Citizenship for socalled d. R. E. A. M. Ers, but at a steep price. Are we headed for a deal or another shutdown. My guest this morning, Republican House leader Kevin Mccarthy and democratic senator joe manchin of West Virginia. And under attack. There is deep concern that the fbi may have been used in a political way. Ill talk to former cia director robert gates about republican efforts to delegitimize Law Enforcement institutions they once reveered. Joining me for insight and analysis are nbc news special correspondent tom brokaw, nbc news capitol hill correspondent ca kasie hunt, rich lowrie and Heather Mcghee. President of demos. Welcome to sunday, its meet the press. From nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history. This is meet the press with chuck todd. Good sunday morning. If this were a normal presidency with a state of the Union Message coming up in two days, wed likely be focusing on how the president plans to sell his agenda to the public in a critical Midterm Election year. This has not been a normal presidency. It was almost predictable that the president s trip to davos was going to be over shadowed by the story that President Trump tried to fire special counsel mueller last fall. Also predictable was President Trumps response that it was all just fake news. Whats not so predictable is what happens next. The attempted firing has prompted many questions. Who leaked the story about President Trumps intentions and why . Why was it so easy for news organizations to match the times scoop unless someone wanted this story out . Was it a sign that President Trump is again considering the dismissal of mueller . Is it a warning to him to not do it or was this a trial balloon to see if he can . And most important, will republicans in congress who once urged mr. Trump to not do this continue to hold firm on this issue . In other words, are the president s allies in congress more eager to protect Robert Mueller or President Trump . Fake news, folks. Fake news. Reporter President Trump with a predictable defense of yet another russia related allegation. Mr. Trump reportedly backed down only when white House Counsel don mcbegan thregann said the m be catastrophic. They want to include legislation protecting mueller in budget negotiations. This president has continued to say theres no there there. Well, he is acting in absolutely the opposite way of someone who had nothing to hide. Reporter publicly mr. Trump has repeatedly denied that he has considered firing mr. Mueller. I havent been giving it any thought. Ive been reading about it. No, im not dismissing anybody. Are you considering firing Robert Mueller . No, not at all. Reporter but friends have acknowledged that he has. I think hes considering perhaps preventing the special counsel. Reporter in july the president told the New York Times that mueller would cross a red line if he looked to mr. Trumps family finances. Mr. Trump said wednesday he looks forward to sitting down in an interview with special counsel. I would do it under oath. Reporter but worried mueller could be zeroing in on an obstruction of justice case, mr. Trumps allies are warning him, if he testifies, mueller could catch him in a lie. Its a very clear perjury trap. Perjury trap. Do you have any fear of a perjury trap . No, but i think it would be i think it would be foolish to, you know, not proceed without considering that possibility. Reporter and ahead of the president s potential testimony, mr. Trumps defenders on capitol hill and in the media have stepped up a months Long Campaign to discredit the fbi and the department of justice. It is abundantly clear that the entire Mueller Investigation is a lie built on a foundation of corruption. Its actually the fbi thats colluded with dnc. Its been a huge week of revelations about corruptions at the highest levels of the fbi and doj. Reporter last summer Republican Leaders warned that if the president threatened bob muellers job, they would move to protect mueller. That would be a major mistake. There will be holy hell to pay. I have a lot of confidence in bob mueller. Reporter fast forward six months and republicans have greeted these new reports with relative silence. Im here for a hearing. I dont have anything to comment on any other issues like that. There are half a Million People obsessing over these investigations and im not one of them. Joining me is republican Kevin Mccarthy. Well dock back. Thanks for having me back. Lets start with the issue of the president and Robert Mueller. Does it concern you that the president ordered his firing . The president and the staff has fully cooperated. Thats why theyre moving forward. I think well continue the investigation and see where it goes. Do you have confidence in bob mueller . Yes. 100 . I have confidence in mueller, i have questions about others within the fbi and the doj, especially whats come out in the texts, especially what its been based on. I think its the spor responsibility we have an intel committee. Thats raced a great deal of question. Is there a red line the president could cross with you in his treatment of bob mueller . The president and hisha full. Youre making hypotheticals. Its not a hypothetical. We have records that he ordered to do it and don mcgann threatened to quit if asked to carry out the order. This is a place i have not been a part of. I have not heard that. Cooperation is where we intend to end up. Theres a couple of bills in the senate, one would be having a threejudge panel review a decision if the president did fire mueller it was done on unfair grounds. Would you be open if that bill is attached to the budget bill, would you support that . Would you let that go through versus i think we should focus on the budget because the military needs funding. Why are we playing other games with other things . Lets take the issue before us. Would you support legislation to protect mueller . I dont think theres a need for legislation to protect mueller. Were raising an issue thats not. We have an issue about funding for the military. Remember this, one week ago when you were sitting here, government was shut down. Democrats believed government should be shut down. The Childrens Health insurance and others were held hostage. I think whats responsible is do the job thats before us. If theres an issue that arises, well take it up. Right now there is not an issue. Why create one if there isnt one. Do you believe there are deep statements out to get the president . I have never believed that. I have people who have been u. S. Attorneys and others, but it is a real question when somebody work the high end of the doj, wife is hired just to do research when it comes to do fusion, when somebody at the fbi looking at the texts, theyre having an affair, its not just somebody in the fbi, its somebody that was responsible in looking at the investigation when it came to Hillary Clinton, its somebody that was in this investigation that was with mueller. He didnt find it. It was the independent investigator that found it, and then when they have these questions about it, when you look at these entire checks and then why they were all lost right after the election, i think that gives anybody doubt. I have to people and now they have serious doubts. Let me ask you this in the reverse. Sure. If this were a democrat being investigated, why do i have a feeling they would be saying they seem to be so concerned about the investigators. Its almost that theyre afraid of the facts. No. The disputes seem to be about the fact finders, not the facts. Its sort of like you dont like where the facts are going so lets question its basically Johnnie Cochrans o. J. Simpson defense. No, its the complete opposite. You have never heard me have any problems with the investigation. You asked me the question by saying, mueller, yes. What happens is the facts that came forward that an individual at the doj, his wife was hired by fusion only to work on the russian portion. Low and behold you believe this is in a giant youre mabtipainting a conspiracy no, i dont. Do you want people to draw conclusion that is way . It does feel that way. I have given you no conclusion except the facts that are out there. As i said prior, i had no problems. When these facts arise, remember, were separate entities here and you have an ability and a responsibility for over sight, and i think the public has the right to know. Why was somebody that was in the middle concern about the election, concern about what happened after the election and that high up. I think that is a problem and we should look at it. Right. There is an investigation and its called the Inspector General. Why is that not enough for you right now . Let the Inspector General do their job at doj. It seems as if you guys want to supersede that investigation. We werent the one that started this. You have different investigations going on. They all have their own part of going forward. We are separate but coequal. We have a responsibility for oversight of doj and others. I dont care who was president at this time, but i want my government to be fair and open and what im seeing raises questions. We should look into the questions. Its just driven by the facts. Let the facts take them where they may and thats the responsibility that we have. This memo that now the president apparently wants released which he can do on his own. He can declassify anything he wants. Do you want him to declassify this . Look, they have been doing their investigation. They found something out. Ive gone down. Ive read it. The committee voted this is the process. They voted to allow members to read it. They have the ability to vote to move it forward. Why are they afraid to send this to the Justice Department for review . Well, arent we separate but coequal . Dont we have the responsibility for oversight . The Justice Department will be able to see it because you have the executive branch and as they look at it they will stend to the executive branch and they have the approval to declassify. Having read this memo, i think it would be appropriate that the public has full view of it. You dont believe this is somehow the president tampering with the investigation . How does this not look like this if he does . Because it has nothing to do with the president. It is the committee doing something, found something, voted as a whole. It was created based on whats happening from the cia, fbi, for members of congress to look at it. Now they can vote to have it released. Why dont you want senate bur to look at it. The Intell Committee is doing their investigation, not ours. Thats a question for devin nunez. Is the idea of wall for pathway to citizenship for d. R. E. A. M. Ers, is that one to one . Is that idea off the table that that deal cant be struck anymore . That deal was never on the table because when we had the meeting where we had bicameral senators, congress, you had the media there for an hour. We all agreed, every Single Person in the room, we would focus on four different items. Wed focus on dak at that, wed focus on merit and the president just put out a compromise by the way, do you view that as an opening bid, a start of negotiations by the white house . I view that as an opportunity to see whos willing to solve the problem. Thats up for negotiation in your mind . Well, that is talking with the president just put out there, i think its a sign that shows hes serious about solving this problem. Could that bill if you brought it on just pass the house with the republican votes . I think whatever we do is not going to pass with one party or another. If you want to do it, that bill has a lot of merit to solving the problem. Lastly, do you think this has to be done by march . Or you have until the summer . Id like to get it done as soon as possible. Is there urgency to do it until march or can this slide . I think theres urgency to get this done, unfortunately the government was shut down by schumer. They thought they wanted to take it hostage. That stopped the meetings we were having every day and so lets just back to the table and solve it. Youre asking what the president has done. Hes pushed himself. To solve this problem, were going to have to have compromise. No one will get 100 of what they want, but this solves it long term. The president went there and schumer is trying to back away. Ill have to leave it there. Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming up. Now democratic senator joe man shin joins me from West Virginia. Senator manchin, welcome back to meet the press. Good to be with you, chuck. I ended with immigration with leader mccarthy so let me start on that topic so we dont have whiplash here for viewers. Sure. Just simply the president s proposal, if that was legislation on the floor of the senate, would you vote for if. Welling, chu, chuck, its no legislation. Hypothetically saying that, we havent seen it. Weve got to decide do we go large, medium, small . 2013 we went large. The Senate Passed comprehensive immigration. It was a pathway forward. We committed 42 billion to secure the border with walls and with all other technology that was needed to truly secure america, so weve been down that road. That was large. So we have to deside what venue and what avenue that we take here, chuck. But i think its a good starting point. Weve got Susan Collins and myself as working with a Common Sense Coalition of senators equally divided. Were going to meet monday night and look at the proposal. More details will come out tomorrow. We have people with expertise. Tim tillis and james langford. I think we can find a way forward. Are you comfortable supporting a deal on this that would include permanent changes in the immigration system when only dealing with the daca population . For instance, i know some democrats say, look, you want to talk about the family migration issue and what those rules are, thats fine. Lets just do it for the daca population. Dont make changes for the entire system. Where are you on that issue . Well, thats first of all, i said this before, chuck. The immigration issue has not been a hot topic in the state of West Virginia. People are concerned and they want security and have good opportunities in jobs and on and on and on like everybody else but it has not been of high concern. I havent been on the front end of this issue. I do understand where everybodys coming from. I understand the issue. Right. And also the urgency of this. Im comfortable working with any proposal they put in either a large package or a scaled down package, chuck, but saying that, yeah, i think that we need to have an overhaul. We had an overhaul with the large immigration bill we did in 2013. Id like to see that piece of legislation taken up and voted on again. The house would never vote on this. Let me ask you this about this report that you pondered not running for reelection and you were and im just curious. Did your threat of not running for reelection convince schumer to back down on the Government Shutdown . I dont think so, no. Chuck ive said this. This whole bantering back. I dont understand that. Thats how they talk. When chuck and i talk, we talk West Virginia to new york. I said, chuck, this place sucks. If it sucks, why are you running for reelection . Because i think i can make it better. I think i can contribute to bringing people together. Im not giving up on it. I mean, this is a small price to pay for the great country ive had the privilege of living in and being an american so im not going to give up on it. I dont have one republican i dont consider not my friend. I want to work with them. If the shutdown had continued, would you have not filed for reelection . I would have been hollering. I dont think chuck had the stomach to go on. He plays a part differently and i dont understand where i understand the dynamics. The democratic caucus, thats a big at this point. I just said, i come from West Virginia. Im representing my state. Im not a washington democrat, im a West Virginia democrat. How much does the report that President Trump said he was going to fire mueller . How much does that concern you . Thats new york talk. Thats the new york language thats different than most people. How is it how is that new york talk . Im curious. I guess what youre trying to do there, but its a reelection year, i get that, you have to be antinew york and West Virginia, explain that to me. Chuck, heres the thing. A president of the United States who has been in control of his life, personally and politically. Hes been able to incentive advise through checks, bonuses, organizations, things of this sort. Now all of a sudden he understands theres equal checks and balances. Hopefully that will come. Right now what you hear him saying and what hes going to do, lets see if he moves on ros rosenstein. If he did that, you would say time to pass legislation to protect mueller . I think at that tliem will be democrats saying its time to protect the system. Absolutely. What is your level of concern by what appears to be a campaign by some supporters of the president to undermine the investigators, to go after the department of justice and the fbi so aggressively . Chuck, i i cannot believe and when i say this, no pun intended, but what congressman nun nez has nunez has done, he has neutered it from having any confidence of the american people, any confidence in the house intelligence to come out with something in a professional manner. You think anything that comes out of that House Committee is not credible . When you look at the actions and he had to remove himself and now coming back and making the a. M. Cue sayings without any vetting, on the intelligence committee, we learned to keep your mouth shut. You dont throw it out to the president and say lets let it fly and see what happens. Thats not how we work, and if you take the seriousness of that committee, i do on the intelligence senate committee, and i have i have my chairman and i have my cochairman. Right. Democrat and republican, and i respect them. And were going to come out at the end of the day and have the findings and the facts will take you where they are. I think the house has eroded that and congressman nunez has said that. Sorry about your mountaineers against kentucky. First half theyre kentucky for a reason, senator. Oh, boy. Wlrt. Appreciate it. Quick programming note. Ill join a number of my colleagues tuesday night as nbc covers the president s state of the union address. Their experience is coveted. Their leadership is instinctive. Theyre experts in things you havent heard of researchers of technologies that one day, you will. Some call them the best of the best. Some call them veterans. We call them our team. 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Through the Tuition Assistance program, every day mcdonalds helps more people go to college. Its part of our commitment to being americas best first job. Back now with the panel. Nbc news Senior Correspondent tom brokaw, Heather Mcghee and kasie hunt and rich laughrey, editor of national review. Mueller first. Tom, six months ago when the president was supposedly thinking about firing mueller, here was the reaction from some republican senators. Any effort to go after mueller could be the beginning of the end of the trump presidency. I think it would be as explosive as anything i can think single act that the president might take. We would certainly advise that step not to be taken. I think this is a man who many believe on both sides of the aisle has tremendous integrity and will do his work in a very diligent way. We have not had the same sort of reaction from republican side of the aisle. Its been much more muted saying, well, look, it didnt happen and well worry about it if it does. You heard leader mccarthy there claiming he has confidence in mueller but well, i think two things. One was, i was here for the saturday night massacre and the Nixon White House thought that was going to unleash their ability to deal with what was going on and it was another nail in the coffin. There ought to be a lesson in all of that. Did they really think at the time we look back and realize what a catastrophic error that was. They thought that was the right thing to do, that their base would support them and that the president had a legal grounds for doing what he did. In this case and the climate in which we now live, people move on in a hurry. He didnt fire him. He didnt get close to firing him because the white house was pushing back and he knew what the response was going to be on the hill. I think for the country, chuck, its a nonissue. I think that they moved on. I honestly think in the next year there will be three big factors. If it continues to go, roar on, theyll put aside the other concerns they have and say, enjoy the prosperity. The other one is, what does mueller find . Do we hear from him this year . Just down from that is what happens from immigration. Those are the three big factors in play for the country mp that. Thats theyre paying attention to. Rich, could this be a trial balloon to see if he gets away from it . Last time republican reaction was, whoa, dont do it. This time considering theyve softened the ground on mueller, its possible this was a trial balloon. I think if youre going to fire mueller you should have done it at the beginning because he has an extensive factual record now. Im with tom. Is it the most salient fact that he was thinking of firing mueller or he didnt fire mueller . Its continuing. Youre not going to get him based on impure thoughts of firing mueller. But you can get him on that on firing him. If he was going to do it, he should have fired him at the beginning. Why should he have fired mueller except to stop this investigation to find out if theres been criminal wrongdoing . I mean, its kind of shocking to me that we continue to play this partisan game when there are real questions of national sovereignty, real questions of who meddled into our election and what they were driven by and what they have on members of the trump family. This i feel like we are going to look back in 10, 20 years and be really disgusted by the way in which all of this was made hyper partisan and the way in which the represent karn party put party over your interview at length, chuck. Why is that memo important . Its because it potentially undermines the credibility of bob mueller. I think that it does speak to this. He is still in his job and clearly republicans feel as though the best way to potentially mitigate the effects of whatever it is he finds is not necessarily to fire the special counsel because that would blow up but to very carefully convince them that this entire thing is a charade and thats dangerous. We should focus on what we know and what we dont know. The president hates this investigation, he hates everyone involved in it and who enabled it. What we dont know is why. Maybe he is covering up some terrible collusion. I think we do to a certain extent know why. This is somebody who has been obsessed since day one about this idea that he didnt maybe actually beat Hillary Clinton. Every single anything that contributes to perception that he did not win the election, that he did not win it in an Electoral College landslide, how many times have we heard that from this president. Every day thats what this investigation represents. Lets remember the things weve seen him in plain site. The thing out there is him looking into the camera and saying, russia, get the emails. Setting up meetings with russian contacts about hillarys emails. At minimum thats a violation of Campaign Finance law. Trying to seek out something of value to a foreign entity. In the final analysis we have to wait and hear what mr. Mueller has to say. What are the bill of particulars that hes going to bring to the american people. You have to remember hes already turned seven people . There singing his heart out. I think what we have to keep in mind is exactly that. Lets deal with the facts as they come before us and what were able to find out from mr. Mueller and all this other speculation, we can do that until the cows come home as they say in the rural part of america, but the fact is let us hear what, in fact, the special prosecutor has to say about what hes found. That was West Virginia talk there. Was that . Yeah. I have to get your guys reaction to the joe manchin interview. You had a stinging reaction . It was a strange moment. You were asking basic guess his opinions and he was being elusive saying it was new york talk. The fundamental question about the issues around the presidency. Democrats particularly, but all members of congress and the elected leaders of the country need to have coverage and politician you cover a lot of joe manchin. Yeah, i do. I talk to him regularly and know him fairly well. Do you want a democrat to hold a seat in West Virginia or not . Joe manchin is the only one available. Im going to pause it there. We have some immy kbrags issues. I promise well come to that. President trump and his allies. Ill talk to robert gates and the former head of the cia agency when we come back. Agency when we come back. Meet the press is ronoh really . Gs going on at schwab. Thank you clients . Well jd power did just rank them highest in Investor Satisfaction with full Service Brokerage firms. Again. And online equity trades are only 4. 95. 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There was a time when institutions like the Justice Department, the fbi and the cia were defended by conservatives and distrusted by liberals. Well, not so much right now. Among the themes of the Trump Administration and its allies on capitol hill, the conservative Media Echo Chamber has been the relentless criticism of federal Law Enforcement. We have an informant whos talking about a group that were Holding Secret meetings off site. There is so much suspicion. Boy, i think it was disgraceful. Disgraceful that the intelligence agencies allowed any information that turned out to be so false and fake. Thats something that nazi germany would have done and did do. Our republic is in jeopardy if we allow this type of palace coup environment to continue to persist. Yesterday i had the chance to talk to a member in Good Standing of the socalled deep state. Robert gates has been who he had of the cia and the secretary of defense. You dont get better deep state credentials than that, i guess. Anyway, i began by asking him about his reaction to what has been increasingly harsh tone republicans have taken. I obviously have a bias having spent my life in these institutions, and i would say that i think its disappointing. I think that theyre very important for American National security. We have over sight committees in the congress in both houses that are were created specifically to maintain over sight of the intelligence agencies and the fbi, and if people think that there is something wrong going on, those are the proper vehicles to investigate and to come to conclusions that reassure the american people. One of the reasons i was always an advocate for congressional oversight is that is how we can insuran ensure agents how difficult is it to mess it up . If you have a rotten apple, you have somebody go rogue on you, it can obviously do real damage. It takes a long time to repair that so thats why internal discipline is so important inside these agencies. I want to put up something that Chuck Schumer tweeted, the Senate Democratic leader. He said this of these republican attacks. The republican attacks on the credibility of the fbi and doj are playing right into putins hands. They constitute an attack on democracy itself. Is the minority leader being hyp hyperbolic or do you agree with his assessment . Lets just say, ive had the experience of these kinds of attacks coming from both sides of the aisle. Yes, you have. This is not striekt particul that. If they go rogue themselves outside of the discipline and the order of the committee, then that creates a problem both for the agencies but also in terms of the credibility of the congress. When you hear the words deep state, does it exist . There is a sense that there is these kabal of democrats that have been there forever. People would say youve been unelected so you must be the chief. So i as the director and Deputy Director of cia lets just say i was exposed to more than a few conspiracy theories. One reason they could never succeed is because everybody in this town leaks. The idea that you could have some kind of kabal to organize or control the government in some way and have it not leak or somebody go sell the story to a magazine or book publisher doesnt comport with reality. But it really does seem to be seeping in the mainstream. This was Rush Limbaugh this week. Listen to this. What if the quote, unquote, Intelligence Community misrepresented on purpose the degree to which hussein had wmds because, ill tell you, it was a very, very embarrassing moment. So if i get this right, the conspiracy now, its not just to up end President Trump but it goes all the way back to wmds. Rush limbaugh has a lot of pull. The reality is, intelligence folks do get it wrong sometimes and they did get it wrong with weapons of mass destruction in iraq. The interesting thing people dont pay much attention to is every other agency got it wrong. A former acting c director and then he said bipartisan veterans or nonpartisan veterans, for most of us throughout our careers we maintained a neutrality. But if you have a genuine conviction that the country is endangered, you cant help but speak out about it. Do you feel that dilemma . I think that people who have been in these positions, and i would include retired military, need to be very careful in terms of political commentary because you can be looked upon as representing that institution, not just yourself. So i think i think people who have occupied senior positions in the Intelligence Community, in the military and others need to be very cautious about getting involved in the political process. Bob mueller, you worked with him when he was head of the fbi. What do you make of the president s attacks on him . Do you have confidence in bob mule sfler and if he we muell . Hes extraordinary character and i cant think of anybody who would do a more honest and standup job of conducting an investigation and, you know, people need to be prepared that a guy like bob mueller may come to a different conclusion that will elate some people and anger some people. But i think hes i think i have total confidence in him. Do you think congress should do whatever it could to protect him if the president decided to fire him . This is tough because it is an executive branch appointment. I dont know how the Congress Extends an umbrella. It is an executive branch appointment. I would say this. I think that the one thing that can be done is to try and figure out how to make it clear the magnitude of the political costs that would be incurred should he be fired. If you want to hear more of my interview with secretary gates including his thoughts on russia, china, the cia and spies in america, that was a little bit of the College Sports scene, download 1947 on apple podcast. 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So who right now thinks government should do more . Well, in this case its almost everyone. Majorities of every single age group we measured. Majority of women, whites, africanamericans, and latin americans. Plus democrats and republicans. It cuts across all age groups. So whos opposed . Republicans. Trump voters and white men without a degree all say government does too much. It may not be surprising advocating for Smaller Government has been a corner stone of republican politics. This is the base of the gop game. As mid terms approach, we live in diverse places that arent just democratic or republican, theyre a mix. Guess what, 51 of respondents that live in republican held districts say governments should do more to solve problems. That may be the number of people who want government to do more, its simply the result of having a republican in office for a year. Its just like when a democrat was in the office for a year, they moved to the less government. 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[ click, keyboard clacking ] [ keyboard clacking ] [ click, keyboard clacking ] good questions lead to good answers. Our advisors can help you find both. Talk to one today and see why were bullish on the future. Yours. Back now with end game. So the immigration deal, is this harder for conservatives to swallow . Is this harder for liberals to swallow . Rich lowrie, let me ask you about the right. Heres what Top Senate Candidates said about the president s proposal that would give citizenship for Daca Recipients. Chris mcdaniel, a potential mississippi candidate, amnesty would invite more illegals. Cory stewart, im not happy about it. Danny tartanian, i dont believe we should grant citizenship to people who come here illegally. If youre a conservative candidate in a primary, youre criticizing the president s deal. Does that doom the deal . I dont think it necessarily does doom it. It does go to the fact that this is a genuine effort to find something that could get 60 votes in the senate. The concession on the dreamers side is significant. Its going from 700,000 Daca Recipients to 2 million d. R. E. A. M. Ers. If you look at the other side of the legislature, the border, reforms to the legal system, if it passes this would be the most significant victory for immigration hawks in at least a generation. Heather, take it from the other side here. A lot of immigration advocates who believe the permanent changes are just too much of a price to pay. Well, theyre a huge price to pay. It would affect legal immigration, which is not something that theres any kind of consensus that needs to be changed. The principal of family reunification is something thats ee norm moisly popular in this country. I have to wonder how many people in this town would be here if it werent for that principle that families should remain together. Is there a definition of family unification that says, you know, its children under 18, parents and thats it . Is that something that democrats could support . If i were here working and im a legal immigrant and my mother is sick at home, i want to be able to bring her here. This is the kind of values conversation that i dont think republicans want to be having. Theyre trying to distract from their pro corporate agenda. Theyre trying to pit struggling white families from families of color. Its a short term gain. Will democrats support it . I dont think so. Tom . We have to build a wall. We have to build a 45 billion wall along the border. I dont know anyone who believes that that is viable or exercisable, that you can get it done and it will have a big impact. They ought to be looking at other ways to stop illegal immigration. Ive been down to that border a lot. There are parts of it where you cant build a wall frankly. I was down there close to the mexican border, we found camp sites. Theyre coming here because of the jobs that are here. Theyre not coming here to create mayhem. They come here because theres a market for drugs. Just one other thing if i can, i think that the people who are here already who are showing up and demonstrating should change their tactics a little bit. Theyre saying in effect were here, were going to stay and you have to take us on our terms. Thats in effect what their signs are saying and then out there theres a lot of unspoken concern about the browning of america. Race is a big, big part of this, chuck. Yes, it is. Whats real on the hill . This president s proposal, is it dead on arrival or not . Im not sure that its dead necessarily, but i dont think that the wall is going to be the issue. I think that what heather was talking about is the problem. The question is is can they make enough adjustments where you can bring nine or ten democrats on board. I dont have a good answer on that. Joe manchin suggested they want a chance to come up with their own plan that they can put to Mitch Mcconnell and try and convince him that should be the starting point. I feel like this smells that it could get punted even farther along. Probably. Joe manchin talked about going big, medium and small. The white house proposal is medium. Go small. Codify daca. Not a path to citizenship in exchange for the border provisions. All right. There was the reckoning, i guess is the best way to describe it, reckoning at the u. S. A. Gymnastics, reckoning with the u. S. A. Gymnastics. Theres been more reckoning with Hillary Clinton, a little bit of a story in the times that in 2008 that somebody was accused of sexual harassment. Campaign manager wanted to fire this person, herman cain stepped up and said no. Rich marcus just eviscerates hrk on this. Heather said, i think youre right. I think ruth marcus is right. She should have admitted that it was a mistake. Hillary clinton has a very difficult history of men in power abusing their position in terms of sexual abuse and harassment. I think that the hillary our desire to bring Hillary Clinton continually into the story is understandable. I think the bigger story right now is obviously whats going on in the u. S. Olympic committee. Yes. I think the steve wynn story is a huge story. Absolutely. Some are terrifying. Steve wynn feels like the closest thing weve gotten to harvey wine steeb. Its worse in some ways. It is. Harvey is in a class by himself, i think, but steve wynn is worse. He owns a casino, people rely on him coming into private spaces with him and face assault. I see very straightforward paraless. Can i add one thing to what we were saying about Hillary Clinton. Theyre trying to find examples of harassment and exploiting those. I have talked to a lot of women who work inside Democratic Politics and i think their message to people who would do that is dont you dare. This is a problem that spans both parties. I have heard plenty of stories. This is a pox on everybodys house and it needs to be cleaned up. My big issue with it, i think its well overdue, frankly, to have the kind of disclosure that were seeing, but there has to be some kind of codification, the difference between Harvey Weinstein and steve wynn and other people at the other end who are getting the same front page treatment, for example. Right. Dont have a chance to speak out, dont get to the people that are making it. Its all tabloid fodder and thats not good for the country. It is and unfortunately i have to leave the conversation there because we are out of time. That is all we have for this week. Thank you as always for taking some time to tune in with us on a sunday morning. Well be back next week because if its sunday, its meet the press. Nbc 10 championship. For the first time in 13 years, the eagles are headed for the super bowl and a rematch with the new England Patriots in super bowl lii. Pack your bags. Were going to minneapolis. And today is the day the eagles do leave for minneapolis. This is a live look at the novacare complex in south philadelphia where the team will soon depart for their journey to super bowl lii. Hopefully the next time theyre back here, theyll be holding the coveted Vince Lombardi trophy. The eagles are flying