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Wisconsins 10, and three of maines four. Trump won the other one. Were still awaiting results from several battleground states. Right now, georgia, pennsylvania, nevada, and North Carolina all too close to call. Arizona too early to call. Good morning and welcome to way too early. Im kasie hunt on this thursday, november 5th. That was the state of the race. Lets dig in a bit deeper on this thursday morning. First, lets go to pennsylvania, where joe biden has cut into Donald Trumps lead significantly. Around this time yesterday, trump led by some 700,000 votes. Now with 89 of the expected vote in, trump now leads by just over 164,000 votes with a lot of mailin ballots still being counted. Lets look at Philadelphia County, home to quite a few joe biden voters. He currently leads by 60 , and were still waiting for more than 244,000 votes out of there. Biden currently at 79 . Hillary clinton won Philadelphia County with 82 in 2016. Hmm. We are also waiting for about 80,000 votes from allegheny county, where pittsburgh is located. Biden currently leads by 19 Percentage Points there. Arizona still too early to call this morning. Right now, joe biden leads President Trump by about 68,000 votes. The Election Department for Maricopa County thats arizonas most populous county, one weve been focused on all night they tweeted overnight that there is still about 275,000 ballots still to be counted, plus provisionals, and they added that more results are going to come at 7 00 p. M. Local time. So, pretty late here on the east coast. Its not clear when other counties in arizona will report their latest figures. Lets go now to nevada, where the president ial race is still too close to call this morning. Right now joe biden is ahead by 7,600 votes. Thousands of ballots were still uncounted as of yesterday. Nevadas secretary of state said yesterday morning that no new results are going to be reported until 9 00 a. M. Pacific time this morning. I guess well all get a nap early in the morning here on the east coast. Election officials in clark county, the states largest county, dont expect to have a tally of how many ballots are left to count until today. And according to the reno gazette journal, Elections Officials in Washoe County estimate that 9,000 mailin and dropoff ballots received on tuesday still need to be counted. Lets go now to georgia. I have been watching this for the last week, and especially the last two days. Too close to call in georgia this morning. President trump is ahead by about 23,000 votes. As of midnight, there were still at least 17,000 ballots left to be counted in fulton county. Thats, of course, home to atlanta. At 10 15 p. M. Last night, georgias secretary of state said several counties were still counting ballots and there were about 90,000 ballots still outstanding. Meanwhile, in North Carolina, still too close to call this morning. Its going to be like that for a while, as President Trump maintains a narrow lead of just under 77,000 votes over joe biden. 95 of the vote has been recorded. The North Carolina board of elections announced yesterday that its begun the tenday process of counting the outstanding ballots as well as conducting audits to verify the Election Results. The board noted on its website that as of wednesday afternoon, approximately 116,000 absentee and mailin ballots had yet to be counted. Yikes. Most county boards of election across the state will hold meetings next thursday and friday, so a week from today and tomorrow, to count the remaining provisional and absentee ballots, but some of those meetings will be held this week or early next. Yesterday, President Trump attempted to call the race for himself in that state, along with pennsylvania, georgia, and michigan, something he simply cant do. Joining us now, nbc news political reporter ali vitali. Ali, good morning to you. It is great to see you. I know you are running on just as little sleep as the rest of us here. Lets talk about how the Biden Campaign is feeling this morning about where this stands, how the day is going to play out. The former Vice President has obviously been very careful in the tone that he has been using, and it has been very different from President Trumps. Reporter purposefully very careful about the tone that hes been using, because in the beginning, even before votes were cast on election day, this campaign was prepared for the fact that donald trump could come out, as hely did on Election Night, saying he won the election. Again, as you pointed out, thats not how any of this works. But they have tried to be very careful about the way that joe biden has been a consistent voice throughout these last two days of Election Results, saying that hes optimistic about where things are heading, yesterday going further to say that he thinks that he is going to win. Again, that going is the key phrase there, because hes not saying im the winner, this is over, but hes saying that, once this is over, once the votes are counted, he thinks that hes going to be the next president of the United States. I will say, some of his staffers have gone further. We heard senior advisers on a call yesterday saying that this thing is effectively won. Thats because theyre really leaning into the math and the data here. Theyre looking at what they see on the ground and theyre looking at most of those big democratic populous centers in places like philadelphia and pittsburgh and pennsylvania, for example, that still are counting votes. You and i both know this because weve covered elections before. Those are typically places that take longer to tally their votes anyway. You then factor in the pandemic and all of the new votebymail options that those county boards of elections are dealing with now, and we knew that this was going to be a lengthy process. I would say, though, the biden team is also preparing for the legal realities here that the Trump Campaign has long telegraphed and is now bringing to fruition in places like michigan and georgia, where theyre basically saying, lets just stop counting the votes, and then in wisconsin, where theyre saying that theyre going to demand a recount. The thing is, though, lawsuits tend to be done to rectify mistakes or errors. We havent exactly seen that there are mistakes or errors here. Votes have been cast and now theyre being counted. Thats something that the biden team has long said that theyre going to push for. Theyve been really bullish on this idea that when the Trump Campaign pushes forward on all of these different legal fronts, bob bauer, the lawyer leading this effort for the Biden Campaign says theyre ready and thinks they are going to win if it comes to that, kasie. And bob bauer has been working on issues around this for many decades. Its a good point. So, ali, lets just think about how this day is going to play out. I mean, were still waiting for a call in arizona. We have not called arizona yet here at nbc news. We had been anticipating maybe we would get more vote last night than we actually did, so thats still outstanding. Theres also nevada, which has been counting more slowly than we anticipate. But certainly, a lot of people im talking to are hopeful that there will at least be a call in nevada today, that theyll be able to bank on. That, of course, is one significant path for joe biden to put those two states together that would potentially save them some of those legal headaches in pennsylvania. How are they looking at how the day is going to play out, planning for it . Are we going to see the former Vice President , et cetera . Reporter yeah, i think those states, nevada and arizona, are ones they are really banking on. I think our bigboard tally has joe biden at nine different paths to victory versus Donald Trumps three. Thats always sort of been the reality. Trump had a tighter needle to thread here always on the Electoral College map. But i think its safe to say that if you see joe biden hit 270 today, were probably going to see him here in wilmington, delaware, again, kasie. For sure. All right, nbcs ali vitali, thank you so much for being up early with us, my friend. Hope you guys are all hanging in there. For the first time now, we have to go to coronavirus, and things are rough, because for the first time, new u. S. Infections surpassed 100,000 cases in a single day with no signs that this is slowing down. Hospitalization numbers are surging across the midwest and the southwest as a growing number of states are reaching record highs. And it comes after a day that the deeply divided nation went to the polls, of course, to choose between President Trump and joe biden. Trump has frequently claimed that democrats will stop talking about coronavirus restrictions on the day after the election. Were two days after the election. And instead, we hit this milestone. Dr. Anthony fauci, the nations top Infectious Disease expert, warned that the nation would reach 100,000 cases a day. He made this warning five months ago. If proper measures werent taken. So, id have to say, the numbers speak for themselves. Im very concerned and im not satisfied with whats going on, because were going in the wrong direction. Clearly, we are not in total control right now. We cant just focus on those areas that are having the surge. It puts the entire country at risk. We are now having 40,000plus new cases a day. I would not be surprised if we go up to 100,000 a day if this does not turn around. And so, i am very concerned. And now, here we are. Meanwhile, a federal judge criticized the u. S. Postal service, saying the agency failed to comply with his order to sweep postal facilities for leftover mailin ballots in battleground states where Election Officials are continuing to count votes. According to the l. A. Times, judge emmit g. Sullivan of washington, d. C. , instructed officials to have postal facilities in texas to search and deliver votes to local election offices by 5 00 p. M. The texas order comes a day after sullivan instructed a series of sweeps for mail ballots in a dozen postal facilities, including central pennsylvania, philadelphia, atlanta, arizona, and michigan. The Postal Service said in Court Filings that it did search for ballots in the ordered locations tuesday but that the 3 00 p. M. Deadline was not, quote unquote, operationally possible. The sweep eventually turned up 13 delayed mail ballots in pennsylvania and all of them were referred to Postal Service management for expedited delivery, the agency said. Still ahead here, were going to take a look at where the Senate Stands this morning with results still being counted in a handful of states. Plus, the Pittsburgh Steelers pay it forward on election day with a little surprise for poll workers. 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The lions might need a new quarterback for sundays game against the vikings after the Team Announced yesterday that Matthew Staffords been placed on the reserve covid19 list. Espn reports staffords considered a highrisk close contact of a non team member who tested positive for coronavirus. According to the network, staffords last contact with the individuals was on monday, meaning he could still be eligible to play against minnesota, pending five Straight Days of negative tests. Stafford was already on the list for a day over the summer after what was called a false positive test. Meanwhile, the injuryplagued 49ers are going to be even more shorthanded for tonights matchup against the packers with four players added to the reserve covid19 list. The team shut down its facility yesterday after a positive test result for receiver kendrick warren, placing him on a list and later added left tackle Trent Williams and wideouts brandon aye yook and samuel, all deemed close contacts of warren. Tonights game against green bay still expected to be played as scheduled. As election workers in allegheny county, pennsylvania, meanwhile, worked through the night to process mailin ballots, the Pittsburgh Steelers reportedly sent dinners for poll staffers there, which is just a short drive from heinz field. According to the pittsburgh postgazette, a catering arrived around 7 00 p. M. With pies, rigatoni, pasta, vegetables and dinner rolls. The steelers are facing the cowboys sunday in dallas. A really nice gesture. And i just want to say again, thank you to every person who is doing the very hard, thankless, and now in the middle of a pandemic, pretty dangerous job counting our ballots late into the night, starting early in the morning. 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Republicans on capitol hill are increasingly confident about ho their Chance Holding a slim majority in the senate. Right now the gop has 48 seats compared to democrats 47. Still five races that have not been called. North carolina too close to call this morning. Republicans feeling good about it. In georgia, one race is too close to call, and the other definitely heading to a runoff. Arizonas senate race too early to call, although mark kelly did declare victory last night. Alaska still too early to call. Some of those votes have to come in literally by dog sled. Yesterday, democratic senator gary peters was able to hold onto his seat in michigan, one where republicans had some hopes to come from behind. And in maine, republican senator Susan Collins declared the aapparently winner of her race, getting a lot of props from republicans this morning for hanging on in maine. Since prematurely declaring victory from the white house, meanwhile, President Trump has remained hold up inside his residence watching the results. The New York Times reports that trump made calls to supporters and friends yesterday while watching fox news coverage, sounding subdued and sm somewhat dispirited to some of the people who talked to him. He also spoke to the republican governors in texas and florida about the possibility that fraud was being committed, according to people briefed on the call. Remember, he won those states. The president s advisers tried to persuade trump to speak in the east room lfer joe biden made his remarks in the Morning Hours on wednesday but couldnt convince him. Instead, they sat and watched as biden set the tone for the day. As arizona, meanwhile, edges towards a biden win, some trump aides have begun pointing fingers at each other. This did not take long. They told the times that trump has often resisted requests from his top advisers to spend more time in arizona, probably because he didnt like traveling west and spending the night on the road. And while trump was not seen publicly yesterday, his close circle was out doing damage control, including eric trump and Rudy Giuliani, who held a News Conference in pennsylvania to question the states ballotcounting methods. Meanwhile, soninlaw Jared Kushner was making calls, looking for what he described as a, quote, james bakerlike figure who can lead the legal effort to dispute the tabulations in different states. According to a person briefed on the discussions. I guess that must mean Jared Kushner doesnt think Rudy Giuliani is a james bakerlike figure. Go figure. Meanwhile, Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell discounted President Trumps early attempts to falsely claim victory, telling reporters yesterday, quote, claiming you won the election is different from finishing the counting. Republican senator marco rubio of florida tweeted yesterday, taking days to count legally cast votes is not fraud. And Court Challenges to votes cast after the legal voting deadline is not suppression. A close adviser to the president , former new jersey governor chris christie, had this to say about the president s comments. I disagree with what he did tonight, and i think sarahs right, that you know, there comes a point where you have to let the process play itself out before you judge it to have been flawed. And i think by prematurely doing this, if there is a flaw in it later, he has undercut his own credibility in calling attention to that flaw. So, i think its a bad strategic decision, its a bad political decision, and its not the kind of decision you would expect someone to make tonight, who holds the position he holds. It is interesting to watch these responses come in from republicans, because i think there are Big Questions about what theyre going to do and how theyre going to handle it, if the president keeps going with this. And so far, they seem to be saying, nope, were going to wait, were going to count the votes. And of course, many of them won their seats, so if theyre undercutting the results, they may be undercutting their own standing. So, the president does not seem to have the kind of support within the Republican Party on this question as he perhaps has had on many other matters. Meanwhile, the Justice Department emailed federal prosecutors yesterday to inform them that the law authorizes them to send armed agents to ballotcounting locations to investigate potential voter fraud. According to the New York Times, the message explained that, though armed agents are prohibited by law from being stationed at the polls on election day, they could be sent to polling locations where ballots are being counted once the day is over. The email came from richard donohue, the number two official in the office of the Deputy Attorney general. He sent the message at 1 30 wednesday morning, about half an hour before the president s statement from the east room, where he falsely claimed he won the election. The times reports that former doj Officials Say the email created the specter of the federal government intimidating local Elections Officials or otherwise intervening in vote tallying. Amid calls by President Trump to end the tabulating in states where he was trailing in the president ial race. A Justice Department spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment by the times. I will just say, there is always reluctance by republicans for the federal government to have anything to do with the statefocused and controlled election process. So im interested to see how they respond to this as well. Still ahead here, while joe biden is predicting victory in the president ial race, President Trump is laying the groundwork for contesting Election Outcomes in several key battleground states. Were going to talk much more about this. But before we go to break and maybe i know the answer i want to know, we want to know, why are you awake on this thursday morning . Email your reasons to waytooearly msnbc. Com, drop me a tweet kasie, waytooearly. We will read the best answers later on in the show. Read the b later on in the show it was in this small Little Village in connemara. Right connemara it is theres one gift the whole family can share this holiday season, their story. Give the gift of discovery, with an ancestrydna kit. 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As the results continue to roll in, joe biden projecting confidence yesterday, predicting his hardfought campaign will ultimately be victorious after all the ballots are counted. Speaking from his campaigns headquarters in delaware, biden also promised that when its all said and done, hell govern without partisanship. After a long night of counting, its clear that were winning enough states to reach 270 electoral votes needed to win the presidency. Im not here to declare that weve won, but i am here to report, when the count is finished, we believe we will be the winners. There will be no blue states and red states when we win, just the United States of america. Meanwhile, President Trumps campaign manager, bill stepien, issued a statement on the race in wisconsin, saying in part, the president is well within the threshold to request a recount and will immediately do so. Theyre going to have to pay for that themselves. Joe biden narrowly won wisconsin yesterday, but according to state law, a candidate is allowed to call for a recount if the margin of victory is one percentage point or less. The request also has to be made within the window between when all county results are submitted and the following day at 5 00 p. M. Central standard time. Were learning a lot about these kind of arcane recount rules. Wisconsins former republican Governor Scott walker tweeted yesterday, after a recount in the 2016 president ial race in wisconsin, trumps numbers went up by 131 votes. And he had tweeted this early 20,000 is a high hurdle. If theres anyone that knows whether President Trump would potentially flip the results of the wisconsin outcome with a recount, its scott walker. And you know, based on everything we know about how republicans have handled this over the last four years, if there was an opportunity to change it, its likely they would seize on it. So, its really telling that walker is kind of throwing cold water on this idea that a recount could change the result for President Trump in wisconsin. President trumps campaign, meanwhile, filed lawsuits yesterday in three states where the vote count is ongoing and where the president s lead is either dwindling or gone. The campaign filed suit in pennsylvania, michigan, and georgia, and they joined existing republican legal challenges in pennsylvania and nevada, where the party is challenging the handling of some absentee ballots. The pennsylvania and michigan suits filed yesterday sought to stop the counting until Trump Campaign observers are allowed to review ballots that have already been counted. According to the New York Times, the michigan lawsuit claims secretary of state jocelyn benson, a democrat, was allowing absentee ballots to be counted without teams of bipartisan observers as well as challengers. But the Associated Press reports that observing firsthand that there are plenty of poll watchers from both parties in counting locations. Joe biden was awarded the state of michigan after the suit was filed. We projected that he was going to win that state. In addition, the president s campaign intervened at the Supreme Court in a case challenging pennsylvanias plan to count ballots received for up to three days after election day. And in georgia, the suit alleges that Chatham County is improperly counting ballots received after the states electionday deadline. The campaign is seeking a court order to remind votecounters to separate out latearriving ballots. Georgia is going to be so, so close. Joining us now, president of Community Change action, an organization that has been working to mobilize latino voters, laurela praly, Hillary Clintons National Latino vote director in 2018. Good morning. This is exactly you know, weve run through all the results. Obviously, were still waiting for a lot of those numbers. People want to hear that. But were also starting to talk about how this ultimately played out. What are the places where, you know, democrats underperformed in ways, in house races in ways they didnt expect, and these numbers among latino voters. And i kind of want to set florida aside, because we know that, you know, joe biden likely to have lost florida anyway, even if he had hit Hillary Clintons support among latino voters. The community there obviously has a specific set of concerns and the Trump Campaign focused on them in a specific way. But there are also a lot of questions about whether joe biden was reaching hispanic voters with an economic message or spending enough time simply talking to them in other states. What do you think went wrong for democrats here and what do they need to do to fix it . Well, at the top of the story is that its critical to remember that in order to reach latino voters, to turn out latino voters, you have to invest early, aggressively, and heavily. You have to make the case to latinx voters. And you know, we have the story about latino voters every cycle, and especially every four years. Its the same stories that get written about investment, about understanding that we are not a monolith, that we are actually a diverse electorate. And so, we need more people at the table making those decisions. But here is the story that is being missed in this election cycle, and especially because people are overly focused on florida and missing the Bigger Picture about latino voter turnout in this election. The path to the white house has moved through arizona in this cycle especially. The path to the white house is through michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, nevada, and maybe even georgia in the cycle. And latino voters live and make a significant part of the margin of victory in all of these states. Look at arizona. A record 700,000 latinos voted in arizona. Yeah. Led by latinas, by workingclass latinas. And that is a story that is not being told. Why and how did that happen . Ten years of organizing. Ten years of fighting back antiimmigrant policies and organizations like lucha in arizona, making that the core fight, registering latino voters. And so, i think were very present in this cycle, and weve made a significant difference on the path to the white house. I mean, it seems clear to me that thats absolutely the case. I guess my question for you is, the immigration message makes a lot of sense, especially in arizona, but across the rest of the map, democrats very hopeful about texas, and for example, latino turnout not necessarily, for biden, not necessarily where they wanted it to be. What kind of message do democrats need to focus on in terms of the economy or other areas, aside from immigration, to try to reach those voters . Oh, its absolutely bigger than immigration, right . You have to run an economic message that reaches latinas in particular. But you know, texas actually looks quite good for latina voter turnout. And if you look at a state like wisconsin, again, i just want to keep on expanding our understanding of the latino electorate, right . In 2016, only 17,000 latina voters voted early in wisconsin. This year in 2020, that is 46,000 early votes by latinos. 57 of those early votes in wisconsin, right, for the latino vote are latinas, right . Workingclass latinas who are making the difference this election. And so, the message to the democratic party, the message to future electoral campaigns, candidate campaigns, is you have to start early. And that is why groups like Community Change action invest early, do yearround organizing, ensure that trusted messengers on the ground are reaching our community and turning out latino voters and making the case. Right. You cant just be against something. You have to be for something. No, i absolutely take your point there. I absolutely take your point on the early organizing. I think the Trump Campaign would argue they went in pretty early in florida, and thats part of why they succeeded there and arizona as well. Thank you for getting up with us this morning. I appreciate your perspective. Still ahead, as americans battle fatigue from following the undecided president ial election, twitter wants a checkup on our very own Steve Kornacki. Thats coming up next in the cooler. Way too early back in just a moment. Cooler. Way too early back in just a moment one day well look back and remember the moment that things, for one strange time in our lives, got very quiet. 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Welcome back time now to gather around the water cooler for some of the things that are going to have people talking today. This one makes me feel a little bit old. Aside from learning who the next leader of the free world is going to be, we have Something Else to look forward to. Saturday night live has announced that the foo fighters will be the musical guest for the shows post election special. Its going to be the bands eighth appearance on the show, and they are celebrating get this the 25th anniversary of their debut album. The foo fighters will join comedian and host Dave Chappelle to bring us some muchneeded entertainment after a roller coaster of a week. Meanwhile, we have our own version here at msnbc of the energizer bunny. His name is, of course, Steve Kornacki. And if you have been keeping up with us here and watching the election returns, youve probably seen steve hard at work breaking down it all at the big board. He has been there all night and all day, it seems. Twitter took notice of his hard work, but everybodys pretty worried about him, including chrissy teigen. She tweeted, i honestly dont know how steves still going. Im about to die with that photo of herself on her couch. To ease concerns, we here at msnbc shared that Steve Kornacki finally took a muchdeserved break yesterday afternoon with a little help from our colleague, ali velshi, who tweeted, in the interest of preserving him for america, i will remove Steve Kornacki from tv at noon today and place him in protective custody in a room with comfy blankets, soft pillows and warm milk. Steve, we are all so grateful for your hard work. Thank you for walking us through it. Still ahead, rival protests in detroit after joe biden is projected to win a close race in battleground michigan. Congresswoman Debbie Dingell weighs in, next. Bbie dingell weighs in, next. Shingles . Dios mio. So much pain. Maria had to do everything for me. She had these awful blisters on her back. 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Make the world you want. Welcome back. Chaos ensued at the detroit vote process center yesterday as protesters from the right tried to storm the center with chants of let us in and stop the count. [ crowd chanting ] stop the count Election Officials told the group it could not enter the facility because it was at capacity. Police officers pushed back protesters as republicans claimed they were being unfairly left out, which protesters on the left disputed, because they were also being kept out of the facility. Vote challengers early on wednesday attempted to photograph or videotape the counting process, which the Detroit Free Press reports left ballot counters feeling intimidated. As a result, security papered over the windows, quote, causing challengers to bang on the glass even harder. But in spite of the chaos, the counting of detroits absentee ballots is still continuing. Joining us now, democratic congresswoman Debbie Dingell of michigan. Congresswoman, good morning. I think were all grateful that this example we just walked through in michigan seems to be a bit of an outlier, and for the most part, everything has been calm and straightforward. I mean, if you disagree, id be interested to hear anything youre getting from there. But mostly, i want to talk about the bigpicture factors here. What are you seeing across not just in michigan, but across the map, in terms of joe bidens strength or lack thereof . I mean, the house loss is frankly worse than you were expecting them to be for democrats. So, what are you thinking about as we head into this thursday after election day . First of all, its been a long week. We have to give you know, intellectually, we knew for months, we would say, its going to take a while to count the votes. I mean, weve had record turnout, just in michigan alone. We set the record for the most michiganders that have ever voted in an election and youre seeing those kinds of records across the country. We said it would take time to count those votes. Well, it is taking time, and thats leaving people uncomfortable. We have to make sure that every vote counts. We dont know whats happening in a lot of the races. Yesterday i was told yesterday morning, one of my colleagues had lost in virginia. And at the end of the day, she would won. So, weve got to be really careful to not, you know, give early results, make sure that every vote counts, and do that. When you look at what was happening calm has reigned across the country. A lot of people both sides, by the way were anticipating, or perhaps even trying to stir up some trouble. A lot of people, and i mean, a lot of people across the country worked together to ensure everybody was going to be safe, they wouldnt feel intimidated. And even, i want to be careful about talking about what happened at kobo i still call it cobo hall but yesterday, because lawsuits have been filed. But there were my understanding is that the republican challengers and poll watchers inside, democratic challengers and poll watchers inside i wasnt in there, so i have no but even on a call that i had last night, my delayed Election Night party, people that were challengers, actually both sides, had been inside, and cobo at that point was full because of covid. And you know, even to the last point about people feeling threatened by cameras i worked polls all day on election day, and cameras were the first issue i ended up dealing with at like the first ten polls because there were people taking pictures at both there were people taking pictures at both drop places and in lines. And repeatedly people did feel like they were being threatened, and it would be used against them and there are rules and laws in michigan about where pictures can be taken or not taken. Its completely understandable that would make voters feel uncomfortable. Lets talk about the house and how were going to see this country potentially governed. It seems like the messages were likely at this point to have divided government or, you know, at the very least, you know, i dont want to get too far ahead of ourselves because we have not obviously called the president ial race, but if the leads are maintained in these states and thats ultimately the outcome, the message that voters seem to have sent is its kind of a split one. I know youre someone who has argued a lot for, look, we need to demonstrate we can work across the aisle, but i also think were learning from this Election Results that americas as polarized as ever and there seems to be serious cultural divisions that, you know, the president frankly made a centerpiece of his president ial campaign. How do you reconcile those two things in the next two years . I think we dont have a choice but to reconcile. You and i were talking about this the other day, hoda made a comment about you dont see two members Work Together. Whens the last time you see it . Fred upton and i Work Together every day and i think that both parties need to do some serious soul searching about the message thats being sent to us. The American People want to see us get our work done. And weve got there are problems that need to be addressed and just keeping them from happening or keeping them from moving because the senate wants to block them is unacceptable. We dont know whos going to be president. One of the reasons i so strongly supported joe biden is that i can think of nobody better to do that. He is somebody that respects people on both sides of the aisle. He will pull people together. You find the common ground. You know, im someone that even thinks when you pass a bill and you have bipartisan support, bipartisan even the drafting of it, it gets more buyin from people across the country. So, you know, maybe im naive but i dont think im naive. I know a lot of good pieces of legislation passed over the history of this congress the history of this country with republicans and democrats working together. And i hope that thats a period of time were heading in to and im going to work on making that true. I do not think naive is a word that a lot of people would apply to you. Debbie dingell, thank you for coming on today. Great to see you. Earlier in the show we asked why are you awake . We got this email from jamie. Jonesing for my next kornacki fix. Arent we all . I fell asleep watching election coverage. Dont worry, well keep you posted. When i slept yesterday, wisconsin and michigan flipped and i dont want to miss something. Theres part of me feels that way too. Janine said, i was hoping to hear the election was called. Oh, thats a cute face. And we have a photo from this cute baby from bill who emails, im up early because this guy doesnt want to sleep. 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Sprinting past every leak in our softest, smoothest fabric. Shes confident, protected, her strength respected. Depend. The only thing stronger than us, is you. Welcome back to way too early. With a look at axios a. M. , the editorinchief, nicholas johnston. Good morning. You have some reporting this morning on i want to be careful here because nbc news still has not called the president ial race which we have been walking everybody through this morning. But the Biden Campaign already seems to be thinking about the cabinet, particularly in a divided government because we have not called control of the senate, but it is looking increasingly likely republicans will hang on to control. Yeah, todays 1 big thing how a gop control would put some limits on the biden cabinet. It looks likely gop controlled senate is also in the cards. And of course the Biden Campaign has sort of set up the transition team, the website went live yesterday. So were trying to get a sense of what theyre thinking as far as the senate control. And what i really mean is some of the more progressive hopes particularly in the cabinet, those hopes have been dashed. Two key names who would have a tough go is susan rice and Stacey Abrams who had been on our short list. But the good news, members of the senate or members of the senate now currently. Senators are very they have a great predisposition to letting their own through in a confirmation process. Senator coons of delaware, he could have smooth sailing. Another name raised for us has senator jones from alabama who lost his reelection, he could be considered in the Biden Campaign. Dont get your hopes up for senators warren and sanders, theyre deemed too progressive or too liberal. Theyre waiting for more signals from mcconnell but theyre very excited about centrist picks. No progressives or liberal wont get through the senate, and if it shakes out with biden as the president and the gop keeps the senate, kasie. Theres the issue if you pick Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren that there are republican governors that would be appointing senators. Right. In a situation where youre a democrat in control of the administration, perhaps you dont want to give Mitch Mcconnell any extra leverage than the voters have already given him. Exactly. Nicholas johnston, thank you for being with us this morning. We are still counting the votes here. The Biden Campaign increasingly optimistic that they are going to find a path to 270 Electoral College votes, but we are just not there yet. So stick with us through today. That was way too early. Thank you for getting up with us on a thursday morning. I think its thursday. The days are starting to run together but were going to be here for you all day long. Stick around because morning joe starts right now. Its clear that were winning enough states to reach 270 electoral votes needed to win the presidency. When the count is finished, we believe we will be the winners. Joe biden sounding optimistic two days after election day and the election is still undecided. Biden currently leads 253 electoral votes to Donald Trumps 214. Biden expanded his lead yesterday after winning michigan with 16 electoral votes