Justification for ending the program. Roberts called the administrations total rescission of the program arbitrary and capricious but the justice justices did not rule on whether the program itself is legal. Its the second defeat for trump just this week. On monday the courts majority ruled the 1964 Civil Rights Act protects gay and transgender employees from workplace right now is a time for action. Discrimination. As usual, trump isnt taking it thats why usaa is giving Payment Relief options well and a classic twitter melt to eligible members so they can pay for things like groceries before they worry about their insurance down writing these horrible and or credit card bills. Discover all the ways were helping members today. Politically charged decisions coming out of the Supreme Court are shotgun blasts into the face of people proud to call themselves republicans or conservatives. We need more justices. 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Get a powerful and reliable internet and voice solution would have so many good decisions in one week. For only 29. 95 a month for three months. Who would have thought. For more, i am joined by call or go online today. Julian castro, former secretary of urban development during the obama administration, nina totalenberg and daca recipient and Communications Coordinator for define america. Adrian first, your reaction to this ruling today . Im at a loss for words. Its been an amazing, emotional roller coaster of emotions since the morning, and its an amazing welcome back. Decision but the fight continues. Well, despite a spike of we need permanent legislation for all Daca Recipients, and for coronavirus cases, donald trump is moving ahead with his rally the rest of the undocumented in tulsa. Trump supporters are lining up, population this this country, taking their cue from trump and thats on congress. Himself, telling an interviewer it was wholeheartedly welcomed yesterday that the coronavirus is, quote, dying out. And its a sigh of relief for well, ill be here tomorrow at sure. And former Vice President joe biden has said thats exactly 7 00 p. M. , and all in with what he wants to do if hes chris hayes is up next. Elected. When president obama, you know, the reason he went to daca is tonight on all in, a that he couldnt get a bill through. Republicans simply refused to surprise victory for dreamers. Allow it to happen. Do you think that people how the president sabotaged understand, among young voters in particular right now, who may himself in the Supreme Court. The man who won the daca case have undocumented family members and friends, that electing the and beat donald trump will join senate, electing a senate thats me. Then, as the coronavirus surges in some red states, the going to be willing to pass a bill is just as important as governors begin taking it electing a new president . Seriously, but is it already too yes, i believe thats whats late . The new needed. I think this is a motivating factor for young people to go out and vote. And i hope that happens because we need the support from everyone and we need to pass legislation thats going to be comprehensive. Yeah, and let me go to nina. Just on the ruling itself, and this is too for my producers. I want to read a bit of Clarence Thomas wrote the dissent. I sometimes want to be surprised in the world. Todays decision must be recognized for what it is, an effort to avoid a politically controversial but legally correct decision. The court could have made clear that the solution respondents seek must come from the legislative branch. Instead the majority has decided to prolong dhss initial joe overreach. He doesnt account for the fact that there was multiple attempts to pass immigration reform, and republicans filibustered and prevented it. So that is why executive orders exist, but your thoughts on the ruling today . Well, you know, it really was a bit of a surprise. I was at the oral argument, and there was really no indication that the chief justice, i would say from the chief justice that tipped his hand in this direction. In fact, somewhat to the contrary. But this is a very precarious moment for the United States, and theres a lot going on. And i think the chief justice has tried valiantly to persuade people that the court may be a conservative court but that its a fair court and it will view these things fairly, and that the issue is the law, not politics, and i think the la lo people didnt believe him. It seemed not likely to be true, and here we have in a matter of several days, decisions that you would have not expected from a conservative court. This ones 54. The lgbt one was 63, and it was by Justice Gorsuch, president trumps nominee. I hope i didnt lose you, nina. I didnt hear you for a moment. I hope youre still there. I think the cynical view of john roberts is that his goal in a lot of cases whether it was on the Affordable Care act or even now in some of these rulings, hes ruling on is to save the court, the reputation of the court from donald trump and from the ways in which donald trump is denigrating government, and denigrating the system, and norms. And that is sort of what people feel or that what hes doing is hes softening up the public for the bad things to come. Heres whats still on their docket. Theyre still to rule on whether donald trump can block disclosure of his financial records to house committees and prosecutors, which the law says hes supposed to, whether he can fire the Consumer Financial protection board, a director without cause. Whether the administration can allow employers to deny contraception coverage on religious or moral grounds, whether the louisiana law requiring doctors to perform abortions to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals. Theres a lot of stuff that can still theres a lot of stuff that gorsuch and john roberts can still do damage on, and a lot of people dont trust the guy, quite frankly, to helped to gut the Civil Rights Act and whos in a lot of ways responsible for Citizens United states united. A lot of people dont trust him to be consistent. John roberts is a conservative job but more classically conservative in the sense that he would rather not take big steps. He would rather take tiny steps, and im not inside his head, but i think a chief justice does have to navigate the shoals of at the moment there are people on the right and the left, very well financed groups on the right and on the left who want to pack the court with likeminded justices, want to some people on the left want to expand the number of justices, limit terms for justices, all of that is going on and its very threatening to the court itself and to its reputation. It could, you know, you have people as diverse as Justice Ginsberg and Clarence Thomas. Not thinking this is a good idea. They think the court can do its job. Now, people who care passionately about issues may fear that if they lose, they lose a lot. But these folks believe in the law. They believe that they can call the shots the way they see them. And that the law matters most and in this case, the chief justice sided with the courts liberals. On monday, he not only sided with Justice Gorsuch and assigned him the opinion, but the true trump appointees plisp. I think tahats good for the court. Good for the courts reputation. Courts are not supposed to do what we all want all the time. Sometimes you find out they were righter than you were. Weve got abortion, as you pointed out coming up. I think thats probably the most fraught one in some ways, but, you know, this is the job of the courts. We will absolutely see. I want to bring secretary julian castro. You ran for president. You know that the stakes are very high in terms of the presidency, and what it can do, what it can accomplish when faced with a congress that isnt willing. I want to play you a set of people who were involved in one way or the other on the issue of immigration, at least some of them. Marco rubio, james langford, and one rafael a. K. A. Ted cruz, and what they had to say about the decision. Here they are. Some of the folks, that, you know, the Republican Party have put on its bench are becoming activists in the role theyre playing and its concerning, and frankly, i mean, it undermines the very purpose of the court. That they have now said every future administration has to play mother may i with every court to say do i like your opinion and your reasons enough. This is gamesmanship. Chief Justice Roberts knows exactly what hes doing. This decision today was lawless. It was gains manship, and it was contrary to the judicial oath that each of the nine justices has taken. Your thoughts, secretary castro . I mean, you know, it is Something Else to see these senators who lavish praise on justices like Justice Roberts and gorsuch who was a part of the coalition that voted, the members that voted, you know, on the lgbt decision earlier in the week, they Supreme Court, and yet, they say that its all politics, like the president did, when theres a decision that they dont agree with. Really, you know, what i saw today was over 700,000 young people in this country who are american in every sense of the word, breathe a big sigh of relief because at least for a little while, and we do need a permanent solution to this, we need legislation, but at least for a little while, theyre not having to walk on pins and needles. Theyre not worried that they might get deported, that their family is going to be torn apart because all of a sudden theyve got to go to a country that they have never really called home. So thats a big victory. Now those same senators who were expressing such frustration and disappointment with the court, what they can do is that they can actually get to work, and providing a permanent solution to this, and as you know, joy, a few years ago in 2013, there were 68 votes in the senate, including a number of republicans that were willing to do immigration reform, and this would have been a part of that. And so i say the challenge to them is go do it. Get it done. If you dont like this, get it done. Yeah, and i will remember that marco rubio started out on the committee that was supposed to be making it happen, and sold himself as somebody who could make that compromise and ducked out on his own bill. I want to thank you for being here. Adrian, this is a great day for you, adrian escarte. Thats perfect. Thank you so much. You all have a great night. Coming up, senator Kamala Harris joins me on Donald Trumps very very very bad week. Plus, the bolton bomb shells that came out five months too late to do us all any good. Stay with us. Do these moves look familiar . Then you might have a condition called dry mouth. Biotene is clinically proven to soothe and moisturize a dry mouth. Plus, it freshens breath. Biotene. Immediate and long lasting dry mouth symptom relief. Theyre going to be paying for this for a long time. 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Meanwhile, donald trump, the president of the United States, remains singularly focused on just one person, himself. On saturday, trump is set to join thousands of his most zealous supporters to rally on mass in a confined space during a pandemic. Surprisingly this comes as polls continue to show trump lose to go joe biden, and a new Associated Press norc poll shows an overwhelming number of americans, 74 , believe the country is headed in the wrong direction and for more, im joined with senator Kamala Harris of california, and senator harris, always good to talk to you. I have to start by asking you as a former prosecutor, how do you react to the charges we saw filed in dramatic fashion against these two Police Officers, one of whom is charged with felony murder in the killing of Rayshard Brooks . Well, i have to applaud the prosecutor, paul howard, who from day one, from the day of the incident, i recall, seeing him make statements that he was going to take the case very seriously, that he would move swiftly, putting all of the resources at his disposal into it, and clearly thats what he did. I applaud that. This is part of what is being demanded on the streets of america and 50 states where people are marching is that there be justice, and that equal justice under the law, and so thats where we are, and i applaud the swift and serious attention that he gave it. And you know having done the job that part of the, you know, a lot of the game is played in the voir dire, who gets to sit on that jury, and what is their attitude toward police, and you know, presumably, you know, the defense for these officers are going to try to get people who think a lot like, for instance, donald trump, so i want to let you listen to what donald trump, he is sort of emoting about what he thinks about this case. Here he was on fox news. The event that took place yesterday, i thought it was a terrible situation, but you cant resist a Police Officer, and you know, if you have a disagreement, you have to take it up after the fact. I hope he gets a fair shake because police have not been treated fairly in our country. They have not been treated fairly. But again, you cant resist a Police Officer like that, and they ended up in a very terrible disagreement. A very terrible disagreement is a weird way to put one guy ended up dead. But there are a lot of people who think like that, if youre putting yourself in the position of this prosecutor, how do you combat that . Well, one, through the process of voir dire, which is jury selection, we look for jurors and potential jurors who can put their bias aside. We look for jurors who approach any issue with reason and practical perspective. Joy, actually, i cant even compare that to donald trump because he is so deeply biassed, and uninformed, and, i mean, i just cant even go through this exercise. I totally understand. But it is important that but youre raising a very important point, which is that part of the challenge that we have and this is part of what our bill seeks to address, our justice and policing bill, cory booker together and me, and cbs fellow black caucus members offering a bill, we have to make sure theres accountability and consequence when people break the rules and break the laws, including Police Officers, and part of what that prosecutor is going to have to argue in court, its the same point were a arguing in the United States senate, equal justice under law. When people break the law, even if theyre Police Officers, there has to be a consequence and accountability and in this case, for the crime of murder. And you know tor, to get to bill, i have heard a lot of people say, you know what, the bill that the House Democrats put forward, it actually sounds strong, banning choke holds, banning no knock warrants, saying that qualified immunity needs to be relaxed or rescinded, that police shouldnt have so much immunity that they almost cant be held responsible, no new money. The Senate Republicans came out with their version of a bill lining up behind tim scott that basically has, like, suggestions and grants. So i think the worry is that there will be a temptation by the house to go to conference on the senate bill and that what well end up with is a weaker bill than what the house has. Are you concerned about that . Let me tell you, first of all, i have no question about tim scotts motivation. He has courageously spoken on the senate floor about his personal experiences with racism at the hands of Law Enforcement, took a lot of courage and a lot of honesty to do that. That being said, the bill being offered by the republicans is weak. It will not change anything in any substantial way. Lets take, for example, the issue of no knock warrants, breonna taylor, that young woman, that emergency medical technician who was asleep in her bed died and was killed. Hes saying lets report it afterwards, theres so much about his bill thats about confessionals, after the fact. Ours is about saying we need accountability and consequence. We need to have a National Standard for use of force. Why . Because currently the system is when an officer uses Excessive Force to ask was that use of force reasonable . Well, you can reason away just about anything, the more fair and just question to ask is was that use of force necessary. These are the things we are doing with our bill. There must be accountability and consequence. That is the way that the people will trust that justice is being done in terms of Law Enforcement, in terms of our courtrooms, and for too long, we have been talking about training. We have been talking about commissions. We have been talking about everybody getting together and having a conversation. Thats not working. And our bill actually deals with very specific issues that must be addressed. And you know, were here on the eve of juneteenth where donald trump darn near had a rally, but they are doing it on saturday. We are looking at a situation where there have been multiple people hanged, ruled suicides around the country, and i cant leave here without asking you, you know, do you trust that we have a Justice Department that will take seriously the concerns that africanamerican have when youre seeing multiple young people hanged in various states. I believe one or two of them were in california, and it is frightening to think we have to talk about lynching again. I know that you are a big part of a bill to try to create a federal lynching law. What do you make of that . Well, you know, again to your point about the Justice Department. One of the things in the justice for policing, our bill, is that where we have seen with donald trump and bill barr, a failure of leadership out of the United States department of justice, we are investing responsibilities and power in states attorneys general to take up the slack. So in california, for example, the state attorney general is overseeing the investigation of those hangings that have taken place in california. So where there is a failure of leadership at the federal level, we also should invest folks at the state level to do it, and joy you should also know together with my colleagues, cory booker and tina smith, and ed markey, we are proposing that juneteenth be a national holiday, and we are dropping that bill to say that juneteenth should actually be a national holiday. Making some news tonight. Im announcing it for the first time, yes. And announcing it, making some news, a federal holiday. That sound like a capital idea. Thank you, we always love it when you break news, senator. Thank you so much, senator Kamala Harris, happy juneteenth, and maybe a federal holiday. You too, thank you. Thank you. And up next, a series of bomb shells from john boltons tell all book leaves you wondering why nobody was raising alarms about his behavior, including john bolton. More after this. Stay with us. Thousands of women with metastatic Breast Cancer, which is Breast Cancer that has spread to other parts of the body, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. Ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr her2 metastatic Breast Cancer, as the first hormonal based therapy. Ibrance plus letrozole significantly delayed disease progression versus letrozole, and shrank tumors in over half of patients. 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Now, these are the kind of revelations that would have been really really helpful to hear as the United States senate decided whether or not to remove donald trump during his impeachment. Bolton chose to remain silent. Only now, five months too late is bolton admitting that trump has no business being president. I dont think hes fit for office. I dont think he has the competence to carry out the job. There really isnt any guiding principle that i was able to discern other than whats good for Donald Trumps reelection. I think he was so focused on the reelection that longer term considerations fell by the wayside, so if he thought he could get a photo opportunity with kim jong un at the Demilitarized Zone in korea, there was considerable emphasis on the photo opportunity and the press reaction to it and little or no focus on what such meetings did for the bargaining position of the United States. Among other things, bolton describes trumps meeting with north korean dictator, kim jong un as a quote foolish mistake. He called trumps infamous summit with Vladimir Putin at he helsinki a selfinflicted wound. When president xi told trump he was building concentration camps, trump said he should go ahead with building the camps which was exactly the right thing to do. The book describes trumps inclination to give quote personal favors to dictators he liked by promise to go interfere in u. S. Pattern looked like obstruction of justice as a way of life. Stop boltons book before its released next tuesday. Hes denying the allegations calling bolton a liar, and seeking an Emergency Court order. Doing so, trump is making contradictory arguments saying the book is full of classified information and lies. Both cant be true. Which is, mr. President . Thats up next. U doug you know limu, after all these years its the ones that got away that haunt me the most. 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Tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection and before stopping any asthma medicines, including oral steroids. Du more with less asthma. Talk to your doctor about dupixent. I will consider every conversation with me as president highly classified. So that would mean that if he wrote a book and if the book gets out, hes broken the law. Welcome back. Well, that was donald trump on monday saying that john bolton will be breaking the law by publishing his book because according to trump, all of his conversations are classified. Trump is even seeking an emergency order to stop the books publication. At the same time, trump is claiming that boltons book is made up of lies and fake stories, adding much is pure fiction. Hes trying to say boltons allegations are both false and classified despite the fact that the two things cant be true at the same time. The problem for trump is the damage is done. Boltons allegations, some of the most damming ones are out in the world for free before bolton sells a single copy, and they only reinforce the overwhelming case that was laid out during the impeachment proceedings. Here is congressman adam schiff, the lead impeachment manager, just today. It was part of a pattern, of the president consistently putting his personal, political interests above the interests of the nation and to the detriment of our National Security. These were themes of course that we emphasized during the trial. Bolton really confirms them, i think, quite clearly in this book. You can certainly question, and i think should question john boltons patriotism in withholding this information in an impeachment proceeding but that doesnt necessarily detract from the seriousness of what he alleges against the president. Im joined now by ben rhodes, former deputy National Security adviser under president obama, and ben, i have to ask you this, you know, yes, theres a question as to the patriotism of john bolton in which he would only give these revelations about the president of the United States for money rather than testify and help the American People and help the United States senators make an impeachment decision. Thats true. But he also lived through years of this as he says things like putin can play trump like a fiddle. He talked about donald trump privately complaining about journalists and saying they should be executed. They are scum bags, they should be executed. That was said in front of him. Given that he knew all of this, that he knew what helsinki meant, was john bolton fit to be National Security adviser . Well, i certainly dont think so, joy. I mean, youre right, he went to work every day and went along with what he himself now describes as a fundamentally corrupt American Foreign policy and a fundamentally corrupt white house. He was in the room at these times. He was there when the president of the United States was seeking chinese intervention in our election on our behalf. In a room in which the president of the United States endorsed the chinese strategy to put 1 million uyghurs, a Muslim Minority in china in concentration camps. He only seemed to have left after donald trump did not go into a war with iran that john bolton was pursuing. I think we can certainly question john boltons judgment here, but at the same time, joy, the stories he tells, the details he provides, fully corroborate what we already knew to be true about donald trump and fills in a broader picture. We saw in great detail in the impeachment process, for instance, that donald trump was willing to make the Foreign Policy of the United States services on political interests in ukraine, while john bolton shows us how he did the same thing in china, so these arent new lessons about trump but there are new details that go along with the things we already know to be true about this president. Well, i think you make a really good point. One wonders if this man would have written this book at all, even though he knows that donald trump went and begged and pleaded for china to help get him reelected after he tried to extort ukraine to try to help himself get reelected whether he would have written one word about this if donald trump had been willing to go to war in iran. I dont have an answer about that. Do you have a speculation . Well, my speculation is, you know, john bolton would have wanted to stick around for that war, and frankly did everything he could to get us to the brink of it. Its kind of astonishing to think back, joy, that it was only a few months ago, after john bolton had left, frankly, that we were on the brink of a war with iran. I think that the broader lesson here, joy, is all of the people who have enabled donald trump, the people kwhwho have worked i that white house, and the Republican Party in congress that voted to acquit him of crimes that he was clearly guilty of in the impeachment process, there is a reckoning coming for all of them, and just coming out after the fact and saying, yeah, i was troubled by this at the time only raises the question of well then why you didnt do anything about it when you had an opportunity to do something about it at the time, and so to me, you know, i think part of the story here is, yeah, you know donald trump puts his personal interests first. We know hes corrupt. The question is why has so much of the Republican Party, whether its figures like john bolton, who have been at the center of republican politics so wrong or senators who voted to acquit of crimes they knew he was guilty of, why are they doing this, and how is history going to judge them . I dont think its going to judge them well. Its a good question. He tries to give john kelly, he questioned his erratic behavior, and then he went and joined the board of a company caging children. Youre not a hero, dude. Let me play for you, john bolton on abc, hes taking full advantage of the prebook release tour, talking about Vladimir Putin, and this is an interesting bite. Take a listen. I think putin thinks he can play him like a fiddle. I think putin is smart, tough. I think he sees that hes not faced with a serious adversary here. I dont think hes worried about donald trump. When youre dealing with somebody like putin who has made his life understanding russias strategic position in the world against donald trump who doesnt enjoy reading about these issues or learning about them, its a very difficult position for america to be in. As somebody who has been deputy National Security adviser, what would be the challenge that joe biden would face if he manages to win and becomes president in dealing with a world in which putin is this emboldened . Well, i think the enormous challenge is the complete collapse, essentially in americans standing around the world, which has different dimensions. First of all, we have just been through a pandemic where normally, the United States would be the ones organizing the response to that pandemic. Thats what happened when there was an ebola outbreak, in the obama administration, that ultimately led to two deaths in the United States. The u. S. Has been totally absent from that, and nations like china and russia have moved quickly to try and fill that void. I think theres Something Else thats fundamentally important here, joy, the United States used to stand for something. We used to stand for a set of values. We didnt get it in our Foreign Policy. A lot of people could look at us and think this is a country that cares about basic fundamental human rights that more often than not tries to stand up to dictators, instead of advancing the interests of dictators, tries to support our allies and support democracy in the world instead of undermining it, and the world has lived through if joe biden is elected four years of which the United States was doing the opposite of that. We need to rebuild our kr credibility. One thing i would say that connects to people in the street, the thing that gives me hope is protests you see around the world echoing the protests that are taking place in the United States with respect to black lives matter and structural racism. It shows theres a world out there that wants us to be america, and joe biden has to take advantage of that opportunity skpand reflect that hes elected president. You make a really good point. It also shows that most americans are not down with this. Most americans are not part of whatever trump is trying to create, and its good that its visual for the rest of the world to see that, were not all trumpist. Ben rhodes, thank you very much for talking to me tonight. Up next, donald trump takes credit for making the juneteenth holiday very famous. Very famous. Yes, you heard that right. He thinks its him, he did that, he made juneteenth famous. Youre welcome, black america, you are not going to want to miss this. Stick around. Y, can i. 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After facing an avalanche of criticism, trumps rally was pushed to saturday, and instead of acknowledging his mistake, trump is trying to take credit, telling the wall street journal, quote, i did something good, i made juneteenth very famous, its actually an important event, important time, but nobody had ever heard of it. Nobody had ever heard of it. Im joined by Nicole Hannah jones, Pulitzer Prize winning reporter and ja meal smith, Senior Writer for rolling stone. The genius behind the 1619 project, you know, it is not surprising to me that not all americans are familiar with juneteenth. I grew up in colorado. It is a very western holiday. When i moved back to brooklyn, new york, people really didnt celebrate it. Its only been acknowledged in the states, in most states since the 2000s. But is it credible to the you that the white house staff, that no one there understood that he was planning this rally on juneteenth and in this place where the greenwood massacre took place . You know, its always hard to tell how much is just sheer incompetence and how much of it is racialized trolling. Someone was asking me the other day did i think this move was a dog whistle to Trump Supporters, and i said i dont think most Trump Supporters have heard of juneteenth or know that the tulsa massacre occurred. But i think it does speak in general to this lack of knowledge about history as pertaining to black americans of the way that we have marginalized the history of slavery and that we dont acknowledge emancipation day. It is possible that a lot of people just dont know and it is also possible that it is intentional. You know, there is this New York Times piece that it says inside the white house, some aids did raise concerns about holding it on juneteenth. The Trump Campaign director conceded he had not been aware of the holiday. But then he responded, ill throw this part to you, then he responded that the campaign had held events on jewish holidays and last year held a Merry Christmas rally. He said, he thought it would not be a problem. They have issued one, two, three statements about juneteenth from the trump white house. When trump says hes unaware of it, they put out statements on juneteenth. So somebody there knew it was there. Your thoughts . They obviously knew that juneteenth existed. Whether or not they actually intended to insult us by holding it in tulsa, you know, like nicole said, im not sure whether they did this intentionally. I think its more alarming to think they did not do it intentionally, that they simply did not care about us enough to have any regard for the fact that they were insulting us. I think, frankly, if they had chosen a different city. If they said were going to have this in dallas, if were going to have this in houston, if were going to have this in new orleans, were going to have this in tampa, theyre not having this conversation. They chose tulsa, the site of this terrible event to have this eve event. It is hard not to see something deliberate. And, you know, just on the nicole, you know, the tulsa massacre is such a lot of people didnt know about that. A lot of people thought that the watchman opening, if people havent seen watchman, you should totally watch it. But it shows the planes that were used to actually bomb this black community that was called black street. People dont even know that its real and dont understand that that level of violence took place. Do you think that making you know, we just had senator Kamala Harris announce that she and three other senators including corey booker are pushing to make to make juneteenth emancipation day a national holiday. Do you think that kind of recognition is actually needed because people dont understand what emancipation meant. Even black people dont know the holiday existed, didnt know. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the fact that we dont have an emancipation day speaks to the larger effort to sanitize the history of racial violence in this country. How can we actually confront why people have been marching in the streets for the last three weeks straight if we dont acknowledge what got us here. We have buried this history that the tulsa massacre, more than 300 black people were killed, black people were inturned. We had Law Enforcement supplying the weaponry for that mass ka s massacre. All of that matters when we want to understand why are black people having such a lack of wealth today . Why are black people still being killed by the police . So absolutely part of a reckoning has to come with conn althink weve got to change tha