>> if he had found that then i think he would state it, yes. >> okay. he was under oath. the word think is really important there. because listen to mueller today. >> it would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no no court resolution of the actual charge. >> david, those two things are not consistent. >> those things entirely consistent. he is no way contra convenient veen was the attorney general said. >> so bill barr. >> the attorney general is on the record three occasions he was told by mr. mueller that the oc opinion was not the decisive factor as lawyers but for. >> with the olc david if he found things that were really bad he would have laid them out even if he didn't charge. >> he did. >> barr sawed says he would have done that mueller says today it would be unfair to accuse someone of a crime if i'm not charging. >> those two things you tell me how they're consistent. >> you are confusing two things. the second volume of report lays
those were mueller's last words today. yet there is at least one american who is still in denial. >> it's the greatest hoax probably in the history of our country. >> the witch hunt was a hoax. >> it was a hoax. it was a witch hunt. >> abbey phillips is outfront live outside the white house tonight. abby, the white house tonight, what is their thinking. >> well erin right now the white house, they have their eyes on the iward was, as president trump puts it impeachment. just in the minutes after mueller gave his statement today. sources were telling us that president was gearing up for a fight. his message to democrats who might be tempted to head to the impeachment side of this was basically bring it on. the you president views this as something that can be politically advantageous to him, something that can help him with his base. as a source put it the president believes the american people will view impeachment proceeding as a scam and another senior
department of justice but mueller has no interest in that fight. what he has an interest in is what he start the with today which is today we are losing sight of the important thing, the russians undermined our democracy and the president won't ac knowledge it much less do something about it. >> we're not -- >> and that is a central point that he wants but he was very clear on the second point. which is he was not able to indict the did the most fair thing which was to lay out the obstruction without saying that -- that he was charging him >> what it added up to. >> let me make one simple point. >> he left. >> choose. >> he left it for congress. >> choose your moisten you make mueller look like a saint yet this is the same mueller who said today that general barr is acting in good faith. sir are you really suggesting that if bafr perjured himself as you seem to imply that that's what mueller would do he would give -- because he is an institutionallist he would give barr cover you can't have it both ways. >> sir not having it both ways. i'm explaining why i think.
jared kushner, whose own voice was long a target of speculation. >> what does his voice sound like? >> my main business is real estate. >> reporter: jared found his voice. >> it's working and it's very exciting. >> reporter: but when robert mueller finally spoke, he spoke about not speaking again. >> now, i hope and expect this to be the only time that i will speak to you in this manner. >> reporter: am i the only one who thought robert mueller's voice would sound like ian mckellan! you shall not pass! >> reporter: did anybody else expect robert de niro's voice to come out of mueller's mouth? >> wait a second! >> reporter: after all, de niro played mueller. >> no collusion, no obstruction, so. ♪ don't stop me now >> reporter: not since monica lewinsky has everyone been talking so much about someone who wouldn't talk. >> her voice, just heard it. we haven't heard her voice. >> reporter: and even though mueller talked, he wouldn't
mueller was sending to you, a sitting member of congress? >> i think what is clear is that i think it's a fair inference from what we heard in that press conference that bob mueller was essentially referring impeachment to the united states congress. >> reporter: a steady stream of 2020 democratic candidates rapidly jumped in with reaction. senators cory booker and kir stkirsten gillibrand both previously stopped short of launching an impeachment inquiry. today, booker said congress had a legal and moral obligation to begin proceedings. gillibrand said in her statement, it's time. elizabeth warren, among the first of the candidates to call for impeachment proceedings, reiterated that call. >> these are impeachable offenses. >> your reaction to mueller today, sir? >> front-runner joe biden ignored questions from reporters about mueller's news conference. in a statement, he stopped short of calling for impeachment proceedings to begin, saying, quote, no one would relish what would certainly be a divisive
before congress? >> absolutely and it's not his call whether he has to testify or say anything else. his report does not just speak for itself. there are a lot of questions raised by the report itself that need answering. and there are interpretations of his report that he wrote that only he can answer. the idea that a report this consequential that took two years by a special prosecutor of such prominence is not accountable to the public and said all he is going to say and somehow zip it up is just not going to cut it. mr. mueller will testify. he will be compelled to testify. and he will be accountable to the american people. >> all right. congressman connolly, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> my pleasure, erin. thank you. >> and next robert mueller referring to evidence being used against coconspirators in the russia investigation. who is he talking about? plus he spent millions to push for trump's impeachment does the report help make the push.
said has to do with how mueller ended the press conference. i want to remind everyone about volume one. he did say there were multiple systemic efforts to interfere in our election. and that allegation deserves the attention of every american. that is how he chose to end that press statement. and this white house just, like, acts like that's not even said, that this is not a national security challenge, not just for 2016 but of course for 2020. >> david. >> listen, the administration is also putting out word that there is an alignment of view nas mueller and barr are close together. we need to deal with that issue because it's very railroad clear that mueller broke from barr today. and. >> yes. >> and barr said he cleared him there was no obstruction. i've decided there is no obstruction. and along comes mueller and says no we did not clear him and we are not clearing him because, you know -- he made it quite clear they broke on that major issue. he also through emphasis made it clear he takes the russian interference much more seriously than the white house does.
collusion. he just said there was insufficient to make a charge there. and then he just tossed the whole thing into congress's lap to figure out what to do with it. >> what do you say david on this issue? at best it appears barr is in misleading in the answer to grassley who specifically asked whether mueller would have made a chargeening decision if it weren't foshag the decision of olc. >> the viewers need to understand it's not a statement by the doj. it's a joint statement by the special counsel and do jochlt. >> well special counsel no longer works for the doj. >>en a the special counsel's he is office is being shutdown but the statement is made in mueller's name. you got to appreciate one thing. mr. mueller did not reach a prosecuteual determination relative to obstruction. he did reach it relative to conspiracy or collusion. but ocd opinion that prevents indictment of a sitting.
including what mr. mueller said just today, i think that's a much closer call. and irrespective of the political fallout one has an obligation to the constitution. so i think increasingly democrats are moving in that direction. and are willing to risk the political fallout if that's necessary. we're not there yet. but we're getting awfully close. >> so i'm trying to understand what happens here next with mueller. now you have the doj and the special counsel's office, you know, copping out and saying, you know, there is no daylight here. you know, the confusion in the water -- the blood in the water continues to swirl. mueller said today, though, that this is it. this is all he is going to say and go ahead and read my report sbigs is see page 33, say page 453. he says he is not answering anything else. do you still want him to testify
is a lot of questions about mueller and i sort of worry that we think he is giving as you eureka moment. and i think what he tried to do and you can criticize or not is to say look there is a process process issue next either criminal or political with impeachment. i'm not part of the process anymore. i'm the substance guy. i provided volume one. plenty of evidence about bad things russians did. volume two. plenty of evidence about obstruction of justice. and so i just think the democrats have to think carefully about how aggressive they want to get against mueller. maybe he should be the substance guy and everyone else has to be the process people. >> all right. faum thank you very much. the man made a name for himself calling for trump's impeachment putting hundreds of millions behind it. tom steyer with a new message for nancy pelosi he is my guest. plus the justice department insisting to difference between what bill barr and robert mueller said about charging a sitting president. but here are hear the words for yourself.