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passage and a more legitimate way for people to find asylum. tow; for people to find asylum. tony smith, what — for people to find asylum. tony smith, what you _ for people to find asylum. tony smith, what you say, _ for people to find asylum. tony smith, what you say, create i for people to find asylum. tony smith, what you say, create safe passage as a way of breaking the criminal business model and address the rhetoric which robinjenkins sees as incendiary and lacking in empathy? i sees as incendiary and lacking in emath ? ., ., ., empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we _ empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we have _ empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we have seen _ empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we have seen this - empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we have seen this week | empathy? i do agree some of the i rhetoric we have seen this week has been _ rhetoric we have seen this week has been unfortunate, i've worked in borders— been unfortunate, i've worked in borders and immigration all of my life and _ borders and immigration all of my life and worked in the home office for 30 _ life and worked in the home office for 30 years in this area, its politically— for 30 years in this area, its politically toxic and always has been — politically toxic and always has been we _ politically toxic and always has been. we need to be careful in our language _ been. we need to be careful in our language and how we debate the issues _ language and how we debate the issues because we are seeing increased _ issues because we are seeing increased polarity from both sides, as you'd _ increased polarity from both sides, as you'd expect, having worked in the border— as you'd expect, having worked in the border force for all of that time, — the border force for all of that time, i— the border force for all of that time, i think it's right we should decide _ time, i think it's right we should decide who gets to come to this country~ — decide who gets to come to this country. who should be invited through— country. who should be invited through legal rights, through visas etc. through legal rights, through visas etc the _

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through legal rights, through visas etc. the boats is really a very visible, — etc. the boats is really a very visible, i_ etc. the boats is really a very visible, i think, etc. the boats is really a very visible, ithink, a etc. the boats is really a very visible, i think, a very visible issue — visible, i think, a very visible issue for— visible, i think, a very visible issue for the british people because we have _ issue for the british people because we have always had illegal into this country. _ we have always had illegal into this country, that's been going on for a lon- country, that's been going on for a long time — country, that's been going on for a long time but it has been going on behind—the—scenes, people three lorries _ behind—the—scenes, people three lorries in — behind—the—scenes, people three lorries in border ports, we have been _ lorries in border ports, we have been apprehending them and dealing with them. but it's visible now, people — with them. but it's visible now, pebble are _ with them. but it's visible now, people are questioning why this is happening and why people are allowed to cross _ happening and why people are allowed to cross into our waters uninvited? and to _ to cross into our waters uninvited? and to stay? — to cross into our waters uninvited? and to stay? and if that's going to continue. — and to stay? and if that's going to continue, how long will this go on for and _ continue, how long will this go on for and how— continue, how long will this go on for and how many more will come and ithink— for and how many more will come and i think what— for and how many more will come and i think what people really want to see is— i think what people really want to see is what this government was elected — see is what this government was elected to— see is what this government was elected to do which was to take back control— elected to do which was to take back control over — elected to do which was to take back control over this. you could have a legal— control over this. you could have a legal right— control over this. you could have a legal right of some sort, they've talked _ legal right of some sort, they've talked about doing that but my worry is exactly _ talked about doing that but my worry is exactly how and where would that work, _ is exactly how and where would that work. if _ is exactly how and where would that work, if we're going to open up centres — work, if we're going to open up centres in — work, if we're going to open up centres in cali to process people, think— centres in cali to process people, think more — centres in cali to process people,

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