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and then the reaction to it afterwards. >> love to tell the story about meeting president biden because when you meet him, this guy is as sharp as a knife. >> martha: that says it all again from the biden campaign and the name of the ad is sharp, former deputy use director of state communications, at that in both with us, it's going to continue to get attention i always think that these kind of wawa pain tension campaign states -- stops are contrived and weird but this one was a bit odd what do you make of it? >> people love seeing the president and candidates go in getting fried food and pizza and ice cream and doughnuts i thought this was not hear or there he went obviously raising again the right loving to attack age and health and i'm in all of how well it has done whether it's hillary clinton or nancy