Day 967 of the Trump Administration. Just tonight, theres a new problem with the way House Democrats are going after and trying to use what are normally secret grand jury materials from the mueller investigation. The democrats argue they need them for an impeachment inquiry. The Justice Department, though, is pushing back saying the democrats havent made it at all clear that this is an impeachment inquiry. This question is now before a federal judge. In court papers, trumps doj specifically mentions the messaging by the democrats have been all over the place, specifically, they say, quote, the speaker of the house says the investigation is not a true impeachment proceeding. They add the committees own description of its investigation makes clear that it is too far removed from any potential judicial proceeding. The filing even cites news media reports on the democrats conflicting descriptions of what they are doing here. It includes two stories. From Andrew Desiderio who joins us in just a moment. In fact, we at this humble broadcast have noted this same thing earlier this week. And we aired the following as proof that no two democrats are saying the same thing on impeachment. For anyone that was confused, we are in the midst of an investigation. We are Holding Hearings for the purpose of investigating the possibility of voting for articles of impeachment against the president. I think chairman nadler described the proceedings well. What were doing tomorrow is adopting procedures enabling us to do it more effectively. Its a bit technical inside baseball maybe. Essentially the impeachment inquiry has already begun. People can call this whatever they want to call it. I dont want to get caught in semantics. Do you support moving forward with articles of impeachment against the president . I mean we should move forward on things leading up to that. The only vote that is ultimately going to matter is whether we vote to impeach him. Todays move by the Justice Department comes one day after the House Judiciary Committee voted to ramp up, as you heard chairman nadler allude to, its investigation of donald trump involving more hearings, more aggressive tactics when it comes to handling witnesses. Tonight, jerry nadler spoke out about the latest effort to thwart the investigation. Weve been very clear for the last several months in court filings, in public statements, and in proceedings in the committee that we are, in fact, conducting an investigation, preparing to decide whether to recommend articles of impeachment in the house. This is another instance of the Trump Administration trying to cover up and hide from congress and from the American People, in this case from congress because the American People wouldnt see the grand jury information, all kinds of information. Meanwhile, the i word, impeachment, appears to be on the president s mind of late. Just this morning he asked, quote, how do you impeach a president who has helped create perhaps the greatest economy in the history of our country, done more than any other president in the first two and a half years despite phony and fraudulent witch hunt illegally led against him . You dont impeach president s for doing a good, great job. It came up last night when he spoke to a gathering of House Democrats in baltimore. I told nancy pelosi, you have to do something other than try to impeach somebody that didnt do anything wrong. You have to. I said, its hard to impeach somebody who didnt do anything wrong. The Mueller Report is out. Theres no collusion after two and a half years. The president also got a big assist today from his loyal House Minority leader Kevin Mccarthy who criticized the democrats for their handling of the investigation. The leadership doesnt even know what the committee is doing, let alone the conference itself. They cant determine whether theyre working on impeachment or not. The democrats are making it an issue and its a wrong issue for them to even talk about. Then theres this. As all this unfolds, the Washington Post is reporting that House Judiciary Committee is negotiating to bring exattorney general Jeff Sessions to the hill to testify before them. The Mueller Report detailed how trump had pummeled sessions and tried to pressure him to reverse his recusal from the russia matter. According to the post, sessions lawyer says the only way his client will testify is only under subpoena. Next month they will try to force don mcgahn to come before them in a hearing and former Trump Campaign manager Corey Lewandowski is scheduled to give public testimony before that same committee on september 17th to answer questions about possible obstruction of justice. All this leading us to our leadoff discussion on a friday night. For that we welcome annie karni, White House Reporter with the New York Times. Jonathan allen, nbc National Political reporter, and Andrew Desiderio, congressional reporter for politico, returning veterans. Andrew, because your name was invoked, ill begin with you. What does this dustup with justice mean for those House Democrats . Right. This is exactly what House Democrats have told me all week that they feared, the idea that essentially the inconsistent impeachment messaging could undermine their central claim to the grand jury information that was gathered as part of the mueller investigation. What the white house and the Justice Department have been able to do as a result of this filing is to take advantage of the fact that House Democrats havent identified a unified front on this issue, therefore, they do not have a right to this information. Earlier in the week it was more a political misfire. Now it has the potential to be a factual misfire in that it could hurt them in court. Annie, loved your contributions last night during the debate. Really enjoyed it around here. On tonights topic, the president seems to think that impeachment is a clear and present danger. He does. Just to be clear, in his speech in baltimore last night, he touched on impeachment. He touched on about everything he ever talks about. He gave a 68minute rambling speech that was supposed to be counterprogramming to the democratic debate that was going on at the same time. I dont think it stood out in the vast array of topics he likes to touch on. It was almost a laugh line for him. But we saw the tweetsz this morning saying you cant impeach a president whos dining great job. This morning saying you cant impeach a president whos dining great job. One thing that struck me is impeachment didnt coming up once at the debate last night among us the president ial candidates when being out front on impeachment used to be a real way to stand out in that field. There was no discussion of it in the debate. A lot of people trying to tried to target trump instead of targeting each other. That stood out. But, again, this confusion on what the House Democrats are actually doing, are they conducting an impeachment inquiry or conducting a probe to figure out whether they will impeach him, does seem to be standing exactly in their way. What surprises me is, they know the Justice Department is going to take every chance they can to block any handing over any grand jury information, anything. Thats what this administrations position has been on everything. Did anyone there not foresee that they would use this messaging issue to block this . John, what the reporting gets to is that impeachment is a term of art. It is a legal trigger. In other words, yes, we will break the seal on this confidential grand jury material if you are speaking with the authority of the house of representatives and youre going to impeach this guy. John, what has been behind the muddled messaging on this topic . Jerry nadler again tonight as he did in midsummer, appeared on cnn then came to this building to appear on this broadcast on this network tonight to say, in effect, oh, were so impeachy, you wouldnt believe it. Yeah. Impeachy as though it were a flavor that you could draw if jerry nadler were doing that, it would be the impeachiest. Whats behind it is Nancy Pelosis desire to keep control of the house of representatives in the next congress. Theres an electoral push there and desire. She wants to make sure that shes not losing house members and doesnt want to go too fast or force top votes opposite her on her members. For many of them it would be difficult to have a vote on impeachment. It would pit the liberal base in their districts against more moderate swing voters that they need to win. And so i think thats what weve been seeing for months and months. As a practical matter, this question of impeachment and the courts and whether or not democrats are moving forward, the courts have ruled on this in the past in terms of grand jury testimony. Going back to the nixon period and watergate, the houses power to impeach and investigating toward impeachment is something that is absolutely recognized by the courts as a reason to go and unseal that grand jury testimony for the congress to go look at it. And so if that was to be overturned, that would be a reversal of what the president has been before. I talked to a number of lawyers about this, folks who have gone back in the Justice Department as far as the johnson administration, so predating that nixon era. That doesnt in between court wouldnt change its mind based on what its seeing today, but its no wonder that the Justice Department under trump is making this argument. Who knows how far it goes along in the court. Maybe some of the justices the president has appointed to the Supreme Court will end up having a different view than the court has had in the past. But that impeachment power and the ability to investigate is one that is recognized, and the idea you have to impeach the president before you could investigate whether to impeach him or have the tools to investigate is probably at least a legally tenuous one. The democrats have to hope that same holding applies to them . Thats exactly right. And i think what this reflects is the competing political priorities within the House Democratic caucus right now. Speakers nancy pelosi has to balance two sides of her caucus, one, the more progressive flank that wants to have a more aggressive posture toward the president and wants to make it seem like they are on a path to impeachment. The second flank is the more moderate flank of the democratic party, the more vulnerable members in 2020 whom nancy pelosi needs to ensure that they win their reelections because many of their victories in 2018 were key to democrats winning back control of the house. So this is super important to her and those moderate members do not want to embrace impeachment for many reasons. Number one being its probably not popular in their districts, and b, they have republicanleaning districts. John, youre just back from houston. You were there to cover last nights debate. Consensus was the biggest moment kind of backfired a bit on a former secretary castro who went after joe biden. It appeared to all of us on memory, it appeared it was something he had in his back pocket and ready to go. Before we talk about it, heres both men reacting to it today. Your campaign has called what secretary castro called said to you is a low blow, a cheap shot. He said it wasnt personal. How do you view what he said to you in your exchange . I dont view it as anything. He just got his facts wrong. Were up there to debate. And thats what i was doing. I pointed out that Vice President joe bidens plan would leave out 10 million people. I think thats significant. So i would point that out again. John allen, question to you, was real damage done last night and or is this just something for us, for the chattering classes to chatter about . It will be interesting to see. Most voters arent into the weeds of the policy and certainly dont care a whole lot about the personality pieces of this. But there are important dynamics going on here about the differences between these Health Care Plans, and i think there are some things the voters care about in terms of, you know, which candidates are attacking, which ones might be trying to get in cheap shots, and also whether the Vice President is having difficulties that some of his rivals are suggesting. You know, i watched it happen live. I went back over the transcript. It looked like they were talking past each other a bit. The point castro makes about the Vice PresidentS Health Care plan would require some people to buy in and, therefore, there would be fewer people insured under his plan is a distinction. Bidens point that some of the other Health Care Plans would be extremely costly because they would cover everybody is also a salient point. I think we ought to wait and see what voters reactions are to this before we judge whos going to be hurt by it and who might be helped. I would say this. If youre Julian Castro and youre polling at 2 or 3 , somewhere along those lines, the likelihood this is going to be devastating to you beyond, you know, stocking away a little bit of what you have seems pretty small compared to the possibility that you might bring in some attention, bring in some money and attract a few people to your campaign. Annie karni, president s speech in baltimore last night, at the end of this broadcast, we have a compilation of the greatest hits contained therein. I said he spoke to House Democrats. That would be interesting. In reality, he spoke to house republicans. We heard the usual attacks on the usual suspects among the democrats. Annie, when you talk to people in this west wing, anyone connected to the campaign, when theyre being honest, hes got to have an opponent at some point. Is there one they fear more . I mean, it hasnt changed along with his status. Biden is still among the people i talked to that are connected to the Campaign Seen as the most difficult challenge for them to take on. It would be the candidate who is the hardest to make the socialist argument against, and they think that is a good and winning message for them. Its a candidate who could eat at trumps numbers with White Working Class voters in the midwest and the rust belt and states he has to win and states he won in 2016. That being said, they still feel confident about him and think hes a good candidate. If theyre being honest, looking at the field, they think Elizabeth Warren is the strongest natural talent on that stage. But they think that biden, because he can appeal to some of trumps voters, would be the toughest matchup head to head. Thank you to the three of you for helping along our conversation at the end of another long week. Annie karni, john allen, Andrew Desiderio, we greatly appreciate it. Coming up for us, as we continue on this friday night, the mystery surrounding the case of Andrew Mccabe, former number two at the fbi. Will he or wont he be indicted . Later, the president searched for a Fourth National security adviser as the job is vacant again. Where does that leave us in terms of north korea, china, russia, iran . The taliban for starters, as the the 11th hour is just Getting Started on this friday night. Customizes home insurance, so theyll only pay for what they need. Your turn to keep watch, limu. Wake me up if you see anything. [ snoring ] [ loud squawking and siren blaring ] only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. What might seem like a small cough can be a big bad problem for your grandchildren. Babies too young to be vaccinated against whooping cough are the most at risk for severe illness. Help prevent this talk to your doctor or pharmacist today about getting vaccinated against whooping cough. 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We learned yesterday it seemed the government would pursue criminal charges, mccabe is accused of lying to internal investigators. Its the kind of thing that would typically be handled administratively. But in this case, a grand jury was reconvened, leading most to believe an indictment was coming. But that didnt happen. In a letter to the doj, mccabes own attorneys wrote we heard rumors from reporters that the grand jury considering charges against mr. Mccabe had declined to vote an indictment. We believe that if the grand jury has in fact voted a here they use a legal term well explain in a minute, not a true bill, the justice manual compels you not to resubmit the case to the same or a different grand jury. As the wall street journal headline puts it tonight, its a sign that the case may be in jeopardy. Former u. S. Attorney harry litman, a frequent guest of ours offers this context. Quote, a grand jurys refusal to return an indictment is something that happens once every five years in a given office. If it occurred here, given the magnitude, visibility of the mccabe case, it is a stunning and humiliating rebuke for overreaching and playing politics. Well, joining us tonight, katie benner, justice reporter for the New York Times and Cynthia Alksne, a former prosecutor herself. Cynthia, please start us off with a definition of not a true bill. Not a true bill would be if you went into the grand jury room and you asked the members of the grand jury for an indictment, and they said, no, were not going to do it. It just doesnt happen that you get a not a true bill. I probably have indicted a thousand cases, maybe 2,000, i dont know. Its something that you do so routinely. And ive never had that happen to me. Heres why. Because the grand jury room, let me just bring it to life for you for a minute. Its like a sixth grade classroom. You have the members of the grand jury in there, 23. What you have long investigation like this one thats 18 months long, youre in and out in front of this grand jury. You basically get to know them. They know your witnesses. You know what theyre thinking. They ask questions. You understand whats happening. And at the end of the grand jury, what you do is you say to them, im going to quickly summarize the evidence for you. And then im going to explain the law to you, and you do that, and then you say does anybody have any questions. If the question is what happens if we dont believe witnesses a, b, and c, and if we dont think you met the standard, then you know you should not submit the indictment. You dont get a no true bill if youre Pay Attention and doing your job because you understand whats happening in the grand jury room with the most simple of people skills. So i would find it shocking if that he got no true bill. It would be horrifyingly embarrassing for the prosecutors. Katie, given that terrific and vivid example of what its like inside the grand jury room, remind all the good folks watching tonight what this case is about and why mccabe might have gone public in such a public way. Of course. So you have to go back in time to the russia investigation. Andrew mccabe was the number two fbi official. He was overseeing that investigation. Certainly thats something that made President Trump extremely unhappy. During the course of the investigation and the Hillary Clinton investigation as well, which mccabe was deeply involved in, Andrew Mccabe authorized people to speak to the press in interviews with the fbi when that was investigated, he was found to have lacked candor about that. He didnt say, yes, i did that. He wasnt forthcoming. Keep in mind, as the number two fbi official, he is more than able to authorize people to speak to the press. But that lack of candor was something that he was criticized for by the inspector general. In an unusual twist, he was then that was kicked over and turned into a criminal prosecution. As you mentioned at the top of the show, that very rarely happens. Usually its dealt with administratively. People have shown examples where an fbi or doj employee has been found to have committed sexual assault, Sexual Harassment and lied about it, and they were not criminally prosecuted. This is something Andrew Mccabe doing something hes allowed to do, having lack of candor about it and being prosecuted for it, its highly unusual. Katie, you have applied your byline to another news piece tonight in the New York Times. Theres the headline, Justice Department to honor team that worked on kavanaugh confirmation process. Heres the quote. The Justice Department will present one of its most prestigious awards to one of the lawyers on the Supreme Court nomination process of judge kavanaugh. Next month, attorney general william barr will present the attorney generals award for distinguished service to those who worked, quote, to support the nomination of the judge according to an email reviewed by the New York Times. Katie, who normally gets these awards at doj . Normally a prosecutor would get these awards, an fbi agent, someone whos helped with a case that has been a landmark case for the Justice Department. And these awards are extremely revered. Whats interesting here and a way to tie whats happening with this awards ceremony next month and with the Andrew Mccabe case is people have been worrying that the Justice Department has become extremely politicized, that the Justice Department is working in order to please President Trump. Now, whether or not thats a true, neither of these things do a very good job of dissuading people from that notion. Cynthia, as a doj veteran, is this just another norm to fall . You know what . It just makes you sick to your stomach. I dont know what to say. I love the Justice Department and its just not the Justice Department that i love anymore. And katie is so much nicer than i am. People are worried about it becoming politicized. It is completely politicized. This Andrew Mccabe prosecution is completely politicized. Tonights response on the grand jury evidence that its completely politicized. Barr going to trumps spending 30,000 is completely politicized. Theres nothing normal about this Justice Department, and i dont know if we can get it back. I get so depressed when i think about what happened to the Justice Department and ponder how i used to love to just look at that statute of Robert Kennedy and be so proud to be there. And now its a disgrace. Both katie and cynthia have agreed to stay with us over this break. Coming up when our conversation continues, a lawsuit against the president resurrected, given new life today. Its about something cynthia just referenced. More on that when we come back. 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We got to go. Vacuum in the back, hallelujah get 0 financing for 60 months plus 2,250 total bonus cash on the 2019 chrysler pacifica. Are you benefiting financially from the president . Its ridiculous. I mean, first of all, hes not involved at all. Someone bought a cheeseburger at the trump hotel. Its asinine. Youve seen where the emoluments suits have gone. Theyre just trying, the amount of incoming hes taken. But really the family and the business, anything in a desperate attempt to stop him. President s favorite morning program, those comments from the president s eldest son came at the same time a federal Appeals Court revived a lawsuit involving the president and his aforementioned properties. The suit filed by the group called c. R. E. W. , the citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington, claims that trump is illegally profiting from foreign officials who do business at his d. C. Hotel. Second circuit of the federal Government Court today said the complaint is valid and rejected a Previous Court ruling to dismiss the case. Secretary of state mike pompeo was at trumps d. C. Hotel today. Couldnt resist taking a shot at the media. I look around. This is such a beautiful hotel. The guy who owns it is going to be successful somewhere along the way. That was for the Washington Post in case theyre in the back. Okay. All of this also comes as we learn more details about those military stopovers at trumps hotel in scotland. Politico reporting today the u. S. Air force has lodged crews at president Donald Trumps scotland resort up to 40 times since 2015, a figure that is far higher than previously known. All of this is also the subject of an ongoing congressional investigation. Katie benner, Cynthia Alksne remain with us. Before we resume our conversation, lets listen to the executive director of c. R. E. W. On this topic of emoluments. The emoluments clause in the constitution were not household names. This was not something most people knew about because president s just followed them. President s didnt try to keep global businesses going while they were serving. They didnt take money from the federal government and the states and foreign governments while in office. They just followed the law. Okay, cynthia. We have all learned a lesson in this. Emoluments are not an ingredient in hand cream. They are, in fact, aspects of very basic constitutional law. The question to you becomes, why are these cases proving so hard to prove . They arent being hard to prove. We arent even getting to that point. The cases are being hung up on the question of standing, on who gets to do the challenge. So the Second Circuit case was dismissed and now one of two things will happen. It will go back to begin the discovery process, which will be fascinating. I would do anything to get to help in that where theyll find out whos spending what money in Different Hotels and restaurants. That discovery process would be fascinating. Or the white house could stall and take it up to the full Second Circuit, which seems, you know, on brand for them as my children would say. Thats on brand, they stall everything. Those are the two options for the Second Circuit case. Theres two more cases out there also on this standing issue about who gets to sue. They have conflicting results and so whats likely to happen at some point is this the Supreme Court will decide who really gets to sue when the president is taking all this money from foreign people through his businesses. Katie, as you pointed out time and time again, completed kpleeltd unchartered temporary as mr. Bookbinder just said. The department you cover, the attorney general has already booked the trump hotel for the annual Holiday Party for doj. Youve compared this to kind of the legal version of russia, if youre listening, because this is happening in plain sight, correct . Yes, absolutely. So the process that cynthia just described is the process that we believe in. Its our court process. Hopefully with this amount of deliberation, this much cave careful effort and back and forth will come to a final decision that we can agree upon and we think is fair. The problem here, too, is that President Trump and his family move more quickly than courts do. They move more quickly than Law Enforcement does. And so what were seeing is were seeing them set a norm. Were seeing them set what is acceptable. They are changing what the public will bear and what the public will accept. We see that in pompeos joke. So by the time the courts finally rule, no matter how the ruling comes out, of course it will be impactful and very important, but its hard to deny that we as a public and as a country will not have changed in a way that significantly could impact how much we care about that ruling. Cynthia, what an important point katie just made. The first family moves faster than Law Enforcement. Right. Well, thats the problem. They have figured out that the name of the game is stall. And its working for them. Its working in these cases, its working in not turning over tax returns, its working in improperly claiming executive privilege, its working in not turning over documents from the department of defense about these staying the stays over in scotland. It works for them because our system of justice moves slowly. At some point we will its all going to come, but it may be long after hes president by the time we get all this information. So whats going to have to happen is once we get it and we realize hes broken all the norms, congress is going to have to pass actually do their job and pass laws that frame exactly what the president can and cannot do. Because the emoluments clauses, there are two emoluments clauses in the constitution. Its not that theyre vague, but they dont spell it out that can be quickly enforced by the trumps of the world. Were going to need actual very specific language in statutes that tells us exactly what the president can and cannot do in terms of a business while he or she, i hope soon, is the president of the United States. Of course, when i hear congress, im legally bound to invoke the phrase what could go wrong . Our thanks to these two guests tonight for both the journalism and the law of what were watching before us. To katie benner, to Cynthia Alksne, thank you for joining us on a friday night. 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The third person to hold that job, john bolton, who the president once called mike bolton, as trump prepares to meet World Leaders at the u. N. General assembly next week. The u. S. Is facing several Foreign Policy challenges. For example, taliban leaders were due to arrive as house guests at camp david before the president nixed that idea. Sending conflicting messages on tariffs with china. Now hes open to a trade deal of some sort. Hes also open to a meeting with kim jongun of north korea, even as the Treasury Department imposes new sanctions to punish north korean computer hackers. So to sort it all out, with us tonight, Christopher Dickey a veteran correspondent, journalist, author. He is the parisbased world news editor for the daily beast who happens to be with us here in new york tonight. Just in case people dont recognize you, i have something prepared for people as we normally see you. There is the champselysees. Tonight were getting the new york Christopher Dickey. What a treat to have you here. My pleasure. I have to start on the darkest note. Tell the good people what you said about democracy on the break. I think in the United States, i think in Great Britain and europe, were seeing the death of democracy. Were seeing the rise of what its calling itself populism, claims to speak in the name of the people, but, in fact, is destroying the basic institutions of republican government. When the history books are written, a, that is one of the more chilling things said at this table, b, when the history books are written, how much credit or blame will mr. Putin get . Either hes very lucky or skilled in manipulating the situation or both. I think both. I think hes benefited from characters like Boris Johnson. I dont think Boris Johnson is necessarily working for putin. I think hes definitely befitted from the election of donald trump. Hes benefited from the crisis of migration and other issues that have created a sense of really great misgivings in europe. And hes basically taking revenge from you have to remember about putin that he feels and has always felt that the western Intelligence Services were undermining his authority and interfering with his efforts to rebuild the russian empire. And so this is his revenge. He saw the weakness and the western systems and he went after them. And the first and biggest target was the United States. He used on us techniques that he used in the baltic republics and other places. And they were very successful. The u. K. Right now is a mess. If its not a mess, it will do until the mess gets here. Will we look back on brexit as the first probing of the russians to see if they could not affect a democracy and the Atlantic Alliance . I think they didnt have to do that much work on brexit. They did try to influence the brexit situation, but i dont think that they had really prepared for it that much because nobody really had seen it coming. I mean, when David Cameron called for this referendum, although he said he would do it, its one of those things hes not really going to do it. And then he does it and he was sure everyone would vote lets stay in europe. At least most people would, but no. The result comes out and its based on all kinds of things, the resentment of rural population, fears of migration, this kind of thing. And the russians tried to feed that. But where they went to work was on the United States. That we see very clearly from the Mueller Report. Theres this whole idea now that somehow the Mueller Report was some fabrication that it was irrelevant. Its very clear and detailed and unequivocal. The russians set out to have a profound effect on the elections in 2016. I dont think they thought that trump would win, but they thought they could undermine the authority and the credibility, the legitimacy of Hillary Clinton by the kinds of games that they played. And then when they saw that he could win, they put support into him. Before we cent send you back to the champselysees, at the conclusion of your brief trip home, if i begged you to end on a hopeful note, maybe in a postmerkel germany. Maybe in europe, where would it be . Where do you find hope . I think theres frustration in every one of the countries. I think that emmanuel macron, the president of france where i live, i think hes trying to do the right things. I think hes a democrat, although his authority is very powerful. But i think that he understands the kinds of things were discussing. Merkel also, although shes on her way out, shes a lame duck, shes still a powerful influence for democracy. We saw in spain people have been hanging onto Democratic Institutions in a country that still remembers fascism for what it really was. There are signs of resistance. A lot of people thought that the european parliamentary elections a few months ago would be swept by these farright parties. And that didnt happen. In fact, the parties that are on the rise are the green parties in europe because in europe, unlike in the United States, the environment, climate change, those are huge and vital issues for voters at many levels, particularly for the young people of europe. They just basically dont want to inherit a world where theyll be burned alive. Thank you for getting up insanely earl to talk to us along the champselysees. Christopher dickey with us in new york. Coming up, as the president promises hundreds of miles of new border wall, new warnings about National Security risks, real risks created by using military money to pay for it, when we come back. 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Nobody can pronounce this guys name. Buttigieg. Buttigieg. Buttigieg. Ive had him up to here. And president xi of china. He is tough. Oh, boy, hes a furious kind of a guy. I had a big meeting today. Chuck grassley was there and joni ernst and john thune and mike pounds. Mike pounds. Hillary will make two stops and say i have to rest for a couple of weeks. Let me rest for a couple of weeks. No, she didnt like stairs. Green new deal. Thats a beauty. No more cows, no more planes. I guess no more people, right . Because kevin is just like a cow. Hes just smaller. [ laughter ] i had to pick someone for that one and i just looked at that beautiful political face of yours. And then they talk about plastic straws. I said, what about the plate . What about the wrapper that is made out of a much tougher plastic . People said, whats with the light bulb . The bulb were being forced to use, number one to me most importantly, the lights no good. I always look orange and so do you. A great guy in texas, and hes wearing this big cowboy hat. This beautiful hat, i wish we could wear them. No one would ever look at my hair and criticize me. Id never take it off. You are a terrific group and i know almost all of you. I like most of you. I know all of you. And kevin. Kevin is just like a cow. Hes just smaller. And everybody i want to thank you. This was an incredible evening. Our president of the United States condensed from last night in baltimore to play us off the air for this last broadcast of the week. Hoping your weekend is a good one. Thats our friday night broadcast. Thank you for being here with us. Good night from our msnbc headquarters here in new york. Get on the ground a twoonone assault leaves an inmate bloodied and injured. But getting to the bottom of this fight requires some digging. Saw you swinging at him. You had him cornered. You going to stand there and lie to me some more . Was that him . Its not him. 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