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even. can you take us inside the conversations? what was it like on a human level? >> to be honest, i had to pray to be present and see him as the young man that he is. really the same age as one of our younger sons who has obviously made some awful choices, you know, and it is important he be held accountable. by the same token, he also lost his freedom and probably ability to ever see his family or country again. the whole experience was sad but healing in the sense that he heard me, and i feel that i heard him. he did express quite a bit of remorse, to be honest. >> diane, elise jordan here. your empathy and your courage has just been incredible and is so inspiring. you know, the book, i'm so excited to read, but how much in