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death of his son or talking about the death of his uncle, who served in the military, it is kind of really bizarre when you start spinning yarn and talking about things like his house burning down. you know, trying to come i guess, relate to people who are suffering. it does the opposite. people don't feel like they are relating to him here but they feel like he is almost mocking them and making fun or belittling the real tragedy they have been through or the real horrors that they have been through. >> steve: ultimately command we have seen this with a lot of people. they tell a story that is untrue enough times, eventually they start believing it like that thing about amtrak, which has been debunked 150 times, but he still tells it. charlie, thank you very much. >> outliving the fact-checkers. >> steve: indeed. where is the pinocchio business

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