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passage and a more legitimate way for people to find asylum. tow; for people to find asylum. tony smith, what — for people to find asylum. tony smith, what you _ for people to find asylum. tony smith, what you say, _ for people to find asylum. tony smith, what you say, create i for people to find asylum. tony smith, what you say, create safe passage as a way of breaking the criminal business model and address the rhetoric which robinjenkins sees as incendiary and lacking in empathy? i sees as incendiary and lacking in emath ? ., ., ., empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we _ empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we have _ empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we have seen _ empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we have seen this - empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we have seen this week | empathy? i do agree some of the i rhetoric we have seen this week has been _ rhetoric we have seen this week has been unfortunate, i've worked in borders— been unfortunate, i've worked in borders and immigration all of my life and _ borders and immigration all of my life and worked in the home office for 30 _ life and worked in the home office for 30 years in this area, its politically— for 30 years in this area, its politically toxic and always has been — politically toxic and always has been we _ politically toxic and always has been. we need to be careful in our language _ been. we need to be careful in our language and how we debate the issues _ language and how we debate the issues because we are seeing increased _ issues because we are seeing increased polarity from both sides, as you'd _ increased polarity from both sides, as you'd expect, having worked in the border— as you'd expect, having worked in the border force for all of that time, — the border force for all of that time, i— the border force for all of that time, i think it's right we should decide _ time, i think it's right we should decide who gets to come to this country~ — decide who gets to come to this country. who should be invited through— country. who should be invited through legal rights, through visas etc. through legal rights, through visas etc the _
through legal rights, through visas etc. the boats is really a very visible, — etc. the boats is really a very visible, i_ etc. the boats is really a very visible, i think, etc. the boats is really a very visible, ithink, a etc. the boats is really a very visible, i think, a very visible issue — visible, i think, a very visible issue for— visible, i think, a very visible issue for the british people because we have _ issue for the british people because we have always had illegal into this country. _ we have always had illegal into this country, that's been going on for a lon- country, that's been going on for a long time — country, that's been going on for a long time but it has been going on behind—the—scenes, people three lorries _ behind—the—scenes, people three lorries in — behind—the—scenes, people three lorries in border ports, we have been _ lorries in border ports, we have been apprehending them and dealing with them. but it's visible now, people — with them. but it's visible now, pebble are _ with them. but it's visible now, people are questioning why this is happening and why people are allowed to cross _ happening and why people are allowed to cross into our waters uninvited? and to _ to cross into our waters uninvited? and to stay? — to cross into our waters uninvited? and to stay? and if that's going to continue. — and to stay? and if that's going to continue, how long will this go on for and _ continue, how long will this go on for and how— continue, how long will this go on for and how many more will come and ithink— for and how many more will come and i think what— for and how many more will come and i think what people really want to see is— i think what people really want to see is what this government was elected — see is what this government was elected to— see is what this government was elected to do which was to take back control— elected to do which was to take back control over — elected to do which was to take back control over this. you could have a legal— control over this. you could have a legal right— control over this. you could have a legal right of some sort, they've talked _ legal right of some sort, they've talked about doing that but my worry is exactly _ talked about doing that but my worry is exactly how and where would that work, _ is exactly how and where would that work. if _ is exactly how and where would that work, if we're going to open up centres — work, if we're going to open up centres in — work, if we're going to open up centres in cali to process people, think— centres in cali to process people, think more — centres in cali to process people,
relatively. and that's because peopie — relatively. and that's because people like you, so rightly, we don't _ people like you, so rightly, we don't need migrants to come and work _ don't need migrants to come and work it— don't need migrants to come and work it is— don't need migrants to come and work it is in— don't need migrants to come and work. it is in the benefit of the uk to bring _ work. it is in the benefit of the uk to bring in— work. it is in the benefit of the uk to bring in migrants lawfully. and as i to bring in migrants lawfully. and as i said. — to bring in migrants lawfully. and as i said, that figure is above 600.000 _ as i said, that figure is above 600,000 which in my experience is a record _ 600,000 which in my experience is a record number, i had never seen that in my— record number, i had never seen that in my time _ record number, i had never seen that in my time in— record number, i had never seen that in my time in a great many years. but the _ in my time in a great many years. but the counter to that sds point about _ but the counter to that sds point about illegal or i think the proper term, _ about illegal or i think the proper term, not— about illegal or i think the proper term, not to offend anyone, is irregular— term, not to offend anyone, is irregular migration, the people borders— irregular migration, the people borders without a passport and actually — borders without a passport and actually crossing a border... the argument — actually crossing a border... the argument for it they do that is because — argument for it they do that is because the global asylum system is setup, _ because the global asylum system is setup, you _ because the global asylum system is setup, you need to be in the country that you _ setup, you need to be in the country that you are — setup, you need to be in the country that you are seeking refuge in in order— that you are seeking refuge in in order to — that you are seeking refuge in in order to claim asylum. you cannot claim _ order to claim asylum. you cannot claim asylum in the uk for example you are _ claim asylum in the uk for example you are in _ claim asylum in the uk for example you are in france or another country but i _ you are in france or another country but i think— you are in france or another country but i think people are concerned
up up and down the country, yes, it has _ up and down the country, yes, it has up — up and down the country, yes, it has up and _ up and down the country, yes, it has. up and down the whole of the uk, every— has. up and down the whole of the uk, every high street, if you go to a barbershop and you see lots of photographs outside, and you see cash only. — photographs outside, and you see cash only, there is nobody in there, there _ cash only, there is nobody in there, there you _ cash only, there is nobody in there, there you go. — cash only, there is nobody in there, there you go, that is one of your barber— there you go, that is one of your barber shops. they turn over a fortune — barber shops. they turn over a fortune but they never have anyone in there _ fortune but they never have anyone in there. you can make your own conclusions — in there. you can make your own conclusions as why. but we do know sense _ conclusions as why. but we do know sense the _ conclusions as why. but we do know sense the boat crossings have increased, barber shops are opening various— increased, barber shops are opening various other ones. i know a salon owner— various other ones. i know a salon owner who— various other ones. i know a salon owner who had organised crime groups take over— owner who had organised crime groups take over her salon, force her out of her— take over her salon, force her out of her salon. _ take over her salon, force her out of her salon, home, because she lived _ of her salon, home, because she lived above — of her salon, home, because she lived above it and force her to sell it to them — lived above it and force her to sell it to them and then took the money back of— it to them and then took the money back of her~ — it to them and then took the money back of her. she is frightened to tell anyone. back of her. she is frightened to tellanyone. no back of her. she is frightened to tell anyone. no one will listen to our industry. i have written to the
priorities but clearly, rishi sunak and the conservatives have done intense focus group work and they see this as a big one, simon, don't they? see this as a big one, simon, don't the ? ., . ~' see this as a big one, simon, don't the ? ., ., ~ ., see this as a big one, simon, don't the? ., ., ~, see this as a big one, simon, don't the? ., .,~ ., ~, ., they? you talk to mps here on the south coast _ they? you talk to mps here on the south coast and _ they? you talk to mps here on the south coast and they _ they? you talk to mps here on the south coast and they say - they? you talk to mps here on the south coast and they say it - they? you talk to mps here on the south coast and they say it is - they? you talk to mps here on the south coast and they say it is a - south coast and they say it is a massive issue for constituents, the number one issue they are getting e—mails about but it's notjust on the south coast. many mps across the country will tell you actually they are getting it in the neck from their constituents about what are you doing about this? i think also it's very visible here, obviously in dover for you stand on the cliffs, you see the boats coming in and local people will stand appear on the cliffs and watch these boats on busy days being brought ashore and addresses some strong emotions but i think the fact you have all these people arriving and the backlog in the asylum system, the backlog in processing claims means around 50,000 people in hotels and that has
stop your sanctimonious outrage, shock, patricia is bang on, that is from john. please! how dare you?! whatever! ~ , . . ., ~ whatever! mrs patricia. i think we are hearing _ whatever! mrs patricia. i think we are hearing what _ whatever! mrs patricia. i think we are hearing what is _ whatever! mrs patricia. i think we are hearing what is happening. . are hearing what is happening. peopie — are hearing what is happening. people dare _ are hearing what is happening. people dare not _ are hearing what is happening. people dare not say _ are hearing what is happening. people dare not say what - are hearing what is happening. people dare not say what i - are hearing what is happening. | people dare not say what i said are hearing what is happening. - people dare not say what i said but really _ people dare not say what i said but really they— people dare not say what i said but really they agree _ people dare not say what i said but really they agree.— people dare not say what i said but really they agree. some do. what do ou auree, really they agree. some do. what do you agree. sidhu _ really they agree. some do. what do you agree, sidhu in _ really they agree. some do. what do you agree, sidhu in birmingham? . really they agree. some do. what do | you agree, sidhu in birmingham? we are you agree, sidhu in birmingham? 7 are not as a country addressing the root of the problem of illegal immigration. if somebody crossed the channel and came to the country you are also, you get a five or 4—star accommodation, you are accommodated in a hotel and at the end, you get citizenship. but countries which have good and proper immigration,
for example, the united arab emirates or qatar, they do not have these problems, they are rich. they do not have illegal immigration problems. the end of the country, illegally, you do not get a right to citizenship. —— if you enter the country illegally. so no one even tries to go there so we need to address the issue. there are so many illegal ways you can come to this country. asylum system is going... let me take that point. tommy smith, former head of uk border force, as there are so many legal ways that you can come to this country? yes. there are so many legal ways that you can come to this country? yes, i mean, you can come to this country? yes, i mean. none — you can come to this country? yes, i mean. none of _ you can come to this country? yes, i mean, none of it _ you can come to this country? yes, i mean, none of it is _ you can come to this country? yes, i mean, none of it is online, - you can come to this country? yes, i mean, none of it is online, you - you can come to this country? yes, i mean, none of it is online, you can l mean, none of it is online, you can look— mean, none of it is online, you can look it— mean, none of it is online, you can look it up— mean, none of it is online, you can look it up on— mean, none of it is online, you can look it up on your golf, depending what _ look it up on your golf, depending what it's— look it up on your golf, depending what it's for, whether you work your there _ what it's for, whether you work your there is— what it's for, whether you work your there is a _ what it's for, whether you work your there is a threshold to meet of a certain— there is a threshold to meet of a certain salary, qualifications but there _ certain salary, qualifications but there are — certain salary, qualifications but there are a _ certain salary, qualifications but there are a really good number of iegai— there are a really good number of legal rights to come in the thresholds have got quite low,
havejobs at people there. get them... we should have jobs at the moment. i people there. get them... we should havejobs at the moment. i will have jobs at the moment. i will brina have jobs at the moment. i will bring claire _ have jobs at the moment. i will bring claire in, _ have jobs at the moment. i will bring claire in, not _ have jobs at the moment. i will bring claire in, not her - have jobs at the moment. i will bring claire in, not her real- have jobs at the moment. i will bring claire in, not her real name. good morning. 24% of people coming to this country on the small boats from afghanistan and gordon brown today or yesterday said the way girls and women are being treated in afghanistan is a crime against humanity. my goodness! one can understand anyone wanting to come to this country for a better life, yeah? this country for a better life, eah? . , ~ this country for a better life, eah? , , ~ ., this country for a better life, eah? , , ~' . , ., , yeah? firstly, i think are some very renuine yeah? firstly, i think are some very genuine people _ yeah? firstly, i think are some very genuine people that _ yeah? firstly, i think are some very genuine people that need _ yeah? firstly, i think are some very genuine people that need our- yeah? firstly, i think are some very genuine people that need our helpl genuine people that need our help and keen— genuine people that need our help and keen to come across. absolutely, we need _ and keen to come across. absolutely, we need to— and keen to come across. absolutely, we need to open our arms to them but there _ we need to open our arms to them but there is— we need to open our arms to them but there is a _ we need to open our arms to them but there is a very— we need to open our arms to them but there is a very dark side to this. i work— there is a very dark side to this. i work in _ there is a very dark side to this. i work in the — there is a very dark side to this. i work in the hairdressing, barbering and beauty— work in the hairdressing, barbering and beauty sector, and it is becoming clear we are not regulated so if anyone goes and stands at the bottom _ so if anyone goes and stands at the bottom of— so if anyone goes and stands at the bottom of the high street and looks up bottom of the high street and looks up and _ bottom of the high street and looks up and down they will see barber shops— up and down they will see barber shops opening and there is very
am going to give you an example. when— am going to give you an example. wheni— am going to give you an example. when i was — am going to give you an example. when i was a child, my father was persecuted — when i was a child, my father was persecuted so he had to flee. he left us. — persecuted so he had to flee. he left us. me — persecuted so he had to flee. he left us, me at my grandmother and the rest _ left us, me at my grandmother and the rest of— left us, me at my grandmother and the rest of my family behind. he escaped — the rest of my family behind. he escaped to nigeria to protect his life. escaped to nigeria to protect his life and — escaped to nigeria to protect his life. and his friend who did not manage — life. and his friend who did not manage to escape got killed. at the end of— manage to escape got killed. at the end of the _ manage to escape got killed. at the end of the day, my father managed to -et end of the day, my father managed to get us _ end of the day, my father managed to get us out _ end of the day, my father managed to get us out of the country, we lived there _ get us out of the country, we lived there for— get us out of the country, we lived there for a — get us out of the country, we lived there for a period of four years with— there for a period of four years with my— there for a period of four years with my grandmother and the rest of my family _ with my grandmother and the rest of my family. the risk is great. for you not— my family. the risk is great. for you not to — my family. the risk is great. for you not to put your children, someone _ you not to put your children, someone to make a decision not to put the _ someone to make a decision not to put the children, the wife into danger~ — put the children, the wife into danger. that is why people escape and leave — danger. that is why people escape and leave their family behind. if the head — and leave their family behind. if the head of the family is killed,
still think not as high proportion. of those people do not have a right to be _ of those people do not have a right to be here — of those people do not have a right to be here and _ of those people do not have a right to be here. and to— of those people do not have a right to be here. and to use _ of those people do not have a right to be here. and to use our- of those people do not have a rightj to be here. and to use our services and to— to be here. and to use our services and to co-star_ to be here. and to use our services and to co—star government - to be here. and to use our services and to co—star government and - to be here. and to use our services and to co—star government and us, j and to co—star government and us, the taxpayers. _ and to co—star government and us, the taxpayers. a _ and to co—star government and us, the taxpayers, a lot _ and to co—star government and us, the taxpayers, a lot of— and to co—star government and us, the taxpayers, a lot of money- and to co—star government and us, the taxpayers, a lot of money to i the taxpayers, a lot of money to heip _ the taxpayers, a lot of money to heip them _ the taxpayers, a lot of money to help them and _ the taxpayers, a lot of money to help them. and as _ the taxpayers, a lot of money to help them. and as he _ the taxpayers, a lot of money to help them. and as he says, - the taxpayers, a lot of money to i help them. and as he says, people the taxpayers, a lot of money to - help them. and as he says, people in portland _ help them. and as he says, people in portland that — help them. and as he says, people in portland that cannot _ help them. and as he says, people in portland that cannot get _ help them. and as he says, people in portland that cannot get a _ help them. and as he says, people in portland that cannot get a gp - portland that cannot get a gp appointment. _ portland that cannot get a gp appointment, it's _ portland that cannot get a gp appointment, it's terrible. . portland that cannot get a gp appointment, it's terrible. there's issues about _ appointment, it's terrible. there's issues about the _ appointment, it's terrible. there's issues about the nhs _ appointment, it's terrible. there's issues about the nhs obviously. l issues about the nhs obviously. couple of texts to you, listening to the show, cannot believe that the lady collar said, she wants us to turn the boats back if their art deaths, the lack of compassion is unbelievable. cannot believe that i just hope that women say says another text. just hope that women say says anothertext. forgive just hope that women say says another text. forgive me for reading this but i know, you know, you are fine with it. i cannot believe what ijust fine with it. i cannot believe what i just heard fine with it. i cannot believe what ijust heard the woman say. we are a country built on immigration, where is our compassion, build a bigger table not a higher bowl, that is anonymous. and everyone says i agree with her, do not let the men. turn them away. another one, i agree with patricia from bodmin. and campbell,