Blockbuster report. Im going to end illegal immigration. On a pipeline of undocumented workers from costa rica to Donald Trumps golf course. With immigration, you better be smart and you better be tough and theyre taking your jobs. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york. In for chris hayes. Fwlrs the president appointed Matt Whitaker to be the acting attorney general last fall, violating the Justice Departments ord of succession and possibly the constitution, they believed had everything to do with his loyalty to donald trump and his public hostility to the Mueller Investigation. In his combative, often evasive testimony before the house judiciary committee, whitaker did little to ease concerns that hes nothing more than a political hack, installed to run interference for the president. The acing attorney general defended his decision to not recuse himself from oversight of the Mueller Investigation, despite having been advised to do so by ethics officials. Then he denied interfering with the investigation or discussing it with the president but given the opportunity too declare the legitimacy of the special counsels work, whit canker declined to do so. Guilty pleas from manafort, flynn, papadopoulos and dozens of indictments including 13 russian nationals, three Russian Companies and roger stone. Would you say the spemgs counsels investigation is a witch hunt . Are you over seeing a witch hunt . Congressman, as ive mentioned previously the special counsels investigation is an Ongoing Investigation and so i think it would inappropriate youd stop a witch hunt, wouldnt you . It would be inappropriate for me to talk about an Ongoing Investigation. Despite having interviewed for a job at the white house as lead attorney dealing with with muellers probe, his personal views on the investigation just never came up with anyone inside the president s orbit. Did they talk to you about your prior opinions on the Mueller Investigation . No, we did not discuss it. We discussed my background as a United States attorney and my legal practice. Youre asking whether i talked with anybody about my views of the special counsels investigation when i was a private citizen and not at the department of justice . Correct. No, i did not. The clearest evidence of how he understands his role was his attitude towards the democrats on the house judiciary committee. Have you ever been asked to approve any request or action to be taken by the special counsel . Mr. Chairman, i see that your five minutes is up. You said youre not interfering with the special counsels investigation. Have you denied him any funds hes requested at all . I can tell this is an important issue for you. It is for the American Public and the whole world. I dont know if your time has been restored or not. Mr. Attorney general, were not joking here and your humor is not acceptable. Five minutes for lunch. Wow, Committee Chairman nadler said hes not done with whitaker and threatened to subpoena him to get the answers democrats demand. My next guest questioned him today. Democratic congressman steve cohen of tennessee. First all of i have to get your reaction to that testimony you heard today. Both to his demeanor ands in many cases his refusal to answer yes and no questions. Well, he came tine stone wall us. He had an audience of one, which is donald trump and when he was a Football Player and i could see him as a Football Player, he was a tight end and thats generally a blocker in the iowa program. Hes still in the same role he was when he plied for the iowa hawk eyes. He didnt show me anything to say he should be the United States attorney general. Ive met many and this man does not measure up to them in any way whatsoever. He was treading water and stone walling. And being prepretty a dis respectful to the chair and repeatedly saying an answer i can see this is a very important issue to him. Dud you feel he was there just to stone wall for time or being openly disrespectful as way of performing for donald trump . Its hard to say. Would you say like brautsy didnt understand things . I dont think hes very swift and with the republicans had the same stock start of saying congressman, i really thank you for asking that question and then finally cicilline says lets get through the thank you stuff. Dont say thank you and it was all a time can killer and they coached him where i know that questions important to you because he used that to mr. Jordan on the republican side and others as well. I think he was given certain talking points and he stayed on message. Chairman nadler indicated he doesnt feel hes done hearing from mr. Whitaker. Do you think theres any point in calling hum again . We8, hed be under oath again. And we could ask him the questions and i think hes going to start to realize the fact that he could be in jeopardy. He didnt answer the questions forth rightly. Its hard for me to believe that donald trump didnt can ask him as he did jim comey and others about the investigation and to have loyalty and be easy on flynn or those types of things. He was upset with sessions. He didnt have his own attorney general. And he wanted his own guy and whitaker comes out of nowhere. He wasnt in the line of succession. Goes through a group of officials that have been approve bide the senate. He was not one of them. So it was an aberration there and somebody most of his jobs have not been in the legal sector and what he had in the political world had been abject failure and had a encounters where he headed opcharity group and got 1. 2 million to do work and there was the suggestion a major republican contributor and friend of trumps might have been the person to give that 1. 2 million for him. For this guy out of iowa who didnt do much to show up in washington and be paid 1. 2 million, that talks about the influence of money in washington the pernishes nature of it and how hes been willing subject to it. Congressman steve cohen, appreciate your time tonight. And for more on the extraordinary testimony im joined by Chuck Rosenberg a torm foer u. S. Attorney and former senior official at the fbi. The testimony today was interesting. But some of the things some of the areas gone into was well, you just heard from the congressman, his background. Before mr. Whitaker became the acting attorney general he wrote this oped in which he said the Mueller Probe was going too far. Did you hear anything that would disabuse you of the notion that his goal in being acting attorney general is to interfere with that probe . I thought his performance was disgraceful. Ive toifred many times in congress. Sometimes the questions are good and thoughtful, sometimes theyre compound and incomprehensible but you have to answer every one with civility and your question. Loox, i dont know that hes the right guy for this job. In fact i know hes the wrong guy for the job. Im heartened by one thing, the u. S. Attorneys offices, fbi, are primarily if not exclusively staffed by career civil servants. If someone was messing with their stuff, trying to torpedo their cases, you would hear a human cry from them and you havent. And hell be gone soon. And did you get the sense this tactic of saying i understand its very important and snarky. I think you can say disrespectful. How are people coached generally . If you know youre going it before congress or half that panel is going to be tough on you, what are you told to do . Half is an tag nisic and half is friendly. And its fairly typical. People handle it in different ways. Ive never seen anyone handle it like that. You have to treat every member with a degree of civility and kindness and dignity. Hes not representing matt whit canker. He didnt do a particularly good job. Hes representing the United States department of justice. Hes speaking on behalf of more than 100,000 men and women working 24 7 around the globe. They saw their leader behave like an infant and that is really deeply disheartening. And we know theres being a be a hearing for the person to replace him, barr. Given what you saw today, what would you counsel him to do differently . Bill barr doesnt need my advice. I may not share his views politically but i believe hes an institutionalest and that he understands the department of justice. And by the way bill barr had no trouble denying that Mueller Probe was a witch hunt, no did the director of the fbi or rod rosenstein. So that doesnt seem to be ea big flift most adults. Im shocked it was a lift from matt whit canker. But bill barr is going to be fine. For more on what weve learned from the hearing, im joined by contributor, host of the majority report and democratic strategist. Thank you for being here. It panned all around to be honest. Havent heard anything but people panning this performance, terriau, by mr. Whit canker. You a political strategist. Could you sense in that Performance Today any strategic idea or goal or was he just in a mood . Thank you so much for there question. I understand the question is very important to you. First all of he was putting on a show as you stated. A show both for trump and i think he was putting on a show efor himself. Remember this person used to be on tv. And so i think hes looking for a future back in that space and after this is all said and done. What i would say is people drawn to is theyre not just drawn to trump because they want to be apert of all the divisiveness. They want to hitch to his wagn to chart their own course in terms of media and growth. People said to me why are people on the the apprentice had issues. They wanted to sue him and now theyre supporters. I get this question, why would they support him snow because they want to be just like him. And i think that is reflected in his administration as well. And thats what he wants. He wants people who want to reflect themselves and be mini trumps. Kwhitkers job was obviously sketch, for at least reading of the. A conservative nonprofit with undisclosed funders, 1. 2 million of money that went in. If this was a perform nsz donald trump cant help him. I guess he could get him on fox news. At the end of the day, you can see the democratic panel. Theyre not going to let him undermine the Mueller Probe. I think there were two things. There was a sense the scrutiny he got on day one when he was appointed acting attorney general, we dont know what his intengszs were. Hes very hard to look at that guy and say he was the best candidate for the Attorney Generals Office. But he didnt do, at least in terms of what he said today. He did not set up any obstacles for the Mueller Investigation. One thing i took away from that is the scrutiny on him seemed to work. But the other this is a guy from the conservative movement. Im a little more cynical than other people who anticipate these type of folk to have respect for the institution. Hes going to go out theres a lot of that money slaugsing around out there. He set himself to be running any one off a number of conservative socalled think tanks or Movement Groups or independent expenditures. Fox news. Theres a Huge Industry out there that someone like him can walk in to right now if trump doesnt turn around and give him another job in the administration. You have a good point. So eif that was the goal, then he did it. It was yet another audition. Lets talk about the republicans for a moment. It seems no matter how far off the rails. Its universal the pan thofrg performance but republicans still seem to want to protect even him. Heres an exchange where republicans tried to stop democrats from questioning the qualifications for whitaker for the job. Its my understanding that before you moved to the department of justice you were the executive director for the ms. Chairman, i have a point off order. Mr. Chairman ms. Chairman, i have a point of order. I have a point of order make full use of the opportunity to call gentle lady must extend. My very point is outside the scope of an oversight investigative hearing of the department of justice. If you think of the donald Trump Presidency as a television show, rather than the presidency, everyone is performing for a purpose. What is the purpose for republicans at this point . Theyve just got a shellacking in the house. They can see the place wheres theyre losing support are precisely the places they would need to retain the white house. Senate seats are up. What is the point at this point of so jealously guarding mr. Whitaker . Theyve made the political calculation that in any way going against trump is more costly than actually speaking out and being and showing a degree integrity, even with the losses they took in 2018, they think that if they go against trump, the electoral results will be even worse. All these people youre talking about are there despite the fact they were suporb r portative of trump or because they were. The ones who were going to lose have lost. These people are there because theyre supporters support donald trump. And so that is the problem ultimately that republicans have long term is they cannot separate themselves fromden donald trump because ultimately theyre voting the vast majority of the Republican Party still supportive of donald trump. What happened today may look like a freak show to 50 60 of the country. But theres 30 to 40 who think this is our guy. Yep, looks great to them. 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Means to fight the hardest battle, which any human being can fight and never stop. Does this sound dismal . It isnt. Its the most wonderful life on earth. One of the many things that acting attorney general Matt Whitaker had to answer for today was his tennier for former attorney general jeff sessions. With trumps zero tolerance policy started under sessions. With that in mind, congresswoman lit into whitaker about whether the administration has a way of tracking these separated families. Before or after the zero tolerance policy was put into place and i call it the zooro humanity policy, did the u. S. Attorneys track when they were separating a legal guardian and parent from their child. Theres only onancer to this. Its gone through the courts. Did you track when you were prosecuting a parent or legal guardian when they were separated from a child i do not believe we were tracking that. You were not. That is the correct answer and when parents are prosecuted and sentenced, theyre in doj custody, correct . Correct. Their custody is transnoord u. S. Marshall so your attorneys are prosecuting them and your department was not tracking parents separated from their children. Do you know what kind of damage has done to children and families across this country e . Do you understand the magnitude of that . I understand that the policy of zero tolerance has the Justice Department started tracking parents and legal guardians who were separated from their children at the border . The time of the gentle lady is expired. The gentleman may answer. I appreciate your passion for this issue and i know youve been involved in the front lines. This is about the childrens future, mr. Whitaker. Democrat from washington state. Thank you so much for being here tonight. Just watching that exchange between yourself and acting attorney general whitaker, theres an incredible contrast between how impassioned you are talking about children who may never see their parents again and a dismissiveness, just the way that he was looking away. Did you and his answer about i know this is important to you. Did you feel condescended to . Oh, absolutely and it started from the minute he walked in the hearing. He was arrogant, dismissive, disrespectful and when it came to this, i dont can think he knew what to do. Earlier i had said do you know about family separation, he said it didnt happen. I said there was a memo. And he said no, that didnt happen and i said there were four pinocchios to that statement that the Washington Post afforded to this and by the time we got to the end, this is such a compelling issue. Republicans and democrats agree that this was a heinous crime that has been committed against thousands of children. And i think he really didnt can know what to do and so he tried to be dismissive and say i respect your passion which is a way of saying youre getting kind of emotional about this. And i had to make it clear this is about the future of the children are. And i will say i am so proud i passion about this because anybody should be thinking about not only the children who never get to see their parents ever again but the children separated for months and some of them i watched them come together with their parnlts and i heard the parents say the kids didnt want to go back because they thought they had been abandoned. If we all dont have real passion, commitment, to figuring out what happened and making reparations, the u. S. Government should make reparations for what we have done to these families. And speaking of the idea of how long this is actually going on. The great producers found sound from march of 2017. This is john kelly, who at the time was secretary of Homeland Security before he was Donald Trumps chief of staff and this was before the policy officially began. If you get some young kids who manage to sneak in with their parents, our department of Homeland Security personnel going to separate the children from their moms and dads . We have tremendous experience of dealing with unaccompanied minors. We turn them over to hhs and they do a very good job of putting them in foster care or linking them up with family members in the United States. Yes, im considering an audit to deter more movement on this terribly dangerous network. Im considering exactly that. They will be well cared for as we deal with their parents. And were you able to get annancer as to how long this has been going on and how many kids are actually still missing. Because we now know there are probably many more than 2,737 as of december 2018 who were actually separated, maybe ea thousands more. The department of justices is only responsible for the prosecutions. We were supposed to have a hearing tuesday which has been cancelled because of John Dingells funeral and those are the questions i have ready to ask them. But i will tell you there are over 100 kids still in custody from the ones we originally thought were the first ones that were being separated and now hhs has come back and said we dont can know that we can ever separate them. Thats a court order that we can rejoin them with their parents, reunite them with their parents. The court order is they have to do that and now theyre saying its not possible, on top of the there are thousands that happened before. When john kelly says were doing this to deter, that is actually illegal. The courts have ruled that you cannot detain and do what they are doing for deterrent purposes. So everything about this family separation policy, this zooro humanity policy was so wrong. And i dont know, first of all, how we fix what we have done and also how we make reparations. These kids are traumatized and the parents are traumatized and we know from psychologists that is real trauma, lasting trauma. If you cant be passionate about that, im not sure what you can be passionate about. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. And still to come is Matt Whitaker taking part in a plot to stop robert mueller. What we learned in a hearing about where the special counsel probe stands. The investigation into russias attacks on democracy is not a witch hunt, not a fishing expedition, not hoax, not a lynch mob, its a National Security imperative. The fact that people suggest otherwise comes dangerously close to providing aid and comfort to the enemy. In your final week, keep your hands off the Mueller Investigation. I yield back. I yield back than the accident itself. Thats why esurance makes it simple. Just take some pics. [picture noises] go to sleep. Wake up. Grab a bite. 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Theres been no event, no decision thats required me to take any action and i have not interfered in any way with the special counsels investigation. That was the line from the acting attorney general, also testifying he provided no einside information about the Mueller Probe to the trump administration. He refused to dis cushion his conversations with trump. Prompting house judiciary chair to tell whitaker he planned to try and force him to answer more questions. Joining me for more, editor and chief of law fair and former federal judge, senior lecturer at harvard law school. Theres been pretty much universal condemnation of ill advised and ill executed. But i wuntder if there was anything in it that told you whether or not this gentleman poses an actual threat to the future of the Mueller Probe . I see that your five minutes are up. Im here under the five minutes rule and thats what i agreed to on the show and your time is up. Touche. Before we get to the answer, can we pause a moment to think about one of your guests showed up and behaved the way the acting attorney general behaved towards the chairman of the house judiciary committee. A short segment. Look, this was a disgraceful performance all around. But he did actually say a few things that are reassuring and in a fashion he can be held to account for. And one he had not involved himself, he hadnt interfere would or directed the outcome of the special counsels investigation in any way. Now this is not a man i would trust to say the truth about anything. On the other hand it is not insignificant when a person says Something Like that in a fashion befear c before a congressional committee. Its not an insignificant thing he made that representation and so i dont take a lot of reassurance from his testimony today on any points. But i dont think that is an insignificant thing for him to have said. I wonder if you subscribe to the notion that somebody who seemed to be motivated to interfere in some way but clearly cant do it, either because hes not capable of executing the plan or because maybe there are still some guardrails that appear to be strong that its not even possible now. What should be asked of. Whether or not this tells you that maybe in a trump crony as attorney general permanently might not actually pose as big a threat as people might have thought. There are two issues. One is interfering and the other is the issue of communication. On the interfering issue, frankly as long as rosenstein is in place who is essentially the guardrail between mueller and the attorney general, then i feel reasonably confident there wont be interference. When rosenstein resigns and then theres a direct line between the attorney general and the special counsel, i would have some can concerns about that. I dont have particular concerns about bill barr. But then the opportunity exists. The communication issue is very different. In my reading, if you recall in august of 2017, whitaker becomes chief of staff to sessions and its widely reported whitaker is in regular touch with the white house. So much so that New York Times described him as essentially a partisan and a a spy in the Attorney Generals Office funneling information to trump when hes the chief of staff. Its strange credibility to me that he did not commune quate trump about what he knew about the investigation. In the light of what he had done before. The communication issue is a troubling issue. Thats the troubling issue. Affirmatively interfering. As long as rosenstein is in place, i would tend to doubt it. Communicating with trump about whats going on, thats a different matter. The question would be what kind of risks would whitaker be willing to take . And what are the risks if he were funneling information he was learning from the special kouns thool white house, what legal jeopardy could that place him in and how would that play out given the fact hes acting attorney general . This is the scary part. I dont think it would place him at risk if he did it in his official capacity as attorney general. It would we wildly improperer and offencive entire way the Justice Department is supposed to operate. The president does have the raw power to get information about investigations. And so i agree that that is a serious concern that it could have happened and i also think there probably isnt a whole lot of remedy against it if it did happen. And what did you make of the fact that he wouldnt answer whether a president can be indicted or not . He didnt answer that. He could answer what the office of Legal Counsel has been saying. I think that to some degree was a softball. Can you step back from all of this. What the committee was trying to do here was to see if there was trump obstruction. Thats why they kept asking the questions about obstruction. Yes, there may be a general right to confer with trump. But it trump is is saying tell me about x or do y thats a different issue. Thank you very much for being here. And coming up the tabloid that were to help donald trump get elected president is reportedly under scrutiny for allegedly trying to blackmail the richest man on the planet and putting it in writing. The latest on bezos verses picker right after this. E latess picker right after this. You know that look . That life of the party look. Walk it off look. One more mile look. Reply all look. Own your look with fewer lines. Theres only one botox® cosmetic. Its the only one fda approved to temporarily make frown lines, crows feet and forehead lines look better. The effects of botox® cosmetic may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. 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Today the face off between the worlds richest man and the tabloid run by ami chief david picker has riveted the media with headlines like this and raise said serious questions about the National Enquirers tactics. Ami released a statement that reads in part American Media believes fervently that it acted lawfully in the reporting of the story of mr. Bezos. Further at the time of the recent allegations made by bezos it was in good faith negotiations to resolve all matters with him. And said it would thoroughly investigate the matter. But bloomberg and Associated Press are looking into whether amis actions may have violated the cooperation agree. S. And ronan pharaoh tweeted i and at least one other prominent journalists involved in breaking stories about the National Enquirers arrangement with trump fuelled blackmail efforts. Theyve reported on the ties between donald trump and the publisher of the National Enquirer. White house reporter for the daily beast that first reported jeff bezos was investigating for leaked text. Im going to go to you first. That ronan farrow tweet do you have more on whether or not there were he says on other reporters that may have been threatened by ami . We will actually the have more on what you were talking about coming up soon. Im sorry i cant get into it at the moment. But to give your viewers a back story. As we reported last week jeff bezos personally underwrote this private investigation headed by a guy named Gavin Debecker who for years has been jeff baize ois top security guy. And there are lists of suspects became so narrow that in term whoofz the leaker was, in terms of their top suspect, real only one name came to the for and that was Michael Sanchez who happens to be the brother of Lauren Sanchez who is the jeff bezos mistress. He happens to be a close associate both business and personal wise to periferal world figures like roger stone and carter page. So they started to suspect. Again im not sure what concrete evidence they have to support this but they start stood suspect political motivation was not only at the core of the leak but political motivation. Cull manated to what happens yesterday when bezos accuses ami and National Enquirer of blackmailing him. So that translates to trump . What you mean by political motivation . Bezos himself strongly implied that it can could be trump and or the saudi regime which has had close ties to david picker and the ami empire. And again i must reiterate that this seems to be speculation or educated guessing on the part of bezos and his team. I dont think they presented publicly at least to confer either way. This is what he and his investigates are currently working with with. And reportedly telling his investigator spare no expense. Let me talk about the way the enkwurer operates now and before. There was another tweet by a former ap editor saying we were warned that ami hired private investigators to digging into the background of journalists on behalf of trump. Never saw evidence of this either waw and it didnt stop our reporting. Im wondering if this is a feature of the way ami operates that theyre running research on journalests. Thats a great question and the Associated Press, the journalists were some of the folks at the forefront of reporting and digging into the allegations that trump was actually working with ami to cover up potentially damaging stories that could come out about him during the president ial race and so obviously there have been i mean Michael Cohen pled guilty to Campaign Finance violations for sthungs that happened on this particular path. Ami himself had entered into an agreement. They cooperated with the feds as they end their investigation that led to cohens guilty plea have actually acknowledged they were doing things to help influence the president ial race. But they have also but at the time before this all came out, before the feds nailed that information, there were reporters who were trying to figure out and piece together that the pieces of that puzzle and theres no doubt that ami went after, like basically pushed back against the reporting efforts, not just the Associated Press but else water. The catch and kill operations obviously were to be help fool donald trump. Were you able to figure out why. What was the motivation . Or was there a revealed motivation . Just theyre political allies or was there something more to it . Right the relationship between picker at ami and picker goes back to the 90s. And since then there has been additional reporting that has showed that david picker and ami has benefitted from its relationship with trump. If truable to basically get theo cover up stories about him and promote negative stories about hillary clinton. That david pker in turn may have received benefits from his close relationship with the white house, especially when it came to business pursuits that he was pursuing with the saudis. And so listen. Trump is not the only person on whose behalf david picker has done favors and has like waited into questionable and question whether or not a legal tactics. To help benefit them. This is getting more and more interesting by the day. Thank you both. And up next amazing new reporting from the Washington Post about a Virtual Pipeline of undocumented immigrants to find work at Donald Trumps property. Ork at Donald Trumps property got it. Ran out of ink and i have a big meeting today. And 2 boxes of twizzlers. Yeah, uh. For the team. The team . Gooo team. Order online pickup in an hour. And, now save big at the buy 2 get 1 free event. 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Reporter David Farenthold of the Washington Post has been covering the trump Family Businesses where he and his colleagues at the post uncovered the Trump National golf club is im ploriimploring a pipeline o undocumented workers. Joining me is David Farenthold, reporter at the Washington Post and analyst and the headline of your piece, my whole town practically live there. That is the headline of your piece. Tell me how you found this town and how many people are working for donald trump . Well, this started back in december when the New York Times wrote about one woman who is an immigrant who was here in the u. S. Undocumented and working for President Trump at his bedminster course. By talking to her and her lawyer, you heard about this much bigger picture, so many more people that worked in the course in landscaping, housekeeping that were undocumented and heard there was actually a town in costa rica where they had come from and gone back to. You can find the houses and lives built on money made illegally at Donald Trumps course. So my two colleagues both former correspondents went down to this down and as you said, it was there. They have talked to all these people who had mementos, photos, shirts, evidence of their time at trumps club and they talked about how there is this pipeline that started small and grew pretty large bringing dozens of people from that area, from costa rica to work at trumps club . How wouldnt somebody in the Hospitality Business know . E verify was big. Did any of these clubs use e ver p verify . Some of trumps clubs use e verify but this one doesnt. If you were donald trump and you cared about illegal emigration and thought it was immoral, we talked to some of these workers that said it was obvious to their managers and clubs and they said it in front of managers they were undocumented. Knock took acti nobody took action. We know there are instances where people have been quickly fired and hustled out the door because donald trump, its bad for messaginmessaging. Donald trump has done a real purge. These are documents the club had on file for ten years or 15 years looking at the documents that had been in their files the whole time and discovered they are undocumented and firing them. There are at lease five fires, including bedminster. In the winter time, golf courses shrink from a few hundred down to 20 or 25. In some cases at one club in new york, trump fired half of the winter time staff because they were undocumented. The real test is this summer, how do they find the pool of labor if they cant use illegal workers. What will they pay them . The illegal workers paid 10 an hour for heavy equipment work that would pay 50 to 51 an hour. The wages they paid to the pok folks were incredibly small. 8 an hour to operate heavy equipment to 50, 55 an hour for a legal american thats licensed to operate it with benefits. Its not hard to accept documents, you save so much money. If the Trump Organization is going to go legal, all of the gulf clubs and screen out workers, the labor costs will go up. Your reporting said the head of security was actually told there were workers potentially working there in legal documents. Thats right. One of the things the Trump Organization said is we didnt know. We didnt know there are all these people working for. They fooled us. We found this Police Report from back in 2011 where a bedminster p. D. Cop and a suspect is an undocumented immigrant. The cop discovers this and tells the head of security, ill here because you have an employee in this accident and here undocumented. Nothing seems to have happened after that. Thank you so much. Appreciate you joining me tonight. Thank you. That is all for all in this evening. Catch me for a. M. Joy. Thank you very much, my friend. Thanks to you at home for joining us. Happy friday. Well start with an update on the story we have been cover