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altogether, the industry supports over 9 million jobs nationwide. these are jobs that natural gas is helping make happen, all while reducing america's emissions. energy lives here. as you know, alongside the first public trump russia hearings in the house monday morning, in the senate monday morning will be the first supreme court nomination hearings for neil gorsuch. to get ready for those gorsuch hearings, sunday night 5:00 p.m. eastern, a special look at go such and those hearings hosted by ari melbur. you should watch this. he's sitting in for lawrence because he works too much. thank you. >> thank you for the plug. as for working too much, the old saying, look who's talking. >> i feel it. thanks. >> have a great weekend. donald trump has doubled down on his unsubstantiated accusation that president obama done in this office, in 50 days. >> trump has done more in office the way a toddler helps out in the kitchen. >> health care! health care for all! health care for all! >> it's hard for most people to run away from their problems, because problems have a way of running with you. that's what donald trump found today as he tried to run away from his domestic problems by focusing on foreign affairs. but that just put a global spotlight on trump's struggle to explain his baseless accusation that obama wiretapped him, a performance that has shown trump blustering, then nervous, now full of righteous blame as he pretends his accusation was from other people. >> are there from time to time tweets that you regret in hindsight? >> very seldom. we said nothing. all we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind who was the one responsible for saying that on television. i didn't make an opinion on it, that was a statement made by a very talented lawyer on fox. and so you shouldn't be talking to me, you should be talking to fox. >> so trump's new defense of his discredited claim that is it's not his claim. he didn't make an opinion on it, except then he did. again, in the same presser, suggesting that the premise that the u.s. surveilled him was still operative, just like he claims it surveilled angela merkel in 2013. >> as far as wiretapping, i guess by this past administration, at least we have something in common, perhaps. >> perhaps. that's actually not true. while it was revealed that the u.s. did snoop on merkel's cell phone for a time, there is, of course, no evidence to support trump's claim that he was specifically targeting for wiretaps. all the latest news only reinforces that. intel committee leaders in both parties rebutting trump. today we can report nbc news documenting that trump's own justice department provided materials to those committees and they do not support trump's claims. also the same doj confirming today that it had, quote, complied with those congressional requests for proof. here's the bottom line right now. there are only two types of government sources on this story. those who have rebutted trump completely, and those who haven't spoken yet. the first category includes virtually everyone in a position to know, while the second category includes one man holding his rhetorical fire, fbi director james comey, who will testify before congress on monday, a hearing that may even overshadow president trump's preferred monday headline, those hearings for his supreme court nominee. the old theory was that all of this type of stuff, these trump tweets, were clever distractions, deft moves of political chess to avoid negative headlines. but this has become the negative headline. it doesn't look like political chess. it looks increasingly like a game of political russian roulette with trump taking reckless shots that can easily wound his own administration. the record shows that's what sean spicer thought when he tried to muzzle trump and shut down this story, that was two weeks ago, when he first responded to the wiretap tweet by telling reporters," neither the white house nor the president will comment further on the issue until congress looks into it." that statement proved inoperative because trump keeps commenting. and that ensures he keeps taking his problems with him wherever he goes. joining me now is jonathan finer, former chief of staff to secretary of state john kerry, a contributor to "foreign policy" magazine. evan siegfried, author of "gop gsp." dared corn, washington bureau chief for "mother jones," msnbc political analyst. david, the record is voluminous. the record shows this claim of wiretap is false. >> well, of course it does. and it's also true that the justice department has no evidence that there's an easter bunny and there's no evidence that barack obama mugged donald trump in the streets of new york in 1987. he just says stuff. sometimes it pops into his head, sometimes it comes from breitbart. today it came from fox, from a guy he called a very talented legal mind who happens to be a 9/11 truther, andrew napolitano. and when trump gets caught head he says, well, it wasn't me. i'm just the president here. you should go after fox. he's essentially saying, they report, we repeat. that's it. he doesn't feel that he has any obligation to vet anything that he says or tweets, and you almost, you don't but you almost have to feel sorry for the sean spicers, kellyanne conways, who are people who know better but pretend they don't. >> that's become part of their job is to pretend otherwise. the wiretapping story causing international problems with sean spicer citing that debunked report claiming that britain's intelligence services wiretapped him as well. jonathan, unpack that for us. >> yes. so look, i think that the president hit an unbelievably negative trifecta in his press availability with chancellor merkel today. one, he reopened the wound with the uk that his team had tried to clean up earlier in the morning by again asserting they had wiretapped him when we all know that's not the case. he also drag the chancellor and the german government into this fray, which i'm sure was the last thing they wanted when they're trying to build a relationship with the united states. >> we didn't book a body language expert, but she didn't look "into it," didn't look like she liked it. >> the third piece, in some ways the most troubling, he further drew down his own eroding credibility. there's going to be a time the president faces a crisis that's not of his making and he'll need credibility to go to allies and the country and say, trust me, this is what is happening and this is what we need to do. he's undermining his ability to build that up trust. >> take a listen to donald trump trying to say that this all comes back to whether or not he used scare quotes. >> when i say wiretap, those words were in quotes. that really covers. because wiretapping is pretty old-fashioned stuff. that really covers fail lasurve and many other things. nobody ever talks about the fact that it was in quotes. we have it before the committee and we will be submitting things before the committee very soon that hasn't been submitted as of yet. it's potentially a very serious situation. >> so all we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind who was the one responsible for saying that on television. i didn't make an opinion on it. that was a statement made by a very talented lawyer on fox. >> you see that msnbc fact check on each of those claims. these are falsehoods that he seems to think will still work with somebody? >> they'll work with his base, who will buy anything he sells. but it's not factually true. every single organization that is said it's not true. and it's distracting. and the fact that the president of the united states has gone out and basically thrown -- said the buck stops somewhere over there, not with me, like harry truman said, is very disturbing. the president of the united states is also accidentally admitting that if anybody puts something in front of him, he's going to believe it. so if i tell him i'm the creator of "ses street" and he's now going to believe it. as republican, i'm very concerned by that. we have in one day, as jonathan mentioned, upset our closest ally, and one of the closest allies we'll need, especially in the fight on isis, as well as to deal with the refugee crisis that's going on in syria. i don't understand how today was a productive day. and throwing somebody else under the bus and not taking personal responsibility and saying i'm sorry, i messed up, that's not presidential. and that's not something we need in a leader. >> david, there are larger politics on that. evan brings up "sesame street." this is like when they were always telling big burden snuffle lup does was around the corner, eventually big period didn't believe it. there's a credibility analogy but i don't want to stretch it too far. i want you to listen to tom cole, republican, talking about what should happen next. it's all well and good to say, donald trump does this and his base likes it and that's the end of the story. it's not the end of the story. he's a flue new president. here's a republican saying what should be done. >> frankly, unless you can produce some pretty compelling proof, i think the president, you know, president obama is owed an apology in that regard. because if he didn't do it, we shouldn't be reckless in accusations that he did. >> david? >> well, that's at the very least. i don't think we'll ever see donald trump apologize for everything. he has said, he was asked during the campaign, have you ever gretted ything, have you ever had to apologize? and he said, eh, after 70 years, no. so there will be no apology. this is a fellow who can never concede really doing anything wrong from his bankruptcies to his lies. it doesn't matter. i do think jonathan finer's point from early on is the dead-on thing. right now we have rex tillerson and others talking about going to war with north korea and jonathan's right. one day the president will have to say, listen, we have intelligence saying this or that, and because of that we took military action. and how can you believe donald trump on anything? that intelligence could be something that he heard on alex jones' radio show that morning. this is a guy who can't tell the difference between real facts, alternative facts, and things he just makes up. >> i mean, look, i obviously agree with that and i think one of the big problems that we have right now is there are too few people with credibility on these issues who are speaking on behalf of the united states. that starts frankly with the secretary of state, rex tillerson, who thankfully has now started allowing briefings to be conducted from the state department. we didn't have any between roughly january 19th and march 6th. he's finally started to answer some questions of his own in a press availability in asia. but what we need is policy statements. speeches. public diplomacy conducted by people other than the president and the press secretary who i don't think are the best face for america to the world right now on these issues. >> david, on the confirmation of all of this, in court, lawyers never want to ask a question they don't know the answer to. because you end up looking really stupid. and here is donald trump out there not prepared and says, just go ask fox news. the folks at fox news he talks to all the time. his staff talks to them, he t k talks to tucker carlson. he could have checked this out, he clearly didn't. after saying that here's what happened. shep smith. >> fox news cannot confirm judge napolitano's commentary. fox news kws of no evidence of any kind that the now-president of the united states was surveilled at any time in any way, full stop. >> full stop, david. >> well, you know. kudos to shep smith and others at fox who don't want to be tarred by donald trump's lies. as much as others on the network have enabled him. and we can never forget, ari, i know you don't, that this was a guy who for three years ran around saying, i have evidence that the president wasn't born in hawaii! i have my investigators! you can't believe what they're reporting to me, you can't believe the information i'm seeing, information that we never saw. that even didn't make to it newsm newsmax. so this is a fellow who again and again commits the same crime. we shouldn't be surprised. and it's too bad that so many people have fallen for it. and now you see a lot of republicans, tom cole is an exception, who still try to apologize for this. or at least pretend it's not a very serious matter. >> david, i think you may have just coined a new standard. the "not even newsmax will touch it" standard for those who follow newsmax.com. >> this isn't just on foreign policy, we've seen a pattern with the president since he took office where he'll say or do something and make a promise he won't uphold. how is that going to help him negotiating with congress over passing legislation and trying to strong arm them into passing the affordable health care act thursday in the house when he goes back on his word? he did it last weekend with preet bharara. blaming other people and saying, it was in scare quotes. i don't understand from the republicans i've spoken to on the hill, they are nervous, they don't think he can keep his word. you need to have that as a president of the united states. >> absolutely. jonathan finer, david corn, evan, thank you so much. coming up, president trump says the health care bill, going grate great! another republican senator saying it's doa. later, a look at the cost of brinksmanship in trump's foreign policy. had. the classes, the friends, the independence. and since we planned for it, that student debt is the one experience, i'm glad she'll miss when you have the right financial advisor, life can be brilliant. ameriprise politics, and trump's travel ban? i'm excited to tell you i am anchoring a two-hour special on that confirmation fight on the eve of the hearings, sunday, 5:00 p.m. eastern, joined by senators on the judiciary committee, leaders at naacp and planned parenthood, conservative legal scholars, a former clerk to judge gorsuch. i'd like to tnk it's the ultimate pregame for coirmation day. i hope you all will tune in. i hope you'll keep it locked here on "the last word." next we're reporting on that story, trump saying the health care bill is all coming together, now a key republican senator saying he won't even vote for it. my belly pain and constipation? i could build a small city with all the over-the-counter products i've used. enough! i've tried enough laxatives to cover the eastern seaboard. i've climbed a mount everest of fiber. probiotics? enough! 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[ crowd yelling ] >> health care for all! health care for all! health care for all! health care for all! health care for all! >> that's the grass roots. here's the quote of the senator, to give her her due. senator ens telling "the des moines register," after that health care town hall i can't say whether i support it or i don't support it, this republican bill. we have to know how it's going to impact iowa families. we were able to hear some of that today. >> i'm a conservative and i didn't like obamacare, i didn't think it should go in. but now affordable health coverage is a right. people don't like when it you try and take away a right. be you on the right or the left. when you actually look at what's in this bill and what it does, it takes a top-down approach which most conservatives massively object to. giving a family of four a $4,000 tax credit no matter where they are. family in southwest pennsylvania under obamacare now gets under obamacare $11,000 paid toward insurance. in this proposal it's $4,000. areas in appalachia have talked about donald trump, donald trump has talked about an opioid epidemic, this bill allows people to impose a cap on coverage, be it treatment for addiction, mental illness, or chemotherapy. they could yank the needle out of your arm. >> you're basically saying this bill isn't good for the working class, white or not white? >> it's not good for anyone. i don't think i've seen a health care bill like this unite both republicans and democrats in opposition, but it's for differt reasons. >> so i think evan's making a critical point that has kind of gotten lost in the mix because we've been focused on the republican plan. and the point is, obamacare has created a baseline. it is a new baseline that it is going to be extremely hard to come in this far under. if you had a bill that sort of tweaked things away in a way that the cbo said might be a little worse, maybe you could bend yourself into believing that this could really meet that baseline. but what 37 come up with is miles below the baseline. it's losing republicans, senators, governors, and members of the house. >> to that point, look at republican governor case trick ohio, hutchison in arkansas, snyder in michigan, and sandoval, who wrote this letter to mitch mcconnell and paul ryan. they say, look, this bill provides almost no flexibility for states and doesn't assure the resources necessary to make sure no one's left out and shifts significant new costs to states. it's one thing to have a libertarian ideology, another thing to say, we have an obligation as governors do day to day to make this work. >> yeah, i think that you're seeing governors recognize this is going to be an unsustainable budget crunch in ohio and throughout the country. especially in michigan. and i think we're seeing a lot of people recoil. this bill is a very bad bill. theresident has married himself to it and is refusing to divorce it, the fst te he's ever refused to divorce anything. so we're seeing the president of the united states, who didn't even get in this bill what he wanted, which was eliminating state lines, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do to create competition that even democrats could get behind. and nobody loves it. the only thing that is actually good, and it's only good for millennials, are the health savings accounts because they're the most fiscally conservative generation and they save. >> evan is a very nice guy, a nice country club republican. when he's busting out a sick burn like that, you know he's clearly passionate. final word to you on the road ahead. if this is the only thing, which is what paul ryan says, and this can't get through the senate by the rough count, then what? >> then probably what happens is all those people, all those hard-right republicans and donald trump who ran on replacing obamacare, go back to their districts and say, we tried, folks, but that damn senate won't let us do it. and it goes back to business as usual. that doernsn't mean obamacare i out of the woods. once this government stops supporting the measure, it's obviously going to be harder to sustain. but obamacare may be in better shape than many of us thought it was on election night. >> yeah. it is an extraordinary set of developments and it seems to relate in part to the white house's choice or inability to actually do detailed negotiating even though we've heard a lot about -- briefly, jared. >> never underestimate how lousy this white house is at governing thus far. >> so you're not accusing the administration of competence? >> you said it better and quicker than i could. which is a skill. jared bernstein, evan siegfried, thanks for joining, appreciate it. coming up, this is a whole other story. donald trump's top diplomat saying all options, including military force, now on the table if north korea doesn't back off and denuclearize. the last time the u.s. was on this brink with north korea was back during the clinton presidency. i'll talk to the lead negotiator of the deal that averted what some feared a war with north korea, straight ahead. how to win at business. step one: ask the presenter to "go back a slide." well played. you just tossed a mind grenade into into your colleagues' dulled senses. look at them, "what did i miss?" he one-upped me once again. step two: choose la quinta. and your la quinta reward points can be redeemed for everyday purchases on the go so you can win at business. learn more at lq.com today. 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is it normal or different? >> ari, it may have been normal in the sense that there's nothing new, there's no news. if all the secretary meant was that all options are on the table when we consider what to do about north kea and a policy review, then he's said what other admintratns have said in this context and others. if all he meant, if all he meant was that if north korea was about to strike one of our treaty allies, republic of korea or japan, or the united states of america, that in that case we would feel free to preempt that strike, that's still nothing new. we would expect nothing less from our president. however, if he meant something else, if he meant that we were not going to allow that north koreans to develop an intercontinental ballistic missile that could be mated with a nuclear weapon, if they went to test such a missile -- not attack but test such a missile -- we would contemplate at least striking it, striking north korea to destroy that missile, that would be new. that wouldn't be a preemptive strike that would be preventive war. >> ambassador, this is diplomatic speech. are you saying it was vague and open to those interpretations? if so, was it strategically vague? >> i think it was vague. and i don't know whether it was strategic, whether the secretary intended to leave that ambiguity there. i simply don't know. i do know, though, that one should not expect, we should not expect, the united states should not expect to strike north korea kin netcally with a military strike and have no response from north korea. that means we would have to be ready for military engagement, for war. and so would our allies in japan and south korea. >> what about president trump's belief that on this, like on trade issues, china can be bent in some way? >> we have had a theory of dealing with north korea by going to beijing and having the principal supporter of north korea use its influence in pyongyang to bring the north koreans around. that we tried in the clinton administration. it has bn tried in the bush administrati, the obama administration. and is every reason why we should keep trying. this is something of a chinese phenomenon in that sanctions are limited in their impact because china makes sure they're limited in their impact. but going to china is not really a policy. it is something that should be part of an overall approach to north korea, but we shouldn't expect now it will start working where before it hadn't. >> ambassador and professor robert ga lucci, thank you for your guidance and expertise tonight. >> thank you. coming up, the trump white house wanted to make sure everyone read the positive coverage in "the washington post" about its budget. it included the link at the top of an e-mail to reporters. but there was a really embarrassing problem. that's next. for my constipation, my doctor recommended sale ends march 20th. one new gnc bounty is more absorbent,mom" per roll so the roll can last 50% longer than the leading ordinary brand. so you get more "life" per roll. bounty, the quicker picker upper i did active duty 11 years.my in july of '98. and two in the reserves. our 18 year old was in an accident. when i call usaa it was that voice asking me, "is your daughter ok?" that's where i felt relief. it actually helped to know that somebody else cared and wanted make sure that i was okay. that was really great. we're the rivera family, and we will be with usaa for life. usaa. we know what it means to serve. call today to talk about your insurance needs. why pause a spontaneous moment? 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i am a human child, no the a costly fighter jet. well, you may not survive. but that is because you are soft and weak! something this budget is designed to eliminate. now, that already has since been removed from the online version of the white house's daily newsletter. here for more on all things budget and trump, selena maxwell, director of progressive programming for sirius xm and former official with the hillary clinton campaign, erin gloria, "the daily beast." is this a mistake anyone could make? anyone's friend, mom, dad, brother, could post something having not read it. >> slure, absolutely. but i'm glad they're not the president of the united states. i think the sort of person who doesn't take care to read past the deadline is not the sort of person you want in charge of anything important. >> of anything, yeah. >> but here we are. especially when it's something as consequential as the budget. you have an anti-poverty budget that's really going to impact people in their real lives. and so you want a white house who's going to pay attention to the details. and they didn't do that here. >> let me give you an article headline you don't have to read because it matches the content of the article. "the new york daily news," one of our hometown tabloids, they make it pretty clear. "trump budget axes terror funds." they call it "madness." you see that provocative cover. they say nypd security aid slashed, mayor saying the president's putting us in the crosshairs. and nypd chief who doesn't do a ton of national politicking also just put out online the statement, how do you say you're pro-cop and anti-terror, and you slash us completely? >> i mean, i think that the president and his administration talk all the time about how we need to keep americans safe. but this demonstrates that they aren't putting any meat on the bones of their rhetoric in terms of policies that would actually go to do that. they put forward a muslim ban which has been knocked down again by the courts. so i think they're going to have to come up with some more detailed strategies on how to actually combat terrorism that aren't banning an entire religion from entering the country. >> to take it seriously, is the president counting on the fact that cops in new york won't read the daily news or listen to their chief? at what point do they say, oh, he campaigned on being for us, and it's not like a 5% haircut, it's the federal government b e bailing on the police department in obviously one of the largest terror targets in the country. >> there's a range of possibilities between these extremes. a, it could be it was an oversight, that maybe somebody got a little bit too happy with the pen and crossed something out they shouldn't have crossed out. they did tweet out an article that was a satirical takedown of their budget as praise, so it is possible somebody made a mistake. also, there's part of my brain that sees trump as sort of somebody that's driven by fear and spite. and it seems as though he's really hated in his hometown of new york city. across all different types of people. it doesn't seem that out of line to me to imagine he'd be somebody that maybe doesn't care as much about new york city because they haven't cared about him. >> that it's all about where he's getting the love. >> right. as jay-z would say, either love me or leave me alone. if he's not feeling the love, it may not be there. listen to tom cole from the budget committee talking about how these budgets work. to be clear to viewers as folks probably know, this is the beginning, not the end, and congress makes a lot more decisions. >> budgets are all tradeoffs. in the end, the president proposes a budget, he did exactly what he's required to do by law. but congress has to work through it. i would actually be tougher on congress here. i'd be tough on the president too. >> how about that? sometimes it is a trump-fixated world, i'm fully guilty as a member of the media being sometimes a part of that. but this is the congress' constitutional responsibility. they're going to have to decide whether they see this as a blueprint, or say wow, too hard to square, even budget hawks say you can't cut 30% out in one year and expect things to work. >> i think this is going to be an interesting test for congress at republicans to see if they're going to oppose things that the president's putting forward. i think in terms of budgets, budgets are moral documents. budgets set the -- essentially tell the country what your priorities are, which groups of americans are priorities for your administration. in this administration and this document that came out, it's clear that poor people, elderly people, people of color, are not high up on the list of the trump administration's priorities. now that may or may not be true for congressional republicans who have to run every two years in the house, every six years in the senate. they have a different calculus. >> you make a great point, it comes back to choices. i will end with a quick excerpt from that satire article. there are arts cuts. the article explained the n. amendment, national endowment for the arts, will be destroyed but replaced with an armored helicopter with a shark painted on it, which is art. that's art too. we'll take a quick break. on monday we're going to hear from fbi director james comey as i mentioned. for the first time in public remarks about russia's interference in the 2016 election and any related investigations. he's also of course going to be asked about trump's claim that he was personally wiretapped by barack obama and any attendant proof. the panel weighs in after the break. 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>> no, i don't think so. i think he's going to have a tough time, one, because he's never held elected office so understanding how politics works just in a really basic level is going to be -- it's been difficult for him, it will continue to be difficult for him. but also, you just can't strongarm your way to passing a legislative agenda. that's not how this works. and the guy who sold trump university to people and stole their money should -- he's not the one that i'm going to believe when he's saying, you're going to like this plan, trump care's going to save you so much money. i don't believe him. >> you're saying he stole the money in fairness, he did give $25 million of it back when he was forced to in court. >> right. i mean, listen. >> if you're going to be fair. >> yeah, totally, thank you for being fair, ari. >> i think, like i was saying, i think that donald trump can't say something when people are experiencing something else. like their reality is going to "trump" his words. and what's also interesting is that donald trump's idea that he can kind of strongman his way through things. it's really an extension of how he's always operated as this extremely masculine, aggressive, flashy person. and that's not something that outwardly manifested as a way to run the country. >> it may have been popular in certain parts of the country so everybody goes, oh, people like this. the question now is whether people like the results as a governing strategy. we're just 7 1/2 weeks in. we'll see what the results are, it's just our job to report them. coming up, the last word of the week which is kind of sort of related to that video right there. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me. to take advantage of this offer on a volvo s90, visit your local dealer. 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Alex Witt hosts coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. when a meeting of that nature, would it constitute a violation of the law? >> you have to look at what laws, rules, regulation statutes are violated here. >> when did you learn that the denial wasn't true? >> well, let me tell you two things on that. i was on the case a couple of weeks, and there was a lot of information gathering and as rudy giuliani said, i had bad information at that point. in a situation like this, you have over time, facts develop. that's what investigations do. >> let's start with nbc's white house correspondent, kelly o'donnell who was covering the president in new jersey first. before we g to to to the rest o great panel this sunday. what are you hearing right now? the president is certainly going after the special counsel today, isn't he? >> reporter: well, good to be with you, richard, and the president is really hitting a number of his major frequent targets, the special counsel, the media and doing some venting it. our campaign was talking to people in north carolina and michigan. not in moscow. >> reporter: notable last night when the president was in ohio, he talked about meddling, saying, we have got to stop meddling in the election. he included russia. also said china, even north korea have been participating in that. so a bit of a change there with the president before one of his own supporter rally crowds to talk about that, but right back to the tweets alleging that somehow the mueller investigation is unfair and mishandled and that the media is somehow not telling the truth as the president sees it. a lot of anger and frustration coming through today. richard? >> all right, kelly. thank you so much. kelly o'donnell, our white house correspondent, running down a lot of what has happened so far this morning. the president's tweet appears to have been a response to this article in "the washington post" reporting that the president is at a precarious moment in his all last week of the trial of paul manafort, his former campaign chairman. he took issue with the coverage, he is angered by it, and he is upset that manafort, and the charges that he is facing in the courthouse in virginia this past week have to do with his previous business work. not with the trump campaign specifically, so the president is very rattled and bothered by that, and all of this is sort of conspireing in his mind to leave him agitated, nervous, anxious, frustrated, fearful and we're seeing this come out publicly in these tweets and these things he is making at his political rallies at the media. >> phillip, as you look at this increased stress for the president, he is brooding and how is he expressing that brooding privately as you were saying in your headline here, but roaring publicly? >> well, he is privately having conversations with associates as he always does. he is one who works the phones. he talks to people all day long. he like that is, and he is expressing a lot of anxiety and worry according to the people he has been talking to, who have told us at "the washington post" about those conversations. he is concerned, but the way it manifests itself publicly is in more of a roar. it's just these attack lines at the media, these tweet attacks at robert mueller. we measured the number of times he tweeted the word witch hunt and it's increased dramatically and that's because he is adopting a much more aggressive stance publicly against the special counsel. he has really devised a strategy to attack, to defeat, to tear down this russia investigation, in part, because rudy giuliani, his personal attorney has assured him privately he doesn't think mueller has anything. and one of the advisers we talked to, rudy has been telling trump that the other guy is bluffing with a pair of twos, and trump feels like he doesn't have much to lose, and he is out there attacking this investigation to try to discredit mueller as best he can. >> as you say in the article, you have 14 administration officials at least that you have spoken with. >> and other advisers. >> yes, included in this. phillip, the dynamic that might be part of this difficulty forum would be family, and you mentioned that early because it's don junior, and you add in his wife, melania who yesterday openly did say through a spokesperson that she necessarily in energy agreed with the president and his interface shall we say with lebron james. you have ivanka trump rekrntly describing how one of the low points for her was a separation of families on the southern border. so the family dynamic which he has always at least reportedly held so special, how important is this in terms of the intensity that he is feeling right now, and therefore the brooding? >> it's always important. the family dynamic always matters to the president. i don't know specifically, you know, whether the brooding over the russia stuff has anything to do with what ivanka and melania trump have been saying publicly in the last few days, but that's something trump surely has noticed. it generates headlines and it's not the kind of thing that's going to make him comfortable, but it's important to point out that the first lady has done this before through her spokeswoman. >> right. >> she has her own opinions and when she feels differently than her husband, she lets that be known. >> phillip rucker, always appreciate you being here, and a great reporting as you know. >> thank you. >> appreciate you giving us all the detail behind it. >> thank you. >> let's bring in our legal analyst, and national security analyst. the one tweet of the reaction to phillip rucker's article it appears to be, is the -- i guess, if you look in the time line, the one where he says and he is alluding to the meeting of his son, and i'll read from this tweet here. it says, fake news reporting a complete fabrication that i'm concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, donald, had in trump tower. this was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal done all the time in politics, and it went nowhere. i did not know about it. all right. so lots of points there. danny, is he admitting here to something that is conspireing, collusion? >> the statement is very concerning. i don't know if we can put it back up, but there are two significant sentences in that statement. the first is, this is a meeting to get information on an opponent. yes, that can be legal, but not when you are doing it with a foreign power under federal election campaign law. the last sentence is very significant. i did not know about it. why make that statement unless you're aware that the previous statement has some inculpatory effect? unless it incriminates you, why make that statement? and the other statement is what time are you talking about? did you not know about it that day and you found out about it the next day? or did you not know about it until yesterday? those statements will be parsed out for what they admit and then what they still leave open, but either way, they do contradict what trump jr. has said in the past in testimony, and that could be very problematic, and it could drive a wedge between trump sr. and trump jr. as potential -- i don't want to say suspects, but potential doers. >> frank, your thought here. this has been for those who have been critical of this administration, that word of collusion. the other, "c" word, conspire. how would you build on what danny said there? >> i'm beginning to think the president's attorney should just have a popup veranda warning on the twitter account. the miranda warning, anything you say can be held against you. he has conceded that he knew at some time -- at some time in chronology, he knew this meeting was not about adoption as he publicly had stated. as he publicly told us, and so he knows different now. when did that happen? what i find more interesting is he has chosen to say, to protect himself. i didn't know about this, but my son did, and the others who attended the meeting. they knew what it was, and then of course, everyone does it. well, no. everyone does not do it. it is a violation of federal election the campaign act if indeed you are soliciting, accepting or receiving and there are the conspiracy aspects that can be brought into this. this is trouble. his attorneys need to say, you need to stop as i'm sure has happened numerous times before. >> you might also ask, he is saying i did not know about it, and now he is saying through this statement he does know about it. it's not only the timing, but how did you find out about it, and who told him? previously it has been that don junior said he does not recall discussing this issue with the president. >> again, that last sentence quietly arguably admits more than the previous sentence that i did not know about it. there is going to be a temporal inquiry, a time inquiry. when did you learn about it, and adding that you did not know about it, are you admitting that you're at minimum aware that it was a wrong thing to do? whether you are aware of whether or not it was a violation of federal election law or trump jr. was aware it was a violation of federal election law, you're admitting that trump jr. was aware of it. he can certainly act as a answer as to what he perceived his son knowing and everyone else in the meeting knowing at the time, and critical in the next few days will be whether or not we'll get clarification. when did you learn about the meeting if you didn't know anything about it? >> as we know, there were many in this meeting. it wasn't only don junior. just some of the individuals joining attendance for the trump tower that we know about at the moment. these eight individuals and bob mueller now looking at this tweet. what does he do with it? >> it's significant. it has legal significance, and whether or not mueller ever sits down with trump, i think the significance of this tweet is kw squarely on don junior right now because we have not seen don junior interviewed yet by mueller, and we were wondering why that is. is mueller just saving an indictment up and is that what's coming up? has there been word given to the white house? are they increasingly concerned? is that what's generating this twitter traffic? is it all about don junior? is he facing a possible indictment? something is ratcheting up the president's anxiety, and particularly about don junior, and i think whatever that is is going to play out in the next week or so. >> yeah. one has to ask is this equivalent to the lester holt firing of james comey? i'm no legal expert, but some will ask that i'm sure in the coming days as we go forward. danny and frank, thank you both. we'll talk again soon on this topic. appreciate it. >> how the president's bound the react to the media's coverage of the tower meeting. we'll have that. s a place on earth ♪ uhp. i didn't believe it. again. ♪ ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth? 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>> reporter: richard, no. there is nothing here from the white house, but the idea of the shifting goal post that the president and his legal team have been introducing to this debate is notable and it's something that i think when you look at this, they say, collusion is not a crime, and meeting with political opponents is not a crime. they are trying to redo the rules of the debate. it has no impact necessarily on the legal battle although it does give mueller more fuel to the fire when he is looking at trump's tweets. but in the court of public opinion when the president goes out there and maligns the media who are clearly moving this story forward, you had phil rucker on before with the great piece talking about how the president is reacting behind the scenes and then mounting his public reaction to it in a very strong and forceful way traying -- trying to say, look. the media can't be trusted. i was in tampa earlier this week and i asked several people that i talked to there, hey. do you think the media are the enemy of the people? to a "t," they all told me yes. i asked why, and they said, they have an agenda and it's different from mine. the idea that facts are shifting and this group of people are willing to look at whatever the president says, and say, i give him the benefit of the doubt and the media are probably lying, fact facts be damned, that's notable when you try to shift the goal post on russia, collusion, and whatever mueller is investigating. >> the president in that very statement that we had on the screen there said, you know, the meeting was legal. that it's just normal in the world of politics, but the difference is in this case is that there is another detail, and that is you are talking about a representative of a foreign power. >> reporter: yeah. absolutely. i mean i think, you know, we have seen the narrative about this meeting shift over the last year, you know, first it was about adoptions. then, you know, it was definitely about adoptions, but donald trump didn't author the statement saying that, and then yes he did, and then he said, it wasn't about adoptions and then, you know, they're just feeding us these crumbs and saying no, it's something different. it leaves us all to wonder, the next thing is i didn't know about it, and we're left to wonder, you know, you're a micromanager. your chairman -- campaign chairman, son-in-law and son were in the room. did you not know about it? that's the next big question, and when someone comes out and says, i didn't know about it you wonder doth he protest too much? >> the question has been whether it is a defense here, the president is coming after, again, false news, calling it more than those who may have opinions. those who need to correct themselves, but going in the space of using very, very strong wordings, such as this, you know, enemy of the people. and today he took it even further on twitter saying that he could -- media could cause war, and are very dangerous and sick. so ali, you have been out there, and you have seen this. you have seen what the crowds have done in response to you sitting there and reporting. is the president trying to redirect here as he looks at the heat and this brooding that phillip rucker has co-authored in his piece? >> reporter: again, i think it all goes back to the court of public opinion because i have been on the campaign trail, and then obviously on the campaign trail with trump as president, and over the course of the past three years, the war against the media is not new. he uses it whenever he thinks he has been backed into a corner and and he says the messenger is not to the to be trusted. it makes sense for him to want to malign the media if he is in deep legal trouble, or his son is. of course, paul manafort is on trial, and this is the president's attempt to redirect, and the white house and the folks around the president is always said this is his direct line to the american people. >> right. >> reporter: it's his direct line the get his opinion out there unfiltered and they take it for whatever he says. when you go to these rallies, they are more than willing to believe whatever the president is saying because he is already invested in them, and put into them this sense that whatever the media is telling them, and they believe that. i asked, do you trust any news media? they said, well, fox, but sean hannity, and the guys during the day are losing me a little bit. fact checking is viewed badly. >> in news specifically, his aides are saying at least on this sunday, kellyanne conway, and john bolton, you're missing a detail. take a listen. >> i think the president's entire point is this. that we do have a news media that includes some reporters. it really refers to those who aren't always telling the truth, and who are giving emotion over information. >> i think the issue of press bias has been around for a long, long time. there is press bias. people, you know, people get stories wrong, and people are called out for it, and we should be called out if we make a mistake. this is taking it to a completely different level. >> that's the president's view based on the attacks that the media made on him. there have been other administrations that have been highly critical of the press as well. you can go back, i remember john kennel kennedy cutting off the white house scription -- >> it was "the harold tribune." but close. >> i was much younger then. what can i say? this adversary relationship is typical. >> is it typical? >> reporter: no. certainly not. i think what would be typical is if a white house believes that a story, a particular story in the media is incorrect, they will say, what is wrong. they don't say you're an enemy of the people. that's a different level. this is a deflection. you lash out and redirect when you are backed into a corn per. what's scary to me, is this has a lasting effect. next year, and the year after that, there are lingering effects to telling huge swaths of the american people that you cannot trust the media at all, and i think it's incredibly dangerous to democracy, and i don't think we have seen this play out. >> yeah. i have been speaking with high school students interested in journalism over the last month, and the response has been that very question. what is real news? what does it mean to be a journalist? i think those questions, we'll find out how they decide what the answer is in the coming years, but it's certainly bringing out that question to these new journalists potentially. thank you very much ali and pema. >> thanks. insulting the intelligence of lebron james, receiving backlash even with his own white house. that's next. this time, it's his turn. you have 4.3 minutes to yourself. this calls for a taste of cheesecake. philadelphia cheesecake cups. rich, creamy cheesecake with real strawberries. find them with the refrigerated desserts. welcome back. first lady melania trump may not be sharing the same view of the president's recent attacks against lebron james. her spokeswoman issued the first lady's response on the topic saying, looks like lebron james is working to do good things on behalf of our next generation. she would be open to visiting the school in akron that he is sponsoring. let's bring in our author of "sports of the times" blog. right before he goes to ohio, a very important district. this, the favorite son, lebron james, doing good stuff before he moves to los angeles, and he comes out and he says, indirectly and directly in so many ways, not a smart guy, and i don't like him. of course, lebron james not a fan of the president either. what are we missing in this? >> i think frankly in this case, s subtext is text. there is a racial component to this that seems to me, unavoidable. the president has consistently, frankly, gone after black critics as dumb, as not smart, and even within that has gone after sports stars, black sports stars like this, and it seems to me rather problematic and actually kind of interesting that the president perhaps recalibrating last night, you know, not mentioning -- not going after lebron in the same bay because of course, lebron is a secular saint in ohio even after his departure for l.a. it's also kind of striking frankly, that if you look at that cnn interview, it is largely this very kind of moving account of this, you know, this black man, son of a, you know, single mom. come out of extreme poverty who has given this extraordinary gift who his hometown, which is a public noncharter school for troubled kids. he has also given $41 million for college scholarships. he has given everybody bikes and helmets because for him, a bike is a symbol of freedom. in fact, he talks about not just the freedom to get out of his neighborhood, but he talks about explicitly, that gave him the opportunity to meet white kids and experience other cultures. you have this moving arc with frankly a kind of, you know, passing mention, not complimentary of trump. i mean, nothing like with what trump replied to in kind, but i find it astonishing that you would see this rather moving account and attack the man's intelligence. >> yeah. and then you also have melania trump which i mentioned who through her spokesperson, thereafter, at least an energy not in consistency with what the president is saying here, and one has to ask. as the family maybe moves the other way on their own and openly and independently, what does this mean going forward into the midterms? only relevant here because we're talking about a new season as the nfl also kicks off, and what the president might do moving forward and also what the players might do. >> right, and i think that's going to be particularly with the nfl, that's the great unanswered question. what do, again, largely black athletes because it has been the black athletes who have taken the lead in taking a knee and frankly in even just speaking out, what do they do with the nfl season? which as you say, is going to take place within this kind of cauldron of the political season. >> how do we watch the nonblack professional athletes and what have you seen? >> what's been frankly kind of striking is the extent to which white athletes have absented themselves from this discussion. there has been a few -- >> why? >> i think that's an interesting kind of sociological and cultural question. i think they tend -- >> it's a tough question i know. >> they tend, particularly in football, white athletes tend to be more politically conservative, probably more call the -- culturally conservative. in the nba, that's different. it's a culture of both black and white, sit will and it will be interesting to see. if you see people in the nba, steve kerr from the warriors and popovich from the san antonio spurs speaking out eloquently. there is no analogous experience within the nfl, and that will be really interesting as we go into the season. >> as the president has at times, at least conflated the very issues that he is expressing in these professional leagues and it is difficult no doubt for these players to be the definers of what somebody is saying when they just want to play a good game, right? >> yes. i think that's true. though, you know, if you are a teammate of colin kaepernick or any of these players, the other hand -- >> right. >> there are two things. one is you have seen them exiled, the leaders exiled from their games. so that's a, you know, a good message to keep your mouth shut. on the other hand, you would think as a teammate that perhaps you would be tempted to speak up and just say, you know, at the very least, these guys should not be exiled from the game. they should not have the president yelling the crowds to fire them. >> all right. thank you so much. appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. still ahead, what president trump's attorneys have to say about this stunning tweet. take a look at this, and how damaging it could be. year, i am sorry about that. 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and we have yet to see it. >> that's jay sekulow, on the trump tower meeting saying these specific words. trump said, quote, this was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal, and done all the time in politics. and it went nowhere. i did not know about it! let's bring in the former dnc chairman, and also the former vermont governor and msnbc political analyst here. governor, we were talking about this earlier with two of our legal analysts and you may have seen that and others this morning about those very words that the president did express today, and the question that has been put out there is does this then mean conspireing, and does -- and/or does it mean collusion? your thought? >> well, it certainly means collusion. the question is is it conspi conspireing? i'm not a lawyer. i will rely on bob mueller to give his verdict on this. i think it's incredibly interesting that the tv attorney that you had on with the quote earlier tweeted today that his previous statements were inoperative, and more or less he disseminated the information, gotten some wrong information, he didn't say from whom, and what he said last summer was not true. that is what ron ziegler said of president nixon, except he was not a lawyer. jay sekulow could be disbarred and a lot of these people working for trump will be disbarred if he keeps tweeting this stuff. he says there is no collusion, and now he is saying that's not a crime. i think bob mueller will have a different view of that. >> susan? >> on top of it, we always see donald trump's tweets as the investigations come out, and stories come out in the press he inches a little bit more to the truth. he can't get there 100% because he just never does. he refuses to, but this may be opening up the door for what we think could be another story coming out in the media. again, he believes in repetition, so he just keeps saying, i didn't know about it. i wasn't there which makes me think the more he does it, the more he knew about it and while he wasn't there, it was reported back to him. >> the question is, governor, why now? why might he have gone this far, and we don't know how far this far is yet legally, right? but why did he do this today? >> susan is absolutely right. trump passes when he gives when he has to give and he is in a corner. he was successful in the real estate industry sort of despite his bankruptcy because he could get away with this stuff, where people would just walk away. they won't walk away. this is the presidency of the united states. this is the most important elected official in the world, and people won't put one this crap, and slowly and slowly, mueller is just checkmating him one careful move by careful move, and trump is finding this is true when he was in the real estate issue. when he finds he is in an untenab untenable position, he has to give. he gives every single time, and i don't think he knows what game he is playing although he may have thought he did when he was elected. >> this is a different set of rules. and susan, supposed to be an 11-day vacation. also get him out in the field, right? get him out there to express and be with his base and feel comfortable and energized. yet the tone some have said so far today based on his statements so far this morning, that the president is not feeling so calm, not feeling so poised as this objective during the 11-day vacation, and its original intent at least was aimed at. >> no, he is not, and it's because of two things. one, i think we see that as again, media stories come out, the mueller team is getting closer and closer to concluding its investigation with or without mueller. i think it's interesting that rudy giuliani, and the other attorney for the president said we're still working on giving our final bit of advice. that was supposed to happen in april. they have been trying to drag this out. they know that looking at the date, they have about three weeks for this all -- for them to either give the interview or not, and i think the president is just stewing more and more and more, and that's when he is the most dangerous. so he goes out to a rally, he gets spun up by the crowd, and then he just keeps going, and, you know, he is at his golf resort, and it's a dangerous place for the president to be. >> you know, governor, as the president is out there, and he has made this statement, we'll put that back up again. basically admitting that there was this desire, this objective to get information on an opponent and that he now knows about it. we don't know who told him, when he was told and how he was told, right? is this the equivalent? put in context for us, of that lester holt meeting where the president admits in that interview why he fired james comey? >> this is probably worse. >> worse? >> i think it's worse, and the reason i think it's worse is because i think mueller already knows what the answer to this question is. i always predict this. i said this months ago on msnbc when the president's family is in jeopardy as don junior, and i think jared will be in shortly, that is when trump will get desperate, and he'll lash out and that is what will end this nightmare. the only people that can bring down president trump right now are the republicans, and at some point, that point is coming very quickly, the republicans will be in jeopardy because of what he does. they have had a lovely right, and they have appointed a lot of right wingers to the bench. sooner or later, they have to throw trump over the side if they want a party that will be viable for the next 50 years. >> susan quickly, your thought? worse or not? >> as far as i'm sorry -- >> as far as the lester holt interview. >> traiactually, i agree with t dwo governor. this is much worse because it puts his son in a position where he lied during a senate testimony. so it's a very dangerous place for don junior to be, and donald trump does have his back up against the wall, and unfortunately i think he is willing to sell -- put anyone under the bus to protect hid own neck. i also agree with the governor. republicans have to stand up. we are about to lose our party. we cannot go into 2020 having this -- having defended donald trump and this behavior. >> we'll see what the midterms tell you about that behavior. thank you so much, boeft ofmsnb contributor contributors. watergate changed the course, you may remember that. ahead, who will change robert muell mueller's course today? chantix, along with support, helps you quit smoking. it reduced my urge to smoke to the point that i could stop. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. some people had changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, or suicidal thoughts or actions with chantix. serious side effects may include seizures, new or worse heart or blood vessel problems, sleepwalking or allergic and skin reactions which can be life-threatening. stop chantix and get help right away if you have any of these. tell your healthcare provider if you've had depression or other mental health problems. decrease alcohol use while taking chantix. use caution when driving or operating machinery. the most common side effect is nausea. my favorite role so far? being a non-smoker. no question about it. talk to your doctor about chantix. no question about it. it's softer than ever. charmin ultra soft is softer than ever so it's harder to resist. okay, this is getting a little weird enjoy the go with charmin staying on the russia investigation and a new report from "time" magazine. a headline reads this, a lawyer changed the course of the watergate investigation. michael cohen could play a parallel role. it retraces the role of john dean, who was on the counter-investigation of the watergate probe and places parallels between then and what's unfolding now. joining me now is david kaiser, historian and author of that article. he also writes for historyunfolding.com, and he wrote the book "the road to dallas: the assassination of john f. kennedy." david, lay out the parallels you made in your article for us between john dean and michael cohen. >> certainly, richard. in both cases we have a laufr f -- lawyer for the president. john dean was a lawyer for richard nixon, michael cohen was a personal lawyer for donald trump. in both cases they came to the attention of the justice department, dean because of the role he had played in really orchestrating the watergate cover-up, as he subsequently admitted. michael cohen for reasons that aren't completely clear, but we do know the fbi raided his office. the key point is that both these men got legal advice of their own and decided it would be in their own interests to cooperate with the prosecutors. dean, as it turns out, had a lot of critical information about the cover-up and about the president's role in the cover-up, including conversations he had had with the president about that, and that was eventually confirmed by tapes. we don't know exactly what michael cohen has, but there is some reason to believe, actually, that he might have a lot of information about dealings with russia, and apparently his attorney has stated that michael cohen does know that president trump did know about the famous june 9th, 2016 meeting in trump tower in advance, which would be a significant fact. now, it's interesting comparing the two situations which differ in many ways. we learned about watergate because the democrats controlled congress. they set up a committee like the great sam irving, who we certainly could use right now, and all through the summer of 1973, they called witnesses including dean, and the country got intimately acquainted with the story and all the major players. since the republicans control congress at this point and have been 99% loyal to donald trump, we haven't had anything like that. but the facts of these two conspiracies, one conspiracy, one potential conspiracy, are coming out in the same way. it's interesting, they both start exactly the same way with the break-in of the democratic national committee. >> i want to bring in a little bit of sound here from a journalist that you've heard of before called bernstein known for help on uncovering the watergate scandal. just a little bit, right? let's hear what he said about the trump presidency and what we've seen so far and then i'll get your reaction. >> i think it's time to recognize that what we are watching in the trump presidency is worse than watergate. it's worse than watergate, as i say, because the system worked in watergate. the heroes of watergate were republicans who demanded that the president be held accountable, who demanded that he be transparent, who demanded what did the president know and when did he know it, and who conducted bipartisan investigation that led, in fact, to understanding and finding out what nixon had done. >> quickly here, david, 15 seconds. do you share that view? >> i do share that view, and even if the democrats get the house back so that they could, in certain circumstances, lead a resolution of impeachment, they won't have two-thirds majority in the senate, so it's hard to see how this president could be forced out of office at this time. >> david kaiser, historian, thank you, sir, for your time and have a good sunday. >> thank you, richard. i enjoyed it. in the next hour, the trump tweet that's set off quite a firestorm. it's the president against lebron james. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven and maintained it. oh! under seven? 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>> he says the meeting totally legal done all the time in politics but according to the e-mail that special counsel robert mueller has, this was a meeting to get information from the prosecutor of russia on hillary clin' hillary clinton's campaign. how is that legal? >> the question is how is it illegal? a meeting of that nature constitute a violation of the law? >> now critics have pounced on this, anna, suggesting that the president and his legal team are moving the goal posts despite calls for this investigation to wrap up by the president and his attorneys. we did get an indication last week that special counsel robert mueller is trying to zero in and get an interview with one of the key figures that was involved in that june 2016 meeting at trump tower. he's a russian pop star. his father is actually an oligarch with deep ties to putin. sources indicate that for more than a year now the special counsel is working to secure that interview. unclear if it actually does take place. it will be interesting to see how that wrinkle of this investigation plays out. >> boris sanchez, thank you. let's dig into this more now with cnn senior political analyst david gergen. i'm always glad to have you on our show. the reason jay said trump wasn't involved in drafting his son's statement is because he had bad information. is he basically saying his client, the president, wasn't even honest with him to begin with? >> there are so many things strange about this, anna. i think we start with a proposition that this goes back to the old truism from watergate. the cover-up is often much worse than what may have occurred, whatever crime may have occurred. in this case, the constant evolution, constant changing of evolution of this story coming know, came out to the podium when it was clear that there was a smoking gun and nixon lied all along. you know, he said all previous statements from the podium were inoperative. inoperative. you knew at that moment this presidency is done. i don't think donald trump is anywhere near that line. that's not what i'm trying to argue now. what i would say is this tower meeting achieved a significance far beyond what it first appeared to have. >> there are other mixed messages about the president and russia's election interference, just the heart of the issue and the heart of the investigation where it all began. the president still calling it a russia hoax. >> when he talks about the hoax, he is saying the fantasy, the campaign i manage for the successful part of the campaign was in cahoots with russians. >> i think what he's saying about it hoax is the idea that the russians directed and controlled his campaign or directed control his administration that there was some conspiracy or some violation of u.s. law in 2016. >> david, why hasn't the president been that specific if it's as simple as that? >>. >> i don't think it's true. the argument is not being made that russians somehow controlled his campaign. the argument is whether the russians attempted to influence it and whether the russians interfeared in the national security people have all now come out unanimously to say that they have. the president is impulsive and wants to be the bold one. he pushes this envelope. i don't think the lawyers take a second seat behind this in their -- they try to make the best statements they can given the -- given very odd and unusual circumstances. but to say the least. >> the security adviser, his counsellor, david, i want you to stay with me. i want to talk about attacks on journalists and what it is like to hold people in power accountable. stay with us. you're live in the cnn newsroom. feel the compulsion. new shine compulsion from maybelline new york. hydrating oil-in-lipstick. color so saturated. shine so irresistible. feel the compulsion. maybelline's new shine compulsion. only from maybelline new york. well, esurance makes it simple and affordable. in fact, drivers who switched from geico to esurance saved an average of $412. that's auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance. an allstate company. click or call. paying too much for insurance that isn't the right fit? 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what are we talking about here? i do think the president has a point that he is -- that a lot of his accomplishments are not making it through the country. he's not getting credit for a lot of that. because a lot of the coverage has been, you know, has been negative. and we all sort of try to weigh on what is right here. one of the reasons the president -- that coverage has been so negative is because of his antics, because of the lies. going back to that "washington post" study of his lies and misleading statements over 7 1/2 decades, the pace of that is doubled in the last few months. over what it was last year. so it's gotten worse. and, you know, i think that is, you know, that is very, very problematic. i will tell you that -- he can't get through the fog very well. what our best presidents, most memorable presidents have done is strike up a respectful relationship with the press. you're never going to get all positive press. that's just hopeless. you shouldn't get all positive press. you should be judges fairly. but if you go back and look at the presidents we remember teddy roosevelt and john kennedy and ron reagan, all of them had very, very positive relationships with the press. and they were respectful and that is possible to do. look, i work for reagan on the communications side. people say he's never going to get a fair break from the press because the press is too liberal. he is too conservative. they're always going to beat him up. that simply was not the case. reagan had a very, very good relationship. a democrat wrote a book about the press relationships with reagan and called it on bended knee. he was very angry and was angry that press wasn't tough enough. but reagan understood that truth matters. if you have a truthful respectful relationship, the presidency works better, the country works better and you're more successful at governance of this great country. >> i don't understand why you can't be convincing of your positions or your viewpoints by using facts to back up this position. david gergen, we're out of time. >> always good to you have. thank you so much. >> tears and hugs as a mother and wife of a u.s. veteran kissed her good-bye before being deported back to mexico. our guest joins us next on the cnn newsroom. 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>> well, certainly that was the justification. but prior administrations including the obama administration had given her extensions, deemed her low priority. this is the perfect case where both parties can come together and come up with a solution. they could have simply given her a further extension or a future administration would finally do the job of giving her residency. but what we saw is just a major blow to the military and it's major blow to our community as we're still sitting here suffering from this family being ripped apart. >> you tried to stop her deportation by introducing legislation in support of the family and other military spouses facing deportation. why where does your legislation stand? >> we filed a private bill. we also filed major legislation giving spouses of marine veterans and veterans in general that as grounds of country. it's no secret that congress is divided on immigration and has not moved. the real point of the bills and letters in bipartisan fashion were to put pressure on ice to simply give her extensions to be able to stay. and they chose under the zero tolerance policy to divide this country. literally split the family in half and it was just a really emotional scene this week as cameras circles the family, as they had to break apart and the younger daughter has to go back or is now back in mexico with the marine veteran father is still in poke county along with the eldest daughter. >> so why did they do that? why did they split up the two sisters? the one daughter going back to mexico with mom and then the older staying with the father? >> the older one is still in high school and is able to take care of herself after school. timo, the marine veteran husband works in the construction industry. so he's away for most of the day. it was a real practical matter that the younger daughter still being in grade school really needed to have an active parent around during the day. and so she ended up going back with alexandra to mexico to a country she knows neither the language flunltently or the cule well inform. it's going to be a tough situation for them. >> yeah, and, of course, i want to give the viewers the context that the father is a naturalized u.s. citizen. as you point out, he has served this country in the military. he is decorated war hero. and the couple's daughters are both american citizens as well. this story has really sparked strong reaction calling on the president to fix this. i know you have tried to appeal to the president by saying this is about supporting veterans. do you think the president will act on this issue because of that? >> you know, i'm not very helpful. we're going to keep trying. but if there is the perfect case of where this zero tolerance policy is failing american families, it's this case. this woman protected her family on the home front and protected freedoms abroad in combat and in iraq and in africa. if president trump says he wants to protect military families, this is a prime example where he can do so. >> real quick. federal judge just on friday upheld the order that doca must be restored. do you see this as wayne? >> absolutely. we can see august 23rd, the doca program continued and new applications can be entertained. the judge said they didn't submit anything resembling a legal assessment. that is saying they didn't give a good reason why they ended the doca program. it's like they submitted some note from their mom written in crayon, you know, they really didn't present anything professional to say why they need to end doca. it's a valid use of the executive power prioritize who is a low priority versus high priority. and then congress needs to make the final solution. >> which we know where thaendt ended up. it doesn't sound like there is any chance that's going to move at the moment. congressman soto, thank you for the time. keep us updated on that family's story. president trump promised to build a wall and he sent more military personnel for protection. martin savage did a ride along with border patrol agents and the national guards stationed at the border and found the military's role isn't what most people think. >> reporter: maybe you were expecting to see military trucks and troops on the border. they're not here. instead of hunting drug traffickers, he is tracking down a pickup truck's electrical problem. he's a mechanic in the motor pool. >> specialist duran is at the border. but instead of a rifle, he's got a welding torch. some national goord troops even served by cleaning the stalls at border patrol stables. >> until we can have a wall, we're guarding the wall with our military. >> you're not armed, correct? >> correct. none of the soldiers are on guardian support armed. >> xpit the claim we haven't used troops on the boerd patrol before, we have. they sent 6,000 soldiers to the border. in 2010, president obama sent 1200. but they were in full gear and armed. he needs two border protral agents to guard him. >> it is possible the public has the wrong impression of this mission. >> it's a support role. they may have ideas about prior missions that's not that anymore. >> yet, despite their diminished role, national guard troops are making a difference. the border patrol has more vehicles on patrol. >> omaha, it's going to be a great day. >> and thanks to the senior airman, border patrol agents on horses closing in on three suspects have an extra pair of eyes watching their back. as she and other guard members monitor dozens of remote cameras. for many guard members, this is the first time to really get a sense of what is going on at the border, the good and the bad. >> do you see it? >> yes, sir. >> reporter: do you? >> yes. >> reporter: it is busy? >> yes, extremely. >> reporter: so far according to the u.s. border patrol, the national guard facilitated more than 1200 arrests and the seizure of more than 1300 pounds of marijuana along the arizona border alone. >> we're looking at arizona and texas. >> reporter: sit ago long side the agent looking out from her lonely perch at the border, there is not a single soldier in site. people may have thought they would be patrolled and rifle officials the shoeld eastern riding along with you. that's not happening. that's not the way it was meant to happen. >> not at all. they're helping out the overall mission. and they're putting more of us out here on the border to secure the border. >> reporter: border agent dixon may not see the soldiers, but she's glad they're here. somewhere. >> that was our martin savage reporting. a year later, a hopeful sign -- >> unbelievable that a fire could destroy a whole subdivision. >> the quiet scenes of wreckage replaced by the sounds of power tools. why the recovery of those who lost everything in last year's tubs fire is giving hopes to victims of another deadly california fire. this school year, get a new iphone from t-mobile and keep your whole family connected. or keep tabs on them. he skipped orientation for the beach? 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[both laugh] so, we're good? what? oh, you still have prediabetes. big time. venezuelan president says he is alive and victorious after an pare apparent attempt on his life. it happened during a speech. several drones flew overhead. at least one detonated. he was unharmed. but seven members of the national guard were injured. venezuela's attorney general ordered an investigation into the apparent assassination attempt. and there is late word tonight that arrests have been made. he is blaming colombia for the attack. national security adviser john bolton says the u.s. government was not involved in any way and suggested it may have been staged. now this brings us to your weekend presidential brief. a segment we bring you every sunday night highlighting the pressing security information the president will need when he wakes up tomorrow. joining us now is cnn national security analyst and former national security council adviser sam vinegrad. she spent two years in the obama administration helping to prep for the president's daily brief. the president making a lot of accusations about this reported assassination attempt. where do you think it's headed. >> president said a shield of love protected him from this assassination attempt. i think you'd be hard pressed to find any madoro supporters. more than half of the population lives in poverty. hundreds have fled because of extreme shortages. he runs a virtual dictatorship. the administration sanctioned him and his regime three times because of their abuses of power and their corruption. and he likes to blame everybody else for what's wrong in venezuela. and in light of the attack, i think he's going to stay true to form, bring the usual suspects, the government of colombia, the political opposition in venezuela, even ex-patriots living in the united states. he wants to shift the blame from the transgressions and point the finger at someone else and silence the opposition. >> unlike venezuela, iran is an oil rich country. the economy is also struggling, has been for years. since president trump withdrew from the iran deal, we now know u.s. sanctions are set to go back into effect as soon as this week. what can we expect? >> when president trump withdrew from the deal, he initiated a two step process for reimposing sanctions. the first step will go into effect on tomorrow on things like iran's ability to purchase dollars, to engage in significant transactions of its own currency. then in november, the energy sector sanctions come back in. and iran's own economic mismanagement and the threat of sanctions really crippled the economy. it grew 12.5% when sanctions were lifted in 2016. it's plunged. the currency is really at an all time low. inflation is high. regime is really worried. energy revenue is going away. i think they'll protest the sanctions tomorrow verbally and with shows of force. but they still want to tell the world they don't deserve the energy sanctions in november. so they'll behave for now. sanctions enforcement is going to be really tough because most countries don't want to impose sanctions again and this he have to look at north korea and see that people are evading sanctions and getting away with it. >> you talk about north korea and iran looking what is happening in that situation, do you get a sense this maximum pressure campaign is wearing and they know that their patrons in china and russia will try to carry their weight on a global stage and push back against additional sanctions. china and russia are saying we should ease sanctions on north korea despite the fact that they are engaging in bad behavior. from kim's perspective it is kind of a wait and see game to see what happens with the efforts to lobby for sanctions relief while they gate revenue. right wing conspiracy group becoming a common sight at trump rallies. we found one common thread, a mistrust of the media, next. >> you say stuff that doesn't mean anything. >> conspiracy theorist. >> that is unfortunate. i woke up in memphis and told... 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