Not russia, though russia looms large in the background as it seems to in Everything Else these days. Manaforts being tried in Federal Court in alexandria, virginia. He was, of course, Trumps Campaign chairman, ran the rnc convention. Its the first of two trials for him, and this one hes looking at 18 counts of bank fraud, tax evasion, conspiracy charges in relation to his work for a prorussian party in ukraine before he went to work for the trump campaign. He has pleaded not guilty to all charges. This trial is off to a lightning start. So far a jury has been seated. Opening statements have been delivered, and a witness has testified, all on day one. Manafort was a March To August Chairman back in 2016. He helped trump secure the nomination, make no mistake, and trump said so at the time. I have fantastic people. Paul manafort just came on. Hes great. He didnt need to do this, but he wanted to. Paul manafort has done an amazing job. He is here some place where. Is paul . However, more recently, as manafort was awaiting trial, the president sought to, shall we say, diminish his former campaign chairmans role. I know mr. Manafort. I havent spoken to him in a long time. But i know him. He was with the campaign as you know for a very short period of time. I tell you, i feel a little badly about it. They end with back 12 years to get things he did 12 years ago. You know, Paul Manafort worked for me for a very short period of time. He worked for me, what, 49 days . A very short period of time. Manafort is the highest Ranking Campaign personnel so far. He was part of the trump tower meaning when donald jr. And Jared Kushner had the russians come by. Also tonight multiple sources tell us Robert Mueller has referred another group of investigations to federal prosecutors up here in new york, the Southern District of new york. Those sources say that former
lobbyist tony podesta, former minnesota republican congressman vin weber, and former White House Council greg craig are all under federal investigation. The sources also say the inquiry into tony podesta, whose brother john ran the Clinton Campaign of course stem from muellers investigation into the case of Paul Manafort. As the Special Counsel and his team continue their inquiries, the president is now embracing a new line of defense. As we covered here last night, and as floated out yesterday by rudy giuliani. This morning, trump wrote on twitter, quote, collusion is not a crime, but that doesnt matter because there was no collusion except by Crooked Hillary and the democrats. Let us bring in our leadoff panel for a tuesday night. Josh gerstein was inside the Courtroom Today For todays proceedings. He is senior White House Reporter for politico. Also our very newest msnbc contributor. Brian Williams examines the days top political stories and current politicalcampaign news. Brian Williams examines the days top political stories and current politicalcampaign news. Pretty judicial . Yes, it is more fair to appear in a suit than an orange jumpsuit. There is no reason to humiliate him in that way. There is enough happening in the courtroom as it is. I want to comment on tad devine quickly. I think it was very smart. Part of telling the jury the story is to tell it in a compelling way, and to tell it in a way that you put your witnesses in an order so you can protect your witness who is going to have the most problems. And thats gates. So here they start with tad devine. He is a very elegant, softspoken, nice person who said nice things about mr. Manafort that was elicited. And it allows the prosecution to be appeared to be being fair to mr. Manafort and to start and to overview the story in a way that is isnt bombarding them, but is getting the point
out. I think it was very smart. And its smart to put a couple witnesses in front and behind gates who are unimpeachable to kind of sandwich him in. And that was a very good start to the day, i think. Youre also smart to know that this is, after all, story telling. And youve said the same thing about mueller, that this will be a tapestry, a story he will tell when we look back on whatever book gets published, the mueller case writ large, do you think today this trial is the forward . Is It Chapter One . Well, i think its the i think its chapter one. Mueller has this huge charge to look into, and its this huge elephant. And you have to eat the elephant, right . So what do you do . You take a bite. You to take something small. You to take something easy for your first bite. And a paper case on a tax fraud would be the first bite of a very large elephant. For my fellow animal lovers,
we have thus far deceased an ostrich and an elephant by my count. So sam, lets strike a note for press freedom. Sure. Here we are in the last night of july. We have had three white house on Camera Briefings in the month of july, a total of 58 available minutes of on camera briefing time. What are we watching happen here . So its beyond its not just that chilling number which is chilling, you know. We had instances in which a reporter was restricted to going to an open air White House Briefing event. We had the president deliberately avoid interacting with the White House Press corps as we makes his way to either his motorcade or to marine one. And weve seen this happen under the new leadership of bill shine, who seems to have a very acrimonious relationship with the media, or i should say doesnt particularly like the idea of the media questioning
his client, the president. And i think whats ended up happening is donald trump has decided its in his Strategic Interests to essentially cut off access, to cut off the hard questions because they might trip him up. And its happening right as the Mueller Investigation is heating up, of course, as this trial has gone, but also as tough stuff like Child Separation Policy has come into the forefront. And unless there is some sort of price to pay, if they continue to think that this is in their longterm political interest, im not sure anything changes. In fact, i think it could even get worse as we go through august. So its chilling. Its been a long time coming, and, you know, the press corps has to figure out how to penetrate this bubble somehow. And im open to new ideas, and i hope they are too. All right. Well stay on it. And big thanks to our starting three tonight. Were hoping josh does not rue the day he signed up to help us cover this trial where days are long in alexandria. So to Josh Gerstein, to cynthia
askney, sam stein, thank you so much to all three of you. Thank you. Good night. Coming up, from our report in the trump rally in tampa tonight, this is critical. From a Special Correspondent who went there for us to witness his first trump rally. And later, more fallout from the trump Family Separation policy. New reporting on the trauma separated families are facing, after they are reunited. Were just getting under way on a tuesday night. Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens brown paper packages tied up with strings these are a few of My Favorite Things
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jolly, former republican congressman from florida, represented the tampa metropolitan region. He attended tonights rally in tampa, and now we can say among other things he has been to a trump rally. Also with us, lisa lehrer, National Politics reporter for the national press. Congressman, i am very interested to hear your takeaway from your first rally, and chiefly, what television doesnt convey about a trump rally. So i think some of the story lines are what we are used to. Perhaps the National Story tomorrow is really the chanting and attacks on the free press, and frankly, your colleague jim acosta other at cnn. A viral video that is now going around. The real verbal assaults, if you will, to the press. That was absolutely on display. We also saw the energy in the crowd when donald trump would address immigration matters, and frankly, antiimmigration rhetoric, if you will. Also mentions of hillary clinton
excited the crowd. All those bread and butter issues. Brian, what was most remarkable to me, though, and probably the thing that i will never forget, and i am wrestling with tonight is how homogeneous the crowd was. And we can decide whether or not we want to assign culpability to the president for cultivating a constituency that tonight was 99 caucasian, working class, or is that a broader National Conversation we need to have. But ill be honest with you. And i gut check myself. I asked friends and i asked other folks in the media, look around. How many african americans, how many black americans do we see tonight . And you could count them on one finger. And some of them were specifically positioned for camera shots. This was a White Working Class audience. To Donald Trumps credit, they felt he was speaking for them, not just to him, but he was speaking to their anger. Thats the one thing i wrestle with. Look, the Tampa Bay Community is a very diverse community. I represented a very diverse community. I walked into a rally tonight that was probably the most homogeneous environment ive been in decades. Im curious. How many people recognized you . Obviously youre from there. Youre republican, but youve been highly critical of this president. So i certainly received some criticisms from those who said i needed to be softer on the president. I could also have a conversation tonight, though, about how different Media Platforms divide the information that we receive, because longtime republican supporters who have not heard some of my criticisms because of where they receive their news today, they were not aware of my criticisms of the president. And so they treated me as a friend. But certainly there were those who wanted to know why i was there, questioned my intentions. Look, i was there out of respect for those who support donald trump. I dont support him. I remain a republican, and i was there to learn from those in attendance. I leave tonight in a strong disagreement as i arrived, but it was important that i attended. Well, thank you for that assessment. Lisa, in many ways it was a
standard trump rally. Just when you thought he was on the edge of being rooseveltian, he talked about actually taking office and realizing he was president. I made some notes here. He talked about washington, and he said i know the great people. I know the scum. So i figured okay, so not so rooseveltian there. Did you hear anything new tonight that he may take out on the road . I mean, it mostly did as you say seemed like the standard trump rally. It continues to be striking to me how much the president wants to run on immigration in these mid terms. That really is the central piece of his message, and its one that me believes, rightly so, resonates with his base. But i suspect what he may not be taking into account is it also resonates very strongly with democrats. So while drivie ining up his ba could help in the senate map which is sort of tilted toward republicans to begin with, in the house it gets a little more complicated because a lot of the battleground is in the suburban
districts. And by continuing to talk about these divisive issues like immigration, like the potential for a government shutdown, along with the, you know, never ending series of news about the investigation, you know, about controversial remarks, every one of those headlines is an additional shot of adrenaline into an already energized democratic grassroots. So what weve seen is protesters have become volunteers, are likely to become voters. And that level of enthusiasm is something that scares a lot of republicans, particularly when they look at the map in the house. Lisa, how concern ready you . Is the Associated Press to your knowledge about this other dynamic that david talked about . One of the viral videos of the abuse jim acosta of cnn took from the crowd we had to blur what people are wearing. We cant play what theyre yelling at him. Eric trump retweeted it. The president retweeted eric trumps tweet of the video. They were called fake news repeatedly tonight. Whats the level of concern . Well i think everybody is concerned. I thought the Times Publisher ag sulzberger made a really god point over the week. As you know, there was this back and forth after an offtherecord meeting with the president became the president made it public. He pointed out that the threats matter of course in the u. S. , but more importantly, trump is giving cover to dictators across the globe who want to suppress freedoms in places like syria, in places, you know, like the philippines, places where its really hard and very, very, very dangerous. And really, youre risking your life to deliver impartial information. That to me seems to be the biggest danger to the press globally. And that certainly a trend that is not being helped by the president s rhetoric. Congressman, you get the last word. Steve schmidt left the party. Are you still a republican . For now, but im always one day away, brian. What we saw tonight was a big tent republican party. Unlike the big tent conversations we had in the past ten yearsing whether or not there was room for moderates, tonight we saw a big tent that invited in extremists, the wikileaks crowd, the seth rich crowd. This is a different republican party. And, you know, there will likely be a day some time in the near future perhaps on your show where i join Steve Schmidt in making a statement very much like he did. Well, as for tonight, you are our Special Correspondent of the trump rally. Thank you, brian. And our correspondent lisa lere. We thank you so much david jolly and lisa lerer of the Associated Press. Coming up, the white house resume theyre is now put to rest, done and dusted, at least for tonight. Thats next when we continue. Know what . No, what . I just switched to geico
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kelly was struggling to bring order to the west wing, referred to trump as an idiot multiple times. Kelly was referred to openly by multiple members of the press dead man walking. It happened to be the same day a year ago president fired his first Chief Of Staff, reince priebus, via twitter from air force one, famously cutting priebus loose on a rainy tarmac. The white house as openly weighed replacing kelly in recent months, and as with all Personnel Matters in the trump white house, circumstances could change and kelly may not end up staying in his job through the 2020 election. Considering he serves at the pleasure of a president who often acts on impulse and whim. With us to talk about it, coauthor of that piece, robert costa for the national post. Robert, anyone we have of your ilk this late in the broadcast indicates we have a lot of news on a night like tonight. Your story among the pieces of
news. We have been hearing, i have been hearing the president has been polling friends and associates really recently about replacing kelly, including floating names. He has been. He has established a rapport with his generational peer in general kelly. They bond as people who have shared grievances about members of the media, about different political rivals or enemies, but the president has not been eager to make an immediate move, but he has talked to associates about mick mulvaney, nick ayer, Chief Of Staff to Vice President pence, and even other options like secretary mnuchin, close to the soninlaw Jared Kushner and senior adviser, has been mentioned by some trump allies. Could be akin to president reagan in the late 1980s bringing in don regan. But for now the president is sticking with john kelly. We know that did not go well with don regan, especially if you ask nancy reagan back at the
time. You have written a story tonight about the Koch Brothers. It was really extraordinary to read criticism of the Koch Brothers by the president this morning. The headline is trump feud with koch Network Exposes rift between populist forces and establishment gop. Youre a broadcaster yourself. Give us the viewers guide to this fight. The Koch Brothers have long been a power in republican politics. They gathered in colorado over the weekend. David koch has since retired from that famous Koch Brothers political partnership, business partnership. But charles koch, 82 years old, is very averse to President Trumps trade policies, some of his other policies, economic policies, though he does like the tax cut, as most Business People do. And because of the tariffs, the president has been pushing, he has been telling republican candidates if you stand with President Trump on trade, then you risk not getting the koch network endorsement, which is very powerful at times, providing grassroots support, advertising support. This has vexed many
congressional republicans who feel that though the president is not a traditional conservative, they would like traditional conservative support in such a Volatile Midterm year. Robert, whats your thought on how closely this white house this president who is, lets say, a more Avid Television viewer than most will follow the proceedings across the river in alexandria in the Paul Manafort trial . As you were talking with Josh Gerstein from politico, its really hard for the president to follow this closely because Television Cameras are not allowed inside, even reporters are not allowed inside. Its reporters scribbling on notebooks that lack of Media Attention on television could be a challenge for Paul Manafort as he tries to catch the president s attention. In federal prosecutors, Washington Post believes manafort is playing for a part. But if youre playing for anything with President Trump you almost have to appear on television. Thats during his executive time is when he really digests the political news and thinks through his strategy for the day and for the coming months. You remind me, i should tell
our viewers more often, because its Federal Court, there are no cameras and we will be relying on Courtroom Sketches through the duration of this trial. Our great friend from the Washington Post, the very able host of Washington Week on pbs, robert costa, thank you as always for coming on with us. Thank you, brian. Coming up for us, 98 days out from those midterm elections. What facebook found in its midst and took down. Tonight the company says theyre up against, quote, a determined well funded adversary will never give up, when we continue. The fact is, there are over ninetysix hundred roads named park in the u. S. Its americas most popular street name. But Allstate Agents know thats where the similarity stops. If youre on park street in reno, nevada, the high winds of the Washoe Zephyr could damage your siding. And thats very different than living on park ave in sheboygan, wisconsin, where ice dams could cause water damage. But no matter what park you live on, one of 10,000 local Allstate Agents knows yours. Now that you know the truth, are you in good hands . 98 days before the midterms. Most of the content seemed to be focused on leftleaning causes. It included ads opposing President Trump, and ads supporting the abolition of i. C. E. , the Customs Enforcement agency. Officials say they deleted pages referring to an event called no unite the right 2, supposedly being planned for next week in washington. Facebook says the activity is consistent with techniques used by the Internet Research agency. That would be the kremlinlinked group indicted by the Special Counsel earlier this year. On capitol hill, lawmakers were united in their condemnation. Its not certain, but what looks like a Russian Agency trying to manipulate our elections. What were looking at in social media is an effort by the russians and potentially other adversaries to create social chaos, to divide america. I can say with pretty high confidence i think this is russianrelated. These are absolute attacks on our democracy. I will be introducing thursday a sanctions bill against russia. It will be the sanctions bill from hell. Lets talk about this from security and business perspectives. With us tonight to do that, robert anderson, former fbi Assistant Director of counterintelligence. Also happens to be the former executive Assistant Director of the bureaus Criminal Cyberresponse and Services Branch where he was responsible for all criminal and cyberinvestigations worldwide. And stephanie ruhle, the veteran of the investment and banking world and host of the 9 00 a. M. Eastern time hour here on msnbc, and for good measure, the 11 00 a. M. Eastern hour here on msnbc. Welcome to you both. Robert, twopart question for you. Are you convinced this is the russians . And is this a Teaching Opportunity for those of us who look at this Facebook Page and see that its antii. C. E. And realize that too is russia . Thats the way russia tries to foment division . Yep. Great question, brian. One is i believe its absolutely russia. And i think the bigger part of this, what people need to be looking at, because were talking about the attack on the dnc in 2016, and now the attacks here on facebook, which they deleted today around 32 pages of compromised accounts is russia never left. They didnt leave after attacking us in 2016. They sat right here, and they formulated a plan of how they could attack or try to divide the country in 2018 two years later. And here we are. And when people say we havent followed up on our Intelligence Community assessments, this is what theyre talking about. Stephanie, full disclosure, i have a Family Member who works at facebook. Having said that, Isnt This The World that Mark Zuckerberg wanted . And how on earth to you corral the wild west . Im not going to feel bad for Mark Zuckerberg. This is the world he created, and maybe its a frankenstein. Maybe he created a monster. And yes, it is extremely
difficult to corral it, and facebook is bringing in all sorts of allies and partners and the fbi to address this. But nobodys crying for facebook here. To the point he just made, these cyberattackers never went anywhere. They were there before the 2016 election. They remain there today. And while its our gargantuan problem, facebook has a gargantuan amount of money to address this. And with facebook not being regulated, you can say all day long if people on the hill are united this their condemnation of facebook, but theyre not forcing face bill clinton to do anything or regulating them to do anything. Facebook could shut it down tomorrow until they have this thing solved. What would you shut down, though . There are pages going up tonight that look innocuous and just like robert would see as being russian in their invasion. You dont understand the
monster you created. Were 98 days away from the midterm elections. And to Cheryl Sandbergs point that. Dont even know where this is coming from. Knowing the threat it is to our american democracy, do you really need to look up what your exboyfriend is doing these days and where he is going on Summer Vacation . Maybe not. Not until we address what the exact problem is here. Its not like facebook doesnt have the money to do it. Robert, i need you to chime in here. I tell you, i think its a tough problem. Social media is a huge attack factor for all Nation States now. Youve got to think about if this has gone on in facebook, trust me. I dont care if its russia, china, iran or any other adversary we face. Theyre watching our response to this. Ive said this before on this program many times, brian. Russias like a bully on a playground. The more you let them push you around, the more theyre going to push. There are some people in this world that dont understand please and excuse me. And youre looking at them right now, tonight. If all americans knew what you knew, robert, about russia, would any of us get any sleep
tonight . Well, i dont know if wed get any sleep, but i think wed be more focused on it. The thing that really bothers me and i think it bothers a lot of americans tonight is weve been talking about this in the government and in the United StatesIntelligence Community, and quite frankly, in the social Media Private sector for two years. We should have been ready for this. Nobody is shutting down their Facebook Pages. Youre not seeing advertisers pull out of facebook en masse. The fact that these cyberthreats are this massive, but people still find them disconnected to their everyday life, were not acting like were afraid. You cover business a fair amount. You came from that world. To borrow a phrase from earlier in this countrys financial history, when facebook gets a cough, the tech economy catches a cold. And weve seen the drag on tech stocks, because i watch you on television. What to do about that portion of this . Listen, facebook, google, apples of the world have done so
extraordinarily well, i wouldnt be scared about whats going to happen to peoples stock portfolios. But has the day come for these companies to invest millions, possibly billions of dollars in to becoming more responsible entities . Without a doubt. And if thats going to cost them some money, i think the market can withstand it. Robert, the world of facebook is so vast, im just trying to think of Real World Solutions short of a shutdown. Is there a worm that can detect the incoming creation of a page that could nip it in the bud and kill it during the birthing process . The problem is brian, there is a lot of Different Software that creates out there that we put on cybercompanies or clients of cybercompanies to detect malware. The problem is when that Malware Is Reverse Engineered and changed almost by the minute i know days by bad guys and bad gals around the world, it becomes useless. So i think what youre looking at, i agree with what stephanie
said earlier quite frankly. The day has come where there needs to be a partnership between the government and private Sector Companies to protect the country, and there needs to be a conversation to talk to how we can do this. Stephanie ruhle, youll be talking about this tomorrow morning . Indeedly, tomorrow morning. Thank you for talking about it tonight. Robert anderson, thank you for coming back on our broadcast. We appreciate both of you being here tonight, however late the hour. Coming up for us, the Trump Administration was warned about the risks of pulling migrant families apart. Today some members of the senate wanted to know why they went ahead and did it anyway, when we continue. Metastatic Breast Cancer is relentless, but im relentless too. Mbc doesnt take a day off, and neither will i. And i treat my mbc with new Everyday Verzenio the only one of its kind that can be taken every day. In fact, verzenio is a cdk4 6 inhibitor for postmenopausal women with hr , her2 mbc, approved,
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