Bloombergpolitics. Com for the great story about Hillary Clintons frustrations with Bernie Sanders and his enduring campaign. For us, we say sayonara. Coming up, hardball with Chris Matthews. The primary that makes milwaukee famous. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in milwaukee, wisconsin, on the eve of tomorrows big republican and democratic tests. Can donald trump prevail over questions about his fitness for the countrys highest office . Can Hillary Clinton inspire democrats with the prospect of a second clinton presidency. Can bernie increase his victories to six of the last seven contests, thereby shaking hillary loose from her image as the inevitable nominee . Lets start with donald trump. The republican establishment
here from the governor on down has lined up against trump. Here in wisconsin. But heres the big but. The most recent poll out today from Emerson College shows ted cruz ahead of trump by just five points. Thats half the lead that cruz had in last weeks polls. So trump may be regaining strength here in wisconsin. At a rally today, trump predicted a win here tomorrow. I really believe tomorrow were going to have a very, very big victory. If we do well here, folks, its over. If we dont win here, its not over. But wouldnt you like to take the credit in wisconsin for ending it . Give wisconsin the credit for ending it. And then we can focus on hillary instead of these two guys. Well, trump mocked his rival ted cruz. Here he is. Weve gone through many, many states. I have won, i think, 22 states. Cruz gets up, he says im the
only one. You know, i wish he could just talk normally every once in a while. You ever hear this . Im the only one. That has proven that i can beat donald trump. Remember in the debate. I beat him five times. And i looked over and i said, yeah, but i have beaten you 22 times. You remember that . Remember . And he stuck like this. He didnt say anything. Robert costa is a National Political reporter for the washington post, an, seiz,s bureau chief for u. S. Today. Let me start with robert. How did the trump people looking at tomorrows bet after what happened last week with all the bad news. They think the base is energized and motivated because of the negative week trumps
had. The tumultuous week hes had. They think people will show up. Its a test for the trump campaign. They dont have the same organization cruz has in the state. Cruz has the conservatives in the milwaukee suburbs. They want to close this just like trump said in the trump campaign, but its a test. Do you show the polls getting closer or not . We said, i said a moment ago they were twice the lead that cruz had twice the lead about double digit about ten points last week. Now hes down to half a double digit, about five points. Is that your sense of the race right now going into tomorrows fight . Its all over with polling. Because some polls show it close. Theres a new poll out tonight that shows trump up. Its cruz who has been leading for weeks. The big question is cruz is likely to win milwaukee suburbs, the walker base. The walker people likely going to cruz. The question is northwest wisconsin, southeast wisconsin, some of the more workingclass, rural areas, harder to predict. Donald trump said he could be
president ial if he wants to be, but hes not ready to be that yet. Lets watch him. I could be president ial. But if i was president ial, wed only have about 20 of you would be here because it would be boring as hell. Now, let me be unpresident ial just for a little while longer. And maybe ill be a little unpresident ial as i beat hillary because, oh. Well beat hillary so badly. Dont forget, i havent started on hillary yet. Now, robert, ill get to the other later, but you have been watching this. Is this his way of saying dont held me to some test of president fitness. Its too early for that. Dont ask me if i can say things correctly or not. Let me make my mistakes. Let me test the air, let me have fun with all the schtick of mine. Is that what hes trying to say to smooth over what happened last week . Hes not just talking to the press. Hes talking to his family, to his friends, his closest advisers. Based on my reporter, bod woodward and i sat down with him. Were hearing everyone is telling trump, tone it down, act president ial, pivot toward the general election. And in private and in public hes saying no thanks. Im staying to be the swaggering guy i have been the whole campaign because he things he has to win. He thinks if he pulls back, if he pulls a punch, cruz is going to get room. Talk about that internal memo you got your hands on this week that showed sort of the attitude he has on the inside. An attitude, chris. This is not a soul searching campaign. This is not a group of people who over the weekend are saying, woe be us. We have struggled in the polls. Were behind in wisconsin. Instead, theyre attacking their critics. Theyre saying the critics are wrong. Were fine, everything is good. This is a campaign in a fight mode. A lot of people in the Party Establishment say this cant work out longterm. They got to do some expansion of the message. For now, this is a tightknit
group around trump, and theyre fighting. Susan page, and perry, is this still the primary, early primary season where you can get away with just being the best show in town . Well, i think were going to find out tomorrow night because this is the biggest test that donald trump has faced since iowa. Its a test of whether the kind of resilience hes shown to our surprise over and over again, still conveys. And i think he continues to have a shortterm strategy of being, letting trump be trump and being the kind of outrageous, outspoken figure thats brought him this far, and refusing to do the kind of pivot he would have to do to be electable in november. Heconcerned about that at this point. His negatives now in key voter groups like women, hispanics, africanamericans, suburbanites are so high, its hard to have a scenario where he wins the general election. He seem s focused on the stratey
that took him this far, made him the 41 runter for the nomination. About women, is there any way to read how women reacted to all that went on last week, starting with the faces of his glamorous wife up against heidi cruz . And then what happened with lewandowski and the battery charge, and then what happened with us on msnbc . All of that seemed to raise questions about fitness to women, wouldnt it . Do you think theres no reading yet on that total is what youre saying . The arg poll showed one of the biggest jepder gaps in the history of american polling. Trump doing really well among men in wisconsin and really badly among women. A huge disparity, and i think that reflects some of the things that have happened in the past week, including on your show. Let me go to perry on that. Same question to you, because you know, it was a bad week of press. Hes saying that internal memo that robert got ahold of it, it was all the presss fault or the elites fault. Thats the normal thing to do. Is there an objective to reality. Theres atwof different campaigns going on. In terms of the republican nomination process, in terms of the voters in the primaries and caucuses, hes probably doing fine. Hes got a certain base. Its likely not big enough in wisconsin, but hes likely to win in new york and maryland. But theres another campaign about the unbound delegates, the potential second ballot, and the republican establishment, the people choo w. H. O. Can vote in the convention, theyre looking for a guy who can win the election, who is electable, who is president ial. And paul ryan today saying if cruz wins wisconsin, were having a contested convention. I think that tells you they dont want to see trump win. Trump has to think about appealing to the base and the elites in case he has to win the nomination at the convention. Yeah, well talk about paul ryan. Incipient campaign or potential campaign in the next block. I think theres something going on there. Robert, as you said, you and bob woodward interviewed trump this week. One of the topics was the economy. Trump had a gloomy warning out there that were on the verge of a very massive recession. Trump also was asked about investing in the stock market. He told you, quote, its a terrible time right now. Look, in wisconsin today, trump stood by his dire predictions on the economy and he offered one glimmer of hope, elected donald trump. Here he is. What i said is were going to go into a massive recession. But i also say if im president , thats not going to happen. Because im going to straighten things out before it happens. Well, theres a logic question there, of course, robert. If he gets elected president , puts together an economic plan, it takes six months to a year to have any fiscal effect, or Monetary Policy effect. Whats he talking about, theres a recession coming next july he can forestall . Thats the only argument. Starting with next president ial candidate. Its so unprecedented for a major party figure to step out and talk about a massive recession on the horizon, calling it a terrible time to invest. Woodward and i walked out and we said, we wonder if the markets were open what it would do. Trump as hes talking down the economy. His answer for everything on the economy, he has a tax cut, butthal answer, trade. He thinks renegotiating trade deals is going to cause growth. Experts say its going to be hard, and they dont expect a massive recession. We have reported on that as well. They dont have the same view as trump, the broad view and the consensus in the economic community. Perry, i have never heard of a politician predicting doomsday, saying all hell goes loose if i dont get elected. By the way, ill get there just in time next summer to change course, to somehow change the economy and the economic
outlook. What is he doing this for . It fits his strategy, which is to say everything in america is terrible, we need to have a man like me fix it. So it fits what hes doing. Its a very dangerous thing, though, to talk about recessions and the economy collapsing. If he says that kind of thing in october, the markets really could go down if hes likely to win. Its a very dangerous comment, and it suggests, and also its as we know, Economic Growth is growing. The job growth is growing in america. Theres no evidence of a massive recession coming. Again, its another place where trump is at war with the facts. Susan, last word. It looks a little selfish to say elect me or the economy is going to go down. If youre not sure, objective data that something is coming. Im not sure she has any. It raises the question if he were president ial and made comments like this, it would have global implications, negative ones, for the economy. For some people who are maybe
undecided between the candidates, they might look and say is this theperson i want to elect . It goes to the idea of trumps strength is his willingness to say what hes thinking, to not have it be filtered. But when youre trying to think about being elected president , thats also his weakness. Attention getting, no doubt about it. Catching our attention. Robert, susan, perry. Not sure its good for the country to talk down the economic future. Thank you all for joining us. Coming up, as trump and cruz gear up for a contested convention this summer, could it be that House Speaker paul ryan will emerge as the republican nominee . Ryan is going out of his way, of course, to say hes not interested, but would the party rather lose with trump or cruz or run a fresh face like ryan to topple hillary . Im thinking a lot about that. Plus, the democratic fight between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. Sanders has momentum right now and should win here tomorrow night. So why is this campaign talking about mistakes its made in the past . I dont think its making many
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well as msnbc political analyst, Howard Fineman of the huffington post. Thank you for joining us. I know youre for kasich, but im looking at a lot of Coverage Today that suggests that ryan will be in the mix once it goes to more than one ballot. Well, chris, first off, thanks for letting me be on your program, and its good to see you again. But lets face the facts. John kasich has got the record. Hes got the ability. Hes got the intellect to be a great president. And if you look back at 1860, when we had the first open convention, the First Convention for republicans, Abraham Lincoln came in number three to the convention in chicago and came out of it. John kasich is well qualified, is a great candidate, and i think hes going to come out with the nomination, either on the second, third, or fourth ballot. Paul ryan is a great person. I support paul ryan. I asked paul if he was going to be a candidate for president. He said absolutely not. I think some day he will be president. But this year is not his time. So i think that if everybody wants a new face and an ability to get this country turned around, john kasich is that person. Lets get behind the person that has shown he can do it, balance the budget, run the state, hes got the record. Hes the person we should nominate. Howard, your view about ryan, because im thinking that roger stone, you dont have to like the guy to know hes smart. And roger stone suggested thats right. Its either going to be trump on the first ballot or ryan on the fourth, and the last several days since he said that, im beginning to see the truth of that because i dont think this gossip involving all this chaos of trump and cruz and kasich is adding up to any clarity. Your thinking . In talking to people across the spectrum, including our mutual buddy roger stone, my sense of it is that how we use
the term zombie candidate the other day, you like that terminology about trump. Well, paul ryan is running a zen campaign. What i mean by that is absolute stillness leads to, in this case, not enlightenment but the nomination. I think he is running by not running. People make phfun of me for sayg that because how do you prove it . I think that interview with the newspaper in israel shows that a prediction is also a wish. He didnt have to go so far as to say a loss for trump in wisconsin would mean an open convention. A lot of people think that even if trump loses in wisconsin, hes still on track for the nomination. So for ryan to go that far in his assessment of the situation shows me yet another sign that if asked, at the appropriate time, hell take it in a cleveland minute. Let me try a couple thoughts by you. Heres why i think ryans in the mix if trump doesnt get the 1,237 requisite majority number going into the convention in cleveland. Number one, ryan has been vetted. He ran for vice president. He didnt do a great job. Didnt do a bad job either running for vp. Hes been made speaker of the house by acclimation. The entire conservative party, the Republican Party accepted him. I think hes a conservative without the crazy. He seems to be the golden mean in that party, and hes also, even though hes been around a bit, he seems fresh. Hes part of the establishment, but at the edge of the establishment. Theres nothing wrong with the guy if youre a republican conservative, and he would unite the party, which is what they desperately need. Their number one goal, it seems to me right now, is to save the Republican Party. Keep it as a Political Party in this country. They got to do that first before they win. And by the way, they also would like to beat Hillary Clinton. And ryan could beat Hillary Clinton because he doesnt have any scar tissue. Well well, i agree with you. Also, without getting bogged down in details about the rules at the convention, theres no particular advantage to john kasich. Yes, he started running at the beginning. But other than that, procedurally at the convention, after the first ballot, it will be just as easy for a paul ryan to be nominated from the floor as it will be for john kasich to be nominated or continue his quest from the floor. So there wont be any real bar after the first ballot because about 70 of all the delegates after the first ballot goround will be unbound. It will be easy for somebody like ryan to step down from the chair hes the permanent chair of the convention. He can easily hand the gavel over to somebody else and wham, he suddenly becomes a major contender. I think its all possible now. I think everything is possible now. Well see a lot more if trump loses here tomorrow, everything becomes more possible. Thank you very much, howard. Our thanks to governor tommy thompson, and thank you, of course, my friend Howard Fineman. Up next, democratic duel. Hillary clinton is campaigning in new york state. Could she pull off an upset here in wisconsin tomorrow . This is going to be close on the democratic side. Could she end the Bernie Sanders threat once and for all by pulling a comeback here in wisconsin tomorrow night . This is hardball, the place for politics, live tonight from milwaukee. burke at farmers, weve seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. Even a stag pool party. party music splashing destruction splashing destruction burke and we covered it, october twentyseventh, 2014. Talk to farmers. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum being hacked and intellectual property being stolen. That is cybercrime and it affects each and every one of us. Microsoft created the digital crimes unit to fight cybercrime. We use the microsoft cloud to visualize information so we can track down the criminals. When it comes to the cloud, trust and security are paramount. Were building what we learn back into the cloud to make people and organizations safer. Dont let dust and allergies get and lifes beautiful moments. With flonase allergy relief, they wont. When we breathe in allergens, our bodies react by over producing six key inflammatory substances that cause our symptoms. Most allergy pills only control one substance. Flonase controls six. And six is greater than one. Flonase outperforms the 1 nondrowsy allergy pill. So you can seize those moments, wherever you find them. Flonase. Six is greater than one changes everything. Whewhat does it look like . Ss,
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would extend sanders victories to 6 out of the last 7 contests and propel him to new yorks primary on april 19th in the top of this game. Msnbc correspondent kasie hunt is covering Bernie Sanders right now, and there is a rally in milwaukee right now. Patrick healy is a New York Times correspondent covering the campaign as well, and here with me in milwaukee is u. S. Congresswoman gwen moore. Shes from this area of milwaukee and shes supporting Hillary Clinton. Kasie, it all seems within the margin of error out here in wisconsin on both sides. Hey, chris. Yeah, forgive me. I cant hear you terribly well because whats going on here is a rave or a concert, i cant really tell exactly what. Were waiting for Bernie Sanders. He obviously is pretty confident going into this. You talked a little bit about, showed what he had to say earlier. I think there is a little bit of danger here in the expectations game for Bernie Sanders. At this point, were looking at
the margin of his win, and if Hillary Clinton can plausibly argue after tomorrows results that she held her own, that this wasnt a significant win, remember, for Bernie Sanders to catch Hillary Clinton in this delegate lead, he has to win states, and he has to win them big, by margins of 60 to 40 . And their argument is going to be if he cant do that in wisconsin, where else is he going to do it . That said, if he does do well here, its going to set up two weeks heading into new york that are potentially very difficult for Hillary Clinton. I think looking ahead, the Sanders Campaign is planning a series of major events in new york city, all expected to draw potentially thousands of people. We saw tens of thousands, basically, in the bronx, 18,000 people showing up. Thats going to be a potentially embarrassing and difficult stretch for her to deal with in her adopted home state. Although one note i will say, back to wisconsin, the crowds today have not been where they
often are for senator sanders. They have been smaller. Even this rally is smaller. A crowd of hundreds, not thousands. Thats pretty unusual. Whether its a telling sign, well have to find out. Thank you very much, kasie hunt, who is with the Sanders Campaign. Pat rorick healy, you wrote in New York Times today, despite the urging of some advisers, mr. Sanders refused last fall and early winter to criticize mrs. Clinton over her 675,000 in speaking fees from goldman sachs, an issue he now targets almost daily. He also gave her a pass on her use of private email as secretary of state, even though some allies of his wanted him to exploit it, and he insists on giving time to his time as senator. Tad devine, by the way, responded to your report today in an interview with andrea mitchell. Here he is. My first talked to them about this a couple weeks ago. I think they were determined to
write a story if Bernie Sanders had run a tough, negative campaign, he could have defeated Hillary Clinton. He was never going to run that camppign. Thats not who he is. What inspired you to write a story about what might have been last year or earlier in the campaign . Bernie is doing pretty well right now. Why go back to what coulda wooda shoulda happened. Thats comaktly it. Hes doing really well right now. The reality is that hes still far behind Hillary Clinton in terms of the pledged delegate count. Certainly in terms of superdelegates. The pledged delegate number is key. Hes more than twice behind her compared to the lead that obama had over Hillary Clinton in 2008. That Hillary Clinton was never able to get, to catch up to. What we were looking at was looking at the question of is Hillary Clinton beatable . You know, was she beatable . And did sanders do kind of whatever it took to beat her . What we found in reporting and talking to tad devine and others, is that there were sort of a series of judgment calls or missed opportunities in 2015 that could have positioned Bernie Sanders to be in a much sort of stronger posture against Hillary Clinton in the pledged delegate count right now. Their entire strategy was based on sweeping iowa, new hampshire, and nevada. That didnt happen. They only won new hamhire. They had to change strategy after nevada. Then they had to change strategy again after super tuesday. Then they find themselves now doing well, hes got a good chance of winning in wisconsin tomorrow. Hes going to contest new york pretty firmly. But hes still so far behind in the pledged delegates, and you know, we can sort of jockey and strategize and spin all we want, but the delegate math is Hillary Clinton and barack obama knew
very well in 2008 and as you know, is the essential sort of standard here. And the reality is, the questions are being asked even in the Sanders Campaign, could there have been a way to have a much closer fight now than they do. Patrick, great to have you back covering politics. My buddy, thank you. Would Hillary Clinton have given Bernie Sanders a bye on the emails if it was his problem . I watched the debate when he said enough about the emails. Would Hillary Clinton ever have let a guy off the hook . Because he had her, and he let her go. Thats when i said this is a protest campaign. This guy isnt going to win. Is hillary going to win tomorrow night . I think hillary is. I think anytime, chris, your campaign relies on not having africanamericans in the state, relies on not having latinos, and you have bragging rights about your potential to win because you dont have a diverse
state, i think that speaks volumes about what what do you constituents think about bernie when you talk to them . What do they think of senator sanders . Changer . Is he a stranger . Its always good to have new friends. So there are many people who have never heard of Bernie Sanders. I point out to them that shes hes been elected to something or other since 1981. Whatever criticisms they have of Hillary Clinton, yeah, but guess what, shes been there. Shes been there through the good times, through the bad times. Stuff thats broken. Shes made efforts and has legislated to fix. And bernie is a new friend with aspirational, profusorial why does Hillary Clinton get dull when she gets in the lead . The minute she gets ahead and looks like shes going to win, no more excitement, no more charisma. Im ahead and im sitting here. Its like the tortoise and the hare. How come the campaign is getting
tight right now . Bernie is gaining on hillary right now. Why . Bernie has spent a lot of time here. Nationwide. Nationwide. Its down to about five points. Right. Well, you know, bernie is exciting. I mean, hes promising no health care premiums. Hes promising free college. Hes going to decriminalize marijuana. Hes going to do all this, and he doesnt have any numbers behind any of his initiatives. What is hillary going to do . What is hillary going to do . What hillary is going to do hillary is going to do what hillary does. What is that . Shes willing to sit down, even with people who dont agree with her, and come to some kind of consensus. Whats one thing shes going to do for the democratic voter that they can get excited about when they vote tomorrow . One of the things shes going to do for people here in wisconsin is not just complain about manufacturing jobs leaving the state. But actually is going to put the political will together to really put some resources into
the solar energy economy. This is the problem you got with hillary. Thats the problem. AHillary Clinton does not have an exciting glistening object she can put in front of the voters and say if you elect me, ill do this. Creating jobs ought to be exciting to people. They all promise that. Shes never caught on in that way, in terms of being the exciting, high enthusiasm candidate. The Clinton Campaign can point to different polls that show her supporters are enthusiastic, but the reality is she got several hundred supporters out in harlem the other day. Bernie sanders had 18,000 out in the bronx. You know, theres just a difference there. But the reality is, as you know well, the tightness thats going on right now, sort of the nervousness in her camp, a lot of it is about new york. She cannot allow herself to be beaten in her adopted home state. Thats a real concern. She beat obama by 18 points in
2008. If somehow Bernie Sanders is able to flip this and hes able to beat her there, while the delegate math may not change appreciably, it could change somewhat, but more so, it will create such a counternarrative to the Hillary Clinton campaign that the primaries after that in pennsylvania, california, and also the superdelegate conversations could become really problematic for hillary. One word from you, how will bernies accent go over in new york . I think it will go over pretty well, chris. I think theyll be waondering, this guy is from vermont, really . Sounds like local. Anyway, thank you. What subway stop is that, senator. Thank you, gwen moore from here, from welcoming us, and Patrick Healy of the New York Times. Still ahead, on wisconsin, could tomorrows primary change the dynamic of these campaigns. I have a milwaukee roundtable, all three of them right here with me. Youre watching hardball live from milwaukee, now the place
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electorate. And higher turnout elections, republicans cannot win across the country. Their way of dealing with demographic change the only way they can cope with a high voter turnout is to limit the people who can cast a ballot. What about the College Students inthey cant vote with their student i. D. S. There are a number of schools who have i. D. S that are all allowable, but not every college. It creates so much confusion among the young people. Tell me about the state tomorrow, what were looking at on the democratic side. Bernie has the bern, the College Campuses, madison, you have College Campuses all over the state, right . Right, yeah, and madison, i mean, madison is bernie territory. Those early rallies that he had in madison were like 10,000 people. And that was how come madison is still like it was in the 60s. How come it has not changed since the vietnam war at all . Its more so. Madison has grown. People vote like crazy. The democrats draw margins out of madison they couldnt have
dreamed of 20 or 30 years ago. How come berkeley hasnt changed, ann arbor hasnt changed, madison hasnt changed. These centers of progressivism are the same as they were in my day in college. It has a big impact on state politics. Yowl veer bernie tomorrow will draw huge numbers at madison. Like the best performing county in america for democrats. Let me ask you about the outcome. Which way is it going . Is hillary tightsening it up, is trump tightening it up . Hillary is tighten itting up in some areas. Were not a winnertakeall, so i assume bernie will do well. Hillary will lead in milwaukee, although the College Students will turn out for bernie here. Trump, he does have support in janesville. He does in places up north. Certainly not southeastern wisconsin, which is kind of conservative talk radio land. Sta scott walker land. Why do you think the people on the right are totally in bed with cruz. They dont like trump at all. It starts with being anticruz. They werent in bed with cruz a month or two months ago. They had walker and then they were moving toward rubio. And their guys kept dropping out. Cruz is just a vehicle, right . Its a strategic tactical move that came together in wisconsin, the antitrump stuff was always there. What percentage of the democratic primary will be africanamerican . It will be around maybe 6 . The state of wisconsin is 6 africanamerican. Maybe a little smaller. Maybe 4 . Bernie country. I wouldnt say that much. Were going to come back. You have to give me a scoop. The roundtable is sticking with us. Up next, these people are going to tell me something i dont know. A scoop out of milwaukee. Anyway, hardball live from milwaukee on the eve of the wisconsin primary. And so my new packing robot will make jet warehouses even more efficient and save shoppers money. Genius oh. No. Charlene . No. Charlene. No. Charlene. Why is she wearing earrings . Why is it a she . Shh. Atet. Com, were always looking for unbelievable money saving innovations. Weve got a big day of programming set for you for tomorrow night. Wisconsin voters head to the polls. 7 00 p. M. , ill have a special with hardball at 7 00 p. M. Eastern live from here in milwaukee. At 8 00 p. M. Eastern, ill join Brian Williams and rachel maddo for complete primetime coverage with full results and analysis of the republican and democratic races here. Its all here on msnbc, the place for politics. Well be right back. I built my business with passion. But i keep it growing by making every dollar count. Thats why i have the spark cash card from capital one. I earn unlimited 2 cash back on everything i buyor my studio. And that unlimited 2 cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business. Thats huge for my bottom line. Whats in your wallet . Some say free the whales. For them, nothing else is acceptable. But nothing could be worse for the whales. Most of the orcas at seaworld were borhere. Sending them into the wild wouldnt be noble. It could be fatal. When they freed keiko, the killerhale of movie fame, the effort was a failure and he perished. But we also understand that times have changed. Today, people are concerned about the Worlds Largest animals like never before. So we too must change. Thats why the orcas in our care will be the last generation at seaworld. There will be no more breeding. Were also phasing out orca theatrical shows. Theyll continue to receive the highest standard of care available anywhere. And guests can come to see them simply being their majestic selves. Inspiring the next generation of people to love them as you do. Were back with a hardball round table. Tell me something i dont know. I was pretty sized last week. I had a conversation with donald trump and other conversations. He noticed i had gotten interrupt bid some of the other reporters and allowed me to stay back and ask questions i hadnt gotten a chance to ask. That surprised you . I was surprised. Seemed quite gentlemanly. Donald trump said kasich should get out of race because hes taking my votes. The kasich people really dont like donald trump. Most wont vote for trump in fall. Theyre little less comfortable from ted cruz. Wisconsin had some very unique issue opinion we. We had a highest black, white achievement gap in the nation. They can address the issues on the democratic side. It will be the ones that carry tomorrow. What is there to do . We have to treat our drug offenders. Weve done it wrong and the people with Mental Illness locked away in prisons but specifically in wisconsin. Our africanamerican incarceration rate, male, is at 13 . Its a sad story all around. Who will win tomorrow night . I think cruz is going to lead. I would not be surprised if
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