Im live tonight in charleston. We begin tonight with a major victory for the American People at the Supreme Court. The court upheld a key part of the Affordable Care act the subsidies to help people pay for their insurance. The justices voted 63 to keep the subsidies. In his decision chief Justice John Roberts wrote Congress Passed the Affordable Care act to improve Health Insurance markets, not to destroy them. The decision is great news for the 6. 4 million americans who buy insurance on the federal exchange. Also great news for president obama. Here you can see him celebrating the decision with his chief of staff. Moments later, he spoke to the American People. There can be no doubt that this law is working. It has changed and in some cases saved american lives. Its set this country on a smarter, stronger course. And today after more than 50 votes in congress to repeal or waeg weaken this law, after a president ial election based in part on preserving our repealing that law, after multiple challenges to this law before the Supreme Court, the Affordable Care act is here to stay. After years of gop attacks, the law was upheld once again by the conservative chief justice. So how are republicans coping . The problem with obamacare is still fundamentally the same. The law is broken. We will continue our efforts to do everything we can to put the American People back in charge of their open health care and not the federal government. Theyre still in denial. They just dont get it. And when a reporter asked if the house will hold the vote on a Gop Health Care plan heres what Speaker Boehner said. Im not sure im not well see. There has been discussion about that. But most of the discussion so far this year was if the court ruled against the administration. Well see . Doesnt sound like much of a plan to me. And over in the senate, harry reid had some good advice. Stop banging your heads against the wall. Its the law of this nation. Stop it. Move on. Stop it move on. Get over it. Get a hobby. They can do whatever they want, just stop trying to take Health Care Away from millions of people. This is the not an abstract thing anymore. This is not a set of political talking points. The not an abstract thing anymore. This is not a set of political talking points. This is reality. This law is working exactly as its supposed to. In many ways this law is working better than we expected to. For all the misinformation campaigns, all the doomsday predictions, all talk of death penals and Job Disruption for all the repeal attempts this law is now helping tens of millions of americans. Joining me now is congresswoman Janet Schakowsky democrat of illinois and jeffrey rosen, president and ceo of the National Constitution center. Thank you both for being here. Thank you. Thank, revreverend. Congresswoman, todays ruling upheld subsidies for more than 230,000 people in your home state of illinois alone. How are you feeling about the ruling today . This was a great day today. Really for 17 million americans. Thats how many more are insured because of the Affordable Care act. And in my statement alone, 19,000 people who rely on subsidies are breathing a sigh of relief. This is a really great day. You know jeffrey, chief Justice Roberts has now twice written opinions upholding the Affordable Care act. What surprised you today is this . Well, i was not surprised. I had predicted a 63 decision and i think its entirely in keeping with what he said when he was nominated which is that he didnt like 54 decisions on partisan grounds. He thinks its important to put the legitimacy of the court above the ideology. And he believes in deferring to congress and actually figuring out what it actually meant to achieve rather than playing gotcha by taking words out of context. He doesnt believe that you should ignore what congress is trying do and it was so striking to see him review history of the act, Congress Efforts to insure millions of americans and i think it was a really proud day for the Supreme Court. You know congresswoman, president obama also said today we still have work to do on health care. Listen to this. Were going to keep working to get more people covered. Im going to work as hard as i can to convince more governors and state legislators to take advantage of the law put politics aside and expand medicaid and cover their citizens. We still got states out there that for political reasons are not covering millions much people that they could be covering. Will this ruling make it harder for states for expand medicaid . I hope that they will do that. As he said millions of people could get health care and billions of dollars could be going into states that havent expanded medicaid yet. Its really unbelievable that governors would turn down not only insuring their open people but all that money that would come from the federal government. This would not even require a state match to come to their states. But im telling you, reverend al, these republicans especially those who are running for president , are doubling down and talking about repeal and replace. And that conversation has been going on since 2010 since the law passed and we havent seen one iota of replace. And you saw john boehner our speaker hemming and hawing about whether or not we were going to see any action to really replace obamacare. 60 times the house has voted to repeal obamacare. And as you said its time for them to call it off, to get a life to buckle down now to make this law even better. Jeffrey, Justice Scalia wrote the dissent for this case and lets just say he was not happy. Among other things he wrote we should start calling this law scotusscare or Supreme Court of the United States scare. He said the majority interpretation means words no longer have meaning and, quote, impossible possibility thy name is an opinion on the Affordable Care act. Seems pretty unusual, doesnt it . He had some zingers in there. Seems pretty unusual, doesnt it . He had some zingers in there. He called chief Justice Roberts interpretation absurd. This is consistent with his philosophy. Hes principled about. Hes what is called a texturalist. He believes if the words are clear, you should not look at what congress was trying to achieve. In his words, the words were clear. He talked about exchanges by the state but not those by the federal government. So no doubt that he meant what he said and he accused chief Justice Roberts twice not only in this case but also in the previous Affordable Care act case of rewriting the law in order to Save Congress from its own imper six. But chief Justice Roberts said when you look at that language in context, its so obvious what congress was trying do and it couldnt possibly have intended to deny millions of people Health Insurance. It was a fascinating debate about how you should interpret the laws and statutes and i think both the majority and the dissent were making it in good faith, but chief Justice Roberts made a very strong artgument. A lot of conservatives are pretty unhappy with Justice Roberts over the decision. Speaker boehner wouldnt even comment. Listen to this. Did you expect Something Different when john roberts was confirmed to the Supreme Court . Are you disappointed in how his tenure has turned out . Ill let the legal beagles around the country debate the chief justice of the Supreme Court. Im just a mere speaker of the house. But on twitter, we saw conservatives tweeting things calling him Benedict Arnold w. s biggest mistake. One person said he was being blackmailed or intimidated by president obama. Pretty strong reaction isnt it congresswoman . Well, its ridiculous. I mean the truth of the matter is that had they ruled against the Affordable Care act, i think it would have been the most political decision since bush v. Gore. All of the evidence is very clear. There were four words that mentioned the states. It never had language that excluded the federal government. And all of the decisions that have been made by the Congressional Budget Office by the Internal Revenue service, by the republicans themselves in their own budgets made the intent of the congress very clear that we meant to cover all of the not just the state exchanges, but all of the states in the union. And so theyre angry because they dont like obamacare. But the court made the correct decision as our expert has said. Well, congresswoman Janet Schakowsky and jeffrey rosen, thank you both for your time tonight especially on this huge day. Thank you reverend. Thank you. Coming up a big revelation about the video in the takemir rice shooting and an emotional interview with his father. Speaking out, his father is, on what would have been his sons 13th birthday. It in my heart, yeah. Is it tough feeling in there and not here . Real tough. Tamir rice would have been 13 years old today. Plus healing and hope and challenging in charleston. New signs tonight that real change could happen even people far apart on most issues like myself and South Carolina governor nikki haley can find reason to hug. When heartburn comes creeping up on you. Fight back with relief so smooth. Its fast. Tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue. 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Health insurance should be affordable and available to all. And posted a photograph of herself hugging president obama. 2016 republicans arent taking the news as well. Its a total disaster. Its a big lie. He got by lying 28 defendant times. Whoever the Republican Party may nominate, the one thing i can assure you is that they will repeal and replace obamacare with something better. Im really disappointed in this. I think its a missed opportunity. I disagree with their decision. I believe obamacare is bad for the country. These rogue houdinis have trances more biguyed a federal exchange . N. To into an exchange, quote established by the state. This is lawless. Ive seen some go perform freakouts in my time, but this is a big one. Mike huckabee called it an out of control act of judicial tyranny. Carla fiorina called it outrageous and Chris Christie said the decision turns common language on his head. I guess john roberts wont be on their Christmas Card list this year. Other candidates just went back to the archives to dust off their old talking points. Jeb bush called it fatally flawed. Rick perry says its time we repealed obamacare. Umm. Havent heard that one before. Scott walker called it destructive and costly. And bobby jindal said we should repeal and replace. Is this deja vu all over again some for republicans, the 2016 election is already sounding a lot like 2012. And we all know how that turned out. Joining me now ed rendell. Thanks for being here tonight, governor. My pleasure. Its a great day for america. Yes, it is. Weve seen this kind of freakout on the republican side before though, havent we . Yeah we have. And what bothers me is that they continue to lie about the Affordable Care act even in the face of new facts. Jeb bush said its a job killing mandate. Well, has he been watching the economy ever since the Affordable Care act went into law . Each month weve added private sector jobs. Its not a job killer at all. Secondly, they say it will cause Health Care Costs to rise. Well before the Affordable Care act, Health Care Costs were rising 10 a year. Since that the increase has been much lower and in fact in 14 states this year they actually reduced health care losts. No increase, a reduction in 14 states. And thirdly, they said it will add to the federal deficit, the cbo said originally that it would cut the federal deficit by 100 billion over ten years. Now that estimate is closer to 200 billion over ten years. So they continue to sing the same song and its incorrect, its lies and they know it is. You know republicans have had so many chances to stop this law, governor. The 2010 congress before the law passed, the 2012 Supreme Court case, the 2012 president ial election and the Supreme Court case today. Why complaint republicans running for president just let it go . Because i think its a good issue with the base in the primaries. Because i think its a good issue with the base in the primaries. Each time we take a poll the Affordable Care act becomes much more popular. And im tell you, rev, every one of these republican candidates who have been trashing the decision down deep have to be happy about the decision. Because if they decided that the 8 Million People who get Health Care Subsidies through the federal exchanges no longer could get them they would have to come up with some concrete idea how to replace health care for those 8 million. And they dont have an idea. So they are very, very fortunate that the Supreme Court decided what they did. Heres what karl rove had to say today about the ruling earlier today. Watch this. The republicans have a plan to replace the Affordable Care act, i do believe this will be a big issue in the 2016 president ial los angeles. This is election. This is a victory for the president , but its not the end of the battle. Karl rove saying its not the end of the battle. But republicans have lost every battle. Whats the strategy . Lets assume hypothetically that in 02016 we elected a republican president republican house, republican at some. Would they be in position to repeal the Affordable Care act . Absolutely not. Because in the senate, 40 senators can block anything from going into what you. So as long as the democrats had 40 senators in the senate, they can never get the repeal through. So really again theyre misleading the American People and they know theyre misleading the american public. Governor ed rendell, thank you for your time tonight. My pleasure. Ahead charleston starts laying the rest of the beautiful nine and the country starts to open a new conversation about progress. Plus big news in the tamir rice case. The prosecution says there is Higher Quality video of the shooting that we didnt though about before. When you travel, we help you make all kinds of connections. Connections you almost miss. And ones you never thought youd make. 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These are live pictures from emanuel in charleston at the wake of clementa pinkly. Hell pinkly. Hell be laid to rest tomorrow. The first funerals were held today. I was there as we remembered ethel lance, a 75yearold mother of five. We heard from his grandson. She was a victim of hate and she can be a symbol for love. Thats what she was in life. Hate is powerful but love is more powerful. We also bid farewell to sharonda singleton, a mother of three who coached track and field. So positive personality and character. As the nation embraces nine grieving families we face some tough questions. Just yesterday, alabama removed the Confederate Flag from its statehouse grounds. But as the New York Times column suggests tearing down the Confederate Flag is just a start. Its hard to focus on the flag when, quoez, almost twothirds of black children grow up in low income families and when black men in their 20s without a disple madedis diploma are more likely to be incarcerated than employed. There are bigger questions to confront and were starting to see it. Protesters rallied in the home district of a gop congressman blocking a fix to the Voting Rights act and a Bipartisan Group of law makers just introduced an ambitious new bill aimed at criminal Justice Reform. The tough conversation is starting to happen. But its just a start. Joining me now is the author of that New York Times piece nicholas chrisoff. Thank you for being here tonight. My pleasure. I read your piece on the plane flying down this morning. It inspired the speech i gave today. Because you talk about taking down the flag is important, but there are deeper problems we cannot gloss over, arent there . Absolutely. And we in the news media, we tend to focus on the drama, the symbols. And those symbols are real. That flag was used as the banner by which people you know fought to extend slavery to fight civil rights. But at the end of the day, it is a symbol. And i think its now time both to celebrate the triumph over that symbol but also to pivot to matters of real substance. If you think about the inequities in america today, they dont involve so much the flag, they involve the fact that a black boy at first is projected to live five years less than a white boy. They involve profound inequities in education, in incarceration, in criminal justice. And i think that is the agenda we now have to swivel over to. You write so good rid answer to cop fed ratkop Confederate Flags and lets swivel. Children dont have an equal shot at life because of the color of their skin. How big a role does economic fairness play into the equal shot that you mentioned, nicholas . You know absolutely. But its complicated. And if you look at the progress since the 1960s, in some ways there really has been tremendous progress. And there is a much bigger black middle class than there ever was before. But there are an awful lot of people who are stuck and not getting traction. And the working class in general has suffered. Those people who were educationally left behind who are High School Dropouts or only high school graduates, whether theyre white or black, face a huge obstacle and those who were africanamerican in particular. And so if we try to figure out, you know, where we go from here then i think we have to focus on some of these educational issues and then providing better jobs more economic opportunity, and there are no silver bullets here. But in a sense there sis still ver buckshot. There are a lot ofthat individually will help to create more opportunity and lets equity. There was report that black middle class dont get into the same neighborhoods as white middle class and it affects the environment and the education and all. And today i mentioned a Bipartisan Group of congress that just introduced a criminal justice overhaul. And earlier this week, i had a conservative named Grover Norquist here on my show to talk about similar reforms. Listen locking people up and throwing away the key does not necessarily get you less crime and safer communities. You can keep safety, you can punish crime without some of these mandatory minimums, very long sentences that a number of laws have mandated. Yeah, mass inincarceration is one this is gaining momentum. How can major changes to our criminal Justice System improve the bigger problem that you wrote about today . Welling g, i think indeed we will see progress for simple reason that mass incarceration is expensive. The argument that has resonated, for example one of the leaders in moving away from mass incarceration is texas. And thats not because of a social justice argument or because of an equity argument its because its expensive and texas has been spending a lot of people locking up a lot of people and they can let some out of prison and crime rates wont go you. So i think that we will see some progress on criminal Justice Reform as it relates to mass incarceration. I think the heavier lifting will be issues of Educational Equity job equity. And i think more broadly were certainly seeing less of the hard flat out Old Fashioned kkk racists. And everybody recognizes that. But i think its much harder conversation to talk about unconscious racism. You know not the principal who doesnt want blagojevich kidsck kids this his school, but rather the principal who believes in equal rights and yet unconsciously when he see as black boy misbehaving, hes more likely to expel that kid than a similar white kid. These are much harder issues to get our heads around. I would love to see some kind of a truth and reckononciliation commission in this country partly to raise these issues to help put them on the agenda to start some of these really Difficult Conversations in white america. Nicholas kristof, thank you so much for your time tonight. My pleasure. 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The faenl hasmily has criticized the pace of the investigation, the prosecutor also revealing a video of the shooting captured by a Security Camera is of much Higher Quality than previously thought. Those images showed tamir rice playing with the pellet gun last november before officers shot him less tan two seconds after arriving on the scene. Police say officers didnt know the weapon was a pellet gun and that they warned him before shooting. A sheriffs investigation found no evidence of a warning. Tamir rices father is speaking out with msnbcs tremaine lee. What kind of memories do you hold on to about tamir . Ranking on each other, laughing about that playing video games. Where do you feel him most . In my heart. In your heart. Is that tough to it feel him in there and not here . Real tough. Joining me now is veteran prosecutor paul henderson. Thank you for being here. Plerasure to be here. Paul, Prosecutor Says the investigation could be finished in a matter of months. What is your take on that . Well, obviously what hes talking about is his decision to use the grand jury. And weve talked about this before the prosecutor at anytime can charge on his own initiative and produce by way of preliminary hearing for charges like this. And so saying that it will be extended by a matter of months means that hes going to present the evidence to a grand jury to seek an indictment and to seek criminal charges rather than just filing the charges himself and presenting them in front of a judge. And weve heard commentary about what they think might happen or could happen on the evidence. But i think it will be evidence watching how this evidence unfolds specifically with potential charps againstpoe potential charges against the feed Field Training officer. There could be neglectigent charges coming up so close to the suspect that they thought had a gun. So that will be part of the analysis. But this seems to be taking so long. You had one judge the familys attorney went to to get an advisory and in a week he came back and made some very clear remarks here. Tamir rices mother spoke about the pace of the investigation six months after shooting. Watch this. Less than a second my son is gone and i want to know how long i got to wait for justice. Its now been acceptsechven months since tamir rice was shot. Is there pressure within the community to get this done sooner . There is absolutely that pressure from the community. And again, this is a terrible tragedy and we see again another africanamerican that has been killed after an encounter with Law Enforcement and so the analysis now has shifted on to the prosecution yet again to make a decision as to how they are going to proceed and thats with the criminal analysis. Because they always have the option of charging independently aside from the grand jury, but we still have the civil charges to contemplate, as well, and thats a whole separate analysis and separate track. Well, what is your take on this new socalled enhanced video . Well, the evennhanced video will be used when they analyze what a reasonable officer would have done under those facts and circumstances. And so what is going to come into play is the information about whether or not they had the information from the caller themselves that made the call initially that said there was a suspect that could have been a kid with a fake gun. Did they know that. Did they analyze that. How and when did he make the decision to shoot in under two seconds. Was that reasonable. Was there a zone of danger. These are the questions that will be asked and now as the prosecutor has indicated will be presented to a grand jury for them to determine whether or not a reasonable officer, not just this officer, a reasonable officer under those facts and under those circumstances would have acted the same way and would have truly believed that he was either in danger the officer, or that tamir was a danger to others. And that will be a tough question i think from a defense perspective to try to defend because weve seen the video. If the video is even clearer than the video weve already seen that doesnt help us answer those questions any easier. Paul henderson, thank you for your time tonight. Thanks for having me reverend. Coming up, millions of people have something to celebrate after todays Obamacare Decision. Here is just one of them at the court. Ill talk to her next. Thanks for calling angies list. How may i help you . 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Thank you for having me. Thank you, reverend sharpton. Gwenn, let me go to you first. You were at the court when the r50u8 ruling came down. It sure looks like you were excited. I couldnt believe it. I stood in line with a lot of law students and they all said that it wouldnt be, it was going to be a negative decision. And i sat in the Supreme Court and heard it, and it was so positive. So, yes, i was very excited. Now tell us, gwenn, what would have happened to your family if the court struck down the subsidies. So right now were being subsidized with our insurance because we were out of the network and my husband had a preexisting condition. So what subsequently would happen is we would have to come up with that additional amount per month for that subsidy. Keith how important would obamacare subsidies be to your family . Well, its the difference between having insurance and not having insurance. Well, what would have happened if the courts decision went the other way, what would have happened in your situation, keith . In our situation in our house, we do have four of us that are under the obamacare now. And what we would do if it was an adverse decision is that we three of us who are relatively healthy would have dropped our insurance and wed have retained my wife who could not get insurance before because of a preexisting condition. And we would have kept her on the plan. So what would have happened in any way we would have covered her premiums. So what would have happened is the Healthy People in our house would have dropped our insurance and the one that needed it would have kept it. Now gwenn let me ask you something, keetith. What was life before you got the subsidy. What was that like before you got these subsidies . Well, we didnt have insurance. We could not get insurance because of preexisting conditions. And it was an incredible mental strain, very hard thing to take day to day on whether or not you were going to be able to cover medical costs should they occur. And my wife needed simple thyroid medicine. She was a west nile patient. And she needed the medication for that that we were very hard to purchase. Just for one blood test was about 700 and it was prohibitive. And so youre just living under this strain of whether or not youll ever meet your medical costs if they should come up. Gwenn, what do you say to people who continue to call for the repeal of this law . Until theyre directly impacted by this decision they cant understand the important of such a ruling. So its sad to me that people still feel that even after the decision came down that potentially they could go back in and appeal it. Its just sad that they dont understand the 6. 4 Million People that it was impacting. Its just not me and my husband. Its 6. 4 Million People. There had to be a reason for this insurance. 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