Attack on the election. Congressman schiff told me tonight that its not going to be that he has been advised that its not to brief trey gowdy and devin nunes alone. He said hes been advised by a cabinet member, the head of an intelligence agency, the phrase he used, that its a gang of eight meeting. Its still something that should never be briefed but thats the more appropriate group in congress to brief rather than the two random people in congress. You did have the breaking news were going to be discussing, does it mean in your view then that you had a thing that was a Conspiracy Theory meeting, which is bad but now instead of only people with tinfoil hats there, there will also be other legitimate people to discuss, what you and others have suggested today was still a Conspiracy Theory . Theres a few different ways to look at this, right . I mean, if we think back to what we know happened during the campaign when the fbi had opened the counterintelligence investigation into russias attack and whether or not the Trump Campaign was involved in it, whether there were russian agents who were in contact with members of the Trump Campaign, that was briefed during the campaign to congress. I think it was james comey, if not john brennan, one of the two of them, went and briefed the gang of eight. It ultimately ended up being a sort of source of controversy because harry reed wrote we know youre sitting on information about trump russia contacts no one knew what they were talking about. So another briefing about the gang of eight about a continuing investigation, it wouldnt break precedent in exactly the same way. Whereas telling devin nunes and trey gowdy, whos not a member of the gang of eight, would be a bigger break with Law Enforcement traditions. So it would materially change it. It also might mean theres going to be a fight tomorrow between the Intelligence Community and the white house as to who can be in that meeting. Yeah, and i think you that makes a lot of sense what youre saying, is it an oversight activity or this conspiracyoriented political meeting which as you documented would be something quite different. I wish i could keep you but you get to go we have other guests. Thank you for sticking around. Thank you, ari. We have breaking news on this, the control room is telling me theres an update on confirmation of what rachel and i were discussing. There is legal heat on trump world right now and a stunning set of statements from Donald Trumps latest member of his legal team, an unpaid lawyer, Rudy Giuliani. Now the first statement that giuliani makes here is breaking news as well tonight, makes him look out of the loop and makes donald trump look pretty silly. Tonight giuliani telling a reporting he hasnt talked to his client, donald trump in weeks. So pause on what that means. One during giulianis recent lengthy media tours where hes held forth on the facts of this case and whether donald trump will testify with bob mueller, hes been doing all that without talking to his client at all. Two it means that giuliani may be communicating with bob mueller more than donald trump at times. We know theyve held in person meetings. This means whatever donald trump and Rudy Giuliani are planning they are planning through tv since they both watch coverage about themselves and each other. And finally, this speaks to giulianis competence, he didnt need to reveal this information. He could say his talks with his client are privileged and that means what they discussed, how they discussed it and how often is privileged. That means every answer costs him nothing and spares any embarrassment for him. All that is the context for what else he said, he tells buzz feed other lawyers talk to the white house, and says im not, people from my office are talking to the white house and that when those people talk, asks how that work, he said if you talk talking and correspondence, a couple times a week. Thats where rudy stands. As for a legal strategy its a waiting game with the interview with bob mueller, saying no decision until the details of this, quote, spygate situation are figured out. Thats what rachel and i were discussing, what would be basically a Conspiracy Theory. The ap reporting today that trump basically told an ally this week that he wanted to brand this informant as spy believing the term would resonate more in the media and with the public. That rhetoric tries to take back the power of scandals ending in gate. Many compare trumps russia problem to watergate. And hes looking for ways to allege others of misdeeds. It can be effective rhetorically. Consider in the last month of the 2016 campaign fake news stories online helped trump and many people, including barack obama, were criticizing fake news by name. Trump hijacked that term to attack the real news and a lot of people consider that as his term now. Thats the framework for whats happening on a bigger scale as trump says spygate could be one of the biggest political scandals in history. And he took to the lawn about whats happening. All you have to do is look at the basics and youll see. It looks like a serious event. Well find out. When they look at the documents, i think people are going to see a lot of bad things happen. I hope its not so because if it is, theres never been anything like it in the history of our country. If you look at clapper, he sort of admitted they had spies in the campaign yesterday inadvertently. I hope its not true, but it looks like it is. Everybody wants this solved but a lot of bad things have happened. We now call it spygate youre calling it spygate a lot of bad things have happened. Theyll sit in a room and hopefully work it out among themselves. Thats the big story, whos going to sit in the room. Its a bipartisan member of the gang of eight, telling her it will include the gang of eight. I was informed by the head of our intelligence agencies earlier tonight that the meeting would be a bipartisan briefing at a gang of eight level and that would be it. I expect them to live up to the commitment. That is the right procedure. If there is any information that could compromise a source or methods. Thats been around for decades and i expect them to follow it. We have heard conflicting things from the white house. Thats adam schiff saying that to rachel. Now im holding something from the department of justice, time stamped 10 00 p. M. Tonight. It describes a first meeting with john kelly, devin nunes, and gowdy. And a second meeting with the department of justice and the same individuals and all gang of eight members. The white house putting this out through the doj quite late at night. Lets get to it. Mimi roker, john allen, and kimberly, an msnbc analyst. What do you think of the news and why is it coming out so late at night. Why would it be so different than breaking news that breaks on another day. I think there has been a bit of a scramble to put together exactly how this meeting that the president has demanded and which was apparent lysetlyset u Rod Rosenstein to placate the president who seemed ready to take a more drastic action against this investigation. This is something that is not normal. Normally when there is an Ongoing Investigation by federal authorities, the oversight doesnt come in the middle. It comes once its complete, once theres conclusions, and then if theres questions about the process then the folks go in and take a look at it so the investigation itself is not compromised so there are no problems. So yeah theres no real protocol as to how to do this. So its small wonder that there is some confusion, that theres changes in the plan, different statements coming from differing agencies about how exactly this is going to work. John what is your view according to this brand new itinerary the original partisan meeting is still on the books . Its a good way to put that ari. The white house obviously was scrambling today to try to sort of counter the democratic requests for a meeting of the gang of eight, Chuck Schumer and nancy pelosi sent a letter to that effect and they were beside themselves that this kind of meeting would go on without the bipartisan leadership of the intelligence committees in congress and the leadership of both Political Parties in both houses of congress. What you have now is two separate meetings one where all the good stuff is going to be talked about between the members of congress who are trying to get information that they might then share with the white house from a Justice Department that, you know, is generally left alone by white houses during its investigations, particularly investigations of said white houses. I did a story earlier this week about President Trump now launching an investigation of the investigators. I talked to john dean, who was the white House Counsel during the nixon years and he said this all has echos of watergate. Why do you think theyre doing this . Is it a fig leaf or a sign things matter and they buckle to push back . They do buckle to push back. Its a sign things matter were not going to be in the room to see the difference between the briefing or the discussion between chairman nunes, gowdy and the Justice Department were not but were human beings with logical faculties and either these individuals are doing the same thing twice in a highly inefficient manner for very busy people who the white house chief of staff, intelligence fbi director, or theyre doing Something Different in the first meeting than the second meeting. The only reason to do this is you want separate conversations with separate content. Fair. Pmimi. This sounds to me like a judge meeting with the defendant alone and then coming out and meeting with both parties, thats not supposed to happen. This doesnt feel like congressional oversight. This feels like, as i said, a subject of an investigation going to a judge and saying, i want to see the evidence now before anythings been charged while youre in the middle of an investigation, might jeopardize the investigation, i dont care, and a judge would say absolutely not to that. But here for whatever reasons, the department of justice is giving something. We dont know yet what theyre giving. I do think its important to note that. We dont know theyre turning over documents or showing them documents or whether theyre briefing them on things that they consider not as harmful to you know, to brief them on. But its its such a dangerous precedent. And it has just no parallel in our criminal justice system, which this is a part of. This is a criminal investigation going on and being jeopardized by this. Do you think the members of the gang of eight, which are both parties and supposed to in theory be nonpartisan to these matters. Should they object the first meeting is still there . We got this news while we were live air, but my instinct is it feels very trumpy in that its saying fine, you know what well make so much noise well have a second fake meeting you can come to. It happens to be two hours later, but it could be two days, two months later. Sooner or later the gang of eight is going to have meetings. And it doesnt address what you and rachel were addressing about the original meeting, which is there is not a good reason, a valid, legitimate reason to take the nonpart investigation of the russia probe, dni director, and leave them to a criticaling by partisans who are implicated. And take what they learn undoubtedly and relay it to the lawyers, at least, of one if not all of the subjects of that investigation, which is just so youre putting your finger on it. Youre saying this is more than just protocol. Youre saying that any actionable investigative information that nunes or gowdy are gleaning could be relayed back to the suspects . Yes. Why wouldnt be obstruction. It could be. I bring it back to the parallel of an ordinary criminal case that americans face every day. It is. But ordinary people dont have the power that the president has to say you must have this meeting and turn over this information. A judge would ordinary people. Laugh in their face. John i turn to you. And im not going to make a john legend ordinary people reference. Go ahead. Lets remember devin nunes, recused himself from his own committees organization because of the coordination he had with the white house in the early days. So its not surprising that people would be concerned that his motive might be to collect information that the white house and other people under investigation is seeking but cannot get from the Justice Department. Thats his thing. Right. Thats his thing. Thats what he got busted doing. Yet now he appears to no longer believe he needs to recuse himself. Hes obviously played a part as a as a defender, protector and, you know, conspirator, i dont mean that in a criminal sense, but conspirator with the president on this russia situation pretty much from day one. You know, and as far as these meetings go, can you imagine Robert Mueller meeting with Chuck Schumer, nancy pelosi, sharing information with them about the investigation and saying well have a bipartisan meeting later. Like in the middle of the begbe benghazi probe, no. Kimberly atkins, take a look at him trying to get information out of Robert Mueller. Take a look. Kimberly, you know well how it works, the negative space in that painting is potent because people serve at the pleasure of the president if they dont have his confidence. Thats as second time in as many days that he refused to answer the question about Rod Rosensteins future. So that does not bode well, particularly with this president who has expressed his frustration with him openly. So i think Rod Rosenstein understands hes in a tough position right now. Hes trying not to just save his job but keep the investigation intact and up against the president whos very eager to attack both things. So i dont think it bodes well. I think thats one of the biggest things we have to look at what comes out of this meeting tomorrow. And to the point about devin nunes. Look, theres precedent for a lot of whats happening now. Devin nunes was the author of a memo that was confidential, declassified by the white house, over the objection of the Justice Department, and released and released first and then the white house said, okay, later well also release this democratic memo that refuted the original memo. It seems to be the mo here that republicans are given the first shot at this to help the president s claim that this is a nefarious investigation and possibly even a criminal one, something thats false, theres no evidence indicating that anything thats happened in this investigation has been nefarious in any way, but thats the messaging that the president is seeking to support. And he seems to be interested in getting that however he can. Kimberly you make a naanalog that i think is helpful. The memo was about why carter page was surveilled, which was done prior to donald trump becoming president because of evidence approved by independent judges that he appeared to be a candidate for russian spies trying to flip and use it within an asset, because of that he looked bad and they release this information, he shouldnt have been surveilled. And again, in this case it doesnt mean its bad for the informant. 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Breaking news, the department of justice announcing late tonight, in this hour, there will be two meetings tomorrow, one will include the gang of eight, this is all about Donald Trumps allegations that there was something wrong with an informant being involved in the fbi review of his campaign. I want to bring in ned price, a former cia analyst. Your reaction. Under almost all scenarios this makes no dense. Ill tell you why, devin nunes is a member of the gang of eight as the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee hes entitled to that second briefing. The odd man out is trey gowdy, the chairman of the House Oversight committee, trey gowdy as someone who is not a member of this exclusive club does not have the same clearance that these other eight individuals do. So what would make sense, what would be rational and reasonable would be to have a gang of eight meeting that all the details could be shared and if there needs to be a second meeting, have a second meeting with trey gowdy because he doesnt have the same clearance. The only way this makes sense is if somehow gowdy and devin nunes are entitled to more information than the gang of eight. And that doesnt make sense. That doesnt seem to be the case here. Something smells fishy about this. I hate to get this far in the weeds. It is important, though. You have 12 plus one, the gang of eight, which is devin nunes in both cases. The four people from the white house, doj, fbi involved in the thing, and then you have gowdy. Thats right. So the theory we were discussing before the commercial break here is is the whole thing a sham because the second meeting, the gang of eight meeting, that in a normal world we dont live in one anymore in a normal world would be the high level intel eyes only, its only a cover for the first meeting anyway. Thats what it sounds like to me, ari. The way these things typically work when you have separate bifurcated meetings you typically give just about everything, you dont give the names of sources or tactics to the gang of eight but you give essentially Everything Else to the gang of eight and if there has to be a separate briefing that is called a downgraded briefing it would be held at the top secret level instead of the top secret code word evangelild. Lets grasp what kind of trumpyness this is. You have more experience in this than most of us. Isnt there some actual duty on the intelligence people in the room to limit what they say to someone like gowdy and dont they have to check each other before they go into the gang of eight meeting where they would be asking what did you do in the first meeting and did you betray any of your duties which has been a partisan attempt to undermine a probe. Under normal circumstances yes, that would be the case. The intelligence officers, Law Enforcement officers, they know who it is theyre briefing wi, y know that individuals evangeliclevel of clearance, and they hold each other to that. But this is not just any ordinary briefing, not just any ordinary administration. You get the impression there is high level white house input into this. You remember this briefing was not going to happen, doj, fbi and the director of National Intelligence they were dragging their feet until john kelly called all of them together and lo and behold within hours this meeting was announced. You get the impression this was coming from on high. And when you have principled and dedicated intelligence officials and Law Enforcement officials behind this, if its coming from the president , the chief of staff, its difficult for them, especially in this administration, to say no. Ned price, i appreciate your insights on this breaking news. I want you to stay with us. There are these other allegations that excuse me, were going to keep going. Michael cohen was not only selling access to his client, donald trump but doing so in a way that was illegal. Specifically using the same law they had against Michael Flynn and paul manafort. Cohen received secret payment to fix talks between the ukrainian president and President Trump. The bbc reports the part that creates the jeopardy, cohen not registered as a representative of ukraine as required by law. That meeting took place last june, after the payment. A source also saying they gave him a gift. Ill tell you, msnbc news has not confirmed the bbc story. Cohen denies it and giuliani saying maybe there was a discussion of doing this, adding on on neither end was it con sue mated. Mimi rocah rejoins. What does this mean for Michael Cohen . I think theres three different sort of buckets to this story. One is the one you mentioned already, which is a violation or breaking of the foreign registration act law, which is the same law that flynn has been charged with, as you mentioned. And that would be cohen acted essentially as an agent of the Ukrainian Government without registering as he is required to do so. So you know what i have to do so, youre a lawyer, hes a lawyer, if thats all it is, why didnt he register . Well, exactly. I mean, look, the reason for the law is we want to know when foreign governments are having an influence on u. N. U. S. Policy buying the president s lawyer . Exactly. Clearly they didnt want anyone to know that, cohen didnt. Do you think he knowingly took that suspicious risk for some reason . I cant say that he i mean, it seems clear that he was aware that thats something he to do. It would be pretty hard for him to claim that it isnt. But i think the second, and possibly bigger piece that we just dont know the answer to yet, is was there some kind of bribe going on . In other words they paid cohen to get a meeting with trump. What came out, what we know from the report assuming its true, is ukraine changed its policy, they stopped investigating manafort. That also benefitted trump because it hurts the Mueller Investigation because then they werent cooperating with mueller digging for more information about manafort to cooperate with mueller. Was that something promised by trump . Did trump promise anything in return . Were there strong leads that bob mueller wouldnt get. If there are leads in in the ukraine, it would be hard to get them without the government. Getting leads from a foreign country, even a cooperative one can be cumbersome so thats very important. Ned, how weird does this strike you . If you want to be real politic about it, people would say there are countries that do amoral, unethical favors for other countries. Im less concerned with the money changing hands here. Well all become used to the pay for play schemes from this administration. Im more concerned about the ukrainians dropping their investigation into paul manafort. Weve seen a pattern here, a pattern in which American Foreign policy is accruing personal benefits to donald trump, not our national interest. The example in ukraine where they dropped the manafort investigation. Later in ukraine, we learned from the New York Times earlier this month that the ukrainians signals they would stop cooperating with the Mueller Probe just as the government was decided to provide them with antitank missiles. Right. We learned today Jared Kushner went back top mueller, spent over six hours there and we heard from his side. Heres abbe lowell, his lawyer on that. I have done this for a bunch. I will tell you todays witness is tomorrows indicted person. I dont ask that question. These are the titles that are handy for the media to use. I didnt ask. I will tell you in my experience, the kinds of questions they asked, the statements he made, the information he has, reflects they understand hes a witness to the events. A lawyerly way of saying he hopes his client Jared Kushner is a witness but he has no idea. Right. Hes certainly better at this than giuliani. The answer he gave was a better answer. Hes saying im not throwing a term out there because everyone is saying hes a witness today, subject tomorrow. So you know but then again, i dont know that he can read into, from the questions that his client is just a witness. I think thats you know, hes sort of claiming to look through a crystal ball im not sure you can look through. It is interesting that kushner was called back recently. You would think that if someone was it can go either way. Because you either want to give someone a chance to explain before you decide, yep, theyre really a target or youve ruled out theyre someone likely to be indicted and you are treating them as a witness. So it can go either way, which is why im saying its dangerous for us or him to read into that status. My big take away is abbe better than rudy . I think so. Thank you both. Coming up there is a lot more going on. Donald trumps base loves his talk on immigration. On capitol hill turning that into action is dividing republicans, turning speaker ryans job in jeopardy. And dont worry i have everything handled. I already spoke to our allstate agent, and i know that we have accident forgiveness. Which is so smart on your guys part. Like fact that theyll just. 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Now we have arranged dialing for news with Haley Jackson working her sources late in the night and is able to join me late night. Thank you for continuing a long day and second what can you tell us from your sources . Reporter the meeting has been notable for a number of reasons. The first indication we received from our sources earlier in the day was the gang of eight meeting set for 2 00 eastern tomorrow, was supposed to happen after the memorial day recess, i was on the phone just before our evening broadcast with an official who said yeah we think hes going to happen after memorial day but the nunez gowdy meeting is still ongoing. John kelly is going to be at both of the meetings tomorrow. Just yesterday Sarah Sanders was at the podium and said kelly would not attend. She said, at this point he is not expected to be there. He was charged with putting this meeting together, setting up the logistics and then will step away. However im getting the impression because of the backlash on capitol hill, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle upset the gang of eight was not included, people wanting it to be more partisan. Even the president saying this super cedes democrats. So clearly it build to bring in democrats to the meeting. And you have john kelly attending. Originally it was going to be one of Rod Rosensteins deputies there at the department of justice, now it will be rosenstein himself leading the meeting with the officials. Over the last eight to ten hours it has been a moving target but its clear whats going to happen in a matter of three, four hours tomorrow afternoon. Very significant. A lot of pressure given where plural mueller is going, think about Jared Kushner news leaking, and Michael Cohen in court in new york and cannot be pardoned by the defendant. We had to build a firewall between white house staff that works for the president and the personal legal staff that works for donald trump with regard to the russia probe, kelly said. So it seems he might be the bridge. And what does that say with him attending the meeting. Reporter based on my reporting, fanning the flames about this quote unquote flame. Its Rudy Giuliani on the president s legal team, the outside external legal team. So it is my understanding and my reporting that giuliani feels as though this is a way, by pushing this story line, to help potentially undermine the mueller as a whole, according to folks sort of around the president s orbit there. So you have that piece of the puzzle, then you have inside the white house, this move now were seeing tonight for more involvement in the white house into this discussion of what the intelligence is, what this says. Keeping in mind the president has the ultimate power to declassify anything he wants to declassify. Let me ask you about the politics of that. The law is basic, whether you call it surveillance, interrogation, all of those are used in an open critical probe, they knocked down Michael Cohens door in his law office. We know that. Were not surprised by that in any journalistic or legal way. Is that Rudy Giuliani, the mayor, the former president ial candidate saying he knows better because he knows how these things word but hes making a political bet about how this s word, spy, this Conspiracy Theory will help the president. Reporter its coming from the president. Hes discussing it being quote unquote spygate. When it comes to the politicalization of this, i will tell you a cause for concern more broadly from the folks im talking to and that is the potential politicalization of intelligence. Of this critical piece of our National Security apparatus, the idea you have this asset, informant, thats been publically outed. And as they go and review the documents tomorrow, might there be more leaks, and that is causing real concern, not just the leaks but the idea that you are taking what has been an independent, in large part the independent department of justice and politicizing it by having these meetings where its just republicans in the first meeting, although there will be democrats in the second, ari. That makes me want to ask you something else, which is paul ryan announcing within this hour that he has a prescheduled commitment and cannot go. Reporter he wont be there. How do i ask this question in a respectful and openminded way . Well, what on earth could be more important tomorrow for someone with the constitutional obligations that the speaker of the house has than a meeting with the heads of the fbi, the overseer of the russia probe and the other members of the gang of eights who he outranks in congress to deal with this fire storm . I can tell you what our colleagues on capitol hill is reporting is that the spokesperson, paul ryan, he has a longstanding schedule commitment, im quoting, and will not be there. Theyre also saying they want chairman nunez, and trey gowdy leading in this space for house republicans. So paul ryan handing over some of the leadership reigns on this particular issue, ari, to those two members of congress. I will tell you nancy pelosi will be there. I heard there was profiles in courage. I guess there are profiles in Google Calendar and everyone has to make decisions about their day. Hallie jackson thanks for your reporting. Coming up, immigration could still put paul ryans job in jeopardy. Thats next. Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens brown paper packages tied up with strings these are a few of my favorite things these are a few of my favorite things which is why i use armor tall ultra shine wash wipes. Y. 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Trump did briefly touch on policy, though it was basically foreign aid fan fiction. Were going to work out something where every time somebody comes in from a certain country were going to deduct a large amount of money from what we give them in aid, if we give them aid at all. House republicans divided about giving dreamers a path to citizenship, paul ryan asked to put aside differences. Ryans call to unity fell on deaf ears and moderate republicans want to force a vote as early as june that could protect dreamers. Those moderates would be about four signatures away from reaching a threshold to bring up the vote. Conservative republicans said they dont want any vote even if its bipartisan for dreamers. The infight may have contributed to a loss last week. When the House Freedom caucus defied paul ryan on a farm bill which touches on these issues as well. Paul ryan also in the news tonight as i reported because he said this hour he wont go to the big gang of eight meeting tomorrow. Maybe well get to that as well. But starting on immigration as promised, maria, what does this mean to you. I think not only is paul ryan in over his head. I think he had the idea that he was going to assume the speakership and basically do something with it and he hasnt been able to. This is the legacy he was hoping to cement and hes far from it. I think what we see the Freedom Caucus has them hostage. They should let the gop sign hi contested seats and they may lose the midterms because of them. The Freedom Caucus will not. Yeah. John, listen to another thing that the president said today, where he really likened immigration, which is a problem, documented, undocumented, that many countries have. He likened it to an occupying army. We have these trucks coming in. They used to call them pad dy wagons. I dont know what they call them anymore. They throw them in these rolling jails. And you have people applauding. Its almost like youre in a war and youre getting rid of somebody thats occupying your nation. John, how does that figure into those on the hill . Paddy wagon in the old days was an irish slur. In some ways in the same vein. Irish and italian immigrants suffered the sloor figimilar fir time. What youve got going on and i talked to congressional sources since last week. You have a lame duck speaker whos dealing with essentially a fight for his job beneath him between Kevin Mccarthy and more quietly, steve scalise, the majority whip. Hes lost the farm bill over it. Its something thats typically bipart in nature and has been for many, many years. Republicans decided to go ideological and clamping down on food stamps. Those bipartisan Mcgovern Dole food stamps. Hes trying to resurrect it with an immigration deal. Hes got republicans signing up for discharge petition to try to get something on the floor that will extend daca. He just doesnt have the juice or clout right now to get any of it done. The challenge was in that politico headline you just showed which is that his calls for unity have fallen on deaf ears. The Republican Party doesnt agree on most of this. The vast majority of republican lawmakers have taken up with President Trump. But the majority of the house believes in extending daca. So almost all of the democrats, if not all the democrats, and a portion of the Republican Party. Yeah, speak to the time line and the politics of that. John mentioned the discharge petiti petition, which is a technical way to get something to the floor without a speaker. But you dont usually pull that on a speaker unless youre not worried about them, and the lame duck seems to be why hes facing that threat. Exactly right. Thats one of the reasons why at the same time mccarthy is saying he doesnt want to push for daca. Mccarthy lives in california in the central valley. The its something, most of the republicans in his constituency would want him to present the daca bill. But hes set his heights on something higher, that is the speakership. Hes making the lives of close to 1. 2 Million People political. Thats obscene, unfortunately. But at the same time, ari, wh enyou hear the president talk about these basically try to categorize a whole people as animals well, he sees it was just the gang members. Well, lets think about that, right . When you start actually classifying anybody as less than without people being guilty. When you are increasingly living under a government that likes to racially profile people simply by how they look, that gives agency to anybody to actually start racially profiling folks. In fact, if you do actually provide some sort of protection, when you provide some sort of protection for undocumented immigrants that dont have to have a dotted line between Law Enforcement and i. C. E. , they can come out and basically talk about ms13. They can actually report crime. But this is the complete opposite. What hes trying to do is not only a slippery slope, its dangerous. Because all of a sudden you put literally a target on anybody that looks brown, that does not look, or maybe speaks with an accent that does not like like what your typical americaning loos like. Thats what hes doing. At the end of the day, both he and mccarthy understand the best way to gin up the base, their only shot is doing a defunct Immigration Reform that nobody has any interest in actually passing. Tie it in with the lame duckness and paul ryan going m. I. A. Tomorrow. Hes having trouble with the immigration bill, hes skipping the meeting tomorrow. Hes going out with a real wimper. Oh, man. Stick on some shades and roll back the convertible and drive one out of town to janesville pretty soon. You think this is made out of weakness . This is a headache to him. He wanted to get out of here. 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