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you grow up where i grow up and the sauce is bubbling on the back of the stove. you just got home from school and you grab that illegal rip of bread. you dunk it in the sauce. your mom yells at you. that's this moment right here. >> if people can't make it all the way -- and your restaurants are fancy. it's a high price point. >> a good price point. >> but they can try, michael, would you do us the honor? would you try it? the sauce. let's go. what makes a good sauce, whether it's yours or making it at home? >> the ingredients. buy the best. buy the best ingredients you can. it can only go so bad from there. >> yeah? >> mm-hmm. mm-hmm. >> you're in new york a lot, around some good italian food. >> i cook a lot of italian food. sauce is everything. >> i expect to see this in your cabinet. >> as some say, as the kids say, what is it giving? the sauce, is it giving fresh,