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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 04:15:00

We don t actually know what he did. but i think the more important thing when we look at this, th tax allegations are no straight tax fraud, a lot of people think that the trum organization had a legal fee they put on the tax return we reasonably, for three reasons, that that did not happen one, alvin bragg could v alleged it, and he didn t. secondly, the new york times i 2020 we got a trove of tax return information in that was w2s and payrol information and othe information that led us to believe that there was not a bright light payment to michae cohen. we don t see it coming up in his w2s. so, they don t file for the third thing, with the trump organization lawyers they have said that it wasn filed. it doesn t, in this case necessarily matter it was filed with the ta authority, the reason why, there s a books and record violation that they have, they show that they conspired on th books and records to disguis it as a tax payment.

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Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle 20240604 06:08:00

Trump tax case, alle weisselberg s case what stood out to you toda about the da s charges i think it is interesting that they are looking at a potential state tax charge i still have a lot of question about how that is going to b handled. we know that the legal fees, they claim they were legal fee when they were really th reimbursement to stormy daniels, so we see there that we ve got the books and records charge what i am sort of confused about, and it will b interesting, there was information that came out from bragging today was just very brag about what exactly thei tax crime is he does not say after he ver carefully details how michae cohen s payment was handled. he does not, cnn the trump organization filed the stuff o a tax return it. is very silent, and i am jus not clear that it ended up actually getting filed bragged did not go there, an joe tacopina as said it di not. he gave a statement the othe day saying that they were neve filed anywhere, they were neve filed with the

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 02:56:00

But they do have some real professionals there, wil actually be quite happy to enter into an agreement with the prosecution that say donald trump cannot take any o these documents home if we showed donald trum documents in preparation o testimony and consideration of evidence, we lawyers have to maintain possession of those documents. donald trump cannot have them. because they do not trus donald trump with thos documents than any more than anybody else would yeah, i would agree that. the credibility that the counsel has, which unfortunately the client doe not, much like at times michae cohen does not, because they are not controlled outside o the courtroom, and they do think that hurt the case and hurt themselves. so it is refreshing that you know you have a professional attorneys who have been around the block many times we ar going to make sure that this i done it correctly. unfortunately, if you ve learned both with michael cohe and the former president, yo can only do so much as

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Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle 20240604 03:10:00

Defenses this area that donald trump may have done this in th past as a pattern of avoidin things, but it was not necessarily to influence a election i think that that recording, air going to hear a number of, times and it is not going to b something that is music to donald trump s ears. suzanne, you covered th trump tax case, alle weisselberg s case what stood out to you toda about the da s charges i think it is interesting that they are looking at a potential state tax charge i still have a lot of question about how that is going to b handled. we know that the legal fees, they claim they were legal fee when they were really th reimbursement to stormy daniels, so we see there that we ve got the books and records charge what i am sort of confused about, and it will b interesting, there was information that came out from bragging today was just very brag about what exactly thei tax crime is he does not say after he ver carefully details how michae cohen s payment was handled. he doe

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 02:36:00

Prosecutors, he would go out o the sidewalk and you would b there with him, and michae cohen would then tell us in th public what he had told th grand jury which, i just want to say, is qualitatively different thing, it s a different thing michael cohen did not walk out on the sidewalk and threatened people but anyway, michael cohen wa used - it s also false okay, but that s how michae cohen was also used today in the courtroom. and the prosecutors said w have tried to clamp down that was the phrase used clampdown on our witnesses but there s only so much we ca do yes, and fair enough, and certainly, they did ask both o us to minimize any media appearances. but in my view, when somebody character and credibility is being attacked and persona accusations are being used donald trump called michae cohen a rat after he came to me, and dedicated the rest of hi life to telling truth th power. and it is called a rat befor he went to prison. that can be a death sentence

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