the officer that broke out one of his windows. Of course, when that officer circles the vehicle, the camera catches just the back of his head. So it actually doesnt see anything thereafter, and there were some problems with the sound on that video. Those are the two videos we saw. The police chief said today he could not make out whether mr. Scott was pointing what he said was a gun, he couldnt make out whether he was pointing that gun at all. You are saying you didnt see any type of gun, but walk me through step by step when did the video start taping and does it answer the question of what happened here . It leaves more questions than answers, honestly. This video picks up where hes sitting in the car. You have two officers positioned on the far side of a pickup truck yelling commands at him. You actually cant see the other officers too well on the dash cam footage. It shows him stepping out after some time and it shows him putting his hands down, walking calmly and it shows him stepping back at the moment that he is shot and killed. Thank you very much, justin bamberg, the attorney for the scott family. Gabe gutierrez with scott family attorney justin bamberg. Dont go anywhere. Well be right back. Okay, so whats our latest data say . Our customer is a 21yearold female. Heavily into basketball. Wait. Data just changed. Now shes into disc sports. Ah, no shes not. Since when . Since now. Shes into tai chi. She found disc sports too stressful. Hold on. Let me ask you this. Whats she gonna like six months from now . Who do we have on aerial karate . Steve. Steve. Steve. And alexis. Uh, no. Just steve. Just steve. Just steve. Live business, powered by sap. 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As the Huffington Post points out, clintons plans are as unambiguously progressive as any from a democratic nominee in history and almost nobody seems to have noticed. Joining me is jonathan cohn, Senior Correspondent for the Huffington Post. A great piece. A comprehensive look at her policy vision. One thing that struck me that i think i actually learned, the first bill she would introduce would be a big Infrastructure Spending jobs bill which is an area that theres now some trump is basically saying we need Something Like that. You think maybe that could be something that there would be bipartisan support for. You would think so in a normal political environment, right . Infrastructure is a popular idea. Its popular with the public, right . You talk about building bridges, modernizing our airports, improving the electrical grid. Trump, as you say, has been for it. Traditionally infrastructure is something the parties can agree on. The problem is, you know, president obamas also been trying to put forward an infrastructure plan, and he hasnt gotten very far. Right now the politics in congress are so dysfunctional that even a newly elected president , if you imagine Hillary Clinton coming into the white house, having won the election, its going to be really hard to get Something Like that passed. I think theres a relationship between that obstruction and how little the Campaign Coverage particularly has focused on policy because i think theres this belief that like whats really going to happen. So shes got a College Tuition plan, a policing reform plan, a plan an autism, a plan for access for people with disabilities, tax rates going up for the rich, real estate, et cetera, im sorry, estates, theres all this stuff and what is this other than binders that you have in your office in brooklyn . Right, right. There is this policy fatalism. And i think everybody feels it. I think if you talk to people who are around clinton, they would make two points. Three points. First, theyre not ready to give up yet. Maybe they can get an inf infrastructure bill, maybe action on immigration. But if they do end up with a really obstructionist congress, they hope they can get some small progress along the way to these goals. They get a little bit of money to help people with child care. A little bit of money to help people with College Tuition. The feeling is if you can at least start down that road and show people that government can make a difference in their lives. That creates a foundation for action later. And then, you know, theres a whole lot that can be done through executive action. And if you talk to progressives, if you talk to the people around clinton, they are very focused on that. They are very aware of the fact that the president has a lot of authority to set regulations and to enforce regulations. You will see a lot of attention if Hillary Clinton is president. To thinking about, all right, who do we put in charge of antitrust enforcement. Who do we put in charge of regulating the drug industry . And they are going to look for their spots. At least this is what they say, to try to implement their agenda that way. Obviously, you cant do as much with executive authority as you can by passing laws, but you can make progress. Yeah. Im really curious to see how much she can drive home in the debate context. Because i think it would be useful for her and i think its been difficult to sort of break through on this stuff. Jonathan cohn, thank you for your time tonight. Appreciate it. Just four days until that debate. You can see it here on msnbc and tune in sunday. The Rachel Maddow show starts now. When they passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, there was a lot of worry by people that supported the legislation that even though it was doing the right thing, even though it was taking the country in the right direction, even though it would alleviate some of the most acute injustices in the country that at the time were really tearing things apart, people who supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964, even the people who built and wrote the Civil Rights Act of 1964, they had to worry that that legislation might actually make things worse in the country before