Interview with mr. Kushner when the committee decides that its time for us to set a date because we know exactly the scope of what needs to be asked. And the committedy leaders vowing to Work Together and let the facts lead the investigation. Having served as an advisor on the Trump Campaign, can you say hand over heart that you can oversee an impartial and serious absolutely. Ill do something ive never done. Ill admit that i voted for him. We always hide who we vote for, thats parted of the democratic process. But ive got a job in the United States senate, and i take that job extremely serious. It overrides any personal beliefs that i have or loyalties that i have. I have confidence in richard burr that we together with the members of our committee will get to the bottom of this. But the house investigation a tad bit different, real different. More scrutiny on chairman nunes, a topic the Senate Leaders punted on. Well answer anything about the Senate Intelligence committees investigation. We will not take questions on the House Intelligence Committee. We would refer those to the House Intelligence Committee. Now every single democratic member of the House Intelligence Committee is calling on the chairman nunes to step down today. He says no chance. No, they have done very little to even look through the documents that the intelligence agencies have provided. So i think at the end of the day here, were going to get to the truth and well finding out whos actually doing a real investigation and youll find out that we are very much doing an investigation and have been for a long time. Are you worried about being able to work with mr. Schiff . Were always concerned about this. We always wanting to keep the committee bipartisan, but at the end of the day, were going to do an investigation with or without them. And if they want to participate, thats fine. We dont even know who their witnesses is that they want to call, so i would encourage you guys to go and start to follow them around and figure out who they want to bring in and interview. And then theres this. Just moments ago reporters caught up with chairman nunes again. Who at the white house gave you access to the intel . Guys, theres nothing theres nothing here. Appreciate the attention, though. Thank you. Did the white house know did the white house know about the intel before you briefed them on it . Thank you, guys. Ive answered all the questions over and over again. Probably the following week. Were they involving Trump Associates . Were not going to get into the witness list at this point. It depends who wants to come freely. Some People Volunteer to come freely so obviously well do interviews with those folks. Yeah, were looking forward to getting the information. How are you doing this with the Committee Democrats calling for your recan you feel. How are you moving forward . Well continue to work through this. I think there will be active participants will be by guess. Thank you. With me congresswoman jackie spear, democrat from the great state of california who serves on the House Intelligence Committee. And she is calling for chairman nunes to resign as chairn of the committee. Nice to see you. Great to see you, greta. Some say thaert he should recuse himself as the chairman. You want him to step down from the committee. I think it is very hard when he has put in place all of those Staff Members of the committee and then were going to have a separate chair for the investigation into the russia connection and were going to have two chairs operating down there. I finding it really complex and i dont think it can happen. When you go to the substantive aspect of it, does it play into any of the events of the last week . The fact that he got this call and he goes to the white house. He wont tell the source and then he has a press conference the next day. Then he runs down and talks to the president , then he has another press conference and now he wont tell us any of this. So at first youve got to begin to wonder if the House Intelligence Committee is an oxymoron now. You saw what the senators did. They didnt even want to talk about it. I know. They were like house what . We dont know anybody on the house side. Who . You know, the crumbs were laid last week when the president said there will be something coming out in the committee next week. This in my mind was orchestrated by the white house and nunes was part of the deal from the beginning. Prior to two weeks ago, you worked with him, right . Yes. Thats whats so interesting. Whats he like . He was easy to work with. It was a bipartisan committee. Its like drz a dr. Jekyll mr. Hyde that has taken place here. He is different. He has become pugnacious and silent and surrepticis and all of a sudden were reading about it in the press. I dont get a sense that hes consulting with other republicans on the committee either. I see the divide between the republicans and democrats, but i dont have a sense talking to republican members that hes telling them any of this information. Well, the one thing we know is that after we had the hearing and the bombshell was let out by director comey. Which was . Which was not only were they investigating the relationship of russia and their intervention in our electoral process, they were looking at the coordination that might have been going on between the Trump Campaign operatives and the russians. That was a huge bombshell. And after that hearing when the democrats were all developing the links with russia within the trump orbit and all of the republicans were talking about leaks, they then, i think, decided at that point they were not going to have the next Committee Hearing that was supposed to be public. Are you saying all the republicans or nunes . No, the republicans met together. So you think theyre all in this secrecy kabal for lack of a better word . I think they have circled the wagons. Theyre all going to defend devin for the near term. Theyre hooked to his star right now, or lack thereof. Hes getting barbecued. Im sewery sympathetic to people getting barbecued, i feel sorry for the underdog, but he could ending this. This is selfinflicted wound. Hes the one thats put all this sinister, sneaky, mysteries, wrapped this all in this mystery. So he could end all of this and ju tell us. But he hasnt, and i dont think he intends to. And i think the republicans think that they can just weather the storm. Were going on recess for two weeks and by the time we return, hell be able to just resume his activities. I dont think its going away. Certainly the people that are calling my office are not pleased with whats going on. When was the last time you spoke to him . Well, at the hearing. And he is friendly, nice, everything . Yes. Congresswoman, nice to see you. Nice to see you. Thank you, greta. The house investigation into russia was once again a big part of the White House Press briefing. Spokesperson sean spicer faced a barrage of new questions about chairman devin nunes. One of the reasons theres this question about chairman nunes is he hasnt told his own Committee Members what he knows, how he learned about it and what the substantive importance of that is. So we are also curious about that. And among the things that might be or might shed light about that is how he got here, who he met with and what he learned. I understand. Those are questions for him. The members of the very committee themselves say they dont know. Fair enough. What was being skugsd. How is the process Going Forward . The answer to that question is thats a question for chairman nunes. How he conducts himself with his members, when and where he shares things, et cetera, are issues for him and the committee and the house of representatives, not for us. Eugene robinson is a columnist for the Washington Post and Howard Fineman from the huffington post. Nunes . What nunes . Hes the guy who was on the white house ground the other day looking at top secret information, courtesy of someone, we dont know who. Theyre treating him like a fence jumper. You cant jump the fence at this point. You have to be escorted in by somebody. You have to be validated by somebody to get into the white house. Even a congressman cant just waltz onto the white house grounds to go to a secret place to look at secret documents. So somewhere theres a record of who it was who asked the guy who come in. The problem that nunes has is the problem that gene and i have seen and you have seen in washington forever. Its probably not whatever the original russia story was about what Paul Manafort or the others were doing. I dont think looking at the evidence that its about Donald Trumps campaign directly coordinating with the russians. Its about what the white house and its fellow travelers do to slow down or try to stop an investigation. And you put nunes right in that narrative right now. Im telling you, its not fair to guess and to be suspicious, but hes put us in that position. When i looked when i dissected what he said, he said that someone was unmasked who was on the Transition Team. So the first thing i thought, well, guess who was on the Transition Team . He was, he was, he was. But was it something that he said and he doesnt want us to know about it . I dont know. Well, thats the question. One of 20 questions we could sit here and ask about this, right . But thats like one of the first questions. Is there going to be a house investigation or not basically . You saw what the senate thinks about the house. Exactly. At this point you have to say not, because whatever he does at this point has no credibility. Do you even want a house investigation at this point . Youve got the senate investigating it and we had two adults coming out today, right . They sounded like total adults. Total adults. And meanwhile you have the real investigation going on with the fbi, right, which as you know has you know, they have theyre a bit more serious about this. If you dont think they act adult, ask the people that theyre hauling in to question. I think the adults, if there are any in washington, and thats always an open question, have decided that the house investigation is hopelessly corrupted, because nunes going over to the white house looking at the stuff and then telling donald trump about it. Thats not an independent investigation. And not telling us. And not telling his own people. Not telling the committee. So its not bipartisan. So the senate, which may be in the process, by the way, of getting rid of the most characteristic Senate Procedure of all time, which is the filibuster which harry reid did. In all fairness totally. Which harry reid began the slippery slope of that, i agree. But the senate still wants to preserve the idea that the senate is the independent cooling saucer and deliberative body of american politics. And if they give up the filibuster, theyre going to say that burr and warner, two southern paragons of deliberativeness, are going to actually do a thorough investigation. And theres some competition between the house and the senate here. The house has been turned into a hopelessly parliamentary operation where nobody in the minority has any authority whatsoever. If youre going to reserve preserve any bipartisanship in washington, any independent assessment of the idea that facts exist, thats at least for now what burr and warner are saying and thats powerful. Eugene, its become so weird in this whole thing, this whole thing with nunes, and so its so its easy for me to roll my eyes, but this is fund mently extremely serious. Extremely serious we get to the bottom of all of this, and the world is watching. Exactly, the world is watching. Serious questions have been asked and they need to be answered. As howard said, theres no grievous underlying crime here well, its not necessarily related to the white house directly. But we dont know. We dont know, we dont know. We dont know. I think its you know what, i dont think this is fair to the American People that they played that they game us like this. I dont think thats fair. Its not fair to the American People. I hate making this comparison, but its actually apt in this occasion. Its the watergate comparison. It was about something that happened in the 1972 campaign. And ultimately it was about the coverup. It wasnt the crime. That is if youre going to ascribe greta, if youre going to inscribe in marble, its not the crime, but the coverup. The other thing i would say is this is not an Atlantic City gambling license hearing. Okay . This is big stuff involving the highest level of potential corruption of the american political system by a foreign country. Youve got to take it seriously. And to all of you watching from Atlantic City and you think its real important, Howard Fineman, ill give you his email address at the next break. Thank you, gentlemen. Still ahead, will the white house reveal who talked to chairman devin nunes last tuesday night and who then let him into the white house and why . And why late on tuesday night did he go . New pressure tonight to let the public see those allimportant and telling white house logs. Senator Lindsey Graham is here to talk about the next big capitol hill fight and one certain to be a bruiser, the Supreme Court. Plus democrats on the attack, accusing the Trump Administration of trying to sabotage some obamacare. Some fiery moments in a dramatic hearing. Also, she is back. Former secretarystate Hillary Clinton, 2016 democratic candidate, she just stepped back into the spotlight and senator Bernie Sanders demanding an overhaul of the dnc. Is the Democratic Party still feeling raw from their election disaster . Well talk about it with former dnc head congresswoman Debbie Wasserman schultz. Stay with us. Liberty mutual stood with us when a fire destroyed the living room. 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In response, republicans firing back, warning democrats they will take a page out of harry reids playbook and may change senate rules using the socalled Nuclear Option and scrapping Senate Tradition and approving a nominee with a simple majority. That would be 51 votes. Democratic senator joe manchin has not said how he will vote but he does have a message for republicans. We need to come together as a body and save the country, save the bodies we can with the 60vote cloture rule. If republicans take off im going to do the Nuclear Option because harry reid did it. Harry reid was wrong. With me senator Lindsey Graham, republican from south carolina. Nice to see you, sir. Thank you. Were going to have a fight next week, arent we . Looks like it. And its sort of interesting. All these democrats have said theyre going to vote no for the Supreme Court for judge gorsuch. Right. But in 2006 when he was put on the federal court for the tenth circuit, a lot of these democrats, including chuck schumer, voted yes. So what happened between then and now . Well, hes had ten and a half of being a judge and from what i can tell is hes been a good judge. The american bar association, which is a pretty independent organization, gave him the highest rating you could reive. A 900page report, you can read it if youd like, they interviewed 500 lawyers, clerks, people who know judge gorsuch who say he was one of the most outstanding judges in the country. He is reasonable, he is mainstream, hes conservative and i think a home run pick by President Trump. The Supreme Court says that youre supposed to provide to the president advice and consent. Right. What does that mean . I think it used to mean that scalia got 98 votes. Thats interesting because judge gorsuch is probably farther to the left. Hes certainly no more conservative than scalia. How much for ginsburg on the left . Strom thurmond voted for ginsburg. I voted for sotomayor and kagan, why . I thought they were qualified. I didnt vote for president obama or President Trump. But when it comes to the election, once its over, i think my advice and consent should be given not because i would have chosen somebody different, because theyre qualified. When you look at the hamilton papers about this, he says the role of the senate is to knock out the unqualified, favoritism, somebody would favor one state over another, a special relationship to the president , some family member, not to substitute your judgment for that of the president and not to substitute your philosophy for that of the nominee. Thats my view. Its what some amusement that senator harry reid invoked the Nuclear Option for Appeals Court judges and for trial court judges, allowing for just 51 votes instead of the 60 to cut it off. And now it looks like is that going to happen with the Supreme Court . It looks like were headed that way. See, i was in the gang of 14 back in 2003, i cant remember when it was. The first bush term they wholesale filibustered almost all of his judial nominees. We came up with a gang of 14 that sd when it came to the pre court and judicial nominees, there would be no filibuster unless there were extraordinary circumstances. That held until 2013 when harry reid changed the rules for Circuit Court and below. And now here we are. All im saying its called the shoes on the other foot. Sotomayor and kagan got cloture. I cant believe gorsuch is less qualified than they are. Who did you vote for . Evan mcmullen and i wouldnt know him if he walked in the room. You presided over a hearing today on russian efforts to undermine democracy. A putin critic testified about having survived two attempted poisonings apparently at the hands of the kremlin. Doctors estimated the chance to survive at about 5 . And both times, the reason for this poisoning was named as undefined toxin. Why did you have this hearing . Well, i wanted to make a case that russia should be punished for what they did in our election as well as what theyre doing in their own country, the putin regime, not the russian people. This man is an anticorruption disdenting inside of russia. Hes been poisoned, near death twice. Theres a list of a dozen people who died mysterious deaths that oppose putin. The judiciary is a joke. Hes trying to break the back of democrieroughout the entire region and now france and germany. He interfered in our elections. To my republican colleagues, its democrats today, it could be us tomorrow. I want sanctions against the putin regime for what hes done all over the world, including his own backyard. What do you make of this whole nunes controversy . Its a mess. Tray gowdy had a good suggestion to schiff. Give us the witnesses you want to interview and lets interview them. I dont like what nunes did going down to the white house, seeing something nobody else saw. I think thats a breach of trust. Hes got to repair the damage. I dont know if he can or not. Burr and warner today were very reassuring to me. Im working with the white house and leahy. We just had a hearing about russia. Why do you think nunes did that . I really dont know. The pressure, maybe he thought he should go down why isnt he explaining . The reason were talking is because he wont end it. The best thing for the house to do is see if they can get an agreement with their democratic colleagues to call witnesses. He canceled the hearing with the clapper, yates and brennan. Well, a public hearing may have should have been canceled, but behind closed doors is probably the way to do this. The bottom line is restart the process. You think he can restart this . Do you think chairman nunes can have can regain credibility . Well see, i dont know. Whaerkd do in my view is tell everybody who he met with and what he saw. He doesnt have to tell you on tv but tell his colleagues, republican and democrat. Heres who i met with and heres what i saw. Why wouldnt he do that . I dont know. Dont you think thats odd . That is odd. So trey gowdy i think has the right approach to try to restart if you can. Give us some witnesses you think are relevant to what happened with russia and the Trump Campaign and lets start interviewing them. I dont know if they can repair the damage or not. Im pleased where the senate is at. If there are ties between the Trump Campaign and russia, the fbi is looking at that. Do it without political interference. The russians interfered in our election. It wasnt some 400pound guy on the bed. When it comes to trump, he is the president. He won the election. I want the investigation to go wherever it needs to go. The reason i am supporting gorsuch, i think hes an outstanding choice. All im asking democrats to do is respect President Trumps choice like i respected president obamas choice by voting for cloture and passage of sotomayor and kagan. So i dont want to set the election aside. Theres no reason to invalidate this election. But there is a reason to investigate what russia did. And we have all these investigations going on, including comeys with the fbi. Thats what i want to make sure we dont cross over into. The fbi is looking at a counterintelligence maybe criminal investigation. I want to steer clear of those guys. I dont want any politician to interfere with the fbis ability to look at what trump operatives may have done with russia. I dont know if theres any evidence at all, but i want the fbi to look at it. Did you see the story where it said that general flynn met with turkish representatives and there was some conversation, woo woolsey was there about kidnapping the guy . The guy inladelphia or pennsylvania . I dont think you could sell this as a book or movie. When you get really confused, go back to the basics. Burr and warner have a process where theyre going to call witnesses, most of them behind closed doors, which it probably should be, and i hope the house can get back into the process of actually collecting evidence rather than finger pointing. What nunes did was wrong, but schiff and some of his friends turn into prosecutors every time theyre on tv. They give a damning indictment of circumstantial evidence linking the Trump Campaign to russia. At the end of the day i dont think thats appropriate either. Senator, nice to see you. Hope you come back. Ill see you next week. Nice to see you. Ahead, what the nbc Investigative Unit is learning about the house intel chairs white house visit. Who let him inside, who did he speak to and who gave him information . Also democrats accuse the Trump Administration of trying to sabotage obamacare. Thats ahead. Americans 83 try to eat healthy. 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Do you have any information to live up to the commitment you made here on monday to provide more details about how that happened . In the process you just told us that, again, is above board and totally appropriate . I dont have anything for you on that at this time. But again, i dont have you looked into it . I have asked some preliminary questions. I have not gotten answers yet. The fascination is with what door did he come in, who did he meet with. As opposed to what i think it should be and ironically its not when the shoe is on the other foot. Whats the substance. With be ken delaney and robert dietz, former senior counselor to the cia director and former general counsel at the nsa. Ken, first to you, do you have any information, any idea who he met with, why he met there, who let him in . Do you have any more information tonight . We have some suspects, greta, but nothing were ready to report on the air tonight. Whats important to understand, though, is that nunes says he went to the old the Eisenhower Executive Office building, which is a stately old building in the white house complex to the west of the white house itself, to a secure room. Now, hes sort of portraying this like he got this from a source like meeting deep throat in the parking garage but there are limited numb of people that have access to a secure room to view classified information at the white house. Former white house officials have told us that any white house official could learn in five minutes who signed nunes into the white house. So its absurd that the white house is suggesting that somehow this is difficult information to come by. In fact that used to be Public Information under the obama administration. Thus far it has not been public under the Trump Administration. So we dont know where he got the information, but theres a limited number of people who are cleared to see this intelligence. After all, this is about intercepts, sensitive, highly classified intelligence. The bottom line is this thing has really blown up the house investigation and hes lost the confidence of democrats, greta. Bob, what do you make of this . I just look at this and i just i dont know what to think. Yeah, i share your view. And i agree, by the way, with kens point. Its not as if anybody can wander into the Old Executive Office building and then check people in, so clearly this is a knowable issue. I am really puzzled by it. I was particularly puzzled by congressman nunes going down to the white house to kind of brief the president , i suppose. The problem, of course, is it tends to undermine the credibility and independence of a hill hearing and i think thats really unfortunate. What could be the find of information . In looking at it, youve been inside at the cia, at the nsa, what is the universe of possibilities that this could be . Well, ive given that a little thought. I dont have any magic answers. It could be explaining how, if this is true, how people close to President Trump and the campaign, how they might have been picked up had they been communicating with foreign folks. And what would be so secret about that . Well, as you know, under executive order 12111, minimumization, in other words taking out u. S. Person identities is Standard Operating Procedure and it obligatory. It can be broken in two circumstances. One is if theres evidence of a crime and, b, for some reason you need that identity to make sense of the foreign intelligence. It could be that whatever topic was addressed by the foreign person, say a russian, that President Trump was told that. Ken, are people frustrated within the Intelligence Community on this . Whats sort of the thought on this whole drama as its unfolding . Well, theyre just mystified by what nunes did. You know, as bob knows better than anybody, incidental collection, particularly if its foreigner to foreigner surveillance where that is about americans, that happens every day. I mean the nsa is listening to foreign embassies, theyre communicating back to their capitals. This was during the transition so why would this be such a so why would nunes want to even hide this . You could you could mask some of the thing and just give us a little more information and call off the dogs . Well, exactly. And he back tracked, dont forget. At first nunes said trump and his aides had been monitored and then he said, no, it might have just been communications about them. Look, the theory by democrats is this was all just a ruse to give trump some cover for his bogus wiretapping claim so that he could say, see, there was surveillance in trump tower. This is the evidence of it. And the best the best evidence of that, i guess, is that donald trump didnt need devin nunes to give him this information. 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And health and Human Services secretary tom price was grilled today at the hearing on capitol hill. Democrats peppering him on the future of obamacare and whether he planned to sabotage it. Will you continue that effort to disallow advertising to let people know about enrollment . That happened before my arrival. What will you do . As i said, were committed to making certain that every american has access to affordable so you will continue to do the advertising . Were committed to making certain that youll do advertising . I wouldnt commit to any specific entity. Okay. Well, the white house is turning its focus back to health care in a push led by chief strategist steve bannon. Last night the president was very confident. I know that were all going to make a deal on health care. Thats such an easy one, so i have no doubt that thats going to happen very quickly. I think it will actually, i think its going to happen, because weve all been promising, democrat, republican, weve all been promising that to the American People. So i think a lot of good things are going to happen there. Karen tumulty is from the water pos Washington Post an jonathan. Sean spicer today at the White House Briefing was saying he was being facetious when he said that. Oh, good. But obviously if theyre serious about restarting this, its going to have to be in a totally different way. Its i think what everyone learned is that you cant rush this, that you have to sort of sell it in the country and explain to the country exactly what youre trying to achieve here. And so however they go about this, its not going to be another, what, 18day deal. You know, i sort of think this is the polly anna in me, it might be a good thing because now the republicans and the democrats may Work Together. The democrats dont want it to fail and they dont want that hung around their neck as obamacare failing and collapsing and the republicans you think im nuts. Yeah, i do. All right. Im trying to find some good tonight for all of us. Im trying to make the viewers at home feel good. I had lunch with nancy ploety yesterday and i did not get that vibe. Who picked up the bill . Well, her office. It was sandwiches for a bunch of propertie reporters. I was just kidding. So where are we on this . So leader pelosi says no . Heres the thing. The situation hasnt changed since a week ago. The moderates and the conservatives still dont agree on anything really. And the notion that steve bannon is sort of with a cape on coming in to fix this, i mean all hes doing, and hes told associates of his this, is clearing some space so that moderates and conservatives can talk to each other without the white house and leadership interfering too much. Hes certainly not working on this in some sort of pivotal, save the day way. And theres no timeline. Theres no timeline for fixing this. There needs to be a cooling off period. There was a report today there was going to be legislative moves next week. I texted a bunch of people in leadership and they were all like well, thats news to me. So finished, karen . Its finished . I dont think were going see anything any time soon. Well know that theyre serious about it when they start bring in some actual serious thinkers on policy. The fact that President Trump has spoken to Zeke Emmanuel who was also involved in putting obamacare together and is a deep thinker on this subject, those are some good signs. Well, my other idea, besides the one jonathan just shot down as a possibility, is i think i would bring in senator tom coburn, a doctor, and governor howard dean, a doctor, republican and democrat, and put them in a room and see if they cant try to battle something out. 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Many see parallels between brexit and our 2016 election. A comparison embraced by canada and then President Trump. The brexit deal, i think when you talk about leave, you know, i felt it was going to happen. There is great similarities between what happened here and my campaign. Youre taking your country back. Europe, like the United States, has made tremendous mistakes over the last period of time. Call me mr. Brexit. Brexit was an example of what was to come. I said brexit is going to happen. I think brexit is going to be a wonderful thing for your country. It will ending up being a fantc thing for the United Kingdom. With me, tina brown. Nice to see you, tina. Good to see you too, greta. Tina, is whats going on with brexit in london akin to the populist movement that led to the election of President Trump . Well, there are definitely similarities to that but i would say the similarities now are more to whats just happened with the health care bill. We have trump saying its going to be wonder. Ful wonderful, its going to be great. Its going to be about as great as the Republicans Health care bill. Its so much easier to shout repeal and replace, which is what happened with brexit. Boris johnson, one of the prime brexiteers sold a bill of goods to the british people. Aidouan have Free Movement the ending of Free Movement of peoples, the end of the immigration freedom, which has been very unpopular in the uk, and at the same time have access to the free market. People believed that was true. They thought they could have their cake and eat it too. The fact is you cant leave the club and swim in the pool. Theres no reason why europe will accept that and they will not get access to the free market. Thats exactly what Manfred Weber said, a german lawmaker. He said if you leave the eu, you lose the associated benefits. Thats not going to change. I think for some reason there are people that think thats a negotiating point. It is not a negotiating point, its absolutely the one thing that all 27 countries can agree on. And its sort of i dont know if you heard i played for you what the president of the eu said today, sort of a bittersweet comment to the brits. Heres what he said. What can i add to this. Thank you and goodbye. That was sort of sweet. We already miss you to the brits. Yes, but its extremely sad and extremely dangerous because britain now woennt be a part o determining its fate when theres rising pop liz many and chaos. How does it help britain to be truly Little England again. Not only that, its going to trigger another referendum in scotland because even thoug scotland did vote to stay in the union in 2014, things are going to change radically in the next two years. And when scotland finds its going to have tariffs slapped on its whiskey, thats going to change the entire attitude of the Business Community and others in scotland. They just renegotiated theyre marriage vows and theyre going to have to reexamine them again. This is a disaster. This cannot be good. Why did this happen . Well, you know, the trouble is, is that very much like here, a kind of rabid, you know, unhappiness with globalism and the digital disruption, all of the things that affected peoples mind set here was the same in parts of the uk and places in the north of england which had been neglected by the torrey party who kept on cutting and cutting. David cameron, the Prime Minister, severely misjudged the idea he could win this vote after subjecting tremendous savage cut to the british people at the time before he won in the next election. There was a great deal of discomfort and unhappiness that wasnt being paid attention to and somehow brexit became this great battle cry. Everything was the fault of brexit. Immigration and, you know, the fact you couldnt get a doctors appointment and the fact that your schooling was down, it was all blamed on brexit. Many people didnt know what brexit was and the next day after it happened, they were all googling what is the european union. It was a very low information voter kind of situation. Tina, thank you tore joining us. Thank you. Still ahead, senator Bernie Sanders calling for a topdown overhaul of the Democratic Party. This after a house clean that the former dnc Debbie Wasserman scltz on that next. Wanna get away . Now you can with southwest fares as low as 59 dollars oneway. Yes to low fares with nothing to hide. Thats transfarency. And youre about in to hit send all on some embarrassing gas. Hey, you bought gasx® unlike antacids, gasx ® relieves pressure and bloating fast. Huh, crisis averted. Whats the best way to get v8 or a fancy juice store . S . Ready, go hi, juice universe . One large rutabaga, with eggplant. Done thats not fair. 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For months, democrats have been looking in the mirror for answers, asking what needs to change. And now a big change. The new chairman of the dnc telling all staffers to hand in their resignation letters. Its just the latest shakeup for the dnc. Last summer during the election, wikileaks exposed committee emails showing staffers appearing to side with secretary clinton over Bernie Sanders. That led to the chairwoman of the dnc stepping down. With me is that former dnc chair, congresswoman Debbie Wasserman schultz, democrat from florida. First id like to get your reaction to senator Bernie Sanders, what he said today. Clearly the Democratic Party needs a topdown overhaul, and that topdown overhaul means that instead of becoming dependent and being dependent on big money interest for campaign contributions, its got to become a Grassroots Party. It has got to start speaking and acting and fighting for working people, for young people. Thats the kind of party i think has to the democrats have to create. Its sort of a little bit like i heard four years ago when republicans were doing an autopsy after they lost the election in 2012. But is senator Bernie Sanders right . Does it start at the top and come down and if so, how do you do that . First, let me just say im not sure why the chair of either National Political party asking for staff resignations is news because its a pretty routine practice. It is important for each chair to be able to, you know, shuffle the footprint and make sure that they analyze their staffing needs. Thats all that this was. What about what senator Bernie Sanders says. Whats going on with the Democratic Party or what should go on . Ry inspeespectfully to senato sanders, we are already a grassrootsparty. If we were not, we would not have been abl to bring down the absolutely abhorrent Health Care Repeal bill that would have knocked over 24 million peoples over ten years off of their health care, that would have increased health costs for people, increased Prescription Drug prices. So hes wrong . No. Its actually more like semantics. We all agree that we should be and we are a Grassroots Party that focuses on making sure that we can help people reach the middle class. I think, though, the Republican Party there are a lot of republicans who voted for donald trump who would say, the populist movement would say theyre the grassroots. Theyre the tea party. Everyone is sort of trying to hijack that term. Actually if you look at the facts, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. Majority of voters that went to the polls to choose their print chose Hillary Clinton and our agenda. The American People overwhelmingly agree with us and they proved it again on friday when the republicans had to abandon their abhorrent Health Care Repeal plan because it hurt millions of people, and it wasnt even something any could stomach. Robby mook was on this show a little while back and i asked him whether he thought secretary clinton was going to run in 2020. I actually think shes going to throw her hat back in the ring. Im probably dead wrong. What do you think . I think Hillary Clinton is doing exactly what she should be doing, using her vy strong voice and her overwhelming popularity to help make sure we can continue to advance the dialogue but do you think shes got her eye on 2020 . I think the last thing Hillary Clinton is thinking about right now is what shes doing in 2020. You think she doesnt have any interest in 2020 . I think she has an interest in doing what she always has, that is to help make the world better and focus on making sure that Government Works to assist people in making their lives better and isnt an obstacle. Nobody thinks shes going to run in 2020. Im the only one thats apparently suspicious that she is. Anyway, thank you very much for joining us. Youre welcome. My pleasure. And thank you for watching. Ill see you back here tomorrow night, 6 00 p. M. Eastern. Dvr if you cant watch live. Follow me on twitter or check out my Facebook Page. I just posted a video on my Facebook Page about a movie i want you to see. I think youll love it. Hardball with Chris Matthews starts right now. Trump has got a bur in his saddle. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews. In washington, today, a rare beam of hope. For the first time in months we saw a pair of grownups. Theyre looking into the role of the trump troops played in cahoots with Vladimir Putins troops in manipulating the 2016 president ial election. As i said, an usual picture. Today at a joint press conference for the senate kejs Committee Leaders richard bur and mark warner, we heard plans from them for a major set of televised hearings on the