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We begin with the Trump Administration which has take in its first steps towards punishing saudi arabia over the killing of jamal khashoggi. They would have their veeszaus revoked or declared ineligible to enter the United States. Those without visas are ineligible for them. Mike mom pawo said more action could be on the way. These penalties will notby the last word by the United States. We will continue to explore additional measures to hold those responsible accountable. Were learning the facts and as facts unfold, as we continue to develop our understanding of the individuals that were responsible for this that not only execute this. Trrs the world should know we intend to hold those individuals accountable. And saudi officials now say the 15man team send by saudi intelligence planned to hold hum and kidnap him while attempting to persuade him to return to saudi arabia. They claim he would have been released. However, they dud not provide any evidence to corroborate that account. He left the consulate soon after arriving but that later evolved to he was killed in the consulate during a first fight. This soon soon after erdogan disputed the accounts in a speech to parliament. And after khashoggi was killed in the consulate, they rolled his body up in a rug and it over to someone who would dispose of it. Meanwhile, the prince is believed to have a role received several of khashoggis family members. It included two of khashoggis sons. Theyve criticized the kingdom, calling it the worst cover up ever. They had a very bad original concept. It was carried out poorly. And the cover up was 1 of the worst in the history of cover ups. Very simple. Bad deal. Should have never been thought of. Somebody really messed up. And they had the worst cover up ever and where it should have stopped is at the deal standpoint when they thought about it. Because whoever thought of that idea i think is in big trouble and they should be. Nothing that theyve done has done well. Certainly has not been spoken of proper lae. They did the wrong thing even thinking about the ytd. They certainly did a bad job of execution and talking about it or covering it up, if youd hike to say that. But i would say it was a total fiasco from day one, whoever put it in their minds, that was a not a a good thought. The pross was no good. The execution was no good and the cover up, if you want to call it that was certainly no good. If the crown prince is implicated well, well have to do sthung but i spoke with the king, i spoke with the crown prince yesterday and he strongly said he had nothing to do with this is. This was at a lower level. But the president is offering a harsher take. The president said this. While the prince is running things over there, more so at this stage. And so if anybody were going to be, it would be him. White house correspondent for reuters. You were the former president of the white house correspondents association. Hes changed his tune towards saudi arabia specifically on the killing of jamal khashoggi. Do you believe any of the views ults arer hard to saw what is influencing his views. Hes been saying for days that he wants to get the facts, make his determ naugzs becaused on the fact. Frrts i was in the q and a with him in the oval office and afterwards. We asked him for the reaction to what erdogan said. He was pretty harsh on saudi arabia. But the president has been harsh but he continually goes back to saying he doesnt want this to effect the u. S. Relationship with saudi. More specifically he doesnt want it to effect the defense contracts that he and others water part of negauche yiegting. Twengt we have the administration taking its first steps. And a slap on the wrist when it come to the visa revocation. And well,sic reitary pompeo said in that clip that you played that this would not be the only action that the United States takes. So its sort of a wait and see approach. Cia director, joonau haskell. And the president said hed be waiting to find out what she has learned. You were right as well. In the earlier video and pag to say the story from saudi arabia has shafted and at some point american officials will grow frustrated with that shifting story and the president referred to that by somewhat controversially say thing cover up was bauchd. And actually puts out its own fact finding statement. Meanwhile President Trump is saying he had no idea of the racist connotation. First a remind of what he said in texas monday. I have a word, it sort of became oldfashioned. A nationalist. Were not supposed to use that word. Im a nationalist, okay. There is a concern that youre sending coded language or a dog whistle to some americans that what you really mean is youre a white nationalist. I never heard that. You never heard of a. No, im somebody who loves our country. He was averse to the terms nationalism or poppialism at the beginning of his campaign and over time it became clear that trump wasnt opozed to the ideas but the People Associated with them. And the republican nominee for governor has been accused of Voter Suppression fputting the registrations on hold, 70 of them are black. And roll engstones expressing concerns for his chances of everybody uses and exercises their right to vote. Woo were going to start early voting with literally 10s of millions of dollars. A lot of that was absentee ballot request. An unprecedented number of that. Which is something that continue done it. We got to have voting turnout to offset that. This is another poll shows him tied with democratic nominee staszy abrams, 4848 . But kemp said he will not rekus himself if the case dpoes to a recount. Do you believe you can over see the states elections while be awning governor . Would you requds yourself if a rekou recount is necessary . I took an oath and thats whakt im gotung continue to do. Montana State University billings poll found that tesser was ahead and its a nuch is conducted through midsefbt, earl. Well, the race for governor in alaska had a shake up last week. When the and a new poll hoess its a poeg 48 disapproval in 2010 to now more than 50 approval and republicans are actually taking notice. A quick update on that record 1. 6 billion. Rngts it was confirmed just moments ago that a single winning jackpot ticket solding south carolina. Its one of the few states where theyre allowered to remain anonymous. A migraine hope to be there. For the good. And not so good. For the mundane. The aweinspiring. The heart racing. The heart breaking. Thats what life is all about. Showing up. Unless migraine steals your chance to say i am here. Thats why, we created aimovig. A preventive treatment for migraine in adults. One dose, once a month. Aimovig is proven to reduce the number of monthly migraine days. 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Click or visit a retail store today. Well, President Trump is closing the midterms on kavanaugh and nancy pelosi is telling her fellow democrats to focus on health care. Republicans have voted again and again to repeal and undermine the Affordable Care act with the preexisting condition benefit with its sabotage laced and now president falsely claim they accept people with preexisting conditions. They need know the truth. Kwa kwa this as obamacare is 50 . Despite backing lawsuits and taking dozens of voter over turn the act. Convinced there is no use in trying to savage decades old arms meeting. Bolton solidified the stance to withdraw from the 1987 pact over russian vuilations. Despite hearing directly about putins concerns, bolton suggest it would be a waste of time to get russia to comply. It is russias position that theyre not in vilation. So how do you convince the russians to move back in compliance for obgagszs they dont think theyre liable. Putin said with a laugh i have question. Has your eagles picked all the olive said and only has airose left . Space force. Pence declined to rule out the idea of the u. S. Deploying Nuclear Weapons into space. I think its in the interest of every nation to continue to ban the use of Nuclear Weapons in space but what we want to do is continue to iter pence argued it does not ban nuclear activity. The Vice President announced in august they hope to establish the space force by 2020ads the sixth branch of the military, pending the approval of congress. As well as looming questions over Chinas Nuclear arsenal. First Lady Melania Trump screened wonder and stressed antibullying and kindness. As you might know october is national bu National Bully prevention month. So i ask everyone to be respectful in every day life. Can you do that . Okay. Very proud of you. Willa made land fall last night. Didnt hit any Major Population Centers and the latest update has it up to the tropical depression. Now its a big slug of moisture and rain and eventually into areas of texas. Eventually the moisture will start heading into texas. This is the same area that had the really bad floods. Sothe river wurz already run running high. But isolated flash flooding in this region. This moisture is not associated with with the hurricane. Theres another storm moving through new mexico. Thats going to combine with the moisture from the hurricane and its going to be a rainy day throughout much of texas and thats go dining stay with with us through south next couple of days. We have to watch new england too. We even have report of one tornado. We have a tornado that went through rhode island. And cape cod. The forecast for the baseball game, 42. Chilly. A wild weather daw yesterday in new england. Speaking of the world series still ahead were going to have lm the highlights. If youre waiting patiently for a liver transplant, it could cost you your life. Its time to get out of line with upmc. 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Zack smith accept ood plea deal to dismiss criminal trespassesing in connection to his alleged exwife. He instead pleaded guilty to Disorderly Conduct and four hours of fines. She areceived a threeyear protection order against him. One week from the october 30th trade deadline, the new york giants have traded away first round pick to the sapt said, the giants received from northerly nds, a pair of draft pick said a fourth rounder and a seventh rounder in 2020. And finally in the nba the conclusion of an oover time thriller. The pistons Blake Griffin is fouled. Drive thing to hoop with less thap two second said. He gets the bucket and the one for the lead. Griffin finishes with a career high of 50 points in the game. He wads on fewer. The nba has had incredible gaums, over time thrillers, fights. It feels like the end of the season. But a really exciting game one of the world sear as. It was a lot of fune watch. Stull ahead we could be weeks away from another trump putin summit. 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President putin said in the opening of miengt today when plesz was there that it would be good if i could reach the United States. And i said yes, President Trump would look forward to meeting with him in paris. We will make the precise arrangements. Its in mauchko for a wide variety of topics. It relates hoou. S. Russia relations. About a month ago we didnt pak anything like the key of involvement. I hope there isnt any meddling at all. We exprszed our continueeningling concerned to russianamerican reelgzs without producing anything for them in respawn. What the meddling did create was animosity smaus the staets. Diplomatically. Thats a huge loss to both countries but particularly to russia. Its a lesson i think dont mess with american elications. And if you want to talk to vees president speech was three or four weeks ago. A very, very senior u. S. Intelligence officials. The house ways and Means Committee says hes on board for another tarksz cut. This time aimed at the muddle class. And so we have sequels. Braid ea said in part President Trump is determines to provide further tax releeft unlike President Trump where there water number of little fork. Frrs and brady remshlg if by promising a new of a skepticism on how tew play for the flaernltime in that caravan of migrants. This after they defended his unsubstantiated claims. Absolutely we have. And we know this is a continuing problem. Where is the evidence, if any . Its inconceivable there are not people of middle eastern descent in a crowd of more than 700,000 people. But theres no proof theres no proofr proor of oanything. So yef, when kmsz times whether it be about the car van or this kut kukstor is there a point wh well see them distancing to him hfl. The the plaes said where hes been sent, doing this valleys. Goening how the and believe he ecemake differ mgsz. Youre soing somany rallies in the run up to the midterm term elections or not. If you lookality the polls and have grown to some of theric that he uses. And its not that worsen. In 20 jeff, let me ask you about this potsability of a trump punt meeting. What they would like significant 3450 3450 meeting in helsinki. This will be the First Time Since that theyve seen other and because the kren itter efforts. After sustained acizations from President Trump, an explosive device was recovered at home of george saros. A bomb squad detonated device constructed from sixinches power. A Spokes Person for soros called on politicians to quote tone down tlar rhetoric. Wit against the justice of Brett Kavanaugh were paid for by soros. And they accused of not being able to see it. They used to send in protesters. The democrats and soros. Youll get paid by someone news does everybody know what this means . I think the democrat sl string to do with with this. So a new poll show said abd rue gillm leading. Hes ahud of rondatime and meanwhile, i erased a robo call that and the call florida voteards hear a man imporousinate thing African American politician. They contemmed the robo call saying these represent a continueiation of the ugliest, most divisive pam wayne in history arent giving gm agengz than they have been. And jones those in condemning it. It Supreme Court Justice Sandra day odoner revealing she has dimension. What shes saying paand back with the latest morm what does help for Heart Failure look like . It looks like this. Entresto is a Heart Failure pill that helped keep people alive and out of the hospital. Dont take entresto if pregnant; it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. Dont take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren, or if youve had angioedema with an ace or arb. The most serious side effects are angioedema, low blood pressure, kidney problems, or high blood potassium. Ask your doctor about entresto. The beat goes on. 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I never could have imagined that one day i would become the first woman justice on the u. S. Supreme court. And not long after i retired i made a commitment to myself, my family and my country to advance civic learning and engagement. I served for nearly 25 years before retiring in 2006. After her late husband was diagnosed beaulsz hiemers. She urged the congress to make it a priority. An estimated 5. Staefb million americans. When you say in her words i can no longer help lead this cause. What a void. And cutback sillinal and yeah hew aegreed to shell out. And the other storiestriving your business day. They baptized me in mud and christened me on rock, so i got tougher. They fostered a love of learning, so i got smarter. Taught me to appreciate the finer things in life, so i became more civilized and refined. Thank you, freedom and adventure, for giving me this rugged, civilized, wandering soul. For giving me this rugged, civilized, unstopand its strengthenedting place, the by xfi pods,gateway. Which plug in to extend the wifi even farther, past anything that stands in its way. Well almost anything. Leave no room behind with xfi pods. Simple. Easy. Awesome. Click or visit a retail store today. Welcome back. Lets get a check on our weather. Umbrellas needed for the next couple of days, bill. You hear noreaster and ra prime ur8and a rain event. Now all that rain is going to head over to texas food. We take through to the southeast. And i dont think were going to get a lot of flooding issues. A lot of the big arptz will be okay. Er parm possibly in at pantau. By the time we get to friday this is when the storm begins to strengthen a little bit. We can take the storm along thoes anden the they start to come out of the northeast. As we get the stot morning the leading edge is a little bit of snow sleet, and rain. Vrpening through strafbl eeflking, maybe a little bit in vernauntd and soggy, windy, saturday. And theres a lot of halloween stuff going on. The northeast a lot of stuff has to be moved indoors. And heres our rainfall forecast. Flars bluz an inch. I know the leaves were still on the trees. They will be coming down ats rur older. Theres the rain in tks dks. Its chilly, only 49 and later tonight 42 degrees cold, what youd rr expekd for a world series game. We can can always count on you for best keeping eyes. M they close the day joins us now from thab up to. It was a reeler foeder. And 500 fright paints. We edid see a latestaej ral a. Enterms of what drove the initial sell off, the u. S. Is dealing with a hard heefer ur. We also had to sul off alrough start on that one. And cater puller and 3 fem. Frrtsz that to open a little bit lower. So while we did see a recovery, it still looks like were not out of the woods yet. One of the corporate stories that stands out today moving away from markets is amazon back in the news. Apparently amazon met with officials from the u. S. , immigration and Customs Agency over the summer around its controversial facial recognition technology. They allegedly pitched to the agency to use this technology in identifying and targeting immigrants. If a deal were to progress, it would inevitably thrust amazon back into the spotlight, yet another controversy around the tech industrys involvement in the government this time in the highly sensitive area of immigration. And another corporate story, in a settlement filed on monday, yahoo will have to be millions of dollars in damages after a data breach in 2013 that affected billions of accounts. Absolutely. This was the largest data breach in history, took place in 2013. We are just hearing settlement around it now. Yahoo has agreed to pay 50 million in damages and provide two years of credit monitoring to 200 Million People who were affected by this. Just to jog your memory, when this came to light, yahoo first revealed the problem after they already agreed to deal to sell their digital platform to horizon and as a result they had to discount that price by about 350 million to account for the reputational damage but also to incur for the fees that theyll have to pay like were seeing come through now. Back to you. All right, juliana, thanks so much. Still to come, axios Nicholas Johnson has a look at this mornings one big thing. And coming up on morning joe, the Trump Administration takes action against the saudis over Jamal Khashoggis killings. And President Trump offers his strongest rebuke yet of the countrys crown prince. Plus, the president declares himself a nationalist. The reason hes offering for wearing the title as a badge of honor despite its racist movements. For the good. And not so good. For the mundane. The aweinspiring. The heart racing. The heart breaking. Thats what life is all about. Showing up. Unless migraine steals your chance to say i am here. Thats why, we created aimovig. A preventive treatment for migraine in adults. One dose, once a month. Aimovig is proven to reduce the number of monthly migraine days. For some, that number can be cut in half or more. The most common side effects are pain, redness, or swelling at the injection site and constipation. These are your days what will each one bring . Doesnt matter, as long as you can say. I am here. Talk to your doctor about preventing migraine with aimovig. And be there more. With my bladder leakage, the products ive tried just didnt fit right. They were too loose. Its getting in the way of our camping trips. But with a range of sizes, depend fitflex is made for me. With a range of sizes for all body types, depend fitflex underwear is guaranteed to be your best fit. To take care of yourself. 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Fasenra™ is a targeted treatment for eosinophilic asthma. Thats important. Ask an asthma specialist about fasenra™. All right. Its that time. Time for a look at axios a. M. Joining us from washington, editor in chief Nicholas Johnson. What have you got for this mornings one big thing . A gender gap and gender wars. A lot of data gaps point to the big gulf between the sexes on politics, policy and business. The top line staff that caught my attention this morning is a wide gender gap in the parties. You ask women which party they support, by more than 20 percentage points, they back democrats. Men by wore than 20 points are in favor of the republicans. It is in part and parcel driven by the number of women running for the senate this year. Also in business, the New York Times had a fascinating graphic listening to the number of men impacted by the me too movement who lost their job. Most of them have been replaced by other men. Finally, looking at specific policy issues, most women on gun control favor more regulation. Most men favor less. If you ask about social media, women say its more important for those to be safe spaces. Many men say its more important for people to be able to speak freely. Lets hone in on the party that is likely to see the most support for female voters. Do you get a sense that there is a party trying to indicator to these voters in the sense that theyre adopting policies more oriented to women voters . I think most parties would say women are a priority, but where the numbers show are in the polling data. Theres a 20 gap as far as women who say they support democrats as far as republicans and about the Record Number of women this year, the vast majority of those are running as democrats. I think thats where the momentum is. We see that being infiltrated when it comes to political ads, not only on tv, the conventional way, then social media, but also on these, too. Were going to see some of these ads popping up. Why is that . I just mentioned i have my first one last week. Those are political ads on Text Messages. Theyre not subject to the same kind of rules as robo calling and auto dialing. A lot of those Text Messages are being sent by hand using special programs. Folks doing those can send up to 10,000 an hour. Expect more of those to pop up on your phone. Most of us reads those ads. A study shows 90 of those are checked within five minutes. Most of us will ignore a phone call from a number we dont recognize. We always answer or at least look at our Text Messages. Thats true. Popping up, as well, on instagram and facebook. Let me ask you quickly about Something Else making those headlines. Michael bloomberg, a lot of people floating his name around as a possible 2020 contender. How is he preparing for the midterms home stretch . What does this midterm mean for his possible president ial run . Look for a late funding surge from him that can push total spending up over 100 million. He used to be a republican, he used to be an independent. Hes now a registered democrat. A lot of people are speculating that is a possible prelude to a president ial run in 2020. As always, good to see you. All you viewers out there, sign up if you havent already. That does it for us on this wednesday morning. Morning joe starts right now. Nancy pelosi voted yes. Maxine waters voted yes. Beta orourke voted no. He would not stand with his party. Lock him up. Well, you know, theres a double occupancy cell with hillary clinton. Nothing to see here. Just a sitting member of the u. S. Senate endorsing jailing of his political opponent. Cruz went on to see journalists would be responsible for covering that comment rather than his comment about taxes. And this is the party of due process. It really is. Its so easy to worry about all of these things that are going on, but it really is dangerous and it is a violation of due process. And for them to jut talk about locking people up, so dangerous. Good morning and welcome to morning joe. It is wednesday, october 24th. Along with joe, willie and me, we have historian, author of the soul of america and rogers professor of the presidency at Vanderbilt University john meachum. He is an nbc news and msnbc

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