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Legal analysis about that will bill even before it passed. Yes. When it finally did get passed and signed into law, joyce has already basically laid the groundwork for how we could understand did. Its interesting, i mean, i dont know if it is a good road test case but thats what they think it is. Well see what joyce says. Thank you. Elizabeth warren went to West Virginia to the a place where most of the voters voted for donald trump. County where 60 of the voters voted for donald trump. She talked directly to trump voters. Some of those trump voters actually said she did a good job. They were impressed with her. Didnt say they were going to switch and slow the for her necessarily but at least one of them was thinking about it. Elizabeth warren said she really enjoyed talking to those trump voters and is willing to do it again and is going to do it again anytime and anyplace except on fox. Later in this hour, we will show you Elizabeth Warrens explanation for her decision in her own words about why she will not participate in any candidate town hall on fox. But first tonight, tonight is the deadline that House Intelligence Committee chairman adam schiff set on his subpoena for attorney general william barr to turn over the full unredacted Mueller Report to the committee and the foreign intelligence and Counter Intelligence information collected during Robert Muellers investigation. This morning, chairman schiff said it was too early to say as of this morning whether there had been progress in his talks with the department of justice about that. Any progress in your talks with the doj . Too early for me to say for sure. But i should know more hopefully later today. Would you consider contempt. Were prepared to doll whatevers necessary to make sure they comply. And tonight it is unclear whether the Justice Department has yet responded to chairman schiffs subpoena. We dont know any more about that. Today the white House Counsel sent a 12page letter to house judiciary Committee Chairman jerry nadler rejecting all of chairman nadlers requests for documents in the committees investigation of possible obstruction of justice by the president of the United States. The white house letter to chairman nadler said that the committees investigation is not to further a legitimate legislative purpose, and is outside the Constitutional Authority of the legislative branch. Chairman nadler told reporters his reaction. I dont know whether theyre trying to taunt us toward impeachment or anything else. All i know is they have made a preposterous claim. Taking that position that a president cannot be indicted is saying only congress can hold a president accountable and now theyre saying that congress cant which means nobody can which means the president is above the law and that is an unamerican frankly unamerican claim. Chairman nadler and other House Democratic leaders are considering whether they should hold Administration Officials in contempt of congress to highlight the Trump Administrations unprecedented obstruction of legitimate congressional investigations. Today, in what might be the First Time Since 1934, had the concept of inherent contempt was being discussed on capitol hill. 1934 was the last time we saw inherent contempt used by congress. In 1934, the United States senate issued subpoenas to a Washington Attorney and that Washington Attorney refused to comply with those subpoenas whereupon the Senate Sergeant at arms went out and arrested that private attorney and kept him in custody for inherent contempt of the United States senate. The Supreme Court upheld the senates constitutional power to take such action in that case. And now, 85 years after that, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee was asked today about inherent contempt. Some of your colleagues want to vote for inherent contempt. To fine people who are defying subpoenas. Is that something youre seriously considering at this point . Yes. What do you think about terms of dollar amount or fines . I dont know. Very large amounts. Would it be for the attorney general . It would be for anybody who was held in inherent contempt. Yesterday, in federal court, a private attorney representing donald trump in a lawsuit trying to block a congressional subpoena of trump financial records from an Accounting Firm used that very same line of argument that the white House Counsel used today in that letter to jerry nadler rejecting the document request. The private attorney representing the president said in court yesterday that the congressional subpoenas seeking trump financial records did not have a legislative purpose, a legitimate legislative purpose. It the judge was very surprised at that argument since historically, congressional subpoenas have been issued for investigative purposes as well as legislative purposes very broadly defined. The judge said to the president s lawyer, so in your view, congresss investigations in whitewater, for example, and watergate were beyond the scope of its Constitutional Authority . To which the president s lawyer actually said, id have to look at what the basis they were providing. The judge was stunned as surely everyone in the courtroom was that the president s lawyer was not sure whether the congressional investigations of president bill clinton and president Richard Nixon both of which eventually led to impeachment proceedings were constitutional. And the judge went back and forth with the lawyer at some length finally getting the lawyer to admit that the trump position is the president simply cannot be investigated by congress. Heres the transcript. The court, so congress in your view cannot determine say, for example, a president had a financial interest in a particular piece of legislation that was being considered or an executive action that he was considering in your view, congress could not investigate whether such a conflict of electrical, whether the president has such a conflict of interest or the conflict of interest might in some way bear on Decision Making by the president . Mrs. Consovoy, it would lack legitimate legislative purpose and that is the test. Legitimate legislative purpose. That is what that he saying is the reason theyre defying all of this, that the congress has no legislative purpose. Passed against him by the House Judiciary Committee as a joking matter. At a ceremonial event today, the attorney general approached House Speaker nancy pelosi, shook her hand, and said loudly enough for people to hear it, madam speaker, did you bring your handcuffs . According to the Washington Post, pelosi smiled and responded that the house sergeant at arms was present should it be necessary to arrest anyone a person said adding that barr chuckled and walked away. Leading off our discussion tonight, our democratic congresswoman Madeleine Dean of pennsylvania, a member of the House Judiciary Committee whose subpoenas are being defied by the white house, lisa graves is with us, a former senate Judiciary Committee staff member and a former Deputy Assistant attorney general under president clinton and ris lew, former white house cabinet secretary under president obama and he has also served as the deputy chief counsel of the House Oversight committee. Congresswoman, has your reaction today to that 12page letter basically saying that there were just no purposes, no legitimate purposes stated by the Judiciary Committee for obtaining any of this documentation . I think its a stunning letter by the white House Counsel. And i think jerry nadler, chairman nadlers response was exactly right. Imagine the litter came to us to the chairman suggesting that we had no business continuing with any more oversight as to the Mueller Investigation as to obstruction of justice in light of what the Mueller Report says. What i am constantly stunned by is members of the Republican Party or this president or the people who work around this president constantly referring to no collusion, no obstruction. Of course, if you read the Mueller Report, you would find something very, very different. Youd find more than 160 contacts between the Trump Campaign and russia for the benefit of the Trump Campaign and they knew it. That russia sweepingly and systematically interfered with our elections and yet we have an administration that seems to care little about that was we go into the future and into 2020. Then we have volume 2 which says that this administration, this president showed evidence of obstruction of justice multiple times as many as at least a dozen times and mueller himself said he is giving it to congress, that it is up to congress to go forward. He wanted to preserve evidence even in the face of the fact that the administration destroyed evidence and there were things that the Mueller Investigation couldnt even get to. But its just a stunning assertion by this counsel but you saw and you just revealed the stunning ridiculous arguments that were made yesterday before a court. So the truth bears very little on this administration and their legal arguments. Chris lu, we feel lucky to get you here tonight because you have experience at both ends of these kinds of subpoenas having worked in the obama administration, receiving these kinds i have subpoenas from congress, having worked in the Oversight Committee in the house sending out subpoenas like this. What is your reaction to these developments where the white house is saying under no circumstances will they will respond do anything . Yeah, you know, i think the white House Counsel would be smart to brush up not only on his law but also his history, as well. This idea, look, certainly congresss investigative powers are not unlimited. But the limits are not to be dictated by the executive branch. And this idea there has to be a legitimate legislative purpose, thats something that this white house has concocted. That being said, any first year law student could come up with a dozen legitimate legislative purposes for every one of these investigations. So its not only that theyre wrong on the law, theyre also wrong on the history. If you go back and look at the investigations they conducted of president bill clinton, i was on the House Oversight committee during that period of time when congressman dan burton, a republican did investigations of things like travel gate, file gate, we ended up doing whitewater before it went to the special counsel. There was an investigations of president clintons lastminute pardons of marc rich which this white House Counsel has said cannot be investigated by congress. So the history of republican investigations is completely at odds with the arguments theyre making here. And its important to understand if you take their arguments to their logical extreme, this is a president above the law. And so yes, it is odd were talking about inherent contempt, something that hasnt been used since the 1930s. That tells you were in a little bit of uncharted territory right now. The alisa graves i learned about inherent contempt today. Ed you could work for several years in the United States senate as i did and never even hear the phrase come up. Thats the kind of rare territory weve stepped into. Well, thats right. I think that its important to understand that those powers go back you know almost two suns basically. Theres a lot of black letter law about congress power. Its just in this statutory era, congress has not used those powers. Its been able to get cooperation from president s and administrations and been able to use referrals to the Justice Department. Here you have a situation where the president and his lawyers and interestingly and disturbingly the white House Counsel and his private counsel are singing the same tune with this argument that the congress does not have the these powers, the powers to investigate the president or to seek these documents. Thats in defiance of black letter law. These are settled rules that have been settled for many, many years. And as you point out inherent power has been rarely used because its been rarely necessary to be used. The fact is the Supreme Court has commented repeatedly on the breadth of congressional Investigatory Power and the pour of congress to seek material and get material including talking about it being penetrating and far reaching, a far reaching power. And so these arguments are really in defiance of the law and in many ways this is like the david frost, nixon interview without it being nixon and david frost in which nixon said infamously if the president does it, it must be legal. Thats where we are. So even though theres no like fire physical fire, its as if the constitution is on fire and the article 1 of the constitution is being blow theed out by these guys. Congresswoman dean, we just heard your chairman of your Committee Jerry Nadler say that it feels like the president is trying to,ings is taunting you into impeachment. Is the president taunting you into impeachment . And what next . I wouldnt call it taunting. I would say he may leave us no other alternative. He certainly has shown evidence of impeachable offenses. Im a lawyer by training. And im a member of this Judiciary Committee. So i care very much about process and making sure we get the truth before the American Public before we do something as grave and as important and possibly very necessary under this administration. So the president may just be leaving us know other alternative. But something i wanted to make sure i make mention of is the fact that as important as all of this is and as extraordinary as it is that we might be talking about inherent contempt and i too had to brush up on what that meant as a member of congress, its extraordinary we are pushed to that point. And also, what i hope that your listeners your viewers want to know is that while were doing this, this is a congress that is both walking, chewing gum and flossing at the same time. Is what i like to say. We have to do it all. It is important, it is constitutionally our duty to do oversight on an administration that is the most corrupt, did i advicive, deceitful, cruel administration that ive ever seen in my lifetime. You have seen us. Were passing legislation. This new majority is passing legislation whether its regarding gun violence which the senate is sitting on its hands, health care, Prescription Drug plising, hr1, Good Governance and anticorruption and working back in our districts and working on issues like in my district we have an issue of clean water. So this is a congress prepared to do it all, walk, chew gum and floss at the same time. But we will not be shirking our duty of oversight on this had corrupt administration. Chris lu, if you were still at your old job on the House Oversight committee, that would su be advising the house to do. Exactly what theyre doing. The house needs to consider every power it has at this point. It is trying to get both an oversight and judiciary trying to get these documents from other sources. Im confident that some of these also prevail. Obviously, the court case that was being argued the other day involved the House Oversight and financial records. We also have for instance in the house ways and means effort to get the president s tax returns. There may be a way to backdoor way to get that through new york. There are private entities that congress will be able to get this information through. But it is important to understand again history in all of this. If you go back to watergate, article 3 of the nixon impeachment was for the president for president nixon willfully disobeying subpoenas of the House Judiciary Committee. So i dont know if this is a president who is consciously trying to bait the house into impeachment. There are certainly grounds for it if we get to that point. Lisa graves your advice as a former Senate Staffer to the house and i understand that the house doesnt like to get advice from the senate but go ahead. I appreciate that. You know, i think that i have tremendous trust in congressman nadler and the other chairmen to pursue this. I know theyve got a great team on board and looking at all options. I think they have to act. They have to act both morally and for the sake of our constitution. They have to defend the rule of law in the face of this incredible defiance. Its their duty and i know theyre up to the task. Congresswoman Madeleine Dean, thank you for joining us once again tonight. And lisa graves, chris lu, thank you both for joining us. When we come back, the Court Challenge to alabamas new abortion ban will begin immediately. Former u. S. Attorney joyce vance will join us with what happens next. Also tonight, at the Trump Research administration ramps up hostilities with iran, President Trump himself is reportedly in conflict with his advisers over what to do next with iran. S adve what to do next with iran. Woman 1 this is my body of proof. Man 1 proof of less joint pain and clearer skin. Man 2 proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis. Woman 2 . With humira. Woman 3 humira targets and blocks a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. Its proven to help relieve pain, stop further irreversible joint damage and clear skin in many adults. Humira is the number one prescribed biologic for psoriatic arthritis. Announcer humira can lower your ability to fight infections. Serious and sometimes fatal infections, including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. 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Supreme court to revisit this important matter and they believe this act may bring about the best opportunity for this to occur. Alabamas abortion ban is not slated to take effect for six months but planned parenthood and the aclu have already said they plan to challenge it. Today, the groups filed a lawsuit to block ohios sixweek abortion ban, that doesnt allow abortions after six weeks from taking effect in july arguing that it directly conflicts with the precedent and the rules set in roe versus wade. Ohio is one of four states just this year to impose some form of a ban abortion after six weeks of pregnancy before most women even know that they are pregnant. Courts have already struck down similar laws passed in iowa, kentucky and north dakota. Today the democratic president ial candidates reacted to the new alabama law. What they did in alabama, what they did in georgia is unconstitutional. Theyre trying to overturn roe versus wade. Thats wrong and we will fight back. Its nothing short of an attack on womens basic human rights and civil rights. Its something that women of america are going to have to fight against with everything theyve got. Womens health care is under attack and we will not stand for it we will not stand for it joining us now is stacey fox, the president and ceo of planned parenthood southeast. Also with us joyce vance form her u. S. Attorney for the Northern District of alabama and professor at is the Alabama School of law, an msnbc legal contributor. Joyce vance, what happens next . Well, next well see this alabama bill begin to face legal challenges. I suspect well also see an outpouring of protests, certainly in alabama where those protests have already been scheduled for this sunday. But i think also across the country. And therein alabama bill which is soda crohnian may spark nationwide focus on whats going on in this area. Lets listen to what Pat Robertson had to say today because stacey fox, this may be the first time you find yourself agreeing with Pat Robertson, at least in part. Lets listen to this. I think alabama has gone too far. Theyve passed a law that would give a 99year prison sentence to people who commit abortion. Theres no exception for rape or incest. Its an extreme law and they want to challenge roe versus wade but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the Supreme Court because i think this one will lose. Stacey fox, how did alabama go farther than Pat Robertsons willing to go . Lawrence, i think yesterday alabama went so far as to ignore the rape survivors that were standing in the gary while the senate was debating this bill. They clearly stated yesterday they dont actually care about the women of bethlehem and this is no more than a political game. We work across georgia, alabama and mississippi. All three states have enacted bans like this and are literally playing games with womens lives in the south. Joyce vance, what do you make of Pat Robertsons legal scholarship here saying he actually thinks this is a bad case for abortion opponents to bring to the Supreme Court, that Pat Robertson thinks this one will lose. Well, if you believe in traditional legal analysis, a precedent like roe versus wade which is almost 50 years old and certainly well established is a precedent that cant can be challenged by any of these cases. So in that sense, Pat Robertson is absolutely correct. The serious prospect we face here, lawrence, is watching this effort not just to the erode, not just to chip away at the protections that roe versus wade established for women but a full frontal assault designed to eradicate it the in legal press didnt not warranted by the alabama bill or any other bill. I want to take a look at Glamour Magazine cover, this is a nonpolitical magazine to say the least. They have put up there the will the 25 men who voted for this alabama bill. These are the 25 who in particular voted against an amendment that would have allowed an exception for victims of rape or incest. And stacey, talk about what the reaction has been in alabama where you are in these last 24 hours. Well, i think bethlehemians are pore o horrified just in the hours after the vote in the senate last night, thousands of alabamians have signed on to veto petition that weve stood up and i think in a state where 51 of the population of alabama are women and where women are dying from cervical cancer, the state said loud and clear they dont care about womens health. They will care about their own political gains. And lawrence, to be honest, you know, who are on my mind today are our patients. Our patients who arent following the news really closely. Theyre seeing the headlines and theyre worried that abortion is already illegal in alabama. And i want them to know that will abortion is safe and legal and available to them and we will fight this every step of the way. Good point. Joyce vance, this bill does not take effect for six months. Can the legal challenge to the bill begin before the bill takes effect . You know, it can and this is typically in alabama how weve dealt with unconstitutional state laws like we dealt with the alabamas immigration bill in 2011. The hope here is that folks like the aclu whoever else chooses to challenge this bill will go into court and have it enjoined so it will never go into effect and impact the lives of alabama women. Stacey fox and jis vance, thank you very much for joining us on this important story tonight. Thanks, lawrence, thanks joyce. When we come back, the Trump Administration is ramping up hostilities with iran. President trump himself is reportedly in arguments with his advisers over this. Former National Security Council Member Richard Clarke will join us. 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He came out with a statement that said he did not see any increased threats from iran in the region, the day after that british commander said there is no increased iranian threat in iraq. The Trump Administration announced an evacuation of the American Embassy in baghdad. The pentagon disputed the british Major Generals comments calling them counter to the identified Credible Threats available to intelligence from u. S. And allies regarding iranianbacked forces in the region. But the New York Times reports that one american official said is the new intelligence of an increased iranian threat was small stuff and did not merit the military planning being driven by National Security adviser john bolton. The times reports privately several european officials described bolton and secretary of state mike pompeo as pushing an uninspectinging mr. Trump through steps that is could push the United States to war before the president realizes it. 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Does this feel familiar to you and whats your reaction to that moment yesterday at the pentagon where a british general be contradicting the Trump Administration . Well, lawrence, it feels very familiar insofar as the United States government is taking an intentional act, series of intentional acts that will likely provoke conflict. Thats what happened with iraq and maybe whats about to happen with iran. We are waging Economic Warfare on iran. We announced last month further economic sanctions on them. Were crippling their economy. They have sent a message, a very clear message to anyone who will listen that they are going to do something. They cant take it anymore. Were waging economic war on them. They have to do something in response. They have said that. So there is intelligence that theyre doing things. Theyre telling us through a variety of channels that they intend on doing things. Including attacking had the saudis and the emirates. Then over the weekend, we saw their houthi allies do precisely that. But lets be clear. We are provoking this iranian action by the economic sanctions. The president according to Washington Post, theyre reporting tonight President Trump grew angry last week and over the weekend about what he sees as warlike planning that is getting ahead of his own thinking on iran. One official told the Washington Post he is not comfortable with all this regime change talk which to his ears echoes the discussion of removing iraqi president Saddam Hussein before the 2003 u. S. Invasion. And john bolton is, of course, one of the people who is known for regime change talk about iran. Well, as much as id like to blame all of this on my friend john bolton, this administration has been consistent since the day it came in wanting to rip up the nuclear agreement, wanting to impose economic sanctions, talking about regime change. Its not just bolton. Its the president is suddenly waking up and realizing what he, the president himself has been saying and doing for the last two years maybe thats a good thing. Maybe eats not too late. Were getting very close to the edge here. Were in a danger zone and we could have an accidental war where u. S. And iranian ships or aircraft in the gulf could end up fighting each other and it could get out of hand. That sounds like the kind of thing that some were referring to in the Washington Post reporting where theyre saying this could move at a pace that donald trump himself doesnt understand. I think thats absolutely right. I dont think hes ever been been briefs on the hyper war that could occur. How fast it could involve the saudis, israelis, emiratis and us and how Major Economic effects could occur. If oil doesnt get out of the gulf, if natural gas doesnt get out of the gulf, the World Economy will be very badly damaged very quickly. And that could happen. So youre suggesting in a conflict with iran it wouldnt affect just oil supply from iran. No, it would stop the flow of natural gas out of qatar on which tokyo depends. Theres a oneday shortage of gas flowing out of qatar, theyll probably be brownouts in japan. All of the oil and gas that flow out of the gulf from the five or six countries that export through the gulf would be affected. Richard clarke, could you stay with us . Id like to after a break here talk to you about the preparations for Cyber Defense in our next election which we dont really seem to be mounting. If we can squeeze in a quick break, if you could stay, id like to talk to you about that. Well come right back after the breaking with Richard Clarkes assessment of the cyber threat during our next election. F the t during our next election too many people in pain settle for a restless nights sleep. Theres a better choice. Aleve pm. 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And installed malware on the company network. Yesterday, floridas governor said that the fbi has told him of two florida counties where Russian Hackers have tapped into their voter file. Back with us is Richard Clarke, counterterrorism expert. Richard clarke, your reaction to both of those things. First that notation in the Mueller Report and then possibly its linkage to what were learning in. Well, they are linked. And the remarkable thing about that event yesterday was the governor of florida is saying he had been forced by the fbi to sign a secrecy oath before they would tell him anything. And they told him he couldnt tell the two the counties involved the citizens of those counties ortsds public what counties had been hacked. Thats just ridiculous. The russians know what they did. Theres no reason why the American People cant know. But the larger issue here, lawrence, is there are 4,000 counties in the United States. And they are not equipped to protect themselves against nation state attacks from russian gru hackers. My day job is Cyber Security. And i know major corporations cant figure out when theyve been hacked. Despite a lot of investment. For these counties to say we know we werent hacked, they dont know. The fbi doesnt know. Its likely that the russian hacking was far more extensive than were aware of. If the russians wanted to hide their tracks theyre pretty good at doing that. The president has issued no orders within the administration to augment our defenses against a russian attack in 2020. How much do you expect the bureaucracies within the administration are doing that anyway even without a specific president ial directive, and what do you expect in 2020. I expect the russians to be more sophisticated next time because were on to together. The real power of the u. S. Government doesnt get played out. It needs white house leadership. I know senator widen is about to introduce legislation, the federal cybersecurity election act will give more authority and direction but it unlikely to get pasted. We may very well go into the next election without a adequate defense against what will be a more sophisticated russian program. And if the russians really are going after Voting Machines or voter roles, they would presumably be using the Electoral College map to do that. They wouldnt waste their time on anything in new york or california or alabama or example or utah where those are very heavily either democrat or republican states, they couldnt affect the outcome. They would not go into those states that swung it for the president , wisconsin, pennsylvania, places like that . Not only that, lawrence. They will go into the swing counties and precincts and know where they are. I wouldnt be surprised when we do learn what counties were hacked in florida if one of them wasnt br wasnt broward. 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Now with new prints featuring characters from Disney Pixars toy story 4 in theaters june 21. My name is j. W. And this is my hometown that i love dearly and these are wonderful people. I think youre only the second president ial candidate to come. Jfk in 1960 came here and so thank you for coming. Thank you. Both massachusetts senators and president ial candidates, democrats who visited kermit. That was Elizabeth Warren in kermit, West Virginia in a county where more than 80 of the voters voted for donald trump. One trump voter said she done good after her appearance at the fire station in kermit. That voter did not say he was going to vote for Elizabeth Warren but at least one trump voter said she was thinking about voting for Elizabeth Warren after listening to her. Senator Elizabeth Warren is not afraid of talking to trump voters. She just doesnt want to do it on fox. Yesterday on twitter, she explained why she will not participate in a town hall on fox. Fox news is a hate for profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiraciestconspi risking life and death cop kw s consequences to provide cover for the corruption rotting our government and hollowing out our middle class. Hate for profit works only if there is profit so fox news balances a mix of bigotry, racism and out right lies with enough legit journalism to make the claim to advertisers that its a reputable news outlet. It all about dragging in ad money, big ad money. A democratic town hall gives the fox news sales team a way to tell potential sponsors its safe to buy ads on fox. No harm to their brand or reputation. Here is one place we can fight back. I wont ask millions of democratic primary voters to tune into an outlet that profits from racism and hate in order to see our candidates especially when fox will make even more money adding our valuable audience to their ratings numbers. Im running a campaign to reach all americans, i take questions from the press and voters everywhere i go. Fox news is welcome to come to my events just like any other outlet, but a fox news town hall adds money to the hate for profit machine to which i say hard pass. Tommy christopher in an article on media i said that he has been unsure whether democrats should participate. Elizabeth warrens tweets won him over. He wrote any democrat who agrees to appear at a fox news town hall after warrens stand is either saying that they dont believe fox news is an enterprise fueled by race sism bigotry or they think there is something more important than denying it aid and comfort. Neither should be acceptable to democratic voters and senator Kamala Harris has also decided not to appear on fox for a town hall. President ial candidate and california senator Kamala Harris will not appear on fox news for a moderated town hall according to two sources familiar with the matter. Harris campaign has not informed fox news executives. She will appear here on a town hall i host tuesday may 28th in spartanburg South Carolina in a county that voted 63 for donald trump. Kamala harris will go to Trump Country to speak to voters there directly in our msnbc town hall. That is tonights last word. The 11th hour with Brian Williams starts now. A 12page refusal let there says the white house wont turnover documents to house judiciary so the Committee Chair likens the president to a king and accuses the white house as if trump were a tyrant or dictator and our elements of our own government trying to get us into a war with iran . They claim incoming threats from iran but members of congress have at least one british general dont seem to know what they are talking about and the alabama governor signs a billfebil bill effectively banning abortion and violates the law of the land and reproductive rights are now in something of a ground war across our country as the 1 11th hour gets underway on a wednesday night. Well, good evening. Day 846 of this Trump Administration. The state of alabama has now passed what is infect a